[04:52] <mazal> Morning
[04:53] <Kilos> hi mazal paddatrapper anton_may inetpro  magespawn nlsthzn and others
[04:57] <mazal> Gaanit oom
[04:58] <Kilos> koud maar ok anders danlie en jy?
[04:58] <Kilos> dankie
[04:58] <mazal> Karring maar aan
[04:58] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[05:06] <anton_may> mornings
[05:13] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos, mazal, autonomy, everyone else
[05:14] <Kilos> whois autonomy
[05:14] <mazal> Morning anton_may , paddatrapper
[05:14] <Kilos> how did your python job go
[05:14] <anton_may> morning mazal
[05:16] <paddatrapper> Auto correct on anton_may...
[05:16] <Kilos> lol
[05:16] <anton_may> yes i'm my own ruler!!!
[05:17] <paddatrapper> Kilos: it's getting there. Only two things remain: compiling in the GUI file and adding libav to the execution path. Which hopefully will be today's problem to fix
[05:18] <paddatrapper> anton_may: lol
[05:26] <magespawn> good morning
[05:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:28] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[05:31] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:31] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[05:33] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:34] <mazal> Morning thatgraemeguy , nlsthzn
[05:42] <nlsthzn> so how is everybody in ZA land this morning?
[05:42] <Kilos> cold
[05:42] <Kilos> send heat
[05:43] <anton_may> Not yet, but apparently the cold and rain :0 will hit Gautendg by the weekend
[05:44] <Kilos> eish , im freezing allready
[05:45] <anton_may> oi vey 
[05:57] <nlsthzn> if I could I would... enough here for both countries and some change
[06:17] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd
[06:19] <theblazehen> And others
[06:20] <andrewlsd> hi theblazehen (and others)
[07:40] <chesedo-> morning all
[07:40] <anton_may> 0/ chesedo
[07:54] <Kilos> hi chesedo- 
[07:55] <nlsthzn> \m/
[07:55]  * nlsthzn rocks out
[07:55] <Kilos> anton_may type first three letters of the nick and hit tab
[07:55] <nlsthzn> Maaz: tea please
[07:55] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils nlsthzn I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[07:55] <Kilos> then caps and tails are added for you
[07:56] <nlsthzn> thanks Maaz
[07:56] <Kilos> Maaz coffee  on
[07:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:58] <nlsthzn> power out again Maaz?
[07:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:58] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[07:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[07:59] <nlsthzn> sup inetpro...
[07:59] <paddatrapper> Maaz: tea please
[07:59] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils paddatrapper I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[08:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[08:00] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[08:00] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[08:00] <paddatrapper> That actually would be really nice about now... Suppose I'd better wait until I get home
[08:00] <Kilos> Maaz dankie
[08:00] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[08:03] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, chesedo-, anton_may, nlsthzn, inetpro
[08:03] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: 
[08:03] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[08:04] <paddatrapper> Het theblazehen
[08:06] <Kilos> het?
[08:06] <Kilos> het wat
[08:06] <paddatrapper> s/het/hey
[08:07] <paddatrapper> My autocorrect really isn't with me today
[08:07] <Kilos> you youngsters not supposed to make mistakes
[08:07] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <paddatrapper> The point of being young is so that you have an excuse for the mistake. Lol
[08:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:15] <andrewlsd> it's pretty chilly down in  /\/¯¯¯¯\/\ today
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:15] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[08:16] <andrewlsd> my coffee is cold already, barely made it.
[08:16] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos 
[08:16] <andrewlsd> anyone here played with appear.in?
[08:17] <andrewlsd> https://appear.in/ubuntu-za?lowData
[08:27] <paddatrapper> andrewlsd: I've been in a jersey all day... Luckily not much wind
[08:37] <anton_may> ello andrewlsd from my cam
[08:37] <anton_may> isee he is busy on the phone
[08:38] <andrewlsd> yip
[08:39] <andrewlsd> it's a webRTC video/audio/text chat.. what is nice about it is, you don't need to signup or log in.
[08:39] <anton_may> yip i see so with up 8 ppl
[08:40] <paddatrapper> And because webRTC is works on phones, etc too
[08:40] <anton_may> nice never played with webRTC
[08:41] <andrewlsd> paddatrapper: correct.
[08:41]  * theblazehen wonders how complicated the webRTC protocol is. Perhaps it could serve as a udp equivelant of websockets, for browser games etc
[08:42] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Games/Techniques/WebRTC_data_channels
[08:42] <anton_may> i can snoop through my sflows and report back a bit later
[08:43] <theblazehen> ty andrewlsd
[08:43] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://www.cubeslam.com/lyyfqp
[08:44] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/03/webrtc-data-channels-for-great-multiplayer/
[08:45] <theblazehen> ty
[08:50] <andrewlsd> maaz coffee please
[08:50] <Maaz> andrewlsd: There isn't a pot on
[08:50]  * andrewlsd goes to find his own coffee then
[08:54] <theblazehen> Maaz: Coffee on please
[08:54] <Maaz> theblazehen: What?
[08:54] <theblazehen> Maaz: Coffee on 
[08:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for theblazehen!
[08:58] <theblazehen> ty Maaz
[08:59] <urbanslug> Hello, sluggie is saying hey :D
[09:00] <theblazehen> hey urbanslug
[09:00] <urbanslug> Nothing much, just seeking out community. Like many humans do.
[09:00] <theblazehen> yeah
[09:03] <urbanslug> theblazehen: You?
[09:03] <urbanslug> Also working
[09:03] <urbanslug> Programming
[09:03] <urbanslug> As a subset of humans do :D
[09:03] <theblazehen> Yeah. Waiting for puppet to run..
[09:04] <theblazehen> " Running the Puppet deployment. This step may take up to an hour." :(
[09:04] <urbanslug> I noticed there may be sheep in this channel. After they overthrow Kilos 
[09:04] <urbanslug> theblazehen: An hour?
[09:04] <urbanslug> Why so? Network things?
[09:04] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Installing openshift. That's what the installer script says..
[09:04] <urbanslug> And the sheep say "Viva la revolution"
[09:05] <theblazehen> And ZA normally has slower network than most places
[09:05] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Not familiar with openshift :) will find out
[09:05] <urbanslug> theblazehen: You know where I'm from?
[09:05] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Familiar with kubernetes? Docker?
[09:05] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Nah, where?
[09:06] <urbanslug> Docker a little the other one no.
[09:06] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Somewhere in upper north (but still in Africa) which is literally everywhere.
[09:06] <urbanslug> :
[09:06] <urbanslug> :p
[09:07] <theblazehen> Ah cool
[09:08] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Kenya
[09:08] <theblazehen> cool
[09:08] <urbanslug> Yeah it's been raining for a few days
[09:08] <urbanslug> Get it?
[09:08] <theblazehen> not really?
[09:08] <urbanslug> YOu said cool and I talked about the literally cool weather here?
[09:09] <urbanslug> meh
[09:09] <theblazehen> ah
[09:09] <theblazehen> I wonder if any text editor would understand LF+CR
[09:10] <theblazehen> Actually, why don't any editors interpret it literally?
[09:10] <theblazehen> Say type 40 characters, LF, and you get 40 blank spaces on the 2nd line before your text
[09:11] <urbanslug> theblazehen: How should I do the LF+CR thing?
[09:11] <urbanslug> It didn't do anything in emacs
[09:11] <theblazehen> urbanslug: No idea. Hex editor?
