=== not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy [04:18] good morning to all [04:26] morning baizon [04:28] morning lotuspsychje [04:29] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/show-us-your-ubuntu-desktop [04:46] https://i.imgur.com/CDIpWyo.gifv [04:47] lol [08:47] hey EriC^^ [08:47] morning lotuspsychje [08:47] EriC^^: got a new tv yet? [08:47] nope [08:47] kind of decided it was pretty useless [08:47] we still happy with our 40" [08:48] yeah the 32" is ok [08:48] EriC^^: well if you can watch movies on your lcd pretty nice its also nice [08:48] plus the salon isn't that comfortable to sit in and stuff to watch movies in [08:48] we pretty much never use it [08:49] yeah [08:49] EriC^^: i always wanted like a multimedia corner instead of classic tv [08:49] like where you can browse web and watch movies togheter [08:49] with keyboard on the salon table [08:49] yeah that'd be sweet [08:50] i wonder how mythtv is recently [08:51] what's mythtv [08:51] !mythtv [08:51] mythtv is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV - For discussion and specific support, try #ubuntu-mythtv [08:52] cool [08:52] morning de-facto [08:53] Morning guys :) [08:53] oh, dax made a !releasenotes for xenial [08:53] morning de-facto [08:53] if you guys need to show users whats xenial is about [08:53] cool [08:53] upgrade to xenial is also described [08:54] !releasenotes [08:54] Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes [10:46] Any of your guys ever used USB LTE devices? [11:27] wb [11:32] thank [11:32] *thanks [11:33] dax: awake? [11:34] crazy how many people have unallocated space [11:34] i dont get that either.. [11:34] yesterday a guy had 150gb unallocated, now this guy has oddest partition scheme with about 20gb unallocated [11:34] i never liked partitions myself [11:34] lol [11:35] a hd should be used fully in my opninion [11:35] me too [11:35] such a waste [11:36] EriC^^: well there are articles mentioning unallocated space can speed up things but... [11:36] i dont buy that [11:37] like when ssd's came out, some articles mentioning use only half the ssd to speedup [11:37] maybe an article, writen on friday @ 17:59 [11:37] lol [11:52] hi hi BluesKaj [11:53] Hiyas all [11:53] Hey lotuspsychje [12:18] hi pauljw [12:20] hi EriC^^ :) [12:21] how's it going? [12:21] going well EriC^^ , so far. early yet. :) how about you? [12:22] it's ok, weather is nice today :) [12:24] flower here are growing like weeds [12:25] that's a plus, we're getting a break in the storms this morning, more on the way tonight. water laying everywhere. much better than no water though... [12:25] pauljw: which country are you from? [12:25] US [12:26] aha [12:26] Indiana [12:28] Hi pauljw, EriC^^, yeah nice here too, actaully didsome BBQ yesterday ;-) [12:28] hi BluesKaj [12:28] hi BluesKaj , ummm BBQ [12:29] real coals , no gas [12:29] :) [12:29] i cheat, mine is gas. [12:30] lotus, you have a groupie [12:30] :-D [12:30] someone talks about sleeping with you, or something like that [12:30] uh oh... [12:31] stalker [12:31] no no pauljw i am not jealous [12:32] oh, okay, thought there might be some issues on the horizon... lol [12:32] pauljw, you don't have groupies? [12:32] just wife and daughter... [12:33] see .. [12:33] and i am jealous [13:14] ok here goes , just installed the nvidia driver, we'll see if it breaks X on activities again [14:01] hi pauljw [14:02] lotuspsychje, you missed your groupie [14:02] who what? [14:02] @what time? [14:03] mei 11 14:29:23 lotuspsychje, When do you sleep man? :-) [14:03] mei 11 14:29:43 cat /dev/some_sleep > lotuspsychje :-) [14:03] lol [14:03] robinhood is haunting me :p [14:03] guy from Gent? [14:03] not sure i dont even know him [14:04] he started to speak to me yesterday [14:06] i guess he loves flowers [14:06] i seen him before this week, also wondering about your sleeping [14:06] lol [14:28] ducasse: welcome :p [14:29] thank you :) [14:29] ducasse: here we share some recent ubuntu topics, to serve #ubuntu better [14:29] ducasse: the idea is we never