[04:52] Morning [04:53] hi mazal paddatrapper anton_may inetpro magespawn nlsthzn and others [04:57] Gaanit oom [04:58] koud maar ok anders danlie en jy? [04:58] dankie [04:58] Karring maar aan [04:58] morning superfly [05:06] mornings [05:13] Morning Kilos, mazal, autonomy, everyone else [05:14] whois autonomy [05:14] Morning anton_may , paddatrapper [05:14] how did your python job go [05:14] morning mazal [05:16] Auto correct on anton_may... [05:16] lol [05:16] yes i'm my own ruler!!! [05:17] Kilos: it's getting there. Only two things remain: compiling in the GUI file and adding libav to the execution path. Which hopefully will be today's problem to fix [05:18] anton_may: lol [05:26] good morning [05:26] hi magespawn [05:28] Morning magespawn [05:31] mornings [05:31] hi thatgraemeguy [05:33] o/ [05:34] Morning thatgraemeguy , nlsthzn [05:42] so how is everybody in ZA land this morning? [05:42] cold [05:42] send heat [05:43] Not yet, but apparently the cold and rain :0 will hit Gautendg by the weekend [05:44] eish , im freezing allready [05:45] oi vey [05:57] if I could I would... enough here for both countries and some change [06:17] hi andrewlsd [06:19] And others [06:20] hi theblazehen (and others) [07:40] morning all [07:40] 0/ chesedo [07:54] hi chesedo- [07:55] \m/ [07:55] * nlsthzn rocks out [07:55] anton_may type first three letters of the nick and hit tab [07:55] Maaz: tea please [07:55] As soon as the kettle boils nlsthzn I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [07:55] then caps and tails are added for you [07:56] thanks Maaz [07:56] Maaz coffee on [07:56] * Maaz puts the kettle on [07:58] good mornings [07:58] power out again Maaz? [07:58] hi inetpro [07:58] Maaz: coffee please [07:58] inetpro: Sure [07:59] sup inetpro... [07:59] Maaz: tea please [07:59] As soon as the kettle boils paddatrapper I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [08:00] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [08:00] Maaz: dankie [08:00] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [08:00] That actually would be really nice about now... Suppose I'd better wait until I get home [08:00] Maaz dankie [08:00] Groot plesier Kilos my vriend [08:03] hi Kilos, chesedo-, anton_may, nlsthzn, inetpro [08:03] paddatrapper: [08:03] hi theblazehen [08:04] Het theblazehen [08:06] het? [08:06] het wat [08:06] s/het/hey [08:07] My autocorrect really isn't with me today [08:07] you youngsters not supposed to make mistakes [08:07] lol [08:08] The point of being young is so that you have an excuse for the mistake. Lol [08:09] hahaha === chesedo- is now known as chesedo [08:15] it's pretty chilly down in /\/¯¯¯¯\/\ today [08:15] lol [08:15] hi andrewlsd [08:16] my coffee is cold already, barely made it. [08:16] hi Kilos [08:16] anyone here played with appear.in? [08:17] https://appear.in/ubuntu-za?lowData [08:27] andrewlsd: I've been in a jersey all day... Luckily not much wind [08:37] ello andrewlsd from my cam [08:37] isee he is busy on the phone [08:38] yip [08:39] it's a webRTC video/audio/text chat.. what is nice about it is, you don't need to signup or log in. [08:39] yip i see so with up 8 ppl [08:40] And because webRTC is works on phones, etc too [08:40] nice never played with webRTC [08:41] paddatrapper: correct. [08:41] * theblazehen wonders how complicated the webRTC protocol is. Perhaps it could serve as a udp equivelant of websockets, for browser games etc [08:42] theblazehen: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Games/Techniques/WebRTC_data_channels [08:42] i can snoop through my sflows and report back a bit later [08:43] ty andrewlsd [08:43] theblazehen: https://www.cubeslam.com/lyyfqp [08:44] theblazehen: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/03/webrtc-data-channels-for-great-multiplayer/ [08:45] ty [08:50] maaz coffee please [08:50] andrewlsd: There isn't a pot on [08:50] * andrewlsd goes to find his own coffee then [08:54] Maaz: Coffee on please [08:54] theblazehen: What? [08:54] Maaz: Coffee on [08:54] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:58] Coffee's ready for theblazehen! [08:58] ty Maaz [08:59] Hello, sluggie is saying hey :D [09:00] hey urbanslug [09:00] Nothing much, just seeking out community. Like many humans do. [09:00] yeah [09:03] theblazehen: You? [09:03] Also working [09:03] Programming [09:03] As a subset of humans do :D [09:03] Yeah. Waiting for puppet to run.. [09:04] " Running the Puppet deployment. This step may take up to an hour." :( [09:04] I noticed there may be sheep in this channel. After they overthrow Kilos [09:04] theblazehen: An hour? [09:04] Why so? Network things? [09:04] urbanslug: Installing openshift. That's what the installer script says.. [09:04] And the sheep say "Viva la revolution" [09:05] And ZA normally has slower network than most places [09:05] theblazehen: Not familiar with openshift :) will find out [09:05] theblazehen: You know where I'm from? [09:05] urbanslug: Familiar with kubernetes? Docker? [09:05] urbanslug: Nah, where? [09:06] Docker a little the other one no. [09:06] theblazehen: Somewhere in upper north (but still in Africa) which is literally everywhere. [09:06] : [09:06] :p [09:07] Ah cool [09:08] theblazehen: Kenya [09:08] cool [09:08] Yeah it's been raining for a few days [09:08] Get it? [09:08] not really? [09:08] YOu said cool and I talked about the literally cool weather here? [09:09] meh [09:09] ah [09:09] I wonder if any text editor would understand LF+CR [09:10] Actually, why don't any editors interpret it literally? [09:10] Say type 40 characters, LF, and you get 40 blank spaces on the 2nd line before your text [09:11] theblazehen: How should I do the LF+CR thing? [09:11] It didn't do anything in emacs [09:11] urbanslug: No idea. Hex editor? [09:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline [09:11] Unix uses LF, windows CR + LF [09:12] "LF+CR: Acorn BBC and RISC OS spooled text output." Oh, hmm [09:12] Is there L in Hex? [09:12] urbanslug: `man ascii` [09:13] no [09:13] Get hex value there [09:13] 4c [09:18] urbanslug: `echo '00000000: 4869 0a48 690a 7465 7374' | xxd -r` [09:18] Doesn't work the way that would be interesting [09:19] I think it's only reading the LF though, as that's what unix normally uses [09:19] Need to test on windows [09:20] wine notepad interprets it same as linux. weird [09:21] * theblazehen needs to test on real windows. Maybe wine one reads like linux too. I know that windows notepad doesn't do a newline on LF, only CRLF [09:21] wine notepad breaks on the LF alone [09:21] haha slugman [09:23] urbanslug: Check man 7 ascii, at the top of table, it has the NUL, SOH etc there. LF and CR are there [09:23] Interesting actually. I dunno why we use csv and tsv, and not 'RS (record separator)' [09:23] I mean, that is it's purpose.. [09:24] sorry, probably looking for US, with RS beig the line feed equivelant then [09:25] Actually, I wish we actually *used* the first 31 ascii characters [09:27] "EBCDIC systems—mainly IBM mainframe systems, including z/OS (OS/390) and i5/OS (OS/400)—use NL (New Line, 0x15)[2] as the character combining the functions of line-feed and carriage-return. The equivalent UNICODE character is called NEL (Next Line). Note that EBCDIC also has control characters called CR and LF, but the numerical value of LF (0x25) differs from the one used by ASCII (0x0A). Additionally, some EBCDIC variants also [09:27] use NL but assign a different numeric code to the character." Hmm. /me needs