[09:11] <theblazehen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline
[09:11] <theblazehen> Unix uses LF, windows CR + LF
[09:12] <theblazehen> "LF+CR: Acorn BBC and RISC OS spooled text output." Oh, hmm
[09:12] <urbanslug> Is there L in Hex?
[09:12] <theblazehen> urbanslug: `man ascii`
[09:13] <anton_may> no
[09:13] <theblazehen> Get hex value there
[09:13] <urbanslug> 4c
[09:18] <theblazehen> urbanslug: `echo '00000000: 4869 0a48 690a 7465 7374' | xxd -r`
[09:18] <theblazehen> Doesn't work the way that would be interesting
[09:19] <theblazehen> I think it's only reading the LF though, as that's what unix normally uses
[09:19] <theblazehen> Need to test on windows
[09:20] <theblazehen> wine notepad interprets it same as linux. weird
[09:21]  * theblazehen needs to test on real windows. Maybe wine one reads like linux too. I know that windows notepad doesn't do a newline on LF, only CRLF
[09:21] <theblazehen> wine notepad breaks on the LF alone
[09:21] <Kilos> haha slugman
[09:23] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Check man 7 ascii, at the top of table, it has the NUL, SOH etc there. LF and CR are there
[09:23] <theblazehen> Interesting actually. I dunno why we use csv and tsv, and not 'RS  (record separator)'
[09:23] <theblazehen> I mean, that is it's purpose..
[09:24] <theblazehen> sorry, probably looking for US, with RS beig the line feed equivelant then
[09:25] <theblazehen> Actually, I wish we actually *used* the first 31 ascii characters
[09:27] <theblazehen> "EBCDIC systems—mainly IBM mainframe systems, including z/OS (OS/390) and i5/OS (OS/400)—use NL (New Line, 0x15)[2] as the character combining the functions of line-feed and carriage-return. The equivalent UNICODE character is called NEL (Next Line). Note that EBCDIC also has control characters called CR and LF, but the numerical value of LF (0x25) differs from the one used by ASCII (0x0A). Additionally, some EBCDIC variants also 
[09:27] <theblazehen> use NL but assign a different numeric code to the character." Hmm. /me needs to read the man page to try see why people don't like ebcdic
[09:27] <urbanslug> theblazehen: Cool stuff :)
[09:27] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Yeah :) I love old computer stuff.
[09:27] <urbanslug> theblazehen: tis well before my time I will have such fun over lunch
[09:27] <theblazehen> urbanslug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution if you want :)
[09:28] <urbanslug> wasn't that a movie?
[09:28]  * theblazehen has been planning to read it again for a while. /me looks for an audiobook
[09:28] <theblazehen> Hmm, dunno
[09:28] <kulelu88> asdas
[09:29] <theblazehen> hi kulelu88
[09:29] <theblazehen> About time.. puppet part of openshift install is done
[09:29] <kulelu88> yo theblazehen 
[09:31] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Not a movie. Good
[09:32] <theblazehen> http://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/hackers-heroes-of-the-computer-revolution/248513 Hmm. I hope there isn't drm
[09:32] <theblazehen> I'm sure there probably is
[09:32] <theblazehen> Nothing pulseaudio can't get rid of :)
[09:33] <kulelu88> what you installing on openshift? theblazehen 
[09:33] <theblazehen> kulelu88: I'm just trying it out, seeing how it works
[09:33] <theblazehen> I had ubuntu server set up at home with kvm and lxd. Liked that. Raid died though. 2(!) drives failed in the first week
[09:34] <kulelu88> theblazehen: are you oom Kilos son?
[09:34] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Nope
[09:35] <kulelu88> LXD confuses me (a bit). I know LXC good enough, but from what I understand, LXD is like Docker
[09:36] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Not quite
[09:36] <theblazehen> Lxd is basically a way of managing lxc containers
[09:36] <Kilos> haha
[09:36] <Kilos> kulelu88 wolfeyes is my son
[09:37] <theblazehen> I like it because it "just works" (haven't tried plain lxc on ubuntu, only arch), but with lxd on ubuntu I can use lxc (the lxc client, not actual lxc. Yes, confusing) to connect from arch and it works
[09:37] <kulelu88> theblazehen: CLI manager? But from what I know, you get access to the base image as well?
[09:37] <theblazehen> kulelu88: How do you mean by the base image?
[09:38] <theblazehen> lxc also overlayfs, lxd makes that easier with their profiles or defaults or whatever they call it, but I just use it to start the basic containers
[09:38] <kulelu88> in LXC, it just pulls the image. in LXD, you can customize settings for the base image 
[09:38] <theblazehen> Ah yes. It has access to the same base images as normal lxc
[09:39] <kulelu88> this is what I use to manage my LXC containers: http://pymag09.github.io/lxc-ui/
[09:39] <theblazehen> Yeah. Haven't fiddled too much. Only had it running for like 2 days before the disks failed (Never getting seagate again.. Were on special, though even if 1 fails I still get a good deal. Then 2 failed. Raid 5 doesn't like that :()
[09:39] <theblazehen> Ah, cool
[09:40] <andrewlsd> urbanslug: Kenya is nice.
[09:43] <andrewlsd> LXD does use LXC containers though. LXC containers are nice if you want something that is more permanent, server-like
[09:43] <andrewlsd> but lighter on resources
[09:43] <andrewlsd> as compared to Docker, which you shouldn't be patching your docker containers, you should destroy them and deploy new ones.
[09:43] <andrewlsd> end of TL;DR
[09:43] <superfly> paddatrapper: ping
[09:43] <andrewlsd> hi superfly  :-)
[09:44] <theblazehen> hey superfly
[09:44] <superfly> sup theblazehen, andrewlsd
[09:44] <andrewlsd> kulelu88: nice LXC pymag link, thanks.
[09:45] <paddatrapper> Hey superfly
[09:46] <superfly> paddatrapper: here's the build script my project uses: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/packaging/view/head:/windows/windows-builder.py
[09:46] <paddatrapper> Thanks. I'll take a look
[09:49] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: you going to set up a matrix.org server in your openshift?
[09:50] <andrewlsd> matrix.org looks like an interesting project
[09:50] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Nah. Just testing it on local VM here. Gonna test the remaining 2 drives, maybe do a raid 1, then set it up on ubuntu server again
[09:50] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: remember mhddfs
[09:50] <theblazehen> Just plain lxd, docker and kvm :)
[09:51] <andrewlsd> Hip, hip who raids?
[09:51] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: yeah. Not gonna try split data across drives though. Right now I just want to ensure that *one* drive at least works :(
[09:51] <kulelu88> andrewlsd: I plan on working on a tool to update LXC containers without destroying them
[09:51] <theblazehen> Raid on the pc I had set up before the 2 drives failed. Have 32 GB ram going to waste at the moment..
[09:52] <theblazehen> :(
[09:52] <andrewlsd> ouch. 32GB unused ram, yes, that is a waste. Rectify it immediately ;-)
[09:53] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: As soon as I have a chance.. :(
[09:53] <theblazehen> Was literally working until like 1:30 this morning. Did I mention I hate php?
[09:54] <andrewlsd> :-P
[09:54] <andrewlsd> with a PhPassion
[09:54] <andrewlsd> hmm. can you get a PhD in Php
[09:55] <theblazehen> Especially 10 year old php, that assumes that the domain you're referring to is to the left of the tld. Gotta work around it for doing debug.site.tld.example.com now :(
[09:55] <andrewlsd> ... did you rewrite all the functionality in a python flask?
[09:55] <theblazehen> *i*? no thanks
[09:55] <kulelu88> 10 years old? is that PHP4?
