/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/11/#ubuntu-za.txt

mazalMorning04:52
Kiloshi mazal paddatrapper anton_may inetpro  magespawn nlsthzn and others04:53
mazalGaanit oom04:57
Kiloskoud maar ok anders danlie en jy?04:58
Kilosdankie04:58
mazalKarring maar aan04:58
Kilosmorning superfly 04:58
anton_maymornings05:06
paddatrapperMorning Kilos, mazal, autonomy, everyone else05:13
Kiloswhois autonomy05:14
mazalMorning anton_may , paddatrapper05:14
Kiloshow did your python job go05:14
anton_maymorning mazal05:14
paddatrapperAuto correct on anton_may...05:16
Kiloslol05:16
anton_mayyes i'm my own ruler!!!05:16
paddatrapperKilos: it's getting there. Only two things remain: compiling in the GUI file and adding libav to the execution path. Which hopefully will be today's problem to fix05:17
paddatrapperanton_may: lol05:18
magespawngood morning05:26
Kiloshi magespawn 05:26
mazalMorning magespawn05:28
thatgraemeguymornings05:31
Kiloshi thatgraemeguy 05:31
nlsthzno/05:33
mazalMorning thatgraemeguy , nlsthzn05:34
nlsthznso how is everybody in ZA land this morning?05:42
Kiloscold05:42
Kilossend heat05:42
anton_mayNot yet, but apparently the cold and rain :0 will hit Gautendg by the weekend05:43
Kiloseish , im freezing allready05:44
anton_mayoi vey 05:45
nlsthznif I could I would... enough here for both countries and some change05:57
theblazehenhi andrewlsd06:17
theblazehenAnd others06:19
andrewlsdhi theblazehen (and others)06:20
chesedo-morning all07:40
anton_may0/ chesedo07:40
Kiloshi chesedo- 07:54
nlsthzn\m/07:55
* nlsthzn rocks out07:55
Kilosanton_may type first three letters of the nick and hit tab07:55
nlsthznMaaz: tea please07:55
MaazAs soon as the kettle boils nlsthzn I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already07:55
Kilosthen caps and tails are added for you07:55
nlsthznthanks Maaz07:56
KilosMaaz coffee  on07:56
* Maaz puts the kettle on07:56
inetprogood mornings07:58
nlsthznpower out again Maaz?07:58
Kiloshi inetpro 07:58
inetproMaaz: coffee please07:58
Maazinetpro: Sure07:58
nlsthznsup inetpro...07:59
paddatrapperMaaz: tea please07:59
MaazAs soon as the kettle boils paddatrapper I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already07:59
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!08:00
inetproMaaz: dankie08:00
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend08:00
paddatrapperThat actually would be really nice about now... Suppose I'd better wait until I get home08:00
KilosMaaz dankie08:00
MaazGroot plesier Kilos my vriend08:00
theblazehenhi Kilos, chesedo-, anton_may, nlsthzn, inetpro08:03
theblazehenpaddatrapper: 08:03
Kiloshi theblazehen 08:03
paddatrapperHet theblazehen08:04
Kiloshet?08:06
Kiloshet wat08:06
paddatrappers/het/hey08:06
paddatrapperMy autocorrect really isn't with me today08:07
Kilosyou youngsters not supposed to make mistakes08:07
Kiloslol08:07
paddatrapperThe point of being young is so that you have an excuse for the mistake. Lol08:08
Kiloshahaha08:09
=== chesedo- is now known as chesedo
andrewlsdit's pretty chilly down in  /\/¯¯¯¯\/\ today08:15
Kiloslol08:15
Kiloshi andrewlsd 08:15
andrewlsdmy coffee is cold already, barely made it.08:16
andrewlsdhi Kilos 08:16
andrewlsdanyone here played with appear.in?08:16
andrewlsdhttps://appear.in/ubuntu-za?lowData08:17
paddatrapperandrewlsd: I've been in a jersey all day... Luckily not much wind08:27
anton_mayello andrewlsd from my cam08:37
anton_mayisee he is busy on the phone08:37
andrewlsdyip08:38
andrewlsdit's a webRTC video/audio/text chat.. what is nice about it is, you don't need to signup or log in.08:39
anton_mayyip i see so with up 8 ppl08:39
paddatrapperAnd because webRTC is works on phones, etc too08:40
anton_maynice never played with webRTC08:40
andrewlsdpaddatrapper: correct.08:41
* theblazehen wonders how complicated the webRTC protocol is. Perhaps it could serve as a udp equivelant of websockets, for browser games etc08:41
andrewlsdtheblazehen: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Games/Techniques/WebRTC_data_channels08:42
anton_mayi can snoop through my sflows and report back a bit later08:42
theblazehenty andrewlsd08:43
andrewlsdtheblazehen: https://www.cubeslam.com/lyyfqp08:43
andrewlsdtheblazehen: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/03/webrtc-data-channels-for-great-multiplayer/08:44
theblazehenty08:45
andrewlsdmaaz coffee please08:50
Maazandrewlsd: There isn't a pot on08:50
* andrewlsd goes to find his own coffee then08:50
theblazehenMaaz: Coffee on please08:54
Maaztheblazehen: What?08:54
theblazehenMaaz: Coffee on 08:54
* Maaz puts the kettle on08:54
MaazCoffee's ready for theblazehen!08:58
theblazehenty Maaz08:58
urbanslugHello, sluggie is saying hey :D08:59
theblazehenhey urbanslug09:00
urbanslugNothing much, just seeking out community. Like many humans do.09:00
theblazehenyeah09:00
urbanslugtheblazehen: You?09:03
urbanslugAlso working09:03
urbanslugProgramming09:03
urbanslugAs a subset of humans do :D09:03
theblazehenYeah. Waiting for puppet to run..09:03
theblazehen" Running the Puppet deployment. This step may take up to an hour." :(09:04
urbanslugI noticed there may be sheep in this channel. After they overthrow Kilos 09:04
urbanslugtheblazehen: An hour?09:04
urbanslugWhy so? Network things?09:04
theblazehenurbanslug: Installing openshift. That's what the installer script says..09:04
urbanslugAnd the sheep say "Viva la revolution"09:04
theblazehenAnd ZA normally has slower network than most places09:05
urbanslugtheblazehen: Not familiar with openshift :) will find out09:05
urbanslugtheblazehen: You know where I'm from?09:05
theblazehenurbanslug: Familiar with kubernetes? Docker?09:05
theblazehenurbanslug: Nah, where?09:05
urbanslugDocker a little the other one no.09:06
urbanslugtheblazehen: Somewhere in upper north (but still in Africa) which is literally everywhere.09:06
urbanslug:09:06
urbanslug:p09:06
theblazehenAh cool09:07
urbanslugtheblazehen: Kenya09:08
theblazehencool09:08
urbanslugYeah it's been raining for a few days09:08
urbanslugGet it?09:08
theblazehennot really?09:08
urbanslugYOu said cool and I talked about the literally cool weather here?09:08
urbanslugmeh09:09
theblazehenah09:09
theblazehenI wonder if any text editor would understand LF+CR09:09
theblazehenActually, why don't any editors interpret it literally?09:10
theblazehenSay type 40 characters, LF, and you get 40 blank spaces on the 2nd line before your text09:10
urbanslugtheblazehen: How should I do the LF+CR thing?09:11
