[04:54] good morning [04:59] Morning magespawn [04:59] How goes ? [05:06] Good Morning! [05:06] Lo pavlushka [05:07] howdy mazal ! [05:11] mornings all [05:13] Morning anton_may [05:20] good and you mazal? [05:22] Busy but ok thanx magespawn [05:31] hi pavlushka anton_may [05:32] Hi magespawn , how are you? [05:32] all good, nice sunny day, and you/ [05:32] ? [05:34] can anybody help me with how to file a test case on this http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/361/builds/117794/testcases/1681/results ? [05:35] magespawn: I good as well, ! [05:35] magespawn: thanks! [05:38] pavlushka: have you completed your test? [05:39] magespawn: on going but already revealed the issues [05:39] do you have an account on launchpad? [05:40] magespawn: if you just can confirm me which one to fill, critical bugs or just bugs for this case? [05:40] magespawn: yes, I have account in LP. [05:40] Hello Cryterion ! Morning! [05:41] Morning [05:41] then you login, after login there is a place at the bottom to file the test results [05:42] magespawn: what's wrong with the given link? [05:43] Morning everyone [05:43] nothing that i can see, that is just the results page, to be able to submit you have to login on the right hand side [05:43] hi Cryterion paddatrapper [05:45] magespawn: I was already logged in while I asked, :) [05:46] strange, when i log in the page changes, with the test report form is at the bottom of the page [05:51] magespawn: that's what I was asking about but figured already, thanks! [05:52] ahh right, sorted then? [05:55] Cryterion: how are you? [05:55] your router issue solved? [06:03] morning all [06:04] International internet _still_ down at office :( [06:06] hello theblazehen ! [06:06] hey pavlushka [06:06] theblazehen: Morning, How are you? [06:06] pavlushka: I'm alright and you? [06:07] theblazehen: I am alright, thanks! [06:09] morning peoples [06:11] hi thatgraemeguy [06:20] Anyone here have issues reaching international sites? for example theblazehen.com, mirrors.theblazehen.com, en.wikipedia.org, archlinux.org [06:21] nope, all working for me [06:22] http://pastebin.com/UANky9Sn <- traceroute [06:22] http://pastebin.com/raw/nRgVfH1x Strange, I can also reach international from home [06:23] Currently using a ssh socks proxy to home, but no one in the office here has access to international internet.. [06:23] adsl? [06:24] Yeah, adsl I think [06:24] Let me see if I can do some kind of traceroute with tcp maybe.. [06:24] probably isp issue [06:25] Yeah [06:25] my adsl dead, can't test with that :-/ [06:25] theblazehen: I had that issue last night. Imporved after a while though [06:25] "All Traffic will go over Wireless by Default. [06:25] High Priority Traffic will go over ADSL." in our wiki. Not sure if icmp is classed as high priority [06:25] pavlushka: Hmm, okay [06:25] are you not the network admin? [06:26] paddatrapper: Before this I was getting ~60% packet loss, which gradually increased to 100 [06:26] thatgraemeguy: Nah not me myself. I mostly work on other things [06:27] ah, best you speak to the network admin then, sounds like they are doing weird stuff, nobody here is going to get close to being able to help [06:27] used to work at a place that was forever trying to micromanage traffic over multiple ISPs, it was always a mess [06:28] thatgraemeguy: Yeah. Last hop in the traceroute is ~190 ms away, thought it's possible that it could be more than just our isp [06:28] thatgraemeguy: I'm thinking we might be doing VOIP and SSH over the ADSL, with http etc over wireless [06:41] theblazehen: would the traffic be seperated by port? like 22 for ssh [06:42] magespawn: I'm seeing now, it looks like everything goes over our new fiber line, so will call tem [06:42] theM8 [06:42] them* [06:42] hey Kilos [06:42] ahh right, so likely an isp problem [06:43] good morning Kilos [06:47] hi magespawn theblazehen inetpro anton_may thatgraemeguy paddatrapper and other lurkers [06:47] More oom [06:47] hi mazal [06:48] morning [06:51] sjoe [06:51] you got fibre magespawn ? [06:52] no not me, not yet anyway [07:17] Morning [07:23] lo Kilos [07:26] hey anton_may, Squirm [07:26] So udp works. Yay! [07:26] worst case just use my vpn [07:28] lo theblazehen [08:07] Nothing broke Kilos, any fresh news? [08:07] and hi all [08:07] hi Langjan [08:08] hi theblazehen [08:09] Môre oom Jan [08:09] Wat's stukkend ? [08:09] nou doen jy dit...lmga! [08:09] hahahaha [08:09] hoe gaan dit mazal [08:10] Okerig en daar ? [08:10] goed dankie, koelerig [08:22] Chasing sheep Kilos ? [08:30] hey mazal [08:31] heh. 1.4 second lag to dedicated server hosting bouncer [08:31] Running everything to a socks proxy through ssh at home [08:32] 1 mbit - whatever speed the isp doesn't want to give me - whatever bandwidth ACKs take is my connection speed here [08:32] cpu on router is at 8% busy doing the encryption :) [08:33] Hi theblazehen [08:44] hi Langjan [08:45] that and checking on moving and repairin fences [08:45] now new yet otherwise, but so much work here [08:47] cut fences are the bane of my life [08:47] and im happy you didnt break anything for a change [08:47] hehe [08:48] yes a change is as good as a holiday...