[00:01] <doug__> \And I do have a small problem, which I've solved before but doesn't come to mind at the moment, which is how to remove the black borders from all around my monitor when running Linux.  :(
[00:01] <ouroumov> doug__, When you start your computer, after a random delay the software update will run a scan of the Ubuntu update servers and automatically prompt you when you need to install stuff
[00:02] <doug__> Oh, that is a nice feature.  OK, thanks for that!
[00:02] <ouroumov> If you're worried you're not up-to-date, you can also manually trigger the check for updates
[00:03] <ouroumov> About your monitor, maybe check in System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Displays
[00:03] <ouroumov> If you can't solve it from that GUI configuration tool you'll want to look at the manual for the xrandr command.
[00:04] <doug__> Well, I'm a pretty interested person in making sure my stuff is up to date (some people are cat people - so maybe it's ok that I'm a "make sure my compute device is up-to-date) kind of person
[00:05] <doug__> ok! Looking, thanks - nice to be supported in the first 120 seconds I build a lynux device - kind of amazing actually
[00:06] <doug__> linux sorry
[00:06] <enyc> doug__: hahahaha I like tho "some people are cat people"
[00:06] <enyc> doug__: you remind me of the start of this article:
[00:06] <enyc> doug__: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
[00:08] <ouroumov> oh, that was a very good article
[00:09] <doug__> hmm
[00:09] <ouroumov> doug__, you were lucky to get support in under 120 secs, it's not like we watch this window all the time. :)
[00:09] <doug__> not seeing anything about the borders but am thoroughly impressed by this experience
[00:10] <enyc> doug__: look above again
[00:10] <ouroumov> doug__, that said, you were still there after 120 seconds, which increased your chances by quite a lot. A lot of people don't have even that much patience. x)
[00:10] <doug__> I heard about a Rasperry PI and got a couple on Amazon, heard the support community was pretty amazing and am floored - really
[00:11] <ouroumov> It's time for me to eat.
[00:12] <ouroumov> The massive plate of spaghetti awaits!
[00:12] <doug__> I bought a credit card and put it into a cheap case, hooked up left over USB keyboard and mouse and in about 30 minutes I'm talking with people willing to help me literally from the first screen that pops up in (Ubuntu? not sure what I have running .... ugh)
[00:13] <doug__> *credit card sized computer
[00:13] <doug__> ok bye for now, thanks!
[00:13] <enyc> doug__: dos't be surprised to get a hard to solve problem either...  learning to  ask very clearly helpful well worded questions  and post them on mailing lists or forums too  is helpgful...
[00:13] <ouroumov> If you're in this channel you're most likely running Ubuntu MATE versions 15.10 or 16.04 for rpi.
[00:13] <enyc> doug__: don't get "stuck" / annoyed on a single thing impotientyl
[00:13] <doug__> hmm
[00:14] <doug__> ok! thanks again - took me about an hour to get the pi working and now my wife wants my attention too
[00:14] <doug__> so, must multithread
[00:14] <doug__> will be back thanks guys and girls :)
[00:15] <ouroumov> Damn
[00:16] <ouroumov> If he hadn't .join()'ed already I'd have told him the technical term best suited to describe his situation was that he'd just received an interrupt.
[00:19] <joshua__> asdas
[00:19] <joshua__> Hello
[02:15] <eric_> Anyone have a notion why my Pi 3 would tell me my wifi device is not ready when it was working great when I first installed ubuntu mate?
[02:17] <lost_thought> I need some help with ubuntu. Im visiting my folks and my mom wants to get off of windows so i tried installing ubuntu 16.04 and mate on her pc. I have never seen this kind of problem before and don't know where to start. Sometimes the mouse and keyboard and working on the windows in the background. Ok lets say i open firefox. Every thing works. Now with firefox open I also open thunderbird. Ok so thunderbird is on top. But
[02:17] <lost_thought> my mouse and keyboard are still clicking and typing to firefox. After some time of this i loose the ability to click anything. F12 still works for the drop down term which is the only way i can reboot. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening??