urbanslugIt didn't do anything in emacs09:11
theblazehenurbanslug: No idea. Hex editor?09:11
theblazehenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline09:11
theblazehenUnix uses LF, windows CR + LF09:11
theblazehen"LF+CR: Acorn BBC and RISC OS spooled text output." Oh, hmm09:12
urbanslugIs there L in Hex?09:12
theblazehenurbanslug: `man ascii`09:12
anton_mayno09:13
theblazehenGet hex value there09:13
urbanslug4c09:13
theblazehenurbanslug: `echo '00000000: 4869 0a48 690a 7465 7374' | xxd -r`09:18
theblazehenDoesn't work the way that would be interesting09:18
theblazehenI think it's only reading the LF though, as that's what unix normally uses09:19
theblazehenNeed to test on windows09:19
theblazehenwine notepad interprets it same as linux. weird09:20
* theblazehen needs to test on real windows. Maybe wine one reads like linux too. I know that windows notepad doesn't do a newline on LF, only CRLF09:21
theblazehenwine notepad breaks on the LF alone09:21
Kiloshaha slugman09:21
theblazehenurbanslug: Check man 7 ascii, at the top of table, it has the NUL, SOH etc there. LF and CR are there09:23
theblazehenInteresting actually. I dunno why we use csv and tsv, and not 'RS  (record separator)'09:23
theblazehenI mean, that is it's purpose..09:23
theblazehensorry, probably looking for US, with RS beig the line feed equivelant then09:24
theblazehenActually, I wish we actually *used* the first 31 ascii characters09:25
theblazehen"EBCDIC systems—mainly IBM mainframe systems, including z/OS (OS/390) and i5/OS (OS/400)—use NL (New Line, 0x15)[2] as the character combining the functions of line-feed and carriage-return. The equivalent UNICODE character is called NEL (Next Line). Note that EBCDIC also has control characters called CR and LF, but the numerical value of LF (0x25) differs from the one used by ASCII (0x0A). Additionally, some EBCDIC variants also 09:27
theblazehenuse NL but assign a different numeric code to the character." Hmm. /me needs to read the man page to try see why people don't like ebcdic09:27
urbanslugtheblazehen: Cool stuff :)09:27
theblazehenurbanslug: Yeah :) I love old computer stuff.09:27
urbanslugtheblazehen: tis well before my time I will have such fun over lunch09:27
theblazehenurbanslug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution if you want :)09:27
urbanslugwasn't that a movie?09:28
* theblazehen has been planning to read it again for a while. /me looks for an audiobook09:28
theblazehenHmm, dunno09:28
kulelu88asdas09:28
theblazehenhi kulelu8809:29
theblazehenAbout time.. puppet part of openshift install is done09:29
kulelu88yo theblazehen 09:29
theblazehenurbanslug: Not a movie. Good09:31
theblazehenhttp://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/hackers-heroes-of-the-computer-revolution/248513 Hmm. I hope there isn't drm09:32
theblazehenI'm sure there probably is09:32
theblazehenNothing pulseaudio can't get rid of :)09:32
kulelu88what you installing on openshift? theblazehen 09:33
theblazehenkulelu88: I'm just trying it out, seeing how it works09:33
theblazehenI had ubuntu server set up at home with kvm and lxd. Liked that. Raid died though. 2(!) drives failed in the first week09:33
kulelu88theblazehen: are you oom Kilos son?09:34
theblazehenkulelu88: Nope09:34
kulelu88LXD confuses me (a bit). I know LXC good enough, but from what I understand, LXD is like Docker09:35
theblazehenkulelu88: Not quite09:36
theblazehenLxd is basically a way of managing lxc containers09:36
Kiloshaha09:36
Kiloskulelu88 wolfeyes is my son09:36
theblazehenI like it because it "just works" (haven't tried plain lxc on ubuntu, only arch), but with lxd on ubuntu I can use lxc (the lxc client, not actual lxc. Yes, confusing) to connect from arch and it works09:37
kulelu88theblazehen: CLI manager? But from what I know, you get access to the base image as well?09:37
theblazehenkulelu88: How do you mean by the base image?09:37
theblazehenlxc also overlayfs, lxd makes that easier with their profiles or defaults or whatever they call it, but I just use it to start the basic containers09:38
kulelu88in LXC, it just pulls the image. in LXD, you can customize settings for the base image 09:38
theblazehenAh yes. It has access to the same base images as normal lxc09:38
kulelu88this is what I use to manage my LXC containers: http://pymag09.github.io/lxc-ui/09:39
theblazehenYeah. Haven't fiddled too much. Only had it running for like 2 days before the disks failed (Never getting seagate again.. Were on special, though even if 1 fails I still get a good deal. Then 2 failed. Raid 5 doesn't like that :()09:39
theblazehenAh, cool09:39
andrewlsdurbanslug: Kenya is nice.09:40
andrewlsdLXD does use LXC containers though. LXC containers are nice if you want something that is more permanent, server-like09:43
andrewlsdbut lighter on resources09:43
andrewlsdas compared to Docker, which you shouldn't be patching your docker containers, you should destroy them and deploy new ones.09:43
andrewlsdend of TL;DR09:43
superflypaddatrapper: ping09:43
andrewlsdhi superfly  :-)09:43
theblazehenhey superfly09:44
superflysup theblazehen, andrewlsd09:44
andrewlsdkulelu88: nice LXC pymag link, thanks.09:44
paddatrapperHey superfly09:45
superflypaddatrapper: here's the build script my project uses: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/packaging/view/head:/windows/windows-builder.py09:46
paddatrapperThanks. I'll take a look09:46
andrewlsdtheblazehen: you going to set up a matrix.org server in your openshift?09:49
andrewlsdmatrix.org looks like an interesting project09:50
theblazehenandrewlsd: Nah. Just testing it on local VM here. Gonna test the remaining 2 drives, maybe do a raid 1, then set it up on ubuntu server again09:50
andrewlsdtheblazehen: remember mhddfs09:50
theblazehenJust plain lxd, docker and kvm :)09:50
andrewlsdHip, hip who raids?09:51
theblazehenandrewlsd: yeah. Not gonna try split data across drives though. Right now I just want to ensure that *one* drive at least works :(09:51
kulelu88andrewlsd: I plan on working on a tool to update LXC containers without destroying them09:51
theblazehenRaid on the pc I had set up before the 2 drives failed. Have 32 GB ram going to waste at the moment..09:51
theblazehen:(09:52
andrewlsdouch. 32GB unused ram, yes, that is a waste. Rectify it immediately ;-)09:52
theblazehenandrewlsd: As soon as I have a chance.. :(09:53
