[00:06] <ahoneybun> well that did not go well
[00:06] <ahoneybun> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-unity-8-desktop-progress-video
[00:06] <ahoneybun> following that gave me a black screen
[02:32] <bregma> ahoneybun, I would not recommend adding the stable phone overlay PPA to any kind of desktop; it isn't supported and hasn't been tested
[02:32] <ahoneybun> bregma it was a fresh install on a testing system so no worries
[02:32] <ahoneybun> I'll just format it
[02:33] <bregma> is your black screen after logging in to Unity 8 or before?
[02:33] <ahoneybun> before I never got lightdm
[02:33] <bregma> that would have nothing do do with Unity 8 or the stable phone overlay, then
[02:33] <ahoneybun> startx would bring a wallpaper with a X curser
[02:33] <ahoneybun> it was find before
[02:33] <ahoneybun> *fine
[02:34] <ahoneybun> mm maybe should have upgraded, rebooted then added the ppa
[02:34] <ahoneybun> oh wall
[02:34] <ahoneybun> *well
[02:34] <bregma> just don't add the PPA, it may contain an incompatible version of the X server or lightdm perhaps
[02:35] <ahoneybun> yea I could fix it by removing it
[02:35] <bregma> the way Unity 8 works on the desktop is LightDM comes up on X exactly the same way it does for Unity 7 (or any other variant), but if you choose Unity 8 as your session, it will stop X and start Mir
[02:36] <ahoneybun> yea I thought so
[02:36] <bregma> so there should be nothing special and no difference until you select Unity 8 at the LightDM prompy and then log in
[02:37] <bregma> *prompt
[03:57] <Ahmad> Im new here
[03:58] <Ahmad> anyone here using A7000+ ?
[06:47] <arioBarzan> nexus 4 is the only phone fully supporting convergence, because neither BQ nor Meizu support HDMI-out on their phones, right? (set aside Aquaris M10 by BQ which is not a tablet)
[06:48] <arioBarzan> *I meant M10 tablet which is not a phone
[07:13] <saavento> hi
[10:33] <arioBarzan> Is it possible to install qemu on my ubuntu-touch phone/tablet?
[10:36] <popey> arioBarzan: if you make the device rw, sure.
[10:36] <popey> wonder how badly qemu running x86 code would run on an armhf device :)
[10:37] <arioBarzan> I'm not sure if qemu requires X server? In that case I was thinking one way perhaps would be to install libertine and xmir, in order to get qemu running
[10:38] <arioBarzan> anybody knows whether qemu runs on mir itself, or I should use xmir instead?
[10:43] <popey> qemu has a headless mode
[10:43] <popey> what is the goal? what do you want to run in qemu?
[10:43] <popey> (It will run badly)
[10:47] <arioBarzan> debian-xfce4
[10:49] <popey> more efficient to run in a chroot IMO
[11:00] <arioBarzan> Does ssh X forwarding works on ubuntu-touch?
[11:02] <arioBarzan> to be more specific, could a client on ubuntu-touch do ssh -X to a server like a headless-qemu?
[11:16] <popey> we don't have x so that wont work arioBarzan
[11:22] <arioBarzan> popey: even within a libertine-container ?
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> arioBarzan: whats your endgoal with all this exactly?
[11:25] <popey> arioBarzan: no, i mean on the phone default image (ouside any containers)
[11:28] <arioBarzan> lotuspsychje: I needed to know if one could run qt-creator on ubuntu-touch device itself.
[11:28] <arioBarzan> lotuspsychje: I thought since ut is currently restricts users to click packages (which are mir-compatible), one solution would be to run another instance of ubuntu in a headless-qemu on the touch device.
[11:30] <ahoneybun> yay camera rotation is fixed
[11:30] <arioBarzan> it would have been nice though, if one could run ubuntu SDK on ubuntu-touch.
[11:32] <popey> pretty sure the sdk guys have demo'ed running the sdk on the tablet
[11:32] <popey> zbenjamin: ^ ?
[11:33] <ahoneybun> I saw a picture of that somewhere podbay
[11:33] <ahoneybun> popey
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> arioBarzan: perhaps unity8 on a windows based tablet can get you more solutions
[12:03] <zbenjamin> popey: yes, bzoltan had some version running on it
[12:58] <mterry> tedg, I'm testing your polkit fix to see if it makes that bug in the wizard go away
[12:58] <mterry> thanks for the quick fix!
[12:59] <pmcgowan> mterry, tedg we are discussing reverting the addition of that package since it doesn't seem it was intended for the phone images ?
[12:59] <pmcgowan> and there are other issues
[12:59] <pmcgowan> alecu, ^
[13:00] <mterry> pmcgowan, if there wasn't an urgent reason to add it in the first place, holding it off until we fix regressions makes sense
[13:00] <pmcgowan> mterry, no one is quite sure why it landed
[13:19] <tedg> mterry: Thanks!