to read the man page to try see why people don't like ebcdic [09:27] theblazehen: Cool stuff :) [09:27] urbanslug: Yeah :) I love old computer stuff. [09:27] theblazehen: tis well before my time I will have such fun over lunch [09:27] urbanslug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers:_Heroes_of_the_Computer_Revolution if you want :) [09:28] wasn't that a movie? [09:28] * theblazehen has been planning to read it again for a while. /me looks for an audiobook [09:28] Hmm, dunno [09:28] asdas [09:29] hi kulelu88 [09:29] About time.. puppet part of openshift install is done [09:29] yo theblazehen [09:31] urbanslug: Not a movie. Good [09:32] http://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/hackers-heroes-of-the-computer-revolution/248513 Hmm. I hope there isn't drm [09:32] I'm sure there probably is [09:32] Nothing pulseaudio can't get rid of :) [09:33] what you installing on openshift? theblazehen [09:33] kulelu88: I'm just trying it out, seeing how it works [09:33] I had ubuntu server set up at home with kvm and lxd. Liked that. Raid died though. 2(!) drives failed in the first week [09:34] theblazehen: are you oom Kilos son? [09:34] kulelu88: Nope [09:35] LXD confuses me (a bit). I know LXC good enough, but from what I understand, LXD is like Docker [09:36] kulelu88: Not quite [09:36] Lxd is basically a way of managing lxc containers [09:36] haha [09:36] kulelu88 wolfeyes is my son [09:37] I like it because it "just works" (haven't tried plain lxc on ubuntu, only arch), but with lxd on ubuntu I can use lxc (the lxc client, not actual lxc. Yes, confusing) to connect from arch and it works [09:37] theblazehen: CLI manager? But from what I know, you get access to the base image as well? [09:37] kulelu88: How do you mean by the base image? [09:38] lxc also overlayfs, lxd makes that easier with their profiles or defaults or whatever they call it, but I just use it to start the basic containers [09:38] in LXC, it just pulls the image. in LXD, you can customize settings for the base image [09:38] Ah yes. It has access to the same base images as normal lxc [09:39] this is what I use to manage my LXC containers: http://pymag09.github.io/lxc-ui/ [09:39] Yeah. Haven't fiddled too much. Only had it running for like 2 days before the disks failed (Never getting seagate again.. Were on special, though even if 1 fails I still get a good deal. Then 2 failed. Raid 5 doesn't like that :() [09:39] Ah, cool [09:40] urbanslug: Kenya is nice. [09:43] LXD does use LXC containers though. LXC containers are nice if you want something that is more permanent, server-like [09:43] but lighter on resources [09:43] as compared to Docker, which you shouldn't be patching your docker containers, you should destroy them and deploy new ones. [09:43] end of TL;DR [09:43] paddatrapper: ping [09:43] hi superfly :-) [09:44] hey superfly [09:44] sup theblazehen, andrewlsd [09:44] kulelu88: nice LXC pymag link, thanks. [09:45] Hey superfly [09:46] paddatrapper: here's the build script my project uses: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openlp-core/openlp/packaging/view/head:/windows/windows-builder.py [09:46] Thanks. I'll take a look [09:49] theblazehen: you going to set up a matrix.org server in your openshift? [09:50] matrix.org looks like an interesting project [09:50] andrewlsd: Nah. Just testing it on local VM here. Gonna test the remaining 2 drives, maybe do a raid 1, then set it up on ubuntu server again [09:50] theblazehen: remember mhddfs [09:50] Just plain lxd, docker and kvm :) [09:51] Hip, hip who raids? [09:51] andrewlsd: yeah. Not gonna try split data across drives though. Right now I just want to ensure that *one* drive at least works :( [09:51] andrewlsd: I plan on