[04:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[04:28] <baizon> morning lotuspsychje
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/show-us-your-ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <baizon> https://i.imgur.com/CDIpWyo.gifv
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[08:47] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: got a new tv yet?
[08:47] <EriC^^> nope
[08:47] <EriC^^> kind of decided it was pretty useless
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> we still happy with our 40"
[08:48] <EriC^^> yeah the 32" is ok
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: well if you can watch movies on your lcd pretty nice its also nice
[08:48] <EriC^^> plus the salon isn't that comfortable to sit in and stuff to watch movies in
[08:48] <EriC^^> we pretty much never use it
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i always wanted like a multimedia corner instead of classic tv
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> like where you can browse web and watch movies togheter
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> with keyboard on the salon table
[08:49] <EriC^^> yeah that'd be sweet
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how mythtv is recently
[08:51] <EriC^^> what's mythtv
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> !mythtv
[08:52] <EriC^^> cool
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> morning de-facto
[08:53] <de-facto> Morning guys :)
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> oh, dax made a !releasenotes for xenial
[08:53] <EriC^^> morning de-facto
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> if you guys need to show users whats xenial is about
[08:53] <EriC^^> cool
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> upgrade to xenial is also described
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes
[10:46] <de-facto> Any of your guys ever used USB LTE devices?
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> wb
[11:32] <EriC^^> thank
[11:32] <EriC^^> *thanks
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> dax: awake?
[11:34] <EriC^^> crazy how many people have unallocated space
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> i dont get that either..
[11:34] <EriC^^> yesterday a guy had 150gb unallocated, now this guy has oddest partition scheme with about 20gb unallocated
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> i never liked partitions myself
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> a hd should be used fully in my opninion
[11:35] <EriC^^> me too
[11:35] <EriC^^> such a waste
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: well there are articles mentioning unallocated space can speed up things but...
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> i dont buy that
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> like when ssd's came out, some articles mentioning use only half the ssd to speedup
[11:37] <OerHeks> maybe an article, writen on friday @ 17:59
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> hi hi BluesKaj
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[12:18] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[12:20] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)
[12:21] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[12:21] <pauljw> going well EriC^^ , so far.  early yet. :)  how about you?
[12:22] <EriC^^> it's ok, weather is nice today :)
[12:24] <OerHeks> flower here are growing like weeds
[12:25] <pauljw> that's a plus, we're getting a break in the storms this morning, more on the way tonight.  water laying everywhere.  much better than no water though...
[12:25] <EriC^^> pauljw: which country are you from?
[12:25] <pauljw> US
[12:26] <EriC^^> aha
[12:26] <pauljw> Indiana
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, EriC^^, yeah nice here too, actaully didsome BBQ yesterday ;-)
[12:28] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[12:28] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj , ummm BBQ
[12:29] <BluesKaj> real coals , no gas
[12:29] <pauljw> :)
[12:29] <pauljw> i cheat, mine is gas.
[12:30] <OerHeks> lotus, you have a groupie
[12:30] <OerHeks> :-D
[12:30] <OerHeks> someone talks about sleeping with you, or something like that
[12:30] <pauljw> uh oh...
[12:31] <BluesKaj> stalker
[12:31] <OerHeks> no no pauljw i am not jealous
[12:32] <pauljw> oh, okay, thought there might be some issues on the horizon... lol
[12:32] <OerHeks> pauljw, you don't have groupies?
[12:32] <pauljw> just wife and daughter...
[12:33] <OerHeks> see ..
[12:33] <pauljw> and i am jealous
[13:14] <BluesKaj> ok here goes , just installed the nvidia driver, we'll see if it breaks X on activities again
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[14:02] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, you missed your groupie
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> who what?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> @what time?