ḟor Kilos [08:48] lol [08:49] you doing ok Kilos ? [08:49] yes ty [08:49] good [08:49] visa? [08:49] just head doesnt like physical stuff [08:49] hows things your side [08:50] did you knock it? [08:50] still with vaccu peeps [08:50] fine thks just very dry [08:50] no man inside not outside [08:50] lmga, fine all sides, top and bottom also [08:50] lol [08:52] and with you? [08:53] with me what? [08:53] all the sides [08:53] just my head hassles [08:53] inside [08:53] did you knock it or what? [08:53] everything else is piekfyn [08:53] man [08:54] dont you even know [08:54] headaches? [08:54] know what? [08:54] yes head was split open in 98 and where bones grew back together it has pinched all nerve endings [08:55] permanent aches since then? [08:55] so my headaches are 24/7 from sore to worse [08:56] eish! must be terrible [08:56] yes spent 5 years on workmans compensation synap forte 600mg 3 times a day and 20 grandpas [08:57] then they went broke and i have lived without pain killers since then [08:57] whew! Those things will wreak havoc elsewhere, just as well [08:57] yes that too [08:57] but im ok if i can sit by pc all day [08:58] physical stuff aggravates it [08:58] does it also help to sort of forget the pain? [08:58] one actually gets used to the pain [08:58] That's interesting , I would think pc's screens would make headaches worse [08:59] becomes part of life [08:59] no things move slowly here [08:59] but not pleasant at all... [08:59] music videos make is worse [08:59] Fortunately oom don't do youtube [08:59] fast movements on tv suck [09:00] yeah mazal [09:00] Youtube videos tend to make me seasick [09:00] I can never watch too many reviews all at once [09:00] all the flashing images are painful to watch [09:01] otherwise im fine [09:01] hehe [09:01] i can irc all day [09:01] My eyes get too tired of all the reading [09:01] Kilos, I a fascinated, also perplexed by your comment that wipe and install on whole disk will not wipe windoze installation [09:01] By 1pm I can feel my eyes are sore [09:01] it will man Langjan [09:01] i was joking [09:01] 1pm or 1 am? [09:02] 1pm [09:02] then no more win hassles [09:02] Oom Langjan , I work in it so am in the screens since 6:30am [09:02] Jy moenie sulke grappe maak nie, ek glo mos wat jy se man! [09:02] skuus oom [09:02] didnt i say hehe at the end [09:03] lmga, maar ja ek sou dit probeer [09:03] oh Langjan here is something you can do [09:03] cant remember, maybe you did [09:03] what? [09:03] systemback [09:03] mazal tell him [09:03] * mazal weier [09:03] tell him pretty please [09:04] wat nou? [09:04] Langjan [09:04] ja Kilos ? [09:04] Langjan, systemback is an app that makes a live bootable iso of your current system as it is. When you re-install with it all your apps and even configs and updates are already there and don't need to be redone [09:04] i have made a boorable iso with systemback i can plug in any pc and see exactly what i see here on this laptop [09:05] sounds great [09:05] wonderful tool [09:05] And yeah that too , can be used as a live system for troubleshooting purposes [09:06] https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwizsZPZk8_MAhULMz4KHfvVAAEQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuhandbook.org%2Findex.php%2F2014%2F07%2Finstall-backup-tool-systemback-1-0-ubuntu-14-04%2F&usg=AFQjCNFtsP_59kSDlw3L9QfSEnEP4mYdPw&sig2=2T9oheRfFteNHg96c3oj5g [09:06] is it in the repos? [09:06] I broke my install last week Wednesday , re-installed with that , 30minutes and everything back the way it was [09:06] go read [09:06] oh ok [09:06] Just putting back actual data like docs , pics etc. that remains then [09:06] So why refuse to tell mazal ? [09:07] Just lus to hassle Kilos oom :) [09:07] ok so still need to backup pics and docs [09:07] van der merwe blood [09:07] Hassling Kilos is part of my contract [09:07] lmga [09:07] i actually have pics as well [09:07] Is payback for the