[09:55] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: I wish..
[09:55] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Could be
[09:55] <theblazehen> Some old oscommerce shop
[09:55] <kulelu88> test a PHP5 command on it.
[09:56] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Code is running on a new server with php 6 :)
[09:56] <kulelu88> there's no point repairing/fixing old PHP. it has enough holes to get infected very very quickly
[09:56] <theblazehen> Moved from an old gentoo box updated in 2009
[09:56] <andrewlsd> it's time to replace that oscommerce .
[09:56] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yeah. Ads soon as I can I'm gonna get each site running in a docker
[09:57] <andrewlsd> kulelu88: that's not a bug, it's a feature.
[09:57] <kulelu88> theblazehen: that won't protect it LOL
[09:57] <kulelu88> you need a firewall
[09:57] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Heh..  We have at least 10 different sites with heavy modifications to the framework etc, and new ones being actively developed based on the oxid shop system
[09:57] <theblazehen> kulelu88: That kills the sales
[09:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: unfavourable side-effect :-P
[09:58] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Not my decision to make unfortunately :/
[09:59] <theblazehen> Best we can do is seperate LEMP running in docker for each site
[10:00] <andrewlsd> with trickled (so that performance is horrible, then you can say "it would be better if we do the new version")
[10:00] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Time better spent on working on the new sites
[10:01] <andrewlsd> yip
[10:01] <kulelu88> theblazehen: docker is not meant to be running processes like that though. you need to split M and P
[10:01] <andrewlsd> for me: IRC > slack/rocket.chat
[10:01] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yeah. confession: I'm more of a config management in a container kind of guy
[10:02] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Agreed. That's why I linked to matrix.org in rocket chat, has an irc interface
[10:02] <theblazehen> federated too, no need for multiple chat clients for each service
[10:02] <theblazehen> In theory
[10:02]  * andrewlsd channels "The Offspring": you got to keep it federated.
[10:03] <theblazehen> Freenode really needs to actually hook up to the matrix network. Perhaps I should contact them. Worst case I run a server (You don't need *huge* specs for it, and connect it myself)
[10:03] <theblazehen> Oh, nice! https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode/
[10:04] <theblazehen> '/join #freenode_#channelname:matrix.org' Oh come on!
[10:04] <andrewlsd> wootness.
[10:04] <theblazehen> I want to /join #ubuntu-za:freenode.org
[10:04] <theblazehen> That's the *whole point* of being federated!
[10:04] <andrewlsd> matrix.org as an IRC bouncer.
[10:05] <andrewlsd> with endless history.
[10:05] <theblazehen> Yeah. 
[10:05] <andrewlsd> (coz I don't like using irssi )
[10:05]  * theblazehen is using quassel. Quite nice
[10:05] <theblazehen> Qt based though
[10:05] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: QT whilst you're ahead.
[10:05] <theblazehen> It ran fine even on a 512 MB digital ocean droplet, and has a nice android app
[10:06] <andrewlsd> mebbe it's time to try again.
[10:06] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: I don't like the whole kde theme "feel", too much rounded corners and stuff. And I've tried themes
[10:06] <theblazehen> Also try out weechat, I want to use it again when I have time to configure it. Also has a web interface and android app
[10:07] <kulelu88> IRC is not really federated if we're all using freenode. same issue with slack then
[10:07] <andrewlsd> was just about to say, theblazehen, that I was going to go install arch+kde soz to not use GTK stuff.
[10:07] <theblazehen> Fedora with kde here now..
[10:07] <andrewlsd> ugh.
[10:07] <andrewlsd> Fedora always had the 2nd worst KDE.
[10:07] <andrewlsd> worst goes to CentOS
[10:08] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yeah, but matrix is federated. I'm saying we should be connecting to freenode via matrix, not that freenode is federated. It's basically just a proxy through matrix.org's server.
[10:08]  * andrewlsd goes to rinse his eyes with vinegar.
[10:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yeah, was *okay* on arch too. But I can't deal with it's multi monitor :(
[10:08] <theblazehen> AwesomeWM has independant workspaces / display, kwin not :(
[10:08] <andrewlsd> ^ theblazehen has some hectic multimonitor stuff going on
[10:08] <theblazehen> I really like kde now..
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:09] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yup. 9280x2560 I think
[10:09] <kulelu88> so there is a linux OS where each workspace can have its own screen?
[10:09] <Kilos> kde rocks
[10:09] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: Plz share/explain your monitor set ups here. Just soz these peeps can know.
[10:09] <andrewlsd> how many graphics cards, how many workspaces.... 
[10:09] <kulelu88> theblazehen: you using a proxy?
[10:09] <theblazehen> kulelu88: a wm to be specific
[10:10] <theblazehen> resolution is 9280x2560
[10:10] <theblazehen> 2x vertical 2560x1440 monitors on the left
[10:11] <theblazehen> 1x normal 4k monitor in the middle, and another 2560x1440 on the right
[10:11] <theblazehen> All displays are powered with 1 GTX 980, but I have 2x GTX 970's also, for cryptocurrency mining
[10:11] <Kilos> you getting as bad as symmetria
[10:11] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: are you at broadcast depth now (in the Nebuchadnezzar)?
[10:11] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: you could use i3. By default each monitor will have a workspace
[10:12] <kulelu88> paddatrapper: i3 being a .deb package? 
[10:12] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Yeah, on awesomewm each monitor has 10 workspaces :) On i3 theyre shared
[10:12] <kulelu88> theblazehen: we need pics 
[10:12] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/gallery/9qITRRc older pic
[10:12] <paddatrapper> i3wm
[10:12] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: +1
[10:13] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: og cool. I kinda like the shared access. Makes them easier to switch between.
[10:13] <andrewlsd> and theblazehen, that little JBL is a goodie.
[10:13] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yeah, it is
[10:13] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Yeah, makes sense
[10:13] <kulelu88> and you code in PHP? theblazehen :D
[10:14] <theblazehen> I normally use 3-7 workspaces on each disaply, so not an option here..
[10:14] <theblazehen> kulelu88: When I have to
[10:14] <theblazehen> Which is pretty much 20-40 hours / week
[10:14] <theblazehen> Sometimes more :/
[10:14] <kulelu88> what's your day job? theblazehen 
[10:14] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: how?? I struggle to fill 5 workspaces total on a busy day of programming
[10:15] <theblazehen> kulelu88: I work with andrewlsd
[10:15] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: I'll try to get a busy shot sometime :)
[10:15] <andrewlsd> but kulelu88 , I don't think we make theblazehen use PHP.
[10:15] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Yeah :p Python ftw here
[10:15] <theblazehen> php is at my night / weekend job
[10:15] <kulelu88> andrewlsd: where do you guys work? 
[10:15] <theblazehen> kulelu88: lsd.co.za
[10:16] <andrewlsd> we are everywhere__
[10:16] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: do you have a link to that background anywhere?
[10:16] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: It's a cron job that generates it :)
[10:16] <theblazehen> https://github.com/TomSmeets/FractalArt
[10:17] <paddatrapper> That's an interesting way of doing it!
[10:17] <kulelu88> IT Ninjas :P
[10:17] <andrewlsd> kulelu88: did you play with SailfishOS?