[02:26] <pavlushka> lost_thought: may be your keyboard buttons are faulty, that's just a guess, but need to know the pc- configuration, that might help.
[02:31] <lost_thought> every thing works under windows 7. intell 2500k. nvidia 560 ti/ 8 gig ddr3. 256gig ssd. um what els.  i just downloaded the ubuntu mate and normal ubuntu iso and burnded it to a cd. what els can i tell you about the pc. both usb mice and keyboard work under windows and manjaro. but manjaro is to buggy for her
[02:33] <lost_thought> i have not tryed 14.04 yet
[02:35] <lost_thought> basic ubuntu install. erase the the hole disk. format with ext4. i have notest that this problem will show up if i go strait to install ubuntu. i have to click try ubuntu then install from there. if i dont the the mouse stops working on the screen that shows what changes will be made to the disj
[02:36] <lost_thought> disk*
[02:36] <cjbayliss> lost_thought: could to run this and give this link it provides?
[02:36] <cjbayliss> lspci | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[02:38] <lost_thought> yes but it will have to wait till tomorrow. i had to clown windows back over to it so she could use it for now. i guess i was just hopping for some one to say "yeah i had that problem. this is how to get around it" but tomorrw when she gos to work ill run it. i know what lspci is but what is sprunge=<
[02:39] <cjbayliss> lost_thought: basically that posts the output of lspci to http://sprunge.us/
[02:40] <cjbayliss> (my prefered pastbin, because it is plain text)
[02:40] <lost_thought> oooh i see
[02:40] <cjbayliss> e.g: http://sprunge.us/VacP
[02:40] <lost_thought> thats handy
[02:44] <pavlushka> lost_thought: if a working system is a preference over latest release and not for you but for you mom, you should use a more stable release like 14.04.4's, and you can always upgrade to 16.04.1 after the release of 16.04.1 around July, :0
[02:44] <pavlushka> :)
[02:54] <tianlei> hey,guys.Can anyone tell me how to config fcitx
[04:25] <draco_> I have ubuntu 15.10 installed on my machine and for a while I heard many good things about Ubuntu Mate. Is there an official way of installing whole mate desktop from ubuntu mate project on existing installation?if I will install ubuntu-mate-desktop, will that be vanilla mate or mate from ubuntu mate project?
[04:25] <draco_> I don't want to dualboot, I want to have option of choosing different DE on login screen
[04:37] <alkisg> draco_: yes, installing ubuntu-mate-desktop should be fine
[04:37] <alkisg> You can also use virtualbox if you want to test it
[04:38] <cjbayliss> (NOTE: I don't use Ubuntu) One way would be to install tasksel, run 'sudo tasksel' and choose the ubuntu mate option
[04:46] <Guest99618> Hi,. new guy here, just installed ~~
[04:48] <Guest99618> got an old pavillion dv7 - 17" - with an intel core I3 with 6 gig ram,.. i just put in a 250 gig, samsung evo 850 SSD  .. wow !!!
[04:49] <Guest99618> in 23 seconds from power up. i am on web
[06:46] <david_> Hey Linux Community, im new to Linuy and installed it yesterday on my dell xps 13. So far I got 2 issues. 1. My display flickers or blacks out for a sec and 2 I want to implement the vertical down scroll with 2 fingers.
[07:42] <tiox> Who else uses xpad?
[08:40] <danboid> What's Wimpy's IRC nick?
[08:40] <danboid> gordonjcp: Hi!
[08:41] <gordonjcp> danboid: hello
[08:41] <danboid> gordonjcp: How to spot a Wimpy man here?
[08:42] <danboid> He's been a naughty boy! :)
[08:44] <danboid> I may just have to lurk a while longer eh?
[08:49] <alkisg> danboid, what's the issue?
[08:50] <tiox> danboid: wimpy
[08:50] <tiox> He's online atm
[08:50] <danboid> Its a bit OT for this channnel really - I'm wondering when he'll be updating the Arch MATE packages to 1.14? I understand he's been busy with 16.04 recently
[08:51] <tiox> Just sayin' danboid, we call him wimpy because he's wimpy. (Real name is Martin Wimpress.)