working on a tool to update LXC containers without destroying them [09:51] Raid on the pc I had set up before the 2 drives failed. Have 32 GB ram going to waste at the moment.. [09:52] :( [09:52] ouch. 32GB unused ram, yes, that is a waste. Rectify it immediately ;-) [09:53] andrewlsd: As soon as I have a chance.. :( [09:53] Was literally working until like 1:30 this morning. Did I mention I hate php? [09:54] :-P [09:54] with a PhPassion [09:54] hmm. can you get a PhD in Php [09:55] Especially 10 year old php, that assumes that the domain you're referring to is to the left of the tld. Gotta work around it for doing debug.site.tld.example.com now :( [09:55] ... did you rewrite all the functionality in a python flask? [09:55] *i*? no thanks [09:55] 10 years old? is that PHP4? [09:55] andrewlsd: I wish.. [09:55] kulelu88: Could be [09:55] Some old oscommerce shop [09:55] test a PHP5 command on it. [09:56] kulelu88: Code is running on a new server with php 6 :) [09:56] there's no point repairing/fixing old PHP. it has enough holes to get infected very very quickly [09:56] Moved from an old gentoo box updated in 2009 [09:56] it's time to replace that oscommerce . [09:56] kulelu88: Yeah. Ads soon as I can I'm gonna get each site running in a docker [09:57] kulelu88: that's not a bug, it's a feature. [09:57] theblazehen: that won't protect it LOL [09:57] you need a firewall [09:57] andrewlsd: Heh.. We have at least 10 different sites with heavy modifications to the framework etc, and new ones being actively developed based on the oxid shop system [09:57] kulelu88: That kills the sales [09:58] theblazehen: unfavourable side-effect :-P [09:58] andrewlsd: Not my decision to make unfortunately :/ [09:59] Best we can do is seperate LEMP running in docker for each site [10:00] with trickled (so that performance is horrible, then you can say "it would be better if we do the new version") [10:00] andrewlsd: Time better spent on working on the new sites [10:01] yip [10:01] theblazehen: docker is not meant to be running processes like that though. you need to split M and P [10:01] for me: IRC > slack/rocket.chat [10:01] kulelu88: Yeah. confession: I'm more of a config management in a container kind of guy [10:02] andrewlsd: Agreed. That's why I linked to matrix.org in rocket chat, has an irc interface [10:02] federated too, no need for multiple chat clients for each service [10:02] In theory [10:02] * andrewlsd channels "The Offspring": you got to keep it federated. [10:03] Freenode really needs to actually hook up to the matrix network. Perhaps I should contact them. Worst case I run a server (You don't need *huge* specs for it, and connect it myself) [10:03] Oh, nice! https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode/ [10:04] '/join #freenode_#channelname:matrix.org' Oh come on! [10:04] wootness. [10:04] I want to /join #ubuntu-za:freenode.org [10:04] That's the *whole point* of being federated! [10:04] matrix.org as an IRC bouncer. [10:05] with endless history. [10:05] Yeah. [10:05] (coz I don't like using irssi ) [10:05] * theblazehen is using quassel. Quite nice [10:05] Qt based though [10:05] theblazehen: QT whilst you're ahead. [10:05] It ran fine even on a 512 MB digital ocean droplet, and has a nice android app [10:06] mebbe it's time to try again. [10:06] andrewlsd: I don't like the whole kde theme "feel", too much rounded corners and stuff. And I've tried themes [10:06] Also try out weechat, I want to use it again when I have time to configure it. Also has a web interface and android app [10:07] IRC is not really federated if we're all using freenode. same issue with slack then [10:07] was just about to say, theblazehen, that I was going to go install arch+kde soz to not use GTK