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lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:18
lotuspsychjemorning baizon04:26
baizonmorning lotuspsychje04:28
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/show-us-your-ubuntu-desktop04:29
baizonhttps://i.imgur.com/CDIpWyo.gifv04:46
lotuspsychjelol04:47
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^08:47
EriC^^morning lotuspsychje08:47
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: got a new tv yet?08:47
EriC^^nope08:47
EriC^^kind of decided it was pretty useless08:47
lotuspsychjewe still happy with our 40"08:47
EriC^^yeah the 32" is ok08:48
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: well if you can watch movies on your lcd pretty nice its also nice08:48
EriC^^plus the salon isn't that comfortable to sit in and stuff to watch movies in08:48
EriC^^we pretty much never use it08:48
lotuspsychjeyeah08:49
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: i always wanted like a multimedia corner instead of classic tv08:49
lotuspsychjelike where you can browse web and watch movies togheter08:49
lotuspsychjewith keyboard on the salon table08:49
EriC^^yeah that'd be sweet08:49
lotuspsychjei wonder how mythtv is recently08:50
EriC^^what's mythtv08:51
lotuspsychje!mythtv08:51
ubot5mythtv is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV - For discussion and specific support, try #ubuntu-mythtv08:51
EriC^^cool08:52
lotuspsychjemorning de-facto08:52
de-factoMorning guys :)08:53
lotuspsychjeoh, dax made a !releasenotes for xenial08:53
EriC^^morning de-facto08:53
lotuspsychjeif you guys need to show users whats xenial is about08:53
EriC^^cool08:53
lotuspsychjeupgrade to xenial is also described08:53
lotuspsychje!releasenotes08:54
ubot5Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes08:54
de-factoAny of your guys ever used USB LTE devices?10:46
lotuspsychjewb11:27
EriC^^thank11:32
EriC^^*thanks11:32
lotuspsychjedax: awake?11:33
EriC^^crazy how many people have unallocated space11:34
lotuspsychjei dont get that either..11:34
EriC^^yesterday a guy had 150gb unallocated, now this guy has oddest partition scheme with about 20gb unallocated11:34
lotuspsychjei never liked partitions myself11:34
lotuspsychjelol11:34
lotuspsychjea hd should be used fully in my opninion11:35
EriC^^me too11:35
EriC^^such a waste11:35
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: well there are articles mentioning unallocated space can speed up things but...11:36
lotuspsychjei dont buy that11:36
lotuspsychjelike when ssd's came out, some articles mentioning use only half the ssd to speedup11:37
OerHeksmaybe an article, writen on friday @ 17:5911:37
lotuspsychjelol11:37
lotuspsychjehi hi BluesKaj11:52
BluesKajHiyas all11:53
BluesKajHey lotuspsychje11:53
EriC^^hi pauljw12:18
pauljwhi EriC^^ :)12:20
EriC^^how's it going?12:21
pauljwgoing well EriC^^ , so far.  early yet. :)  how about you?12:21
EriC^^it's ok, weather is nice today :)12:22
OerHeksflower here are growing like weeds12:24
pauljwthat's a plus, we're getting a break in the storms this morning, more on the way tonight.  water laying everywhere.  much better than no water though...12:25
EriC^^pauljw: which country are you from?12:25
pauljwUS12:25
EriC^^aha12:26
pauljwIndiana12:26
BluesKajHi pauljw, EriC^^, yeah nice here too, actaully didsome BBQ yesterday ;-)12:28
EriC^^hi BluesKaj12:28
pauljwhi BluesKaj , ummm BBQ12:28
BluesKajreal coals , no gas12:29
pauljw:)12:29
pauljwi cheat, mine is gas.12:29
OerHekslotus, you have a groupie12:30
OerHeks:-D12:30
OerHekssomeone talks about sleeping with you, or something like that12:30
pauljwuh oh...12:30
BluesKajstalker12:31
OerHeksno no pauljw i am not jealous12:31
pauljwoh, okay, thought there might be some issues on the horizon... lol12:32
OerHekspauljw, you don't have groupies?12:32
pauljwjust wife and daughter...12:32
OerHekssee ..12:33
pauljwand i am jealous12:33
BluesKajok here goes , just installed the nvidia driver, we'll see if it breaks X on activities again13:14
lotuspsychjehi pauljw14:01
OerHekslotuspsychje, you missed your groupie14:02
lotuspsychjewho what?14:02
lotuspsychje@what time?14:02
OerHeksmei 11 14:29:23 <R0binh00d>lotuspsychje, When do you sleep man? :-)14:03
OerHeksmei 11 14:29:43 <R0binh00d>cat /dev/some_sleep > lotuspsychje  :-)14:03
lotuspsychjelol14:03
lotuspsychjerobinhood is haunting me :p14:03
OerHeksguy from Gent?14:03
lotuspsychjenot sure i dont even know him14:03
lotuspsychjehe started to speak to me yesterday14:04
OerHeksi guess he loves flowers14:06
OerHeksi seen him before this week, also wondering about your sleeping14:06
lotuspsychjelol14:06
lotuspsychjeducasse: welcome :p14:28
ducassethank you :)14:29