theblazehenWas literally working until like 1:30 this morning. Did I mention I hate php?09:53
andrewlsd:-P09:54
andrewlsdwith a PhPassion09:54
andrewlsdhmm. can you get a PhD in Php09:54
theblazehenEspecially 10 year old php, that assumes that the domain you're referring to is to the left of the tld. Gotta work around it for doing debug.site.tld.example.com now :(09:55
andrewlsd... did you rewrite all the functionality in a python flask?09:55
theblazehen*i*? no thanks09:55
kulelu8810 years old? is that PHP4?09:55
theblazehenandrewlsd: I wish..09:55
theblazehenkulelu88: Could be09:55
theblazehenSome old oscommerce shop09:55
kulelu88test a PHP5 command on it.09:55
theblazehenkulelu88: Code is running on a new server with php 6 :)09:56
kulelu88there's no point repairing/fixing old PHP. it has enough holes to get infected very very quickly09:56
theblazehenMoved from an old gentoo box updated in 200909:56
andrewlsdit's time to replace that oscommerce .09:56
theblazehenkulelu88: Yeah. Ads soon as I can I'm gonna get each site running in a docker09:56
andrewlsdkulelu88: that's not a bug, it's a feature.09:57
kulelu88theblazehen: that won't protect it LOL09:57
kulelu88you need a firewall09:57
theblazehenandrewlsd: Heh..  We have at least 10 different sites with heavy modifications to the framework etc, and new ones being actively developed based on the oxid shop system09:57
theblazehenkulelu88: That kills the sales09:57
andrewlsdtheblazehen: unfavourable side-effect :-P09:58
theblazehenandrewlsd: Not my decision to make unfortunately :/09:58
theblazehenBest we can do is seperate LEMP running in docker for each site09:59
andrewlsdwith trickled (so that performance is horrible, then you can say "it would be better if we do the new version")10:00
theblazehenandrewlsd: Time better spent on working on the new sites10:00
andrewlsdyip10:01
kulelu88theblazehen: docker is not meant to be running processes like that though. you need to split M and P10:01
andrewlsdfor me: IRC > slack/rocket.chat10:01
theblazehenkulelu88: Yeah. confession: I'm more of a config management in a container kind of guy10:01
theblazehenandrewlsd: Agreed. That's why I linked to matrix.org in rocket chat, has an irc interface10:02
theblazehenfederated too, no need for multiple chat clients for each service10:02
theblazehenIn theory10:02
* andrewlsd channels "The Offspring": you got to keep it federated.10:02
theblazehenFreenode really needs to actually hook up to the matrix network. Perhaps I should contact them. Worst case I run a server (You don't need *huge* specs for it, and connect it myself)10:03
theblazehenOh, nice! https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode/10:03
theblazehen'/join #freenode_#channelname:matrix.org' Oh come on!10:04
andrewlsdwootness.10:04
theblazehenI want to /join #ubuntu-za:freenode.org10:04
theblazehenThat's the *whole point* of being federated!10:04
andrewlsdmatrix.org as an IRC bouncer.10:04
andrewlsdwith endless history.10:05
theblazehenYeah. 10:05
andrewlsd(coz I don't like using irssi )10:05
* theblazehen is using quassel. Quite nice10:05
theblazehenQt based though10:05
andrewlsdtheblazehen: QT whilst you're ahead.10:05
theblazehenIt ran fine even on a 512 MB digital ocean droplet, and has a nice android app10:05
andrewlsdmebbe it's time to try again.10:06
theblazehenandrewlsd: I don't like the whole kde theme "feel", too much rounded corners and stuff. And I've tried themes10:06
theblazehenAlso try out weechat, I want to use it again when I have time to configure it. Also has a web interface and android app10:06
kulelu88IRC is not really federated if we're all using freenode. same issue with slack then10:07
andrewlsdwas just about to say, theblazehen, that I was going to go install arch+kde soz to not use GTK stuff.10:07
theblazehenFedora with kde here now..10:07
andrewlsdugh.10:07
andrewlsdFedora always had the 2nd worst KDE.10:07
andrewlsdworst goes to CentOS10:07
theblazehenkulelu88: Yeah, but matrix is federated. I'm saying we should be connecting to freenode via matrix, not that freenode is federated. It's basically just a proxy through matrix.org's server.10:08
* andrewlsd goes to rinse his eyes with vinegar.10:08
theblazehenandrewlsd: Yeah, was *okay* on arch too. But I can't deal with it's multi monitor :(10:08
theblazehenAwesomeWM has independant workspaces / display, kwin not :(10:08
andrewlsd^ theblazehen has some hectic multimonitor stuff going on10:08
theblazehenI really like kde now..10:08
Kiloslol10:08
theblazehenandrewlsd: Yup. 9280x2560 I think10:09
kulelu88so there is a linux OS where each workspace can have its own screen?10:09
Kiloskde rocks10:09
andrewlsdtheblazehen: Plz share/explain your monitor set ups here. Just soz these peeps can know.10:09
andrewlsdhow many graphics cards, how many workspaces.... 10:09
kulelu88theblazehen: you using a proxy?10:09
theblazehenkulelu88: a wm to be specific10:09
theblazehenresolution is 9280x256010:10
theblazehen2x vertical 2560x1440 monitors on the left10:10
theblazehen1x normal 4k monitor in the middle, and another 2560x1440 on the right10:11
theblazehenAll displays are powered with 1 GTX 980, but I have 2x GTX 970's also, for cryptocurrency mining10:11
Kilosyou getting as bad as symmetria10:11
andrewlsdtheblazehen: are you at broadcast depth now (in the Nebuchadnezzar)?10:11
paddatrapperkulelu88: you could use i3. By default each monitor will have a workspace10:11
kulelu88paddatrapper: i3 being a .deb package? 10:12
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Yeah, on awesomewm each monitor has 10 workspaces :) On i3 theyre shared10:12
kulelu88theblazehen: we need pics 10:12
theblazehenhttp://imgur.com/gallery/9qITRRc older pic10:12
paddatrapperi3wm10:12
andrewlsdtheblazehen: +110:12
paddatrappertheblazehen: og cool. I kinda like the shared access. Makes them easier to switch between.10:13
andrewlsdand theblazehen, that little JBL is a goodie.10:13
theblazehenandrewlsd: Yeah, it is10:13
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Yeah, makes sense10:13
kulelu88and you code in PHP? theblazehen :D10:13
theblazehenI normally use 3-7 workspaces on each disaply, so not an option here..10:14
theblazehenkulelu88: When I have to10:14
theblazehenWhich is pretty much 20-40 hours / week10:14
theblazehenSometimes more :/10:14
kulelu88what's your day job? theblazehen 10:14
paddatrappertheblazehen: how?? I struggle to fill 5 workspaces total on a busy day of programming10:14
theblazehenkulelu88: I work with andrewlsd10:15