stuff. [10:07] Fedora with kde here now.. [10:07] ugh. [10:07] Fedora always had the 2nd worst KDE. [10:07] worst goes to CentOS [10:08] kulelu88: Yeah, but matrix is federated. I'm saying we should be connecting to freenode via matrix, not that freenode is federated. It's basically just a proxy through matrix.org's server. [10:08] * andrewlsd goes to rinse his eyes with vinegar. [10:08] andrewlsd: Yeah, was *okay* on arch too. But I can't deal with it's multi monitor :( [10:08] AwesomeWM has independant workspaces / display, kwin not :( [10:08] ^ theblazehen has some hectic multimonitor stuff going on [10:08] I really like kde now.. [10:08] lol [10:09] andrewlsd: Yup. 9280x2560 I think [10:09] so there is a linux OS where each workspace can have its own screen? [10:09] kde rocks [10:09] theblazehen: Plz share/explain your monitor set ups here. Just soz these peeps can know. [10:09] how many graphics cards, how many workspaces.... [10:09] theblazehen: you using a proxy? [10:09] kulelu88: a wm to be specific [10:10] resolution is 9280x2560 [10:10] 2x vertical 2560x1440 monitors on the left [10:11] 1x normal 4k monitor in the middle, and another 2560x1440 on the right [10:11] All displays are powered with 1 GTX 980, but I have 2x GTX 970's also, for cryptocurrency mining [10:11] you getting as bad as symmetria [10:11] theblazehen: are you at broadcast depth now (in the Nebuchadnezzar)? [10:11] kulelu88: you could use i3. By default each monitor will have a workspace [10:12] paddatrapper: i3 being a .deb package? [10:12] paddatrapper: Yeah, on awesomewm each monitor has 10 workspaces :) On i3 theyre shared [10:12] theblazehen: we need pics [10:12] http://imgur.com/gallery/9qITRRc older pic [10:12] i3wm [10:12] theblazehen: +1 [10:13] theblazehen: og cool. I kinda like the shared access. Makes them easier to switch between. [10:13] and theblazehen, that little JBL is a goodie. [10:13] andrewlsd: Yeah, it is [10:13] paddatrapper: Yeah, makes sense [10:13] and you code in PHP? theblazehen :D [10:14] I normally use 3-7 workspaces on each disaply, so not an option here.. [10:14] kulelu88: When I have to [10:14] Which is pretty much 20-40 hours / week [10:14] Sometimes more :/ [10:14] what's your day job? theblazehen [10:14] theblazehen: how?? I struggle to fill 5 workspaces total on a busy day of programming [10:15] kulelu88: I work with andrewlsd [10:15] paddatrapper: I'll try to get a busy shot sometime :) [10:15] but kulelu88 , I don't think we make theblazehen use PHP. [10:15] andrewlsd: Yeah :p Python ftw here [10:15] php is at my night / weekend job [10:15] andrewlsd: where do you guys work? [10:15] kulelu88: lsd.co.za [10:16] we are everywhere__ [10:16] theblazehen: do you have a link to that background anywhere? [10:16] paddatrapper: It's a cron job that generates it :) [10:16] https://github.com/TomSmeets/FractalArt [10:17] That's an interesting way of doing it! [10:17] IT Ninjas :P [10:17] kulelu88: did you play with SailfishOS? [10:18] shit, you guys are using all the keywords :P Guru, Rockstar, Magician [10:18] andrewlsd: Did you? I *really* want one of those phones [10:18] * theblazehen was even planning on porting it to work on my note 2 [10:18] Not even gonna try for my note 4 :( [10:18] I'm waiting for the ubuntu phone [10:19] kulelu88: Meh [10:19] Don't like it's snappy apps [10:19] I just want to install a .deb or .rpm on my phone [10:19] neo900.org :) [10:20] Does your office have fibre? andrewlsd [10:20] where theblazehen is, yes. But yesterday our Fibre provider had an outage. [10:20] where I am, DSL. [10:20] andrewlsd: And the day before.. [10:20] ... outage was a routing problem, not a connectivity one. [10:21] yeah [10:21] that first comment below your imgur image rings