lotuspsychjeducasse: here we share some recent ubuntu topics, to serve #ubuntu better14:29
lotuspsychjeducasse: the idea is we never really have the chance to speak to each other, so here we are14:29
ducassestill not familiar with all the #ubuntu-channels, there are quite a few...14:30
lotuspsychjeducasse: if you looking for something let us know14:30
ducasseok, thanks :) i'm trying to get more familiar with the wiki, i've been hoping to help with updating some of the more outdated pages...14:31
lotuspsychjeoh cool!14:32
lotuspsychje!contribute14:32
ubot5To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu14:32
ducassethere are *many* to choose from :)14:32
lotuspsychjeyeah, 16.04 wiki's being nicely updated now14:33
daftykinsfrom what TJ has been saying it'll need write ups for all the bugs :(14:34
lotuspsychjedaftykins: bugs of what?14:35
daftykinsnot sure what afflictions he was referring to, but he seemed to think it's been the worst release so far despite being an LTS14:35
daftykinswhich is quite the scathing remark!14:36
JanC"worst" often depend on if they affect you14:36
JanCdepends14:36
lotuspsychjedaftykins: oh tj was saying he didnt like where unity going14:36
lotuspsychjeall the touch apps,snaps,mobile and such14:36
daftykinsnot sure it would've been unity focussed, as i don't think he uses it so i doubt he'd put in any time to fixing bugs with it14:37
lotuspsychjelucky for us mark says he wont make the mistake twice :p14:37
lotuspsychjeand let us choose for unity7 or 814:37
daftykinso014:37
lotuspsychjeif the largest mass votes unity8, so it will be14:38
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy14:42
OerHeksone can test unity 8 on mir, this is discusses here some hours ago14:43
lotuspsychjeLessons learned. And I think the right way to deal with that is make a great unity 8 desktop, use it ourselves, then let people vote, essentially, and signal: ‘this is what we want as the default unity for Ubuntu’.14:44
lotuspsychje'mark'14:44
OerHekshttp://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/14:44
lotuspsychjeim not gonna experiment with non-default stuff anymore14:46
lotuspsychjesticking to the LTS road14:46
lotuspsychjewe will see what 18.04 bring us :p14:46
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: didnt know there was a #ubuntu-unity :p14:55
OerHeksoh, me too14:57
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic yakkety15:31
ubot5'yakkety' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed15:31
lotuspsychjeoh15:31
lotuspsychjeVersion 4.4.0.22.23 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB15:32
lotuspsychjeducasse: all ubuntu versions had recent kernel security issues right15:42
lotuspsychje!usn15:43
ubot5Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates.15:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: perhaps new kernel doesnt get the wifi right?15:43
lotuspsychjeor network card15:43
daftykinso015:44
ducasseno, previous kernel doesn't work either. it did, and this is an *old* driver.15:44
lotuspsychjeoh15:44
ducassertl816915:44
lotuspsychjebut it happened after an update?15:44
lotuspsychjewb BluesKaj15:44
ducasseyes, i was thinking maybe dhclient, because that is what seems to fail.15:45
BluesKajthanks lot15:45
BluesKajlotuspsychje: :-015:45
lotuspsychje!info dhclient trusty15:45
ubot5Package dhclient does not exist in trusty15:45
ducassesorry, i meant dhcp clients in general. whether baked into nm or wherever they may be.15:46
lotuspsychjekk15:46
ducassei had her add an entry for dhcp in /e/n/i, and it fails to get an address.15:47
daftykins!info isc-dhcp-client trusty15:47
ubot5isc-dhcp-client (source: isc-dhcp): ISC DHCP client. In component main, is important. Version 4.2.4-7ubuntu12.4 (trusty), package size 609 kB, installed size 1939 kB15:47
lotuspsychjerealtek smells like realtek driver failing15:48
daftykinsnot sure if that's the active one15:48
daftykinsbut i have it :D15:48
lotuspsychjedaftykins: yeah looks that15:48
ducassedaftykins: that's where dhclient comes from, i would guess :)15:48
ducasselotuspsychje: but that driver is very old, and the previous kernel worked before the update.15:49
daftykinsyes that's what i gathered was being pondered15:49
lotuspsychjeducasse: i recall some fiddling on trusty with realtek cards with linux-firmware15:50
lotuspsychjemany cases such a mess bah15:50
ducasselotuspsychje: ok, that might be relevant. thanks, it could show up in the logs if she posts them.15:51
lotuspsychjeyeah im curious15:51
ducassei have a card that uses that exact driver here, but that machine is on xenial. i can test, though...15:52
daftykinswho's the user? rings a bell as to a regular :P15:52
lotuspsychjedaftykins: judy15:52
daftykinshmm ok nope15:52