[10:18] <kulelu88> shit, you guys are using all the keywords :P Guru, Rockstar, Magician 
[10:18] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Did you? I *really* want one of those phones
[10:18]  * theblazehen was even planning on porting it to work on my note 2
[10:18] <theblazehen> Not even gonna try for my note 4 :(
[10:18] <kulelu88> I'm waiting for the ubuntu phone
[10:19] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Meh
[10:19] <theblazehen> Don't like it's snappy apps
[10:19] <theblazehen> I just want to install a .deb or .rpm on my phone
[10:19] <theblazehen> neo900.org :)
[10:20] <kulelu88> Does your office have fibre? andrewlsd 
[10:20] <andrewlsd> where theblazehen is, yes. But yesterday our Fibre provider had an outage.
[10:20] <andrewlsd> where I am, DSL.
[10:20] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: And the day before..
[10:20] <andrewlsd> ... outage was a routing problem, not a connectivity one.
[10:21] <theblazehen> yeah
[10:21] <kulelu88> that first comment below your imgur image rings true with fibre 
[10:21] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Sent rocket.chat message
[10:21] <paddatrapper> I want to try port Ubuntu to my note 2 and tab 2... Just need to find time!
[10:22] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Most of the work for n7100 is done. Do you have n710 or n7105?
[10:22] <kulelu88> sailfish is better suited for mobile porting
[10:22] <theblazehen> Easy to port, just add lte modules
[10:23] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Indeed. Based on mer framework
[10:23] <paddatrapper> n7100
[10:23] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: ^
[10:23] <theblazehen> Ah. Easier then. There's even an image for you to download and flash :)
[10:23]  * theblazehen misses my old phone
[10:24] <kulelu88> n7100 = nokia?
[10:24] <theblazehen> Nah :) Samsung galaxy note 2 without lte
[10:25] <theblazehen> I miss my nokia 5530.. Which would have issues playing a 64kbit mp3 stream, having a web browser open and a text editor
[10:25] <paddatrapper> Nice phone. Though I've lost my SPen ...
[10:25] <theblazehen> !FUN! fact: That's where I really started learning programming. Before I just used QBASIC / Visual basic 5
[10:25] <kulelu88> theblazehen: did you go for geekconf? 
[10:26] <theblazehen> Then I got a AMP stack on my phone.. 
[10:26] <theblazehen> Then 000webhost with a ftp sync cient. First "proper" language was therefore php. Still remember when I enjoyed it.. Was still favourite language in 2013/2014 or so
[10:26] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Nah
[10:26] <theblazehen> Where / when was that?
[10:28] <kulelu88> http://www.geekfest.co.za/about-geekfest/
[10:28] <kulelu88> I only saw it last week
[10:28] <theblazehen> I almost miss coding with a tiny screen, T9 keyboard because qwerty was too slow.. Of course no syntax hilighting
[10:28] <theblazehen> Could mess around in the system directories easily, unlike android etc
[10:29] <theblazehen> Wow, I must be the only person that misses Symbian
[10:29] <theblazehen> ty for link kulelu88
[10:29]  * andrewlsd liked Symbian too.
[10:29]  * theblazehen even installed a custom rom, brought some of the 5800 features, and had a lock screen with widgets :)
[10:29] <kulelu88> Symbian wasn't exactly open source though
[10:30] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yeah
[10:30] <theblazehen> Well, android wasn't much of a thing really. I actually wanted an early android but got that instead
[10:30] <kulelu88> apparently hackers had the private keys to do MitM attacks for updates to symbianOS
[10:31] <theblazehen> Wasn't hard actually. IIrc the one way I "rooted" it was like that
[10:33] <paddatrapper> I still have a Symbian phone that's going strong
[10:34] <paddatrapper> Nokia E63
[10:35] <kulelu88> even paddatrapper looks like he is using a proxy 
[10:35] <paddatrapper> Nope. Just a vps sitting in France
[10:36]  * andrewlsd goes off to install more Zimbra.
[10:44] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: You also use quassel right?
[10:48] <theblazehen> I used http://phoneky.com/applications/?id=y1y33610 as my symbian homescreen
[10:49] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: weechat
[10:49] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Nice
[10:50] <paddatrapper> I like it because it works nicely with ssh. So, no matter the machine I sit down at, I can still connect
[10:50]  * theblazehen wonders if I should use haproxy or nginx as reverse proxy at home
[10:50] <theblazehen> Yeah
[10:51] <theblazehen> nginx will work with letsencrypt, which is neat
[10:51]  * theblazehen want to stop paying for dedicated server, but I'm running a mirror service and don't really wanna take it down :(
[10:51] <kulelu88> do you have a static IP?
[10:51] <theblazehen> Nah, dhcp. 
[10:51] <theblazehen> dynamic dns
[10:52] <theblazehen> http://mirrors.theblazehen.com/bandwidthReport.html nevermind. Not many people using my mirror
[10:52] <theblazehen> Mostly just the tor node
[10:58] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: you could probably get a static IP for a few bucks.
[10:58] <kulelu88> 50 rand I think
[10:58] <kulelu88> does anybody tinker with jquery here?
[11:01] <superfly> kulelu88: I wrote a few plugins in my past life
[11:02] <kulelu88> superfly: maybe I can tinker with your brain for some assistance
[11:02] <Kilos> lol
[11:03] <superfly> kulelu88: hold on why I unscrew my head
[11:03] <Kilos> you time travel as well
[11:03] <superfly> s/why/while/
[11:03] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: My ip hasn't changed since I got this adsl line (2 months? 3?)
[11:03] <theblazehen> So either way, it's basically static, no problem if it occasionally changes
[11:04] <theblazehen> I still wouldn't run my dns ns at home though
[11:13] <andrewlsd> tru
[11:13] <andrewlsd> but why would you have to?
[11:16] <kulelu88> I'll catch up later. Will send you the code if you around superfly 
[11:18] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: I wouldn't. Was trying to make a joke..
[11:19] <andrewlsd> :-( sorry theblazehen .
[11:20] <theblazehen> Eh, didn't come across the best with text
[11:20] <andrewlsd> an IRC client that interpreted markdown would be *very nice*
[11:21] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: IIRC kiwiirc does. Don't wanna deal with that though..
[11:21] <theblazehen> Although with Franz I'm almost liking web apps for chat
[11:21] <andrewlsd> kiwi is quite a pretty webclient
[11:21] <theblazehen> http://meetfranz.com/
[11:21] <theblazehen> Think you just need to extract atom.asar, edit services.js and add a template for each new service
[11:46] <superfly> inetpro: WHY?! http://dha.gov.za
[11:52] <Kilos> power returned
[11:55] <superfly> Kilos: I always find that a good whipping session with the hamsters gets their wheels turning again.
[11:56] <theblazehen> superfly: inetpro broke it?
[11:56] <superfly> theblazehen: no, but he knows who to whip
[11:56] <inetpro> uh oh!
[11:56] <theblazehen> ah
[11:57] <superfly> inetpro: it's not down, it's just stupid
[11:57] <inetpro> No DNS records
[11:57] <superfly> inetpro: try www.
[11:57] <superfly> inetpro: please fix stupid.
[11:57] <superfly> :-P
[11:57] <inetpro> superfly: just use http://www.dha.gov.za/
[11:57] <superfly> inetpro: I did. I shouldn't have to.
[11:57] <inetpro> ai!
[11:58]  * inetpro obviously controls it all
[11:58] <superfly> No, ai! is that it doesn't work without the www. It doesn't even redirect. It just fails
[11:58] <superfly> inetpro: of course you do
[11:58] <theblazehen> heh, so we found out why internet was down yesterday. It's retarded.. Apparently upstream provider blocked our isp because someone on our isp's network was doing a dos. In that case *why* could we still send packets out, but just not receive any? I tested with udp, sending was fine, just nothing got received..