theblazehenpaddatrapper: I'll try to get a busy shot sometime :)10:15
andrewlsdbut kulelu88 , I don't think we make theblazehen use PHP.10:15
theblazehenandrewlsd: Yeah :p Python ftw here10:15
theblazehenphp is at my night / weekend job10:15
kulelu88andrewlsd: where do you guys work? 10:15
theblazehenkulelu88: lsd.co.za10:15
andrewlsdwe are everywhere__10:16
paddatrappertheblazehen: do you have a link to that background anywhere?10:16
theblazehenpaddatrapper: It's a cron job that generates it :)10:16
theblazehenhttps://github.com/TomSmeets/FractalArt10:16
paddatrapperThat's an interesting way of doing it!10:17
kulelu88IT Ninjas :P10:17
andrewlsdkulelu88: did you play with SailfishOS?10:17
kulelu88shit, you guys are using all the keywords :P Guru, Rockstar, Magician 10:18
theblazehenandrewlsd: Did you? I *really* want one of those phones10:18
* theblazehen was even planning on porting it to work on my note 210:18
theblazehenNot even gonna try for my note 4 :(10:18
kulelu88I'm waiting for the ubuntu phone10:18
theblazehenkulelu88: Meh10:19
theblazehenDon't like it's snappy apps10:19
theblazehenI just want to install a .deb or .rpm on my phone10:19
theblazehenneo900.org :)10:19
kulelu88Does your office have fibre? andrewlsd 10:20
andrewlsdwhere theblazehen is, yes. But yesterday our Fibre provider had an outage.10:20
andrewlsdwhere I am, DSL.10:20
theblazehenandrewlsd: And the day before..10:20
andrewlsd... outage was a routing problem, not a connectivity one.10:20
theblazehenyeah10:21
kulelu88that first comment below your imgur image rings true with fibre 10:21
theblazehenandrewlsd: Sent rocket.chat message10:21
paddatrapperI want to try port Ubuntu to my note 2 and tab 2... Just need to find time!10:21
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Most of the work for n7100 is done. Do you have n710 or n7105?10:22
kulelu88sailfish is better suited for mobile porting10:22
theblazehenEasy to port, just add lte modules10:22
theblazehenkulelu88: Indeed. Based on mer framework10:23
paddatrappern710010:23
paddatrappertheblazehen: ^10:23
theblazehenAh. Easier then. There's even an image for you to download and flash :)10:23
* theblazehen misses my old phone10:23
kulelu88n7100 = nokia?10:24
theblazehenNah :) Samsung galaxy note 2 without lte10:24
theblazehenI miss my nokia 5530.. Which would have issues playing a 64kbit mp3 stream, having a web browser open and a text editor10:25
paddatrapperNice phone. Though I've lost my SPen ...10:25
theblazehen!FUN! fact: That's where I really started learning programming. Before I just used QBASIC / Visual basic 510:25
kulelu88theblazehen: did you go for geekconf? 10:25
theblazehenThen I got a AMP stack on my phone.. 10:26
theblazehenThen 000webhost with a ftp sync cient. First "proper" language was therefore php. Still remember when I enjoyed it.. Was still favourite language in 2013/2014 or so10:26
theblazehenkulelu88: Nah10:26
theblazehenWhere / when was that?10:26
kulelu88http://www.geekfest.co.za/about-geekfest/10:28
kulelu88I only saw it last week10:28
theblazehenI almost miss coding with a tiny screen, T9 keyboard because qwerty was too slow.. Of course no syntax hilighting10:28
theblazehenCould mess around in the system directories easily, unlike android etc10:28
theblazehenWow, I must be the only person that misses Symbian10:29
theblazehenty for link kulelu8810:29
* andrewlsd liked Symbian too.10:29
* theblazehen even installed a custom rom, brought some of the 5800 features, and had a lock screen with widgets :)10:29
kulelu88Symbian wasn't exactly open source though10:29
theblazehenkulelu88: Yeah10:30
theblazehenWell, android wasn't much of a thing really. I actually wanted an early android but got that instead10:30
kulelu88apparently hackers had the private keys to do MitM attacks for updates to symbianOS10:30
theblazehenWasn't hard actually. IIrc the one way I "rooted" it was like that10:31
paddatrapperI still have a Symbian phone that's going strong10:33
paddatrapperNokia E6310:34
kulelu88even paddatrapper looks like he is using a proxy 10:35
paddatrapperNope. Just a vps sitting in France10:35
* andrewlsd goes off to install more Zimbra.10:36
theblazehenpaddatrapper: You also use quassel right?10:44
theblazehenI used http://phoneky.com/applications/?id=y1y33610 as my symbian homescreen10:48
paddatrappertheblazehen: weechat10:49
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Nice10:49
paddatrapperI like it because it works nicely with ssh. So, no matter the machine I sit down at, I can still connect10:50
* theblazehen wonders if I should use haproxy or nginx as reverse proxy at home10:50
theblazehenYeah10:50
theblazehennginx will work with letsencrypt, which is neat10:51
* theblazehen want to stop paying for dedicated server, but I'm running a mirror service and don't really wanna take it down :(10:51
kulelu88do you have a static IP?10:51
theblazehenNah, dhcp. 10:51
theblazehendynamic dns10:51
theblazehenhttp://mirrors.theblazehen.com/bandwidthReport.html nevermind. Not many people using my mirror10:52
theblazehenMostly just the tor node10:52
andrewlsdtheblazehen: you could probably get a static IP for a few bucks.10:58
kulelu8850 rand I think10:58
kulelu88does anybody tinker with jquery here?10:58
superflykulelu88: I wrote a few plugins in my past life11:01
kulelu88superfly: maybe I can tinker with your brain for some assistance11:02
Kiloslol11:02
superflykulelu88: hold on why I unscrew my head11:03
Kilosyou time travel as well11:03
superflys/why/while/11:03
theblazehenandrewlsd: My ip hasn't changed since I got this adsl line (2 months? 3?)11:03
theblazehenSo either way, it's basically static, no problem if it occasionally changes11:03
theblazehenI still wouldn't run my dns ns at home though11:04
andrewlsdtru11:13
andrewlsdbut why would you have to?11:13
kulelu88I'll catch up later. Will send you the code if you around superfly 11:16
theblazehenandrewlsd: I wouldn't. Was trying to make a joke..11:18
andrewlsd:-( sorry theblazehen .11:19
theblazehenEh, didn't come across the best with text11:20
andrewlsdan IRC client that interpreted markdown would be *very nice*11:20
theblazehenandrewlsd: IIRC kiwiirc does. Don't wanna deal with that though..11:21
theblazehenAlthough with Franz I'm almost liking web apps for chat11:21
andrewlsdkiwi is quite a pretty webclient11:21
theblazehenhttp://meetfranz.com/11:21
theblazehenThink you just need to extract atom.asar, edit services.js and add a template for each new service11:21