really have the chance to speak to each other, so here we are [14:30] still not familiar with all the #ubuntu-channels, there are quite a few... [14:30] ducasse: if you looking for something let us know [14:31] ok, thanks :) i'm trying to get more familiar with the wiki, i've been hoping to help with updating some of the more outdated pages... [14:32] oh cool! [14:32] !contribute [14:32] To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu [14:32] there are *many* to choose from :) [14:33] yeah, 16.04 wiki's being nicely updated now [14:34] from what TJ has been saying it'll need write ups for all the bugs :( [14:35] daftykins: bugs of what? [14:35] not sure what afflictions he was referring to, but he seemed to think it's been the worst release so far despite being an LTS [14:36] which is quite the scathing remark! [14:36] "worst" often depend on if they affect you [14:36] depends [14:36] daftykins: oh tj was saying he didnt like where unity going [14:36] all the touch apps,snaps,mobile and such [14:37] not sure it would've been unity focussed, as i don't think he uses it so i doubt he'd put in any time to fixing bugs with it [14:37] lucky for us mark says he wont make the mistake twice :p [14:37] and let us choose for unity7 or 8 [14:37] o0 [14:38] if the largest mass votes unity8, so it will be [14:42] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy [14:43] one can test unity 8 on mir, this is discusses here some hours ago [14:44] Lessons learned. And I think the right way to deal with that is make a great unity 8 desktop, use it ourselves, then let people vote, essentially, and signal: ‘this is what we want as the default unity for Ubuntu’. [14:44] 'mark' [14:44] http://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/ [14:46] im not gonna experiment with non-default stuff anymore [14:46] sticking to the LTS road [14:46] we will see what 18.04 bring us :p [14:55] OerHeks: didnt know there was a #ubuntu-unity :p [14:57] oh, me too [15:31] !info linux-image-generic yakkety [15:31] 'yakkety' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed [15:31] oh [15:32] Version 4.4.0.22.23 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB [15:42] ducasse: all ubuntu versions had recent kernel security issues right [15:43] !usn [15:43] Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates. [15:43] ducasse: perhaps new kernel doesnt get the wifi right? [15:43] or network card [15:44] o0 [15:44] no, previous kernel doesn't work either. it did, and this is an *old* driver. [15:44] oh [15:44] rtl8169 [15:44] but it happened after an update? [15:44] wb BluesKaj [15:45] yes, i was thinking maybe dhclient, because that is what seems to fail. [15:45] thanks lot [15:45] lotuspsychje: :-0 [15:45] !info dhclient trusty [15:45] Package dhclient does not exist in trusty [15:46] sorry, i meant dhcp clients in general. whether baked into nm or wherever they may be. [15:46] kk [15:47] i had her add an entry for dhcp in /e/n/i, and it fails to get an address. [15:47] !info isc-dhcp-client trusty [15:47] isc-dhcp-client (source: isc-dhcp): ISC DHCP client. In component main, is important. Version 4.2.4-7ubuntu12.4 (trusty), package size 609 kB, installed size 1939 kB [15:48] realtek smells like realtek driver failing [15:48] not sure if that's the active one [15:48] but i have it :D [15:48] daftykins: yeah looks that [15:48] daftykins: that's where dhclient comes from, i would guess :) [15:49] lotuspsychje: but that driver is very old, and the previous kernel worked before the update. [15:49] yes that's what i gathered was being pondered [15:50] ducasse: i recall some fiddling on trusty with realtek cards with linux-firmware [15:50] many cases such a mess bah [15:51] lotuspsychje: ok, that might be relevant. thanks, it could show up in the logs if she posts them. [15:51] yeah im curious [15:52] i have a card that uses that exact driver here, but that machine is on xenial. i can test, though... [15:52] who's the user? rings a bell as to a regular :P [15:52] daftykins: judy [15:52] hmm ok