[08:52] <danboid> Just wondering if there has been another hold up apart from the usual annoying obvious life and time things
[08:52] <danboid> tiox: Well aware :)
[08:52] <alkisg> Sure, 16.04 support, raspberry pi development, he has a lot in his hands
[08:52] <danboid> I'm suffering Arch version cold turkey now :)
[08:53] <danboid> We're supposed to be bleeding edge over here! :)
[08:53] <tiox> I am truly thankful for the MATE team's efforts. I almost, ALMOST have my Ubuntu 10.10 desktop back thanks to Ubuntu MATE, save for some GTK3 enhancements.
[08:53] <tiox> If only Avant Window Navigator wasn't a casualty in Canonical's plans to dominate all other docks with Unity.
[08:55] <tiox> It might seem dumb to some people, but I had a dock setup that was AWN, with DockbarX inside of AWN thanks to a special package that added a DockX wrapper so it functioned within AWN.
[09:19] <andrews> Hi
[09:19] <andrews> Have few questions
[09:19] <andrews> i am a new user of Ubuntu
[09:20] <andrews> was a windows user for many years,now is a little bit different to tweak this new system
[09:21] <andrews> is easy or hard to set up the encryption of the disk at the beginning when you are installing the system ???
[09:21] <andrews> i didntdo it cause i was worried if it takes too much time
[09:27] <andrews> any suggestions ?
[10:08] <superkuh> Like tiox said, yeah, Ubuntu MATE is great. I'm getting ready to switch over from my 10.04 partition to a new Ubuntu MATE 16.04 install. I've spent the last week or so setting up a test in a VM and it is almost perfectly matching my 10.04 install.
[10:09] <superkuh> Much smoother than my experience with MATE desktop on 12 or Ubuntu MATE on 14.04.
[11:08] <danboid> Wiiiiiiiiiiimpy!?!?
[11:09] <danboid> Am I looking out for a sensible/obvious nick then like mwimp?
[11:18] <alkisg> Nope :)
[12:01] <TwoNotes> Should Ubuntu-MATE boot on an RPi3 with no display connected?  Mine seems to boot only with a display.
[12:04] <gordonjcp> TwoNotes: HDMI?
[12:04] <ouroumov> TwoNotes, it should
[12:04] <gordonjcp> TwoNotes: wonder if it's possible to watch the composite output for clues?
[12:05] <TwoNotes> I would need some sort of special connector for that I think
[12:05] <TwoNotes> The symptom waas that the WiFi never started.  I gave it plenty of time
[12:07] <TwoNotes> And without logging in, pulseaudio never started, so that is another problem.  This is to be a headless music player.
[12:09] <gordonjcp> maybe installing ubuntu server would be a better fit?
[12:10] <gordonjcp> if I was going to make an intentionally headless machine, I wouldn't start with a desktop OS
[12:12] <TwoNotes> I was going to use Ubuntu Server, butwhich of the downloads listed at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/arm is for Rpi3, which I think has a Broadcom chip?
[12:39] <TwoNotes> I was hoping that, after I got it properly configured, there was a way to lobotomize U-M to be a server
[13:36] <tiox> Forum is broken.
[13:53] <Paddy_NI> For some strange reason I cannot access or ping my router on my ThinkPad
[13:53] <Paddy_NI> Running Ubuntu MATE 16.04
[13:56] <Paddy_NI> No proxies or strange firewall rules
[13:56] <Paddy_NI> Very confused
[14:10] <sindre> Howdy good morning/evening
[14:36] <mate|nik> hi
[14:36] <mate|nik> in ubuntu mate for rpi3 is it possible to run all that can be done on ubuntu pc desktop?
[14:37] <gordonjcp> mate|nik: pretty much
[14:38] <gordonjcp> there's a lot of binary-only stuff that won't work on ARM
[14:39] <mate|nik> and that one can be compiled in some way for arm?