true with fibre [10:21] andrewlsd: Sent rocket.chat message [10:21] I want to try port Ubuntu to my note 2 and tab 2... Just need to find time! [10:22] paddatrapper: Most of the work for n7100 is done. Do you have n710 or n7105? [10:22] sailfish is better suited for mobile porting [10:22] Easy to port, just add lte modules [10:23] kulelu88: Indeed. Based on mer framework [10:23] n7100 [10:23] theblazehen: ^ [10:23] Ah. Easier then. There's even an image for you to download and flash :) [10:23] * theblazehen misses my old phone [10:24] n7100 = nokia? [10:24] Nah :) Samsung galaxy note 2 without lte [10:25] I miss my nokia 5530.. Which would have issues playing a 64kbit mp3 stream, having a web browser open and a text editor [10:25] Nice phone. Though I've lost my SPen ... [10:25] !FUN! fact: That's where I really started learning programming. Before I just used QBASIC / Visual basic 5 [10:25] theblazehen: did you go for geekconf? [10:26] Then I got a AMP stack on my phone.. [10:26] Then 000webhost with a ftp sync cient. First "proper" language was therefore php. Still remember when I enjoyed it.. Was still favourite language in 2013/2014 or so [10:26] kulelu88: Nah [10:26] Where / when was that? [10:28] http://www.geekfest.co.za/about-geekfest/ [10:28] I only saw it last week [10:28] I almost miss coding with a tiny screen, T9 keyboard because qwerty was too slow.. Of course no syntax hilighting [10:28] Could mess around in the system directories easily, unlike android etc [10:29] Wow, I must be the only person that misses Symbian [10:29] ty for link kulelu88 [10:29] * andrewlsd liked Symbian too. [10:29] * theblazehen even installed a custom rom, brought some of the 5800 features, and had a lock screen with widgets :) [10:29] Symbian wasn't exactly open source though [10:30] kulelu88: Yeah [10:30] Well, android wasn't much of a thing really. I actually wanted an early android but got that instead [10:30] apparently hackers had the private keys to do MitM attacks for updates to symbianOS [10:31] Wasn't hard actually. IIrc the one way I "rooted" it was like that [10:33] I still have a Symbian phone that's going strong [10:34] Nokia E63 [10:35] even paddatrapper looks like he is using a proxy [10:35] Nope. Just a vps sitting in France [10:36] * andrewlsd goes off to install more Zimbra. [10:44] paddatrapper: You also use quassel right? [10:48] I used http://phoneky.com/applications/?id=y1y33610 as my symbian homescreen [10:49] theblazehen: weechat [10:49] paddatrapper: Nice [10:50] I like it because it works nicely with ssh. So, no matter the machine I sit down at, I can still connect [10:50] * theblazehen wonders if I should use haproxy or nginx as reverse proxy at home [10:50] Yeah [10:51] nginx will work with letsencrypt, which is neat [10:51] * theblazehen want to stop paying for dedicated server, but I'm running a mirror service and don't really wanna take it down :( [10:51] do you have a static IP? [10:51] Nah, dhcp. [10:51] dynamic dns [10:52] http://mirrors.theblazehen.com/bandwidthReport.html nevermind. Not many people using my mirror [10:52] Mostly just the tor node [10:58] theblazehen: you could probably get a static IP for a few bucks. [10:58] 50 rand I think [10:58] does anybody tinker with jquery here? [11:01] kulelu88: I wrote a few plugins in my past life [11:02] superfly: maybe I can tinker with your brain for some assistance [11:02] lol [11:03] kulelu88: hold on why I unscrew my head [11:03] you time travel as well [11:03] s/why/while/ [11:03] andrewlsd: My ip hasn't changed since I got this adsl line (2 months? 3?) [11:03] So either way, it's basically static, no problem if it occasionally changes [11:04] I still wouldn't run my dns ns at home though [11:13] tru [11:13]