nope [15:53] daftykins: after a trusty update realtek card not working anymore [15:54] is it not as simple as a user that followed a guide to make a module and load it, kernel update breaks that, so needs it rebuilt? [15:54] ho-hum i won't chinese whispers support ;D [15:54] lol [15:54] lets wait for the logs :p [15:54] ducasse: no pressure! XD [15:55] opensource brainstorm is the best [15:55] daftykins: :) [15:55] i dunno, i much prefer find driver -> download driver -> things work, move on with life! :D [15:56] if its driver related [15:56] daftykins: we can do teleport support to here lol [15:57] :D [15:58] user: judy==>trusty realteak card dont work after update==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16364447/ [15:58] daftykins, you don't speak chinese? [15:58] nihao [15:58] not last i checked sir, no [15:58] nr 41 with rice [15:58] oh .. [15:58] :) [15:59] kernel: [434872.942879] r8169 0000:06:00.0 eth0: link down [15:59] oh man it's a desktop, what [16:00] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114107 [16:00] NetworkManager[872]: (eth0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40] [16:03] actually ignore my link, there is talk of an acer EFI in that pastebin... so the hostname is a misnomer [16:03] a RED HERRING! [16:03] oh no [16:03] it actually is the emachines [16:04] kernel: [ 2.869070] r8169 0000:06:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control [16:04] whatever that means [16:04] power management perhaps [16:05] yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_State_Power_Management [16:05] 10 points \o/ [16:07] :p [16:08] ducasse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2280579 [16:15] off for coffee :p [16:18] mines a caramel latté, thanks! [16:20] you have go off for coffee... my coffee maker is right behind me. [16:21] pauljw, not all of us have employees :-D [16:21] :) [16:22] i should get married too .. [16:22] heh, i'm the one that makes the coffee most of the time. [16:22] oh oke, misunderstood [16:23] * OerHeks removing the ad [16:23] i meant the actual device is right behind me... ;) [16:24] now i must run to the basement and retrieve the laundry from the dryer... brb. [16:25] OerHeks: just train Drabber! [16:26] Any of you guys ever played around with cdc_ncm.ko for usb lte modems? [16:26] ducasse: driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168e-3_0.0.4 03/27/12 ip=10.10.10.124 latency=0 [16:41] hi nicomachus [16:43] http://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml [16:43] i think they will give the 29 million to us now :p [16:43] OerHeks: what will you buy? [16:44] i would buy a huge building, to start an opensource-shop [16:44] lol [16:44] can i come work for you then? [16:44] with at least 3 rooms where i can put 100 people in [16:44] sure [16:44] awesome! [16:45] then we invite pauljw daftykins BluesKaj Ben64 dax DJones EriC^^ and such fine people to give seminars [16:45] :p [16:45] sorry for highlighting you .. [16:46] the whole world should migrate to opensource like this [16:46] saving $$$$ [16:46] nice example for starters [16:47] this is just how we can defeat the dirty politics [16:47] yes, communist-revenge [16:48] our names arent showing in those panama papers :p [16:48] heh, i'd better brush up on my libreoffice chops :-) [16:48] BluesKaj: :p [16:48] i'll be standing at the door, checking for legal windows and such [16:49] hahaha [16:49] OerHeks: the building will have no windows? [16:49] only backdoors .. [16:49] roflol [16:50] actually, this is how i get easy to sleep at night [16:50] how? [16:50] dreaming of a huge building for free, etc [16:51] everyone needs a big dream...im tired of counting thoe sheep! [16:51] *those [16:51] :) [16:53] http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies [16:54] OerHeks: with my state of mind at the moment, I'd be in no state too give a seminar on anything :) [16:55] oh oke .. but we need painters too [16:56] just joking, but really, such place would be awesome [16:56] * OerHeks is in between jobs at the moment [16:56] OerHeks: what are you looking for? [16:57] im also still looking for a temporary job to combine the business with [16:57] OerHeks: me too, plus long term sickness waiting for diagnosis, stroke/epilepsy/blackouts etc [16:57] i read a lot in our newspapers, about oensource guru's are wanted.. [16:58] *opensource [16:58] http://webwereld.nl/open-source/93441-open-source-helpt-je-bij-het-vinden-van-een-baan [16:58] .. but not :-( [16:59] OerHeks: linux torvalds also advising linux IT jobs [16:59] they all want itil and such .. canonical too [17:00] yeah the skills are crazy... [17:00] the quarry i retired from is always looking for good help... come on over!! [17:00] pauljw: you had an IT job also? [17:01] not there, i was a laborer, a truck driver the a plant operator. using shovels, sledge hammers, pick axes and my back [17:01] ah [17:01] IT was a decade ago [17:01] oh, then i failed because i have no driving license .. [17:02] i worked at truck & trailer plant for 18 years [17:02] or having no smartphone .. [17:02] you get refused because no mobile? [17:02] wth.. [17:03] "you should own a smartphone for our time schedule app" meh [17:03] evening baizon [17:03] dear lord.. [17:03] oh boy [17:03] then they should supply the phoone [17:03] phone even [17:03] well, i am unemployed for some time now, 48 yrs, it is getting tough [17:03] OerHeks: give me a smartphone, and then ill consider a job at your company... [17:03] i refuse an android blob [17:04] neither here [17:04] but starting my own business, i think it is a little risky .. [17:04] little big risky [17:05] OerHeks: yeah its not a great time to invest money [17:05] OerHeks: if you start a business, stay very low [17:05] i would need employees, i guess [17:05] maybe someone from ccanonical is reading this, and has an idea.. [17:06] not really, you can be the owner/operator until you grow too big for one employee. [17:06] yeah [17:07] i think that happens fast. [17:07] unless i win the lottery .. [17:07] then i would surely invest. [17:09] lotuspsychje: how are entries added to ubottu? the 'can i have / on zfs in 16.04?' thing seems to come up a lot... [17:09] OerHeks: a trustable accountant is halfway a good busines [17:09] !zfs [17:09] For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS [17:10] ducasse: talk to dax if you have a new suggestion, he will look into it [17:10] lotuspsychje, accountant/taxman/legal, all in house :-) [17:10] :p [17:12] !releasenotes | ducasse mentions zfs [17:12] ducasse mentions zfs: Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes [17:14] og for ibm [17:14] oh [17:14] lotuspsychje: there's nothing on zfs in there afaict. [17:15] sorry confused with zfsdump [17:18] ducasse: is this relevant? edited 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS [17:20] lotuspsychje: yes, but it doesn't point out that it's just for data pools. [17:20] lotuspsychje: it says 'will be fully supported in xenial', so i can see why people are confused. [17:21] dax: wanna take care of this ^ [17:24] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/02/16/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04/ also redirects the kernel reference url [17:24] lotuspsychje: dax: i know it's not officially supported, but here's a guide from the zol people - https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem [17:26] confusing stuff, 16.04 beta1 ? [17:26] isnt xenial supposed to have zfs baked in? [17:27] lotuspsychje: it has the zfs kernel module by default, the tools are in main, but it [17:27] it's only supported on data pools. [17:28] ducasse: so you suggesting we mention this only for data pools in a trigger? [17:28] lotuspsychje: yes, something like that. [17:28] kk [17:28] lets wait until dax is awake :p [17:29] ok, learned a new way to use nmcli to connect to my vpnserver ..quite simple actually ...the nm widget is erroring in my panel [17:29] lotuspsychje: np :) i'm about to call it a night anyway :) [17:29] soupertime here also :p [17:29] laterz guys [17:36] it worked, lotus !! [17:36] oh