[11:58] <theblazehen> We need xkcd.com/806
[11:58] <theblazehen> I think that's the number
[11:59] <theblazehen> The tech support one
[11:59] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[11:59]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:00] <inetpro> Maaz: quick now
[12:00]  * inetpro needs needs a cup 'o joe
[12:00] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[12:01] <superfly> theblazehen: that's the eone
[12:01] <superfly> *one
[12:03] <theblazehen> cool
[12:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[12:03] <theblazehen> Not sure if it's cool or embaressing that I remmember the numbers..
[12:04] <inetpro> shibboleet!
[12:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:04] <Kilos> see inetpro everyone knows you are to blame
[12:05] <inetpro> no worries, I'll fix it soon
[12:05] <theblazehen> Lets see: 705:duty calls, 383: helping, 686 admin mourning, 327 bobby tables, 
[12:05] <Kilos> you need to run training courses on maintenance
[12:05] <theblazehen> I think that's it
[12:06] <Kilos> blue waters hotel transormer popped last night because when it leaked its cooling oil it was left for another days repairs
[12:06] <theblazehen> Is 604 the one with bios error codes?
[12:07] <theblazehen> umm.. 349 the one where a bsd install ends up with sharks?
[12:08] <inetpro> theblazehen: haha, you have/had way too much time on your hands
[12:08] <theblazehen> inetpro: Yes :(
[12:08] <theblazehen> Hell, xkcdrandom.theblazehen.com
[12:08] <inetpro> yikes!
[12:09] <theblazehen> I *really* like xkcd..
[12:09] <theblazehen> I have xkcd volume 0 (printed comics, with notes by randall!), what if book and thing explainer
[12:10] <theblazehen> But yeah, xkcd got me through some shitty times, so I obviously love it
[12:14]  * theblazehen wants a tablet I can stick up on my wall or something to show all messages from irc, and some server monitoring etc. No need to waste a proper display on it. 
[12:14] <theblazehen> hmm
[12:14] <theblazehen> Maybe a 8" or 10"
[12:14] <theblazehen> or something
[12:15] <Kilos> paddatrapper you here?
[12:15] <theblazehen> Or maybe ipad size, have 3 columns (irc, server monitors, (ZAR/USD, BTC/ZAR rates, time, weather))
[12:15] <theblazehen> That sounds like a good idea..
[12:15] <paddatrapper> Kilos: yeah I am
[12:16] <magespawn> theblazehen: did you see the xkcd that was an endless scrolling picture?
[12:16] <Kilos> have you those links for the phoenix game project for me please
[12:16] <theblazehen> magespawn: Which? Click and drag and the coins one both are
[12:17] <Kilos> i want to give them to the lady that is going to do the kiswahili translations
[12:17]  * theblazehen still needs to watch Time. I'm an embarresment to xkcd fans..
[12:17]  * theblazehen is even on the xkcd irc server (foonetic)
[12:17] <urbanslug> Yaaaay standing desks at work
[12:18] <Kilos> urbanslug are you going to help redempta
[12:18] <urbanslug> Kilos: Hello
[12:19] <urbanslug> Is she having issues?
[12:19] <Kilos> or does she know xml
[12:19] <urbanslug> I could call her
[12:19] <urbanslug> Oh she doesn't
[12:19] <Kilos> not started yet she is waiting for mike to supply info
[12:19] <Kilos> he was out of the country
[12:19] <urbanslug> She's a pleasure to work with, right?
[12:19] <Kilos> yes
[12:20] <Kilos> them you will need to help her i think
[12:20] <Kilos> cant you try get her on irc
[12:20] <Kilos> use my channel
[12:20] <Kilos> ##kilos
[12:20] <Kilos> teach her man
[12:20] <Kilos> emailing is a pain
[12:21] <paddatrapper> Kilos: http://raisingphoenicia.com/
[12:21] <Kilos> and the one with the xml stuff paddatrapper ?
[12:21] <paddatrapper> http://raisingphoenicia.com/localization
[12:21] <Kilos> w0000t
[12:21] <Kilos> ty
[12:22] <paddatrapper> Any time
[12:22] <Kilos> urbanslug go zipper man
[12:23] <urbanslug> Hey I was on phone with her
[12:23] <Kilos> urbanslug i will mail her the links now so if you can call her and tell her mail with links is coming that will be good and tell her you will do the xml for her
[12:23] <Kilos> is that ok?
[12:23] <urbanslug> haha you want me to teach her how to IRC? You know that's hard
[12:24] <Kilos> she has a pc right
[12:24] <urbanslug> Kilos: Well what do you mean by doing the XML for her? I have no idea what you guys are doing tbh
[12:24] <Kilos> install an irc client with my channel setup 
[12:24] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com/localization
[12:24] <urbanslug> hmmm idk whether she has  a PC
[12:25] <Kilos> that english has to be translated to swahili
[12:25] <urbanslug> Uh I work full time, I'm not sure. It depends on how much work is needed.
[12:25] <Kilos> and words spoken and recorded
[12:25] <urbanslug> Kilos: Dude that's tons of work :) 
[12:25] <Kilos> paddatrapper how much work
[12:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:25] <urbanslug> Let me google that word
[12:25] <Kilos> its for the futures of many thousands of kids man
[12:26] <paddatrapper> It is as much work as we make of it, though to be useful I'd say quite a bit!
[12:26] <urbanslug> Kilos: :D
[12:26] <Kilos> hehe
[12:26] <paddatrapper> But first thing that needs to happen is we need to work out what words and phrases to use and in what order
[12:26] <urbanslug> is paddatrapper a bot?
[12:26] <Kilos> one has to make some sacrifices in life
[12:26] <urbanslug> Ok
[12:26] <paddatrapper> urbanslug: Who me? :P
[12:27] <urbanslug> I googled the word
[12:27] <urbanslug> and found a github user
[12:27] <Kilos> no he is doing the afrikaans translation for us
[12:27] <Kilos> what word
[12:27] <urbanslug> paddatrapper: 
[12:27] <paddatrapper> Nickname from shoes I used to wear
[12:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:27] <anton_may> will make a lot of sacrifices in life but will never give up on 2 ply toilet paper :D
[12:27] <Kilos> hahahaha anton_may 
[12:27] <paddatrapper> Haha
[12:27] <urbanslug> Ok uh Kilos yes if it'll help many kids in the world
[12:27] <urbanslug> Also let me PM you
[12:27] <nlsthzn> any peeps here minecraft players that could test if my server is actually reachable outside my home network?