[14:03] <OerHeks> mei 11 14:29:23 <R0binh00d>	lotuspsychje, When do you sleep man? :-)
[14:03] <OerHeks> mei 11 14:29:43 <R0binh00d>	cat /dev/some_sleep > lotuspsychje  :-)
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> robinhood is haunting me :p
[14:03] <OerHeks> guy from Gent?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> not sure i dont even know him
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> he started to speak to me yesterday
[14:06] <OerHeks> i guess he loves flowers
[14:06] <OerHeks> i seen him before this week, also wondering about your sleeping
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: welcome :p
[14:29] <ducasse> thank you :)
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: here we share some recent ubuntu topics, to serve #ubuntu better
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the idea is we never really have the chance to speak to each other, so here we are
[14:30] <ducasse> still not familiar with all the #ubuntu-channels, there are quite a few...
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: if you looking for something let us know
[14:31] <ducasse> ok, thanks :) i'm trying to get more familiar with the wiki, i've been hoping to help with updating some of the more outdated pages...
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> oh cool!
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> !contribute
[14:32] <ducasse> there are *many* to choose from :)
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah, 16.04 wiki's being nicely updated now
[14:34] <daftykins> from what TJ has been saying it'll need write ups for all the bugs :(
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: bugs of what?
[14:35] <daftykins> not sure what afflictions he was referring to, but he seemed to think it's been the worst release so far despite being an LTS
[14:36] <daftykins> which is quite the scathing remark!
[14:36] <JanC> "worst" often depend on if they affect you
[14:36] <JanC> depends
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: oh tj was saying he didnt like where unity going
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> all the touch apps,snaps,mobile and such
[14:37] <daftykins> not sure it would've been unity focussed, as i don't think he uses it so i doubt he'd put in any time to fixing bugs with it
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> lucky for us mark says he wont make the mistake twice :p
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> and let us choose for unity7 or 8
[14:37] <daftykins> o0
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> if the largest mass votes unity8, so it will be
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-phone-snappy
[14:43] <OerHeks> one can test unity 8 on mir, this is discusses here some hours ago
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> Lessons learned. And I think the right way to deal with that is make a great unity 8 desktop, use it ourselves, then let people vote, essentially, and signal: ‘this is what we want as the default unity for Ubuntu’.
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> 'mark'
[14:44] <OerHeks> http://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> im not gonna experiment with non-default stuff anymore
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> sticking to the LTS road
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> we will see what 18.04 bring us :p
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: didnt know there was a #ubuntu-unity :p
[14:57] <OerHeks> oh, me too
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Version 4.4.0.22.23 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: all ubuntu versions had recent kernel security issues right
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: perhaps new kernel doesnt get the wifi right?
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> or network card
[15:44] <daftykins> o0
[15:44] <ducasse> no, previous kernel doesn't work either. it did, and this is an *old* driver.
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:44] <ducasse> rtl8169
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> but it happened after an update?
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> wb BluesKaj
[15:45] <ducasse> yes, i was thinking maybe dhclient, because that is what seems to fail.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> thanks lot
[15:45] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje: :-0
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> !info dhclient trusty
[15:46] <ducasse> sorry, i meant dhcp clients in general. whether baked into nm or wherever they may be.
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:47] <ducasse> i had her add an entry for dhcp in /e/n/i, and it fails to get an address.
[15:47] <daftykins> !info isc-dhcp-client trusty
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> realtek smells like realtek driver failing
[15:48] <daftykins> not sure if that's the active one
[15:48] <daftykins> but i have it :D
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah looks that
[15:48] <ducasse> daftykins: that's where dhclient comes from, i would guess :)
[15:49] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: but that driver is very old, and the previous kernel worked before the update.
[15:49] <daftykins> yes that's what i gathered was being pondered
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i recall some fiddling on trusty with realtek cards with linux-firmware
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> many cases such a mess bah
[15:51] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: ok, that might be relevant. thanks, it could show up in the logs if she posts them.
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah im curious
[15:52] <ducasse> i have a card that uses that exact driver here, but that machine is on xenial. i can test, though...
[15:52] <daftykins> who's the user? rings a bell as to a regular :P
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: judy
[15:52] <daftykins> hmm ok nope
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: after a trusty update realtek card not working anymore
[15:54] <daftykins> is it not as simple as a user that followed a guide to make a module and load it, kernel update breaks that, so needs it rebuilt?