fighting me about my games lol [09:07] everything looks same [09:07] haha [09:08] what about vbox? [09:08] Oom Kilos , barry also started fighting me [09:08] lol mooi [09:08] I merely suggested a trip to PTA yesterday and he was on my case :( [09:08] i dont use vbox [09:09] Langjan try it and see [09:09] Here comes trouble :P [09:09] it has quite a few options i chose the live iso one [09:10] lemme go work a while again [09:10] Well I will have t decide if I must use backups as now or systemback or both? [09:12] go well Kilos [09:13] ty you too [09:13] thks [09:16] bye for now mazal [09:16] Langjan [09:16] let me go break something [09:16] hi Kilos [09:17] systemback can be used to install exactly what you have there on another pc [09:17] should fit on an 8g stick [09:18] but to have stuff backed up on another storage is always safe [09:18] Langjan, [09:18] Still here ? [09:18] irrespective of size? Are you not limited to the sixe of the stick? Like my system is 80Gb [09:18] yes mazal [09:18] Never replace your current backup , do that as well [09:19] No I will keep that, thks [09:19] If one process fails you must have a fallback [09:20] but how do you load 80 Gb on a 8 GB stick? [09:20] You can't [09:20] make the iso and see what size it is [09:20] ok will do thks [09:21] mine was only 4.7g [09:21] good luck [09:21] wbb [09:21] I prefer not to let it transfer data as well [09:21] Maaz watch them [09:21] OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you [09:21] My data I backup with normal backup procedures [09:21] I use systemback only for the system itself [09:21] thks, makes sense [09:22] Then upon breakdown I install the system and copy my data back manually [09:23] That way it keeps the size of the iso low enough for in case you need to fit it on dvd. And data changes daily , if you do the trasfer data option then you must make a new iso every day [09:23] mazal how often do you back up, daily? [09:23] magespawn, yes [09:23] Sometimes twice a day [09:23] Depends how much docs etc. changed [09:24] how much data is it? [09:24] Is mostly docs and savegames that I backup daily [09:24] My /home folder and all in it [09:24] in gigs approx how much? [09:25] Lemme check for you [09:25] 16gig here [09:25] My home machine will be much more though [09:26] what do you prefer to back up to, and how many do you keep [09:26] where do you see the size? [09:26] I backup to a 2nd internal drive. That drive gets backed up to an external as well once a week. I keep one seperate backup for every day of the week [09:27] I have a auto cron one that runs to same folder , and 7 manual ones that I run manual each to their own destination folder [09:27] And all that once a week to an external [09:28] I'm paranoid , I know :) [09:28] Langjan, in file browser go up 1 level from your home. You should see your username as a folder , right-click that and choose properties [09:29] And the system iso I only do once a week [09:29] Just to get all updates and added apps in [09:30] mazal, in "recent" [09:30] Langjan, nope [09:30] Open file broweser [09:30] You will be standing in your home [09:30] Go up 1 level [09:30] In the tree [09:31] Then you will see the user folders [09:32] youve lost me maz [09:32] mazal, [09:32] mazal i also understand, i also like to keep mine on different media like dvd/bluray/flash drive, and in the cloud and physically offsite [09:33] Physicall offsite is actually the real right way [09:34] luckally i am not moving that much data that is critical [09:36] I once lost everything and since then I am a bit overkill when it comes to backups hehehehe === daimonos is now known as urbanslug [10:32] Morning [10:38] Hi Squirm [10:46] kewl , I added a application menu entry for the first time ever :) [10:46] Installed baobab and was nowhere to be found in the menus so created one [11:04] maaz tell Kilos I did something new in K , but didn't break anything this time :) [11:04] mazal: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [11:18] what mazal [11:18] Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos I did something new in K , but didn't break anything this time :)" 13 minutes and 54 seconds ago [11:21] I added an application launcher entry for an app that wasn't listed there [11:21] First time I needed to do that [11:21] Kilos, ^^ [11:22] ah [11:23] maaz tell LangJan Too see a good breakup of folder sizes install the baobab app. To see just home type the command du -hs /home/username or other folder if needed [11:23] mazal: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode [11:30] hi GnikLlort [11:30] oh hi :) [11:31] hi Squirm long time no see [11:32] my old laptop sorta died [11:35] Kilos: Yeah, in and out [11:35] Not really on irc much anymore [11:35] oh my GnikLlort thats not good [11:36] Kilos, got myself a new one tho :D [11:36] cool [11:39] GnikLlort: sort of died? [11:39] lol [11:39] cpu melted [11:39] ouch [11:39] how can that happen [11:40] cpu fan died [11:40] that will do it [11:40] think a wire came loose then poof [12:15] back [12:15] wb [12:15] what broke [12:21] GnikLlort: was it running linux when this happened? [12:22] yes, think I didnt get all the drivers tbh [12:23] oh, cause from experience i've seen linux down stepping the cpu when it overheads (fan stops) [12:23] GnikLlort: The bios should have kept it running [12:23] Unless specifically told what to do (via fancontrol script etc) it should just run [12:24] oh [12:24] s/head/heat/ [12:24] but that laptop was old asf [12:25] GnikLlort: Still. I have a 16 year old desktop that manages fine.. [12:25] 17 actually [12:25] hmm [12:25] then a wire must have failed [12:26] broken or stuff [12:26] when I took it to matrix thy said its cooked [12:26] need to replace everything [12:26] * chesedo rolls eyes [12:26] I then just got a new one [12:34] *yawn* - hangover after night shift quick change ... sup all? [12:35] hey nlsthzn [12:35] not much, just studies nlsthzn [12:36] although chan has been busy today... [12:36] chesedo: cool... keep it up. [12:36] hope all are well [12:36] * chesedo has nothing to do with chan business :P [12:37] meant keep up the studies :p [12:38] nlsthzn: do you have to work the day shift after a night shift, or do they give some down time in between? [12:42] magespawn: nope, as we have 12 hour shifts it wouldn't be possible... and as our normal schedule runs we have 4 days off after our last night \o/ [12:42] still a bugger to switch over even when sitting at home.. in your pj's :p [12:42] happy to know im not the only one with 12 hour shifts [12:43] nlsthzn: yup it is, 12 hours is a bit on the long side [12:44] 4 on 4 off, so the trade off is ok I guess [12:44] 2 day 2 night [12:44] GnikLlort: 12 hour shifts seem to becoming the norm [12:44] im Monday to Friday off on weekends and Public Holliday's [12:44] ikr [12:45] are you guys in security jobs or something? [12:46] that is a lot of hours for your week GnikLlort [12:46] yep :( [12:46] * nlsthzn is in the petrochemical industry [12:46] process operator [12:47] I´m in Security, Site Supervisor [12:52] :) I also got promoted to sup a few months ago [12:54] niceee [12:55] I was told to expect a promotion soon [13:03] well with oil price I can actually expect to loose my job before getting another promotion >.< [13:04] ffs, I *really* hope that my server's connection issue is the same one making us not reach internationally [13:04] nlsthzn: Ouch :( [13:04] Someone mind doing a tracepath mirrors.theblazehen.com for me? [13:06] okay [13:06] on it [13:06] working theblazehen [13:06] want the output/ [13:06] ? [13:10] nlsthzn: Yeah, my connection is working. I want the final hops [13:10] Yes please [13:10] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8pnxu [13:10] theblazehen ^^ [13:10] wb [13:11] nlsthzn: Ty. Yes, I would like the output please [13:11] sent but it seems you timed out :p [13:11] Want to see if any of the hops to it are on the same as our international route [13:11] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm8pnxu [13:11] I send again [13:11] yeah [13:11] ty [13:11] theblazehen ^^ [13:11] Works fine, then boom [13:11] https://bin.snyman.info/mmmgjpx2 [13:12] in case the pm isn't working :p [13:12] got it ty [13:12] That looks fine [13:12] Let me ssh in maybe.. [13:12] if ssh works [13:13] I got ssh running over udp earlier today :) [13:13] I could do basic shell stuff, open vim etc. Scp and so on fails though, even with a lowered mtu [13:14] ssh login is really slow.. [13:15] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm2ahte [13:15] the first one was traceroute [13:15] Thanks magespawn [13:16] np did not actually know about tracepath [13:16] tcp is amazing.. [13:16] Almost managed to log in with ssh with 87-90% packet loss [13:17] whoops, 96 [13:17] wow something is not right [13:17] It's on the last hop for me [13:17] 2nd last hop dropping only 1.2% [13:17] Hosting provider seems to have lost my account too.. [13:18] Will see if billing dept also lost account in a weeks time :) [13:18] `639 packets transmitted, 26 received, 95% packet loss, time 8683ms` [13:18]