[12:28] <Kilos> ok
[12:28] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: I can try netcat
[12:29] <nlsthzn> thanks theblazehen
[12:29] <nlsthzn> pm sent
[12:31] <nlsthzn> thanks again theblazehen
[12:31] <urbanslug> Kilos: Hey
[12:31] <theblazehen> Cool :) glad to help
[12:32] <nlsthzn> minecraft server and dynamic dns all working :)
[12:32] <nlsthzn> even using screen
[12:32] <nlsthzn> the skillz are of the hook
[12:32] <urbanslug> Kilos: I get it man
[12:32] <Kilos> urbanslug have you called her already
[12:32] <nlsthzn> :p
[12:33] <Kilos> you get what
[12:33] <urbanslug> We can't just keep whining about the world
[12:33] <urbanslug> We gotta do something to fix it
[12:33] <Kilos> who is wining
[12:33] <urbanslug> I'm excited dude
[12:33]  * nlsthzn watched Deadpool last night and has to stop himself from being inapropriate >.<
[12:33] <urbanslug> I'm at work
[12:33] <Kilos> yes thats what we are doing
[12:33] <urbanslug> Kilos: ^5
[12:34] <urbanslug> Let me call her and ask her to check her mail
[12:34] <Kilos> for evil to flourish all it takes is for the good to sit back and do nohing
[12:34] <urbanslug> Issue is I work 9-6 Mon to Fri with lunch break
[12:34] <urbanslug> but I can push myself. I already do
[12:34]  * nlsthzn likes to water da evile from time to time
[12:35] <Kilos> after 6 is enough time
[12:35] <nlsthzn> now I need to check out to disable peeps printing and scannign to my printer via the web interface >.<
[12:35] <Kilos> ill ask her to feed you
[12:35] <Kilos> hehe
[12:36] <Kilos> if she can get on irc then it can be discussed better
[12:36] <Kilos> but then she wont feed you
[12:36] <anton_may> So this is interresting SQL Server 2016 Developer Edition will be free
[12:39] <urbanslug> Kilos: Just talked to her
[12:39] <Kilos> yes?
[12:40] <urbanslug> She'll check email. SHe has a PC. I assume windows so I will find a way to use windows and set up IRC. I assume mIRC still lives.
[12:40] <urbanslug> So she'll check her mail. All is good.
[12:40] <Kilos> as far as i know yes
[12:40] <Kilos> ty for your help
[12:41] <Kilos> keep eyes open for someone that can record well
[12:43] <nlsthzn> urbanslug: hexchat works in windows
[12:43] <nlsthzn> and is free in all the ways
[12:44] <Kilos> yay
[12:44] <Kilos> well done
[12:44] <Kilos> i knew i had the right slug
[12:44] <Kilos> mike is putting more stuff together for us too
[12:45] <Kilos> paddatrapper dont let nuvolari get too slack
[12:45] <Kilos> keep him motivated when you have time
[12:45] <Kilos> hehe
[12:45] <paddatrapper> Will do. Once the exam period is over
[12:46] <Kilos> cool ty
[12:46] <Kilos> yes dont slack off on studies
[12:46] <paddatrapper> So tempting...
[12:46] <Kilos> nono igts your future you are playing with
[12:47] <paddatrapper> I know. And I'm enjoying varsity, just sitting down and studying sucks
[12:47] <urbanslug> Kilos: Record?
[12:47] <urbanslug> LOL you fail to know what kind of person I am :D
[12:47] <Kilos> word sounds urbanslug 
[12:48] <Kilos> tell me then
[12:48]  * urbanslug is a hermit
[12:48] <Kilos> then i know what size hammer to use
[12:48] <urbanslug> atheist hermit
[12:48] <Kilos> im a hermit too
[12:48] <Kilos> beachbum
[12:48] <urbanslug> LOL really? You seem like the outgoing kind with many friends
[12:49] <Kilos> but i believe in helping others get ahead where i can
[12:49] <urbanslug> True
[12:49] <Kilos> well how come you chat to me
[12:49] <urbanslug> hmmm because I want FOSS and the community to win
[12:49] <Kilos> good man
[12:50] <urbanslug> Gotta get back to work
[12:50] <Kilos> why do you think we have the africa channel
[12:50] <urbanslug> Talk maybe at 6
[12:50] <Kilos> go lad ty
[12:50] <urbanslug> True maybe we should move all these people there
[12:50] <Kilos> no man i meant to get like minded people together to work together
[13:00] <Kilos> sjoe i need to retire
[13:00] <Kilos> theblazehen you can take over
[13:00] <Kilos> you also say lots
[13:00] <theblazehen> Heh, yeah
[13:15] <anton_may> 'n stil bek is 'n heel bek
[13:34] <theblazehen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
[13:36] <anton_may> lol yip
[13:52] <urbanslug> I learned today that Elon Musk is South African 0.o
[13:52] <urbanslug> All hail you guys!!
[13:53] <theblazehen> Yeah, he's awesome
[13:53] <superfly> urbanslug: you know that Mark Shuttleworth is also South African?
[13:53] <theblazehen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
[13:54] <paddatrapper> One is never fluent in Javascript, simply proficient with JQuery
[13:55] <superfly> heh
[13:56] <superfly> paddatrapper: have you tried AngularJS?
[13:56] <paddatrapper> I haven't actually. Don't do much web dev
[13:57] <paddatrapper> Prefer more imbedded/back-end stuff
[13:57] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: Thanks I now have a playlist for the rest of the day. Haven't listened to Weird Al in years
[13:58] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Nice :) Have you heard all about the pentiums? Also, check out monzy as well (Kill dash nine is good)
[13:58] <theblazehen> wb andrewlsd
[13:59] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: I haven't, but will certainly check them out!
[13:59] <anton_may> ok off to home, sees ya all tomorrows
[14:00] <nlsthzn> all about the pentiums
[14:00] <theblazehen> cheers anton_may
[14:00] <nlsthzn> https://youtu.be/qpMvS1Q1sos
[14:02] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: Weird Al for the win
[14:02] <andrewlsd> you wanna be hackers, code crackers ....
[14:02] <theblazehen> Reminds me from something in the movie Hackers
[14:03] <magespawn> home time. chat later all
[14:03] <theblazehen> cheers magespawn
[14:04] <theblazehen> "If the phone did put out enough energy to levitate a snowflake by radiation pressure, the power flowing through the snowflake (a few kilowatts) would quickly cause the snowflake to become a raindrop, which would quickly become water vapor, which would quickly become the least of your problems." - http://what-if.xkcd.com/87/
[14:07] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: RISC it's the future (from Hackers)
[14:07] <andrewlsd> things that didn't quite happen.
[14:08] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: It sure is! (Seriously, arm? And x86 is risc internally)
[14:08] <nlsthzn> well arm is slowly taking over the world :p
[14:08] <nlsthzn> ninja's by theblazehen
[14:08] <nlsthzn> *ninja'ed
[14:08] <andrewlsd> nlsthzn: taking over except for PC stuff. (so lots of arm in mobile, and embedded-type stuff)
[14:09] <nlsthzn> arm clusters are looking good in the server space... just need lots of em :p
[14:09] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: "x86 is risc internally" ? care to elaborate?
[14:09] <nlsthzn> very power efficient 
[14:09] <andrewlsd> the more arm you have/need, the less power/heat benefit there seems to be
[14:10] <andrewlsd> so certain cases, where minimal CPU processing like just serving cached info.
[14:10] <andrewlsd> ... might suit arm. 
[14:10] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: All the instructions are converted to a risc like thing by the microcode. 
[14:10] <andrewlsd> but for the heavy lifting other arch's are better
[14:10]  * nlsthzn is more interested in GPU power now than CPU... the new GTX1080 seems to be a monster
[14:10] <urbanslug> superfly: Yes
[14:10] <theblazehen> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5806589/why-does-intel-hide-internal-risc-core-in-their-processors
[14:10] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Yeah.. Me with my lowly GTX 980.. :(
[14:10] <andrewlsd> ty theblazehen 
[14:10] <theblazehen> Tempting
[14:11]  * nlsthzn only has a 770 :/
[14:11] <theblazehen> Hmm, pasting link deleted text I typed. Not much of a loss though
[14:11] <nlsthzn> and not even an old one at that
[14:11]  * andrewlsd has a mobile GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]
[14:11]  * theblazehen has even given my brother a spare 970.. He had a 'broken" 550 Ti beofre
[14:11] <nlsthzn> and I don't see a 980 as being lowly :p
[14:11] <theblazehen> It didn't work in windows, doesn't work with proprietary nvidia drivers, but nouveau works
[14:12] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Compared to the 1080 it is
[14:12] <nlsthzn> even a titan x seems like an under achiever compared to it (on paper) :p
[14:12]  * superfly has an intel onboard. take that!