lotuspsychjedaftykins: after a trusty update realtek card not working anymore15:53
daftykinsis it not as simple as a user that followed a guide to make a module and load it, kernel update breaks that, so needs it rebuilt?15:54
daftykinsho-hum i won't chinese whispers support ;D15:54
lotuspsychjelol15:54
lotuspsychjelets wait for the logs :p15:54
daftykinsducasse: no pressure! XD15:54
lotuspsychjeopensource brainstorm is the best15:55
ducassedaftykins: :)15:55
daftykinsi dunno, i much prefer find driver -> download driver -> things work, move on with life! :D15:55
lotuspsychjeif its driver related15:56
lotuspsychjedaftykins: we can do teleport support to here lol15:56
daftykins:D15:57
lotuspsychjeuser: judy==>trusty realteak card dont work after update==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16364447/15:58
OerHeksdaftykins, you don't speak chinese?15:58
lotuspsychjenihao15:58
daftykinsnot last i checked sir, no15:58
OerHeksnr 41 with rice15:58
OerHeksoh ..15:58
daftykins:)15:58
lotuspsychjekernel: [434872.942879] r8169 0000:06:00.0 eth0: link down15:59
daftykinsoh man it's a desktop, what15:59
daftykinshttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1688311410716:00
lotuspsychjeNetworkManager[872]: <info> (eth0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40]16:00
daftykinsactually ignore my link, there is talk of an acer EFI in that pastebin... so the hostname is a misnomer16:03
daftykinsa RED HERRING!16:03
daftykinsoh no16:03
daftykinsit actually is the emachines16:03
lotuspsychjekernel: [    2.869070] r8169 0000:06:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control16:04
lotuspsychjewhatever that means16:04
daftykinspower management perhaps16:04
daftykinsyep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_State_Power_Management16:05
daftykins10 points \o/16:05
lotuspsychje:p16:07
lotuspsychjeducasse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=228057916:08
lotuspsychjeoff for coffee :p16:15
daftykinsmines a caramel latté, thanks!16:18
pauljwyou have go off for coffee... my coffee maker is right behind me.16:20
OerHekspauljw, not all of us have employees :-D16:21
pauljw:)16:21
OerHeksi should get married too ..16:22
pauljwheh, i'm the one that makes the coffee most of the time.16:22
OerHeksoh oke, misunderstood16:22
* OerHeks removing the ad16:23
pauljwi meant the actual device is right behind me... ;)16:23
pauljwnow i must run to the basement and retrieve the laundry from the dryer... brb.16:24
daftykinsOerHeks: just train Drabber!16:25
de-factoAny of you guys ever played around with cdc_ncm.ko for usb lte modems?16:26
lotuspsychjeducasse: driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168e-3_0.0.4 03/27/12 ip=10.10.10.124 latency=016:26
lotuspsychjehi nicomachus16:41
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml16:43
lotuspsychjei think they will give the 29 million to us now :p16:43
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: what will you buy?16:43
OerHeksi would buy a huge building, to start an opensource-shop16:44
lotuspsychjelol16:44
lotuspsychjecan i come work for you then?16:44
OerHekswith at least 3 rooms where i can put 100 people in16:44
OerHekssure16:44
lotuspsychjeawesome!16:44
OerHeksthen we invite pauljw daftykins BluesKaj Ben64 dax DJones EriC^^ and such fine people to give seminars16:45
lotuspsychje:p16:45
OerHekssorry for highlighting you ..16:45
lotuspsychjethe whole world should migrate to opensource like this16:46
lotuspsychjesaving $$$$16:46
lotuspsychjenice example for starters16:46
lotuspsychjethis is just how we can defeat the dirty politics16:47
OerHeksyes, communist-revenge16:47
lotuspsychjeour names arent showing in those panama papers :p16:48
BluesKajheh, i'd better brush up on my libreoffice chops :-)16:48
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: :p16:48
OerHeksi'll be standing at the door, checking for legal windows and such16:48
lotuspsychjehahaha16:49
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: the building will have no windows?16:49
OerHeksonly backdoors ..16:49
lotuspsychjeroflol16:49
OerHeksactually, this is how i get easy to sleep at night16:50
lotuspsychjehow?16:50
OerHeksdreaming of a huge building for free, etc16:50
lotuspsychjeeveryone needs a big dream...im tired of counting thoe sheep!16:51
lotuspsychje*those16:51
pauljw:)16:51
lotuspsychjehttp://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies16:53
DJonesOerHeks: with my state of mind at the moment, I'd be in no state too give a seminar on anything :)16:54
OerHeksoh oke .. but we need painters too16:55
OerHeksjust joking, but really, such place would be awesome16:56
* OerHeks is in between jobs at the moment16:56
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: what are you looking for?16:56