[14:49] <pjpmate> community site is unavailable from US
[14:54] <gordonjcp> mate|nik: probably not; if it's binary-only the chances are the sources are unavailable
[14:58] <mate|nik> :( ok! because i want to install this: http://cartodb.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html
[14:59] <mate|nik> do you think that is possible?
[15:08] <gordonjcp> mate|nik: good question; probably
[15:08] <gordonjcp> mate|nik: from experience, OSM tile rendering requires an unholy amount of memory
[15:17] <mate|nik> yes but only for tests do you think that will work? i don't want to use it as server
[15:18] <mate|nik> i tryed to install on raspbian and i was not able to install it
[15:18] <gordonjcp> mate|nik: you really want a fairly meaty machine
[15:21] <pjpmate> mate community is read mode now
[16:40] <r10t> kudos to the community behind ubuntu mate, after trying all of the "mainstream" versions and running into bugs, 16.04 of _this_ release works perfectly...even on my terrible hp laptop :)
[16:41] <Talikka> I noticed Ubuntu Mate is much better translated into Finnish than into Arabic.
[16:43] <Talikka> In my installation the top panel disappeared and I had to create a new user account. I don't know how the panel can be made working again.
[16:44] <Talikka> There was a crash and an error message of mate-panel but it did not succeed in reporting i guess since I couldn't connect to wifi with the panel away.
[17:47] <supusr> I have the intel ¡915 integrated graphics driver for the Intel Core i5-2310 CPU @ 3.2GHz cpu.  Currently I'm using 14.04 and the 4.2.0-36-generic kernel, which appears to be the last kernel to support my graphics.  I cannot get Ubuntu unity or any of the other flavors to work with it in 16.04.  Any suggestions?
[17:54] <ouroumov__> hi supusr
[17:55] <ouroumov__> How far did you get with Ubuntu MATE?
[17:55] <Akuli> supusr, but everything worked in 14.04 with a 4.x kernel?
[18:07] <supusr> So, with MATE, my preference, the beta and alpha versions would install, but with almost unreadable blurry displays (my default is 19820x1080).  I figured the bugs would be ironed out by 16.04, so never complained or installed.  With the release of the LTS final version of 16.04, I had the same problem.  The 4.2.0.36 kernel works, which is why I'm
[18:07] <supusr> now on 14.04, but the new one does not.
[18:08] <supusr> I meant 1920x1080, clearly.
[18:09] <supusr> I want to use 16.04 MATE or Xubuntu, but cannot.
[18:16] <Akuli> I'd suggest sticking with 14.04
[18:17] <Akuli> it'll be supported until 2019, so many good years of lts to come :)
[18:17] <supusr> Yes, that will work for now, but I have older versions of the programs.  Any chance point updates will update the kernel?
[18:17] <Akuli> do you want or don't want to update the kernel?
[18:18] <Akuli> you can apt-mark hold linux* to hold all linux kernel things, i do that on my computers but #ubuntu people think it's a bit of a security issue :)
[18:18] <supusr> I am an intermediate user - if I could learn to do it in order to use my current system with 16.04, I would want to.  My only other solutions would be to stay with 14.04 or get a newer machine.
[18:19] <Akuli> You can install 16.04's kernel in 14.04
[18:19] <Akuli> sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-xenial
[18:20] <supusr> But, if the kernel is the problem, won't that bring the problem with 16.04 into my 14.04 setup?  Wouldn't the better idea be to somehow use the older kernel with 16.04?
[18:22] <ouroumov__> Yes it would
[18:22] <supusr> Is that a possibility?
[18:22] <ouroumov__> What is the kernel in 14.04 by now? 3.14 - something?
[18:22] <supusr> 4.2.0.36
[18:23] <supusr> I think later ones bring the problem with my express chipset.
[18:23] <ouroumov__> That doesn't sound righ
[18:23] <ouroumov__> right
[18:23] <supusr> Just did a screenfetch.
[18:23] <ouroumov__> supusr, did you manually install a higher kernel?