[15:54] <daftykins> ho-hum i won't chinese whispers support ;D
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> lets wait for the logs :p
[15:54] <daftykins> ducasse: no pressure! XD
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> opensource brainstorm is the best
[15:55] <ducasse> daftykins: :)
[15:55] <daftykins> i dunno, i much prefer find driver -> download driver -> things work, move on with life! :D
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> if its driver related
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: we can do teleport support to here lol
[15:57] <daftykins> :D
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> user: judy==>trusty realteak card dont work after update==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16364447/
[15:58] <OerHeks> daftykins, you don't speak chinese?
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> nihao
[15:58] <daftykins> not last i checked sir, no
[15:58] <OerHeks> nr 41 with rice
[15:58] <OerHeks> oh ..
[15:58] <daftykins> :)
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> kernel: [434872.942879] r8169 0000:06:00.0 eth0: link down
[15:59] <daftykins> oh man it's a desktop, what
[16:00] <daftykins> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114107
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> NetworkManager[872]: <info> (eth0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40]
[16:03] <daftykins> actually ignore my link, there is talk of an acer EFI in that pastebin... so the hostname is a misnomer
[16:03] <daftykins> a RED HERRING!
[16:03] <daftykins> oh no
[16:03] <daftykins> it actually is the emachines
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> kernel: [    2.869070] r8169 0000:06:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> whatever that means
[16:04] <daftykins> power management perhaps
[16:05] <daftykins> yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_State_Power_Management
[16:05] <daftykins> 10 points \o/
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2280579
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> off for coffee :p
[16:18] <daftykins> mines a caramel latté, thanks!
[16:20] <pauljw> you have go off for coffee... my coffee maker is right behind me.
[16:21] <OerHeks> pauljw, not all of us have employees :-D
[16:21] <pauljw> :)
[16:22] <OerHeks> i should get married too ..
[16:22] <pauljw> heh, i'm the one that makes the coffee most of the time.
[16:22] <OerHeks> oh oke, misunderstood
[16:23]  * OerHeks removing the ad
[16:23] <pauljw> i meant the actual device is right behind me... ;)
[16:24] <pauljw> now i must run to the basement and retrieve the laundry from the dryer... brb.
[16:25] <daftykins> OerHeks: just train Drabber!
[16:26] <de-facto> Any of you guys ever played around with cdc_ncm.ko for usb lte modems?
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl8168e-3_0.0.4 03/27/12 ip=10.10.10.124 latency=0
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> hi nicomachus
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> i think they will give the 29 million to us now :p
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: what will you buy?
[16:44] <OerHeks> i would buy a huge building, to start an opensource-shop
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> can i come work for you then?
[16:44] <OerHeks> with at least 3 rooms where i can put 100 people in
[16:44] <OerHeks> sure
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> awesome!
[16:45] <OerHeks> then we invite pauljw daftykins BluesKaj Ben64 dax DJones EriC^^ and such fine people to give seminars
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:45] <OerHeks> sorry for highlighting you ..
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> the whole world should migrate to opensource like this
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> saving $$$$
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> nice example for starters
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> this is just how we can defeat the dirty politics
[16:47] <OerHeks> yes, communist-revenge
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> our names arent showing in those panama papers :p
[16:48] <BluesKaj> heh, i'd better brush up on my libreoffice chops :-)
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: :p
[16:48] <OerHeks> i'll be standing at the door, checking for legal windows and such
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: the building will have no windows?
[16:49] <OerHeks> only backdoors ..
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> roflol
[16:50] <OerHeks> actually, this is how i get easy to sleep at night
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> how?
[16:50] <OerHeks> dreaming of a huge building for free, etc
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> everyone needs a big dream...im tired of counting thoe sheep!