lotuspsychjeim also still looking for a temporary job to combine the business with16:57
DJonesOerHeks: me too, plus long term sickness waiting for diagnosis, stroke/epilepsy/blackouts etc16:57
OerHeksi read a lot in our newspapers, about oensource guru's are wanted..16:57
OerHeks*opensource16:58
OerHekshttp://webwereld.nl/open-source/93441-open-source-helpt-je-bij-het-vinden-van-een-baan16:58
OerHeks.. but not :-(16:58
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: linux torvalds also advising linux IT jobs16:59
OerHeksthey all want itil and such .. canonical too16:59
lotuspsychjeyeah the skills are crazy...17:00
pauljwthe quarry i retired from is always looking for good help... come on over!!17:00
lotuspsychjepauljw: you had an IT job also?17:00
pauljwnot there, i was a laborer, a truck driver the a plant operator.  using shovels, sledge hammers, pick axes and my back17:01
lotuspsychjeah17:01
pauljwIT was a decade ago17:01
OerHeksoh, then i failed because i have no driving license ..17:01
lotuspsychjei worked at truck & trailer plant for 18 years17:02
OerHeksor having no smartphone ..17:02
lotuspsychjeyou get refused because no mobile?17:02
lotuspsychjewth..17:02
OerHeks"you should own a smartphone for our time schedule app" meh17:03
lotuspsychjeevening baizon17:03
lotuspsychjedear lord..17:03
pauljwoh boy17:03
pauljwthen they should supply the phoone17:03
pauljwphone even17:03
OerHekswell, i am unemployed for some time now, 48 yrs, it is getting tough17:03
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: give me a smartphone, and then ill consider a job at your company...17:03
OerHeksi refuse an android blob17:03
lotuspsychjeneither here17:04
OerHeksbut starting my own business, i think it is a little risky ..17:04
OerHekslittle big risky17:04
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: yeah its not a great time to invest money17:05
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: if you start a business, stay very low17:05
OerHeksi would need employees, i guess17:05
OerHeksmaybe someone from ccanonical is reading this, and has an idea..17:05
pauljwnot really, you can be the owner/operator until you grow too big for one employee.17:06
lotuspsychjeyeah17:06
OerHeksi think that happens fast.17:07
OerHeksunless i win the lottery ..17:07
OerHeksthen i would surely invest.17:07
ducasselotuspsychje: how are entries added to ubottu? the 'can i have / on zfs in 16.04?' thing seems to come up a lot...17:09
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: a trustable accountant is halfway a good busines17:09
lotuspsychje!zfs17:09
ubot5For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS17:09
lotuspsychjeducasse: talk to dax if you have a new suggestion, he will look into it17:10
OerHekslotuspsychje, accountant/taxman/legal, all in house :-)17:10
lotuspsychje:p17:10
lotuspsychje!releasenotes | ducasse mentions zfs17:12
ubot5ducasse mentions zfs: Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes17:12
lotuspsychjeog for ibm17:14
lotuspsychjeoh17:14
ducasselotuspsychje: there's nothing on zfs in there afaict.17:14
lotuspsychjesorry confused with zfsdump17:15
lotuspsychjeducasse: is this relevant? edited 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS17:18
ducasselotuspsychje: yes, but it doesn't point out that it's just for data pools.17:20
ducasselotuspsychje: it says 'will be fully supported in xenial', so i can see why people are confused.17:20
lotuspsychjedax: wanna take care of this ^17:21
lotuspsychjehttps://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/02/16/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04/ also redirects the kernel reference url17:24
ducasselotuspsychje: dax: i know it's not officially supported, but here's a guide from the zol people - https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem17:24
lotuspsychjeconfusing stuff, 16.04 beta1 ?17:26
lotuspsychjeisnt xenial supposed to have zfs baked in?17:26
ducasselotuspsychje: it has the zfs kernel module by default, the tools are in main, but it17:27
ducasseit's only supported on data pools.17:27
lotuspsychjeducasse: so you suggesting we mention this only for data pools in a trigger?17:28
ducasselotuspsychje: yes, something like that.17:28
lotuspsychjekk17:28
lotuspsychjelets wait until dax is awake :p17:28
BluesKajok, learned a new way to use nmcli to connect to my vpnserver ..quite simple actually ...the nm widget is erroring in my panel17:29
ducasselotuspsychje: np :) i'm about to call it a night anyway :)17:29
lotuspsychjesoupertime here also :p17:29
lotuspsychjelaterz guys17:29
OerHeksit worked, lotus !!17:36
OerHeksoh17:36

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