[18:24] <supusr> supusr@cm6850-5:~$ screenfetch
[18:24] <supusr>                           ./+o+-       supusr@cm6850-5
[18:24] <supusr>                   yyyyy- -yyyyyy+      OS: Ubuntu 14.04 trusty
[18:24] <supusr>                ://+//////-yyyyyyo      Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.2.0-36-generic
[18:24] <supusr>            .++ .:/++++++/-.+sss/`      Uptime: 1d 20h 2m
[18:24] <supusr>          .:++o:  /++++++++/:--:/-      Packages: 1909
[18:24] <supusr>         o:+o+:++.`..```.-/oo+++++/     Shell: bash 4.3.11
[18:24] <supusr>        .:+o:+o/.          `+sssoo+/    Resolution: 1920x1080
[18:24] <supusr>   .++/+:+oo+o:`             /sssooo.   DE: Unity 7.2.6
[18:24] <supusr>  /+++//+:`oo+o               /::--:.   WM: Compiz
[18:24] <supusr>  \+/+o+++`o++o               ++////.   WM Theme: Ambiance
[18:24] <supusr>   .++.o+++oo+:`             /dddhhh.   GTK Theme: Ambiance [GTK2/3]
[18:24] <supusr>        .+.o+oo:.          `oddhhhh+    Icon Theme: ubuntu-mono-dark
[18:24] <supusr>         \+.++o+o``-````.:ohdhhhhh+     Font: Ubuntu 11
[18:26] <ouroumov__> Thanks for the flood
[18:26] <ouroumov__> Well anyway
[18:27] <ouroumov__> You can grab any kernel you want and run it on 16.04
[18:27] <ouroumov__> I don't think it'll break a lot of the OS stack
[18:28] <supusr> OK.  I know the commands to get them, but now how to keep them without getting updated kernels.,,
[18:28] <supusr> but not how...
[18:29] <ouroumov__> I think the one time I did that was using synaptic
[18:29] <ouroumov__> Yes
[18:30] <supusr> So, if I understand the experiment you propose, which I am not opposed to trying, I would first install the (blurry) 16.04, then install synaptic, then get the older kernel in place and indicate I would like to keep it.  Sound right?
[18:30] <ouroumov__> You pick the kernel you want, then go to Package and check lock version
[18:31] <ouroumov__> supusr, indeed
[18:31] <ouroumov__> I'm curious to know if it'll work or not.
[18:32] <supusr> OK.  Provided I can see the screen  well enough to do it all, it might work.  I will try it later today.  How can I let you know the result?
[18:32] <ouroumov__> If it doesn't change anything it might be that it's the fault of i915 and not of the kernel
[18:33] <supusr> Yes.  It's worth it to try to find that out.
[18:33] <ouroumov__> supusr, you can just come back here and tell us
[18:34] <supusr> OK.  Iĺl need to wait a bit until I know I have a few hours on the machine, but I'll give it a whir.
[18:34] <supusr> whilr.
[18:34] <supusr> whirl.
[20:21] <danboid> No Wimpy?
[20:28] <pavlos> community website gives me, 400 Bad Request
[20:30] <ouroumov__> hi pavlos
[20:30] <ouroumov__> There is currently restructuring work in progress on the forum
[20:30] <pavlos> hi ouroumov__
[20:30] <pavlos> ok np
[20:31] <ouroumov__> pavlos, availability comes and goes
[20:31] <pavlos> I'll wait
[22:33] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[23:05] <supusr> Ubun+uM@+e
[23:20] <supusr> I was asked to send this info for those who were helping me this morning: For those using the Intel ¡915 integrated graphics driver not supported by the newer linux kernels in 16.14, this is the fix:  install the older kernel that works (linux-image-4.2.0-040200-generic_4.2.0-040200.201510260713_amd64.deb) (and headers), then mark it as locked in s
[23:20] <supusr> ynaptic, then reboot, and it works.  One can now get native resolution 1920x1080 working and thereby use 16.04.
[23:58] <HetroErectus> BUG ALERT! my mate taskbar applets (volume control primarily) stops working ... and there are several steam games that wont start.. such as dota 2