[13:20] <tedg> pmcgowan: The reason was because we figured it was going to be needed for multi-user eventually and it was kinda a no-op. But it's turning into something other than a no-op.
[13:20] <pmcgowan> tedg, fair enough, so lets defer it so we can shake it out
[13:21] <tedg> pmcgowan: +1
[13:21] <pmcgowan> tedg, can you make a silo to revert it?
[13:22] <tedg> Probably too late for this OTA, but we should land something that produces a recoverable error on PK request. It's really weird that we have some many.
[13:22] <tedg> so many
[13:22] <tedg> pmcgowan: Actually, I can't, sil2100 controls the seeds.
[13:22] <sil2100> What's up?
[13:22] <tedg> sil2100: We'd like to unseed policykit-unity8
[13:23] <tedg> sil2100: It's causing a bunch of unexpected issues and isn't needed for this OTA
[13:23] <sil2100> hm, ok, for this OTA still?
[13:23] <sil2100> Ouch
[13:23] <sil2100> On it then
[13:23] <tedg> sil2100: Thank you!
[13:23] <tedg> Saviq: Can you translate the prompt text in those screenshots?
[13:24] <mterry> tedg, hrm the fix didn't fix the wizard issue
[13:25] <tedg> mterry: Bummer, so perhaps fallback doesn't work as expected.
[13:25] <tedg> mterry: Is there an error in the USS log?
[13:25] <mterry> tedg, yeah maybe it's not so dynamic as we hoped
[13:26] <mterry> tedg, no just the same error in unity8.log during the wizard bit
[13:26] <tedg> Oh, wait, they're from mzanetti. Sorry Saviq
[13:26] <tedg> mzanetti: Can you translate the text in the screenshots on bug 1580086 please?
[13:27] <tedg> mterry: That's not helpful :-/
[13:27] <mterry> tedg, yeah just needs more investigation
[13:28] <mterry> tedg, but probs not worth it right this second if we are dropping the package for now
[13:28] <tedg> mterry: Now that we're not targetting this OTA, do you want to go the seeding the PW route?
[13:28] <mterry> tedg, sorry what?
[13:28] <tedg> mterry: Where USS would send it to the agent.
[13:28] <mterry> tedg, oh via an api to the agent?
[13:29] <mterry> tedg, right that would let us drop the custom agent so I'm on board
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, they're asking about "changing your private data"
[13:30] <Saviq> tedg, rather ↑
[13:30] <mterry> tedg, so I guess the idea is that there's some API that we can say to the agent "if this provided password is correct, cache admin auth for this user for the usual timeout" -- right?  Is there a good way to pass password info over dbus or do we need another transport?
[13:30] <Saviq> tedg, bug #1512002
[13:30] <tedg> Saviq: Ah, that doesnt' tell us much about who's doing it.
[13:31] <seb128> usually indicator-messages
[13:31] <seb128> but on touch could be more things syncing things to a-s
[13:31] <seb128> mterry added a bunch of those
[13:31] <seb128> like ringtones, maybe sound settings
[13:31] <Saviq> tedg, in any case, do we need policykit-unity8 on the phone today?
[13:32] <mterry> Saviq, no the short term plan is dropping it
[13:32] <tedg> I bet it was listening to music, and the current track. That's explain the "every 5 minutes"
[13:32] <Saviq> mterry, ack
[13:34] <tedg> seb128: So can we put that in vivid?
[13:34] <seb128> tedg, you do whatever you want with vivid
[13:34] <tedg> Guessing the phone hacked login isn't setting it as the active session for some reason.
[13:34] <seb128> from my perspective that's an unsupported non existant serie :p
[13:35] <tedg> seb128: ;-)
[13:35] <tedg> seb128: If you believed that vivid still exists, would you think it was wise to put it in vivid? ;-)
[13:35] <seb128> tedg, yes, we landed those changes in xenial
[13:36] <seb128> what is good enough for a LTS should be fine for weirdos as well ;-)
[13:41] <tedg> mterry: Thinking about this, we're just talking about password mode, right? That's just the UI being shown. Not sure we need to make that a PK verification.
[13:41] <tedg> mterry: Especially if we're allowing changing the other AS data.
[13:42] <mterry> tedg, well it's covered under the rubric of the "change own user data" pk auth
[13:42] <mterry> tedg, I think it's reasonable to require pk auth, but I could be convinced it's overblown
[13:43] <tedg> mterry: So with bug 1512002 it changes that for change own user data.
[13:44] <tedg> It's seeming like if we landed that patch we'd fix all the issues :-)
[13:46] <mterry> tedg, I'm a little confused by that bug -- did they just change all perms for change-own-user-data to "yes"?