superflyinetpro: WHY?! http://dha.gov.za11:46
Kilospower returned11:52
superflyKilos: I always find that a good whipping session with the hamsters gets their wheels turning again.11:55
theblazehensuperfly: inetpro broke it?11:56
superflytheblazehen: no, but he knows who to whip11:56
inetprouh oh!11:56
theblazehenah11:56
superflyinetpro: it's not down, it's just stupid11:57
inetproNo DNS records11:57
superflyinetpro: try www.11:57
superflyinetpro: please fix stupid.11:57
superfly:-P11:57
inetprosuperfly: just use http://www.dha.gov.za/11:57
superflyinetpro: I did. I shouldn't have to.11:57
inetproai!11:57
* inetpro obviously controls it all11:58
superflyNo, ai! is that it doesn't work without the www. It doesn't even redirect. It just fails11:58
superflyinetpro: of course you do11:58
theblazehenheh, so we found out why internet was down yesterday. It's retarded.. Apparently upstream provider blocked our isp because someone on our isp's network was doing a dos. In that case *why* could we still send packets out, but just not receive any? I tested with udp, sending was fine, just nothing got received..11:58
theblazehenWe need xkcd.com/80611:58
theblazehenI think that's the number11:58
theblazehenThe tech support one11:59
inetproMaaz: coffee on11:59
* Maaz flips the salt-timer11:59
inetproMaaz: quick now12:00
* inetpro needs needs a cup 'o joe12:00
Maazinetpro: What?12:00
superflytheblazehen: that's the eone12:01
superfly*one12:01
theblazehencool12:03
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro!12:03
theblazehenNot sure if it's cool or embaressing that I remmember the numbers..12:03
inetproshibboleet!12:04
Kiloshahaha12:04
Kilossee inetpro everyone knows you are to blame12:04
inetprono worries, I'll fix it soon12:05
theblazehenLets see: 705:duty calls, 383: helping, 686 admin mourning, 327 bobby tables, 12:05
Kilosyou need to run training courses on maintenance12:05
theblazehenI think that's it12:05
Kilosblue waters hotel transormer popped last night because when it leaked its cooling oil it was left for another days repairs12:06
theblazehenIs 604 the one with bios error codes?12:06
theblazehenumm.. 349 the one where a bsd install ends up with sharks?12:07
inetprotheblazehen: haha, you have/had way too much time on your hands12:08
theblazeheninetpro: Yes :(12:08
theblazehenHell, xkcdrandom.theblazehen.com12:08
inetproyikes!12:08
theblazehenI *really* like xkcd..12:09
theblazehenI have xkcd volume 0 (printed comics, with notes by randall!), what if book and thing explainer12:09
theblazehenBut yeah, xkcd got me through some shitty times, so I obviously love it12:10
* theblazehen wants a tablet I can stick up on my wall or something to show all messages from irc, and some server monitoring etc. No need to waste a proper display on it. 12:14
theblazehenhmm12:14
theblazehenMaybe a 8" or 10"12:14
theblazehenor something12:14
Kilospaddatrapper you here?12:15
theblazehenOr maybe ipad size, have 3 columns (irc, server monitors, (ZAR/USD, BTC/ZAR rates, time, weather))12:15
theblazehenThat sounds like a good idea..12:15
paddatrapperKilos: yeah I am12:15
magespawntheblazehen: did you see the xkcd that was an endless scrolling picture?12:16
Kiloshave you those links for the phoenix game project for me please12:16
theblazehenmagespawn: Which? Click and drag and the coins one both are12:16
Kilosi want to give them to the lady that is going to do the kiswahili translations12:17
* theblazehen still needs to watch Time. I'm an embarresment to xkcd fans..12:17
* theblazehen is even on the xkcd irc server (foonetic)12:17
urbanslugYaaaay standing desks at work12:17
Kilosurbanslug are you going to help redempta12:18
urbanslugKilos: Hello12:18
urbanslugIs she having issues?12:19
Kilosor does she know xml12:19
urbanslugI could call her12:19
urbanslugOh she doesn't12:19
Kilosnot started yet she is waiting for mike to supply info12:19
Kiloshe was out of the country12:19
urbanslugShe's a pleasure to work with, right?12:19
Kilosyes12:19
Kilosthem you will need to help her i think12:20
Kiloscant you try get her on irc12:20
Kilosuse my channel12:20
Kilos##kilos12:20
Kilosteach her man12:20
Kilosemailing is a pain12:20
paddatrapperKilos: http://raisingphoenicia.com/12:21
Kilosand the one with the xml stuff paddatrapper ?12:21
paddatrapperhttp://raisingphoenicia.com/localization12:21
Kilosw0000t12:21
Kilosty12:21
paddatrapperAny time12:22
Kilosurbanslug go zipper man12:22
urbanslugHey I was on phone with her12:23
Kilosurbanslug i will mail her the links now so if you can call her and tell her mail with links is coming that will be good and tell her you will do the xml for her12:23
Kilosis that ok?12:23
urbanslughaha you want me to teach her how to IRC? You know that's hard12:23
Kilosshe has a pc right12:24
urbanslugKilos: Well what do you mean by doing the XML for her? I have no idea what you guys are doing tbh12:24
Kilosinstall an irc client with my channel setup 12:24
Kiloshttp://raisingphoenicia.com/localization12:24
urbanslughmmm idk whether she has  a PC12:24
Kilosthat english has to be translated to swahili12:25
urbanslugUh I work full time, I'm not sure. It depends on how much work is needed.12:25
Kilosand words spoken and recorded12:25
urbanslugKilos: Dude that's tons of work :) 12:25
Kilospaddatrapper how much work12:25
Kiloslol12:25
urbanslugLet me google that word12:25
Kilosits for the futures of many thousands of kids man12:25
paddatrapperIt is as much work as we make of it, though to be useful I'd say quite a bit!12:26
urbanslugKilos: :D12:26
Kiloshehe12:26
paddatrapperBut first thing that needs to happen is we need to work out what words and phrases to use and in what order12:26
urbanslugis paddatrapper a bot?12:26
Kilosone has to make some sacrifices in life12:26
urbanslugOk12:26
paddatrapperurbanslug: Who me? :P12:26
urbanslugI googled the word12:27
urbanslugand found a github user12:27
Kilosno he is doing the afrikaans translation for us12:27
Kiloswhat word12:27
urbanslugpaddatrapper: 12:27
paddatrapperNickname from shoes I used to wear12:27
Kiloshahaha12:27
anton_maywill make a lot of sacrifices in life but will never give up on 2 ply toilet paper :D12:27
Kiloshahahaha anton_may 12:27
paddatrapperHaha12:27
urbanslugOk uh Kilos yes if it'll help many kids in the world12:27
urbanslugAlso let me PM you12:27
nlsthznany peeps here minecraft players that could test if my server is actually reachable outside my home network?12:27