[14:13] <theblazehen> Yeah. I hope they have increased interger performance significantly, although the 900 series did quite well
[14:13] <theblazehen> superfly: I was happy with my HD4600 for quite a while
[14:15] <theblazehen> "Furthermore, Intel knows exactly how important that commitment is, because they once tried to go a different way. Exactly how many people do you know with an Itanium CPU?!?" I had one..
[14:15] <theblazehen> Windows xp 64 bit ftw (Was decent at the time, then I moved to longhorn. Debatably the best windows version)
[14:15] <nlsthzn> the latest intel on the new i7's are decent 
[14:16] <nlsthzn> gpu's I mean
[14:16] <theblazehen> Yeah. I only got the i7-4790k, missed out on that :( Still, was faster than the 550Ti I had
[14:16] <theblazehen> And faster than the GT210..
[14:17]  * andrewlsd only uses his intel card, doesn't use the nvidia.
[14:17] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/a/uVHYy GT210 + intel + amd HD4600. Yes, it was all a mess
[14:17]  * andrewlsd only uses up to 1080p
[14:17] <theblazehen> Not even dual 1080p?
[14:17]  * nlsthzn needs a good GPU to go with the rest of a new PC for VR when he grows up
[14:18] <theblazehen> Still waiting for higher res vr
[14:19] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: nope. mebbe 1x 1080p and another 1366x768
[14:19]  * andrewlsd is quite happy with lower res.
[14:19]  * nlsthzn needs his 1080p now... hooked
[14:19] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Heh. Even with my netbook I either did 1080p + 1024x600 with tv or 1024x600 + 1024x768 with my crt
[14:19]  * andrewlsd would be happier with 2 x 1080
[14:20] <theblazehen> andrewlsd would be happier with 6x 1080
[14:20] <andrewlsd> I still have an Atom netbook.
[14:20] <andrewlsd> ... and I see Debian looks like it is about to drop 32-bit
[14:20] <theblazehen> mine died. Lightning hit phone line, went through the adsl modem and killed the netbook used as router
[14:21] <andrewlsd> my netbook has no hard drive. so it runs a live USB.
[14:21] <theblazehen> What's it used for?
[14:22] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: elementaryOS, to run hexchat or occassional travelling webbrowsing when mobile phone isn't up to the task. it has 1.5GB ram and about 9 hours of battery life.
[14:22] <andrewlsd> (I mount all the google chrome directories in tmpfs)
[14:22] <theblazehen> wow that lasts long. Mine lasted around 2-3 hours max at a tty with brightness low
[14:24] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Have a look at profile sync daemon
[14:24] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: I replaced the battery with an extended capacity battery.   and then a month later the HDD went. :-(
[14:24] <theblazehen> ouch
[14:25] <theblazehen> Tried using an sd card? Easier than a flash drive
[14:25] <andrewlsd> I could solder SATA tags onto the m-board, but the actual laptop enclosure isn't big enough to hold the drive.
[14:25] <theblazehen> Mine wouldn't boot :( Bios sucked though
[14:25] <andrewlsd> I looked at using SATA->mSATA adaptor. 
[14:25] <andrewlsd> Mine won't boot from SD
[14:26] <theblazehen> Aspire one?
[14:26] <andrewlsd> yip
[14:26] <andrewlsd> model AOA110
[14:26] <theblazehen> Mine couldn't do vga and hdmi at the same time :( Yes, I tried..
[14:26] <theblazehen> Ah
[14:26] <theblazehen> D2600 or something here
[14:27] <andrewlsd> mine only had D-SUB (vga) out
[14:27] <andrewlsd> s/had/has
[14:27] <theblazehen> Mine struggled to do 1080p and the onboard..
[14:27] <theblazehen> I didn't even use lightweight apps like vim then
[14:28] <theblazehen> firefox with vimperator and some graphical web editor :/ And ran xfce
[14:28] <theblazehen> TO be fair, xfce still runs decent on my *old* desktop (600MHz, 256 MB ram)
[14:28] <andrewlsd> for lightweight, I find enlightenment amazing
[14:29] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: On 256 MB ram?!
[14:29] <andrewlsd> I used Elive distro on my IBM 600. 128MB ram, full desktop, multiple video playback
[14:29] <theblazehen> Ah wait
[14:29] <theblazehen> thinking of elementary os. soory
[14:29] <theblazehen> nice
[14:29] <theblazehen> hd video? 
[14:29] <andrewlsd> nah. this predated HD video
[14:30] <andrewlsd> it came with  CD drive.
[14:30] <theblazehen> On my netbook xorg took ~70% cpu, pulseaudio ~40%, conky 13%, xfwm 7% or so...
[14:30] <andrewlsd> predated DVD drives.
[14:30] <theblazehen> Ah
[14:30] <andrewlsd> E17 was extremely light on CPU.
[14:31] <theblazehen> I ran it on netbook once
[14:31] <theblazehen> Didn't like the way it looks
[14:31] <theblazehen> and internally the code sucks
[14:31] <theblazehen> https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened
[14:31] <andrewlsd> I'm not qualified to comment on code quality :/
[14:32] <theblazehen> me neither
[14:32] <nlsthzn> current install with KDE 5 showing almost 6gb memory in use...
[14:32] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: My *phone* uses 2.1 GB at boot
[14:32] <nlsthzn> well I am also running a minecraft server so I am sure that is part of it :p
[14:32] <nlsthzn> theblazehen: that seems a lot ;p
[14:33] <nlsthzn> my phone only has 1gb
[14:33]  * theblazehen is using 6.1 / * GB on laptop
[14:33] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Yeah, my note 2 had 1 gb
[14:33] <theblazehen> And it had more ram free than my note 4 with 3 GB :(
[14:33] <theblazehen> s/\*/8/
[14:33] <nlsthzn> it happens, software will expand to fill all available space
[14:34] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: Eh. "Stuck" on the samsung android os
[14:34]  * nlsthzn still has more than 50% ram free at least
[14:34] <theblazehen> Don't have time to compile cyanogenmod
[14:34]  * theblazehen normally uses ~14 GB / 20 GB on desktop
[14:34] <nlsthzn> there are probably beter roms than cyanogemod in any case
[14:34] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: CM is good enough
[14:34] <theblazehen> Gets out of the way
[14:35] <nlsthzn> I think it used to be, i don't know recently
[14:41] <theblazehen> hi mazal
[14:42] <mazal> Lo theblazehen
[14:42] <theblazehen> How are you mazal?
[14:42] <mazal> Ok and you ?
[14:42] <theblazehen> I'm alright
[15:00] <andrewlsd> cheerio all
[15:03] <paddatrapper> nlsthzn: I'm running CM on my Note 2, prety slick. Definitely prefer it to stock android
[15:04] <nlsthzn> CM is basically stock android :p
[15:04] <nlsthzn> you prefer it to touchwiz
[15:04] <paddatrapper> It has improvements - like Chromecast and torch built into the system try
[15:05] <paddatrapper> I never used touchwiz. One of the first things I changed. Mainly used Apex Launcher when I had stock
[15:06] <nlsthzn> ah ok, see what you mean
[15:06]  * nlsthzn has had way to many roms on his S3...