[13:47] <tedg> mterry: As long as you're authenticated as that user, yes.
[13:48] <tedg> mterry: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/257080357/accountsservice_0.6.40-2ubuntu10_0.6.40-2ubuntu11.diff.gz
[13:48] <mterry> tedg, interesting yup...  yeah that might fix it.  Let me test that patch
[13:53] <seb128> mterry, yes, we did
[13:53] <mterry> seb128, yeah figured it out eventually.  :)  just the two patches in the bug confused me
[13:53] <seb128> mterry, I discussed that with robert_ancell in Prague and that seemed to make sense, no reason to require an active session, that acl doesn't control sensitive datas
[13:54] <seb128> mterry, right, I did a first upload that allowed unactive sessions and then we went to allow non registered sessions as well (e.g vnc, ssh, etc)
[14:29] <mterry> tedg, seb128: confirmed that backporting the AS allow_any patch fixes the issue with wizard and polkit-u8.  And presumably means we can drop the custom agent in USS completely
[14:30] <tedg> mterry: \o/
[14:30] <seb128> mterry, tedg, what is the agent for in uss?
[14:30] <seb128> mterry, tedg, the change-own-data doesn't cover passwords
[14:30] <tedg> seb128: Handling specifically that issue :-)
[14:30] <seb128> just user icon, etc
[14:30] <tedg> In this case it was password display as keypad or keyboard
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  The custom agent specifically was for changing user password mode (not password itself) before we had an agent
[14:31] <seb128> that's the hint?
[14:31] <mterry> seb128, yeah.  display hint
[14:31] <seb128> hint is under the same permission indeed
[14:31] <seb128> great
[14:33] <tedg> seb128: Could you copy accounts service into silo 57 then please?
[14:34] <tedg> seb128: Link: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-057
[14:34] <seb128> tedg, copy being a dput? sorry I didn't use silos for a while...
[14:34] <tedg> seb128: I don't know, I just asked kenvandine to do it, I don't know what he did :-)
[14:35] <seb128> good, if kenvandine does it that's even better!
[14:35] <kenvandine> seb128, i used copy-package
[14:35] <kenvandine> from the xenial archive to the ppa
[14:35] <seb128> vivid has 0.6.37-1ubuntu10
[14:35] <seb128> which ppa?
[14:35] <kenvandine> landing-057
[14:35] <seb128> xenial has 0.6.40
[14:35] <kenvandine> we deleted it
[14:35] <seb128> you guys want the full version upgrade?
[14:35] <kenvandine> oh
[14:36] <kenvandine> talking about somethign else
[14:36] <kenvandine> i copied whoopsie for tedg
[14:36] <seb128> k
[14:36] <seb128> well, I'm unsure we want to "copy" accountsservice
[14:36] <seb128> they are not the same versions
[14:36] <seb128> you guys probably want to backport the patch for that specific issue
[14:36] <kenvandine> updating that would require lots of testing
[14:37] <tedg> Ah, okay. How do we do a patch? dput?
[14:37] <seb128> I guess
[14:43] <faenil> do you guys have any info about coloured emojis?
[14:43] <faenil> like, what are we missing, what are we waiting for, etc?
[14:50] <JanC> what type(s) of coloured emoji will UT support?
[14:55] <sil2100> pitti: hello!
[14:56] <sil2100> Ah, forgot, pitti is away today
[14:57] <sil2100> seb128: hey! You seem to have more experience with LP translations :) I'm wondering, recently pay-ui/pay-service got enabled for translations but I don't see it in the 15.04 translations
[14:57] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/pay-service/use-langpacks/+merge/291422 <- this was the merge
[14:57] <sil2100> And, for instance, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+lang/es shows no pay-service or pay-ui
[14:57] <sil2100> (exports don't have those as well)
[14:57] <sil2100> seb128: do you know if there was some step missing?
[15:07] <seb128> sil2100, on first upload the template needs to be approved, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/pay-service/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[15:07] <seb128> I just did that
[15:08] <sil2100> Oh my
[15:08] <seb128> it should get imported in a bit
[15:08] <sil2100> seb128: thanks!
[15:08] <seb128> yw
[15:08] <sil2100> rvr: ^
[15:09] <rvr> \o/
[15:09] <seb128> done
[15:09] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/pay-service
[15:09] <seb128> enjoy the translating
[15:09] <rvr> Hmm
[15:09] <rvr> Let's hope that fixes the problem
[15:09] <seb128> somebody should probably email the translators list telling them about the new domain
[15:09] <rvr> pay-service != pay-ui
[15:10] <seb128> rvr, well, look if the strings you see untranslated are listed there?
[15:10] <rvr> seb128: Yes
[15:11] <rvr> seb128: "Add credit/debit card" is in pay-service
[15:11] <sil2100> rvr: are those translated on LP at least?