Kilosok12:28
theblazehennlsthzn: I can try netcat12:28
nlsthznthanks theblazehen12:29
nlsthznpm sent12:29
nlsthznthanks again theblazehen12:31
urbanslugKilos: Hey12:31
theblazehenCool :) glad to help12:31
nlsthznminecraft server and dynamic dns all working :)12:32
nlsthzneven using screen12:32
nlsthznthe skillz are of the hook12:32
urbanslugKilos: I get it man12:32
Kilosurbanslug have you called her already12:32
nlsthzn:p12:32
Kilosyou get what12:33
urbanslugWe can't just keep whining about the world12:33
urbanslugWe gotta do something to fix it12:33
Kiloswho is wining12:33
urbanslugI'm excited dude12:33
* nlsthzn watched Deadpool last night and has to stop himself from being inapropriate >.<12:33
urbanslugI'm at work12:33
Kilosyes thats what we are doing12:33
urbanslugKilos: ^512:33
urbanslugLet me call her and ask her to check her mail12:34
Kilosfor evil to flourish all it takes is for the good to sit back and do nohing12:34
urbanslugIssue is I work 9-6 Mon to Fri with lunch break12:34
urbanslugbut I can push myself. I already do12:34
* nlsthzn likes to water da evile from time to time12:34
Kilosafter 6 is enough time12:35
nlsthznnow I need to check out to disable peeps printing and scannign to my printer via the web interface >.<12:35
Kilosill ask her to feed you12:35
Kiloshehe12:35
Kilosif she can get on irc then it can be discussed better12:36
Kilosbut then she wont feed you12:36
anton_maySo this is interresting SQL Server 2016 Developer Edition will be free12:36
urbanslugKilos: Just talked to her12:39
Kilosyes?12:39
urbanslugShe'll check email. SHe has a PC. I assume windows so I will find a way to use windows and set up IRC. I assume mIRC still lives.12:40
urbanslugSo she'll check her mail. All is good.12:40
Kilosas far as i know yes12:40
Kilosty for your help12:40
Kiloskeep eyes open for someone that can record well12:41
nlsthznurbanslug: hexchat works in windows12:43
nlsthznand is free in all the ways12:43
Kilosyay12:44
Kiloswell done12:44
Kilosi knew i had the right slug12:44
Kilosmike is putting more stuff together for us too12:44
Kilospaddatrapper dont let nuvolari get too slack12:45
Kiloskeep him motivated when you have time12:45
Kiloshehe12:45
paddatrapperWill do. Once the exam period is over12:45
Kiloscool ty12:46
Kilosyes dont slack off on studies12:46
paddatrapperSo tempting...12:46
Kilosnono igts your future you are playing with12:46
paddatrapperI know. And I'm enjoying varsity, just sitting down and studying sucks12:47
urbanslugKilos: Record?12:47
urbanslugLOL you fail to know what kind of person I am :D12:47
Kilosword sounds urbanslug 12:47
Kilostell me then12:48
* urbanslug is a hermit12:48
Kilosthen i know what size hammer to use12:48
urbanslugatheist hermit12:48
Kilosim a hermit too12:48
Kilosbeachbum12:48
urbanslugLOL really? You seem like the outgoing kind with many friends12:48
Kilosbut i believe in helping others get ahead where i can12:49
urbanslugTrue12:49
Kiloswell how come you chat to me12:49
urbanslughmmm because I want FOSS and the community to win12:49
Kilosgood man12:49
urbanslugGotta get back to work12:50
Kiloswhy do you think we have the africa channel12:50
urbanslugTalk maybe at 612:50
Kilosgo lad ty12:50
urbanslugTrue maybe we should move all these people there12:50
Kilosno man i meant to get like minded people together to work together12:50
Kilossjoe i need to retire13:00
Kilostheblazehen you can take over13:00
Kilosyou also say lots13:00
theblazehenHeh, yeah13:00
anton_may'n stil bek is 'n heel bek13:15
theblazehenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw13:34
anton_maylol yip13:36
urbanslugI learned today that Elon Musk is South African 0.o13:52
urbanslugAll hail you guys!!13:52
theblazehenYeah, he's awesome13:53
superflyurbanslug: you know that Mark Shuttleworth is also South African?13:53
theblazehenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw13:53
paddatrapperOne is never fluent in Javascript, simply proficient with JQuery13:54
superflyheh13:55
superflypaddatrapper: have you tried AngularJS?13:56
paddatrapperI haven't actually. Don't do much web dev13:56
paddatrapperPrefer more imbedded/back-end stuff13:57
paddatrappertheblazehen: Thanks I now have a playlist for the rest of the day. Haven't listened to Weird Al in years13:57
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Nice :) Have you heard all about the pentiums? Also, check out monzy as well (Kill dash nine is good)13:58
theblazehenwb andrewlsd13:58
paddatrappertheblazehen: I haven't, but will certainly check them out!13:59
anton_mayok off to home, sees ya all tomorrows13:59
nlsthznall about the pentiums14:00
theblazehencheers anton_may14:00
nlsthznhttps://youtu.be/qpMvS1Q1sos14:00
andrewlsdtheblazehen: Weird Al for the win14:02
andrewlsdyou wanna be hackers, code crackers ....14:02
theblazehenReminds me from something in the movie Hackers14:02
magespawnhome time. chat later all14:03
theblazehencheers magespawn14:03
theblazehen"If the phone did put out enough energy to levitate a snowflake by radiation pressure, the power flowing through the snowflake (a few kilowatts) would quickly cause the snowflake to become a raindrop, which would quickly become water vapor, which would quickly become the least of your problems." - http://what-if.xkcd.com/87/14:04
andrewlsdtheblazehen: RISC it's the future (from Hackers)14:07
andrewlsdthings that didn't quite happen.14:07
theblazehenandrewlsd: It sure is! (Seriously, arm? And x86 is risc internally)14:08
nlsthznwell arm is slowly taking over the world :p14:08
nlsthznninja's by theblazehen14:08
nlsthzn*ninja'ed14:08
andrewlsdnlsthzn: taking over except for PC stuff. (so lots of arm in mobile, and embedded-type stuff)14:08
nlsthznarm clusters are looking good in the server space... just need lots of em :p14:09
andrewlsdtheblazehen: "x86 is risc internally" ? care to elaborate?14:09
nlsthznvery power efficient 14:09
andrewlsdthe more arm you have/need, the less power/heat benefit there seems to be14:09
andrewlsdso certain cases, where minimal CPU processing like just serving cached info.14:10
andrewlsd... might suit arm. 14:10
theblazehenandrewlsd: All the instructions are converted to a risc like thing by the microcode. 14:10
andrewlsdbut for the heavy lifting other arch's are better14:10
* nlsthzn is more interested in GPU power now than CPU... the new GTX1080 seems to be a monster14:10
urbanslugsuperfly: Yes14:10
theblazehenhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/5806589/why-does-intel-hide-internal-risc-core-in-their-processors14:10
theblazehennlsthzn: Yeah.. Me with my lowly GTX 980.. :(14:10
andrewlsdty theblazehen 14:10
theblazehenTempting14:10
* nlsthzn only has a 770 :/14:11
theblazehenHmm, pasting link deleted text I typed. Not much of a loss though14:11
nlsthznand not even an old one at that14:11
* andrewlsd has a mobile GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]14:11
* theblazehen has even given my brother a spare 970.. He had a 'broken" 550 Ti beofre14:11
nlsthznand I don't see a 980 as being lowly :p14:11
theblazehenIt didn't work in windows, doesn't work with proprietary nvidia drivers, but nouveau works14:11
theblazehennlsthzn: Compared to the 1080 it is14:12
nlsthzneven a titan x seems like an under achiever compared to it (on paper) :p14:12
* superfly has an intel onboard. take that!14:12
theblazehenYeah. I hope they have increased interger performance significantly, although the 900 series did quite well14:13
theblazehensuperfly: I was happy with my HD4600 for quite a while14:13
theblazehen"Furthermore, Intel knows exactly how important that commitment is, because they once tried to go a different way. Exactly how many people do you know with an Itanium CPU?!?" I had one..14:15
theblazehenWindows xp 64 bit ftw (Was decent at the time, then I moved to longhorn. Debatably the best windows version)14:15
nlsthznthe latest intel on the new i7's are decent 14:15
nlsthzngpu's I mean14:16
theblazehenYeah. I only got the i7-4790k, missed out on that :( Still, was faster than the 550Ti I had14:16
theblazehenAnd faster than the GT210..14:16
* andrewlsd only uses his intel card, doesn't use the nvidia.14:17
theblazehenhttp://imgur.com/a/uVHYy GT210 + intel + amd HD4600. Yes, it was all a mess14:17
* andrewlsd only uses up to 1080p14:17
theblazehenNot even dual 1080p?14:17
* nlsthzn needs a good GPU to go with the rest of a new PC for VR when he grows up14:17
theblazehenStill waiting for higher res vr14:18
andrewlsdtheblazehen: nope. mebbe 1x 1080p and another 1366x76814:19
* andrewlsd is quite happy with lower res.14:19
* nlsthzn needs his 1080p now... hooked14:19
theblazehenandrewlsd: Heh. Even with my netbook I either did 1080p + 1024x600 with tv or 1024x600 + 1024x768 with my crt14:19
* andrewlsd would be happier with 2 x 108014:19
theblazehenandrewlsd would be happier with 6x 108014:20
andrewlsdI still have an Atom netbook.14:20
andrewlsd... and I see Debian looks like it is about to drop 32-bit14:20
theblazehenmine died. Lightning hit phone line, went through the adsl modem and killed the netbook used as router14:20
andrewlsdmy netbook has no hard drive. so it runs a live USB.14:21
theblazehenWhat's it used for?14:21
andrewlsdtheblazehen: elementaryOS, to run hexchat or occassional travelling webbrowsing when mobile phone isn't up to the task. it has 1.5GB ram and about 9 hours of battery life.14:22
andrewlsd(I mount all the google chrome directories in tmpfs)14:22
theblazehenwow that lasts long. Mine lasted around 2-3 hours max at a tty with brightness low14:22
theblazehenandrewlsd: Have a look at profile sync daemon14:24
andrewlsdtheblazehen: I replaced the battery with an extended capacity battery.   and then a month later the HDD went. :-(14:24
theblazehenouch14:24
theblazehenTried using an sd card? Easier than a flash drive14:25
andrewlsdI could solder SATA tags onto the m-board, but the actual laptop enclosure isn't big enough to hold the drive.14:25
theblazehenMine wouldn't boot :( Bios sucked though14:25
andrewlsdI looked at using SATA->mSATA adaptor. 14:25
andrewlsdMine won't boot from SD14:25
theblazehenAspire one?14:26
andrewlsdyip14:26
andrewlsdmodel AOA11014:26
theblazehenMine couldn't do vga and hdmi at the same time :( Yes, I tried..14:26
theblazehenAh14:26
theblazehenD2600 or something here14:26
andrewlsdmine only had D-SUB (vga) out14:27
andrewlsds/had/has14:27
theblazehenMine struggled to do 1080p and the onboard..14:27
theblazehenI didn't even use lightweight apps like vim then14:27
theblazehenfirefox with vimperator and some graphical web editor :/ And ran xfce14:28
theblazehenTO be fair, xfce still runs decent on my *old* desktop (600MHz, 256 MB ram)14:28
andrewlsdfor lightweight, I find enlightenment amazing14:28
theblazehenandrewlsd: On 256 MB ram?!14:29
andrewlsdI used Elive distro on my IBM 600. 128MB ram, full desktop, multiple video playback14:29
theblazehenAh wait14:29
theblazehenthinking of elementary os. soory14:29
theblazehennice14:29
theblazehenhd video? 14:29
andrewlsdnah. this predated HD video14:29
andrewlsdit came with  CD drive.14:30
theblazehenOn my netbook xorg took ~70% cpu, pulseaudio ~40%, conky 13%, xfwm 7% or so...14:30
andrewlsdpredated DVD drives.14:30
theblazehenAh14:30
andrewlsdE17 was extremely light on CPU.14:30
theblazehenI ran it on netbook once14:31
theblazehenDidn't like the way it looks14:31
theblazehenand internally the code sucks14:31
theblazehenhttps://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened14:31
andrewlsdI'm not qualified to comment on code quality :/14:31
theblazehenme neither14:32
nlsthzncurrent install with KDE 5 showing almost 6gb memory in use...14:32
theblazehennlsthzn: My *phone* uses 2.1 GB at boot14:32
nlsthznwell I am also running a minecraft server so I am sure that is part of it :p14:32
nlsthzntheblazehen: that seems a lot ;p14:32
nlsthznmy phone only has 1gb14:33
* theblazehen is using 6.1 / * GB on laptop14:33
theblazehennlsthzn: Yeah, my note 2 had 1 gb14:33
theblazehenAnd it had more ram free than my note 4 with 3 GB :(14:33
theblazehens/\*/8/14:33
nlsthznit happens, software will expand to fill all available space14:33
theblazehennlsthzn: Eh. "Stuck" on the samsung android os14:34
* nlsthzn still has more than 50% ram free at least14:34
theblazehenDon't have time to compile cyanogenmod14:34
* theblazehen normally uses ~14 GB / 20 GB on desktop14:34
nlsthznthere are probably beter roms than cyanogemod in any case14:34
theblazehennlsthzn: CM is good enough14:34
theblazehenGets out of the way14:34
nlsthznI think it used to be, i don't know recently14:35
theblazehenhi mazal14:41
mazalLo theblazehen14:42
theblazehenHow are you mazal?14:42
mazalOk and you ?14:42
theblazehenI'm alright14:42
andrewlsdcheerio all15:00
paddatrappernlsthzn: I'm running CM on my Note 2, prety slick. Definitely prefer it to stock android15:03
nlsthznCM is basically stock android :p15:04