[15:06] <nlsthzn> still haven't found what I'm looking for :p
[15:07] <paddatrapper> Lol. Yeah I keep looking for a pc-like experience for my phone, which isn't here yet
[15:24] <nlsthzn> then again, I can't seem to find what I want on my PC either... starting to think the problem is with me :p
[16:01] <nlsthzn> so a game on steam with an afrikaans title, turns out by a SA company (obviously) - https://www.skobbejakgames.com/
[16:03] <Kilos> haha
[16:43] <mazal> Their stuff looks a bit dark for me
[17:08] <nlsthzn> mixed reviews... but hey, it is still a thing :)
[18:09] <Kilos> so guys how many of you use github
[18:09] <Kilos> ive just created an account there because peeps are always saying they got stuff on github
[18:10] <Kilos> or get this or that on github
[18:14] <Kilos> paddatrapper if you studying ignore this ping
[18:15] <Kilos> aw now i forgot what i wanted to ask
[18:15] <Kilos> ai!
[18:15] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Waiting for the Debconf meeting, so I'm here
[18:15] <Kilos> mazal mors jy weer geld?
[18:15] <paddatrapper> I use Github
[18:16] <Kilos> oh my
[18:16] <mazal> Hoe nou oom ?
[18:16] <Kilos> i cant remember what i wanted to ask you
[18:16] <Kilos> speel jy online speletjies
[18:16] <mazal> Nope, offline
[18:17] <Kilos> good lad
[18:17] <mazal> Inet sucks too much for online tonight
[18:17] <Kilos> oh
[18:17] <Kilos> paddatrapper 
[18:17] <paddatrapper> Nope. Don't really game
[18:17] <Kilos> you tried that light browser hey
[18:18] <paddatrapper> I didn't. Just thought it looked cool. I like Firefox though
[18:18] <Kilos> xombrero
[18:18] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:18] <paddatrapper> What is the usecase for Activities in KDE?
[18:18] <Kilos> i wanted to know how to bookmark pages and how to open in new windows
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <paddatrapper> ctrl+b?
[18:19] <Kilos> i dont undrstand that, ask the clevererers
[18:19] <paddatrapper> Why are there both activities and virtual desktops?
[18:19] <Kilos> why not
[18:20] <Kilos> superfly inetpro thats for you guys to answer
[18:20] <paddatrapper> Lol Good point
[18:20] <Kilos> ctrl+b doenst work
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <Kilos> peeps like saying because we can
[18:21] <Kilos> DalekSec you here?
[18:21] <Kilos> or must i try find unit193
[18:22] <inetpro> paddatrapper: I'm still only using it the old style way with four virtual desktops
[18:22] <paddatrapper> inetpro: Same here. Also got any interesting wigets to recommend?
[18:23] <inetpro> in fact I mostly use a single desktop to be honest but multiple desktops are often nice to have
[18:23] <Kilos> pager
[18:23] <Kilos> pager is workspace switcher
[18:23] <Kilos> ne inetpro 
[18:23] <inetpro> the logic of activities is not clear to me
[18:25] <inetpro> the only widgets I use these days are those found on the taskbar
[18:26] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:26] <Kilos> i need pager
[18:26] <Kilos> but then my fingers are older
[18:30] <paddatrapper> I use it occasionally. But also mapped swapping to meta + 1,2,3,etc
[18:30]  * inetpro prefers to have maximum resources available for active applications 
[18:30] <inetpro> widgets and gizmos are not for me
[18:31] <Kilos> jaja geek type
[18:31] <paddatrapper> It's the best part of a new DE (though usually I end up deleting them...)
[18:32] <Kilos> i use pager all the time 
[18:32] <inetpro> but then...
[18:32]  * inetpro is a very boring kind of guy
[18:32] <Kilos> to switch in my 9 workspaces and im not changing
[18:32] <Kilos> yes he is
[18:32] <Kilos> and forgets to greet even at times
[18:33] <Kilos> but i still like him
[18:33] <Kilos> he my boetie
[18:33] <inetpro> uh...
[18:33] <Kilos> even when in strydom mode
[18:33] <inetpro> sorry oom
[18:33] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <inetpro> all your fault
[18:34] <Kilos> yes of course
[18:34] <Kilos> paddatrapper when your meet starting
[18:34] <inetpro> I just stepped into the room as you pinged me
[18:34] <Kilos> im just teasing man
[18:35] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Now
[18:35] <inetpro> :-)
[18:35] <Kilos> grumpy old ballie
[18:35] <Kilos> go paddatrapper 
[18:35] <paddatrapper> wbb
[18:35] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[18:35] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:36] <Kilos> and peeps wonder why my hair is falling out so fast
[18:38] <inetpro> Kilos: you have hair?
[18:38] <Kilos> yes long hair
[18:38] <Kilos> winter woolies
[18:39] <inetpro> hmm....
[18:39] <Kilos> just starting to cover top of ears
[18:39] <inetpro> all fake
[18:40] <Kilos> nee man genuine hair
[18:40] <Kilos> my own
[18:40] <Kilos> hurts to pull out
[18:40] <inetpro> cool :-)
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> you thought i was bald?
[18:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:41] <inetpro> just making sure you are still yourself
[18:41] <Kilos> haha
[18:42] <Kilos> you forget my hackergotchi had hair
[18:45] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/QGettt4.jpg
[18:51] <magespawn> good evening
[18:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:52] <magespawn> theblazehen: i am in deep trouble because of you ....
[18:52] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[18:53] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:53] <theblazehen> magespawn: what did I do..?
[18:54] <magespawn> reminded me about xkcd, lost about 2 hours work
[18:54] <theblazehen> Oh. Haha. Did you at least browse with my site? :)
[18:56] <theblazehen> magespawn: lost as in lost the files you were working on / whatever, or just wasted time?
[18:57] <magespawn> dont think, i was just using the links and numbers you sent intially
[18:57] <magespawn> nah just 'wasted' time, not really wasted in my view, when reading xkcd
[18:58] <magespawn> and not really in trouble
[18:59] <magespawn> i never seem to able to read just one, and it is the first time i have seen that what-it site
[18:59] <magespawn> s/what-it/what-if
[19:01] <theblazehen> Yeah, then not-just-one thing is exactly *why* I made the site :)
[19:02] <theblazehen> Did I get the numbers right BTW?
[19:02] <magespawn> for the ones i looked at yes
[19:06] <theblazehen> Nice
[19:08] <magespawn> 10 guesses what i am doing now, and the first 9 do not count
[19:12] <magespawn> what is your site theblazehen, i think i missed it last time around
[19:13] <theblazehen> xkcdrandom.theblazehen.co.
[19:13] <theblazehen> Com *
[19:13] <theblazehen> magespawn: 
[19:14] <theblazehen> Yes, I'm aware CSS is a thing. 
[19:14] <theblazehen> A thing I'm going to ignore 
[19:15] <magespawn> okay then
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <theblazehen> Night Kilos 
[19:29] <magespawn> theblazehen: any particular reason why you are ignoring CSS?
[19:30] <theblazehen> magespawn: laziness 
[19:30] <theblazehen> Motherfuckingwebsite.com
[19:31] <theblazehen> Although better motherfuckingwebsite is nice with a little CSS 
[19:32] <magespawn> ah i like that answer theblazehen 
[19:35] <magespawn> that is funny as ....
[19:42] <mazal> night everyone
[19:55] <paddatrapper> Nag almal
[20:43] <magespawn> theblazehen: does your site just pull the xkcd comics randomly?