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> *those
[16:51] <pauljw> :)
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[16:54] <DJones> OerHeks: with my state of mind at the moment, I'd be in no state too give a seminar on anything :)
[16:55] <OerHeks> oh oke .. but we need painters too
[16:56] <OerHeks> just joking, but really, such place would be awesome
[16:56]  * OerHeks is in between jobs at the moment
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: what are you looking for?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> im also still looking for a temporary job to combine the business with
[16:57] <DJones> OerHeks: me too, plus long term sickness waiting for diagnosis, stroke/epilepsy/blackouts etc
[16:57] <OerHeks> i read a lot in our newspapers, about oensource guru's are wanted..
[16:58] <OerHeks> *opensource
[16:58] <OerHeks> http://webwereld.nl/open-source/93441-open-source-helpt-je-bij-het-vinden-van-een-baan
[16:58] <OerHeks> .. but not :-(
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: linux torvalds also advising linux IT jobs
[16:59] <OerHeks> they all want itil and such .. canonical too
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah the skills are crazy...
[17:00] <pauljw> the quarry i retired from is always looking for good help... come on over!!
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: you had an IT job also?
[17:01] <pauljw> not there, i was a laborer, a truck driver the a plant operator.  using shovels, sledge hammers, pick axes and my back
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> ah
[17:01] <pauljw> IT was a decade ago
[17:01] <OerHeks> oh, then i failed because i have no driving license ..
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> i worked at truck & trailer plant for 18 years
[17:02] <OerHeks> or having no smartphone ..
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> you get refused because no mobile?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> wth..
[17:03] <OerHeks> "you should own a smartphone for our time schedule app" meh
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> dear lord..
[17:03] <pauljw> oh boy
[17:03] <pauljw> then they should supply the phoone
[17:03] <pauljw> phone even
[17:03] <OerHeks> well, i am unemployed for some time now, 48 yrs, it is getting tough
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: give me a smartphone, and then ill consider a job at your company...
[17:03] <OerHeks> i refuse an android blob
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> neither here
[17:04] <OerHeks> but starting my own business, i think it is a little risky ..
[17:04] <OerHeks> little big risky
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah its not a great time to invest money
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: if you start a business, stay very low
[17:05] <OerHeks> i would need employees, i guess
[17:05] <OerHeks> maybe someone from ccanonical is reading this, and has an idea..
[17:06] <pauljw> not really, you can be the owner/operator until you grow too big for one employee.
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:07] <OerHeks> i think that happens fast.
[17:07] <OerHeks> unless i win the lottery ..
[17:07] <OerHeks> then i would surely invest.
[17:09] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: how are entries added to ubottu? the 'can i have / on zfs in 16.04?' thing seems to come up a lot...
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: a trustable accountant is halfway a good busines
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: talk to dax if you have a new suggestion, he will look into it
[17:10] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, accountant/taxman/legal, all in house :-)
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes | ducasse mentions zfs
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> og for ibm
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> oh
[17:14] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: there's nothing on zfs in there afaict.
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> sorry confused with zfsdump
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: is this relevant? edited 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
[17:20] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yes, but it doesn't point out that it's just for data pools.
[17:20] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it says 'will be fully supported in xenial', so i can see why people are confused.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> dax: wanna take care of this ^
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/02/16/zfs-is-the-fs-for-containers-in-ubuntu-16-04/ also redirects the kernel reference url
[17:24] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: dax: i know it's not officially supported, but here's a guide from the zol people - https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> confusing stuff, 16.04 beta1 ?
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> isnt xenial supposed to have zfs baked in?
[17:27] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it has the zfs kernel module by default, the tools are in main, but it
[17:27] <ducasse> it's only supported on data pools.
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so you suggesting we mention this only for data pools in a trigger?
[17:28] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yes, something like that.
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> lets wait until dax is awake :p
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ok, learned a new way to use nmcli to connect to my vpnserver ..quite simple actually ...the nm widget is erroring in my panel
[17:29] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: np :) i'm about to call it a night anyway :)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> soupertime here also :p
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys
[17:36] <OerHeks> it worked, lotus !!
[17:36] <OerHeks> oh