nlsthznyou prefer it to touchwiz15:04
paddatrapperIt has improvements - like Chromecast and torch built into the system try15:04
paddatrapperI never used touchwiz. One of the first things I changed. Mainly used Apex Launcher when I had stock15:05
nlsthznah ok, see what you mean15:06
* nlsthzn has had way to many roms on his S3...15:06
nlsthznstill haven't found what I'm looking for :p15:06
paddatrapperLol. Yeah I keep looking for a pc-like experience for my phone, which isn't here yet15:07
nlsthznthen again, I can't seem to find what I want on my PC either... starting to think the problem is with me :p15:24
nlsthznso a game on steam with an afrikaans title, turns out by a SA company (obviously) - https://www.skobbejakgames.com/16:01
Kiloshaha16:03
mazalTheir stuff looks a bit dark for me16:43
nlsthznmixed reviews... but hey, it is still a thing :)17:08
Kilosso guys how many of you use github18:09
Kilosive just created an account there because peeps are always saying they got stuff on github18:09
Kilosor get this or that on github18:10
Kilospaddatrapper if you studying ignore this ping18:14
Kilosaw now i forgot what i wanted to ask18:15
Kilosai!18:15
paddatrapperKilos: Waiting for the Debconf meeting, so I'm here18:15
Kilosmazal mors jy weer geld?18:15
paddatrapperI use Github18:15
Kilosoh my18:16
mazalHoe nou oom ?18:16
Kilosi cant remember what i wanted to ask you18:16
Kilosspeel jy online speletjies18:16
mazalNope, offline18:16
Kilosgood lad18:17
mazalInet sucks too much for online tonight18:17
Kilosoh18:17
Kilospaddatrapper 18:17
paddatrapperNope. Don't really game18:17
Kilosyou tried that light browser hey18:17
paddatrapperI didn't. Just thought it looked cool. I like Firefox though18:18
Kilosxombrero18:18
Kilosoh ok18:18
paddatrapperWhat is the usecase for Activities in KDE?18:18
Kilosi wanted to know how to bookmark pages and how to open in new windows18:18
Kiloshehe18:18
paddatrapperctrl+b?18:19
Kilosi dont undrstand that, ask the clevererers18:19
paddatrapperWhy are there both activities and virtual desktops?18:19
Kiloswhy not18:19
Kilossuperfly inetpro thats for you guys to answer18:20
paddatrapperLol Good point18:20
Kilosctrl+b doenst work18:20
Kiloslol18:20
Kilospeeps like saying because we can18:21
KilosDalekSec you here?18:21
Kilosor must i try find unit19318:21
inetpropaddatrapper: I'm still only using it the old style way with four virtual desktops18:22
paddatrapperinetpro: Same here. Also got any interesting wigets to recommend?18:22
inetproin fact I mostly use a single desktop to be honest but multiple desktops are often nice to have18:23
Kilospager18:23
Kilospager is workspace switcher18:23
Kilosne inetpro 18:23
inetprothe logic of activities is not clear to me18:23
inetprothe only widgets I use these days are those found on the taskbar18:25
Kilossjoe18:26
Kilosi need pager18:26
Kilosbut then my fingers are older18:26
paddatrapperI use it occasionally. But also mapped swapping to meta + 1,2,3,etc18:30
* inetpro prefers to have maximum resources available for active applications 18:30
inetprowidgets and gizmos are not for me18:30
Kilosjaja geek type18:31
paddatrapperIt's the best part of a new DE (though usually I end up deleting them...)18:31
Kilosi use pager all the time 18:32
inetprobut then...18:32
* inetpro is a very boring kind of guy18:32
Kilosto switch in my 9 workspaces and im not changing18:32
Kilosyes he is18:32
Kilosand forgets to greet even at times18:32
Kilosbut i still like him18:33
Kiloshe my boetie18:33
inetprouh...18:33
Kiloseven when in strydom mode18:33
inetprosorry oom18:33
Kiloshaha18:33
inetproall your fault18:33
Kilosyes of course18:34
Kilospaddatrapper when your meet starting18:34
inetproI just stepped into the room as you pinged me18:34
Kilosim just teasing man18:34
paddatrapperKilos: Now18:35
inetpro:-)18:35
Kilosgrumpy old ballie18:35
Kilosgo paddatrapper 18:35
paddatrapperwbb18:35
inetprogood morning everyone18:35
Kiloshahahaha18:35
Kilosand peeps wonder why my hair is falling out so fast18:36
inetproKilos: you have hair?18:38
Kilosyes long hair18:38
Kiloswinter woolies18:38
inetprohmm....18:39
Kilosjust starting to cover top of ears18:39
inetproall fake18:39
Kilosnee man genuine hair18:40
Kilosmy own18:40
Kiloshurts to pull out18:40
inetprocool :-)18:40
Kiloslol18:40
Kilosyou thought i was bald?18:40
Kilossjoe18:40
inetprojust making sure you are still yourself18:41
Kiloshaha18:41
Kilosyou forget my hackergotchi had hair18:42
Kiloshttp://pasteboard.co/QGettt4.jpg18:45
magespawngood evening18:51
Kiloshi magespawn 18:52
magespawntheblazehen: i am in deep trouble because of you ....18:52
magespawnhey Kilos 18:52
Kilosuh oh18:53
theblazehenmagespawn: what did I do..?18:53
magespawnreminded me about xkcd, lost about 2 hours work18:54
theblazehenOh. Haha. Did you at least browse with my site? :)18:54
theblazehenmagespawn: lost as in lost the files you were working on / whatever, or just wasted time?18:56
magespawndont think, i was just using the links and numbers you sent intially18:57
magespawnnah just 'wasted' time, not really wasted in my view, when reading xkcd18:57
magespawnand not really in trouble18:58
magespawni never seem to able to read just one, and it is the first time i have seen that what-it site18:59
magespawns/what-it/what-if18:59
theblazehenYeah, then not-just-one thing is exactly *why* I made the site :)19:01
theblazehenDid I get the numbers right BTW?19:02
magespawnfor the ones i looked at yes19:02
theblazehenNice19:06
magespawn10 guesses what i am doing now, and the first 9 do not count19:08
magespawnwhat is your site theblazehen, i think i missed it last time around19:12
theblazehenxkcdrandom.theblazehen.co.19:13
theblazehenCom *19:13
theblazehenmagespawn: 19:13
theblazehenYes, I'm aware CSS is a thing. 19:14
theblazehenA thing I'm going to ignore 19:14
magespawnokay then19:15
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:26
theblazehenNight Kilos 19:26
magespawntheblazehen: any particular reason why you are ignoring CSS?19:29
theblazehenmagespawn: laziness 19:30
theblazehenMotherfuckingwebsite.com19:30
theblazehenAlthough better motherfuckingwebsite is nice with a little CSS 19:31
magespawnah i like that answer theblazehen 19:32
magespawnthat is funny as ....19:35
mazalnight everyone19:42
paddatrapperNag almal19:55
magespawntheblazehen: does your site just pull the xkcd comics randomly?20:43

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