[15:11] <sil2100> Or do we need emergency translator help?
[15:11] <rvr> Nope
[15:12] <rvr> The project has translations
[15:12] <rvr> https://translations.launchpad.net/pay-service/15.10/+pots/pay-service/es/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=add+credit
[15:13] <rvr> There are a couple of new strings missing though
[15:13] <seb128> right, seems those strings are mostly know/had translations
[15:13] <rvr> Buy now and Allow requesting in-app purchases?
[15:13] <seb128> right, those aren't translated in french either
[15:14] <rvr> Do you know how projects are listed in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+ ?
[15:15] <rvr> Are they manually picked?
[15:33] <sil2100> rvr: anyway, are we good enough with the pay-service translations right now? Are those good on your language? Asking since I could then request an export for a translation re-spin
[15:53] <seb128> rvr, I don't know but dpm probably does
[15:54] <rvr> sil2100: I translated to Spanish
[15:54] <rvr> sil2100: the two missing strings
[15:54] <rvr> sil2100: Those two will be missing for other languages
[15:55] <rvr> But haven't heard of in app purchases yet, so the impact may be small
[15:55] <rvr> What I'm worried about is the domain, as pay-service is not pay-ui
[15:55] <dpm> rvr, seb128, they are put there if their package generates a .pot template, IIRC it's the same as for the main distro
[15:55] <rvr> Hope the developers got it right
[15:56] <seb128> k
[15:56] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[15:59] <seb128> tedg, Saviq, it was mentioned on the bug that part of the polkit prompt issue is that unity8/touch doesn't have a proper logind session, if that's true do we have a bug about that? and if not can we get one? ;-)
[16:01]  * Saviq not sure why we wouldn't have a "proper logind session", mterry do you?
[16:11] <sil2100> rvr: I'll request an export so we can check everything
[16:25] <arioBarzan> of the images listed in following link, which one I should download for testing ubuntu-touch? preinstalled-system(112MB) or preinstalled-touch(494MB)?
[16:25] <arioBarzan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:25] <popey> i wouldn't test any of those
[16:29] <arioBarzan> I guess you think I should "apt-get ubuntu-emulator" , right? or perhaps the sdk has emulator kit?
[16:31] <arioBarzan> what's the deal with "yakkety-preinstalled-touch-i386.custom.tar.gz"(27MB)? what "custom" stands for?
[16:31] <dobey> rvr: pay-ui is part of pay-service now
[17:03] <arioBarzan> popey: why not any of those?
[17:04] <popey> arioBarzan: because that's yakkety, the phone is currently vivid based, and will (I think) move to xenial soon.
[17:05] <arioBarzan> so this would be better?
[17:05] <arioBarzan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/vivid/daily-preinstalled/current/
[17:06] <arioBarzan> then which one of them I should use? "vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz" for running on a arhmf virtual machine?
[17:08] <popey> I don't know about those images.
[17:08] <arioBarzan> do you use any other solution like the official ubuntu-emulator ?
[17:10] <popey> personally, no
[17:11] <popey> the emulator is too slow to be usable on armhf
[17:24] <mterry> Saviq, seb128: sorry was out for lunch.  We *should* have a proper logind session.  Last time I looked at it, we did.  What we don't have is a cached user authentication, since lightdm autologs the user in.  Which might be part of the polkit problem.  Or maybe we lost the status of "proper logind session" along the way and we didn't notice.  But I think other things would be broken if that were true
[17:25] <seb128> mterry, Saviq, k, maybe that statement was wrong and the issue is just when the phone is locked and the session inactive
[17:46] <rvr> dobey: Ack
[18:16] <mariogrip> why cannot i install framework-15.04.5 in the sdk?? the dropdown has only 15.04 (and down from that)
[19:12] <jgdx> awe_, hey, you know if nm1.2 changes anything for hotspot on mako? Or does the problem lie elsewhere?
[19:13] <awe_> nope; I guess we need to add that to our asana backlog; hasn't really been on anyone's radar
[20:02] <tedg> Saviq: The UAL change makes U8 not crash, but the media player says it can't connect to its backend. Is that normal?
[20:02] <tedg> Saviq: I think the bug is fixed... but want to make sure.
[20:34] <Saviq> tedg, "to its backend"? - lemme test the silo
[20:36] <tedg> Saviq: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1401
[20:36] <tedg> It definitely doesn't crash U8 anymore. :-)
[20:40] <Saviq> tedg, yeah all works fine here
[20:41] <tedg> Saviq: Cool, wonder what's up with my N4 :-/
[22:18] <RippyD1ppy> hey guys, how is ubuntu with the surface pro 3
[22:24] <RippyD1ppy> obviously not that great