[16:53] <flocculant> any sensible reason why we have gnome-user-guide in x-core/desktop ?
[18:53] <knome> can't think of any
[18:54] <Unit193> Deps pull it in.
[19:02] <flocculant> I assumed that was the case - can never work out the why :p
[19:44] <flocculant> knome: so re our release notes and the issues with the ubuntu wiki - what do you think's the best thing to do? 
[19:45] <flocculant> and if we're going to move them - I guess they'll need somewhere to go
[19:46] <knome> i guess it's fair enough to move to our own wiki if we think it's worth it to copy over some markup from the ubuntu wiki once or twice a cycle
[19:46] <flocculant> mmm
[19:47] <knome> ok, i completely broke my new version of the tracker and rebuilt it better
[19:48] <flocculant> currently with the wiki immutable - means we can't do anything with the current note, not keeping it up to date very regularly atm, but who knows how long it'll be till it's editable
[19:48] <knome> ack
[19:49] <knome> one option is to wait for some time to see if the community team comes up with something reliable with IS
[19:49] <flocculant> right
[19:49] <knome> some time not being too long
[19:50] <flocculant> well
[19:50] <flocculant> perhaps
[19:50] <flocculant> my issue is I guess that in some future when we *do* need to edit - we'll not be able to 
[19:50] <knome> yes
[19:51] <flocculant> and I really can't see why IS would give one about us not being able to be up to date for our testers - not their worry :)
[19:51] <flocculant> so bleating in sysadmin's not going to be much use 
[19:52] <knome> the ubuntu wiki has some content that is important enough for canonical to let people edit that it's likely getting more friction than the community wiki
[19:52] <flocculant> yup
[19:53] <flocculant> cept release notes aren't on community wiki
[19:53] <knome> no
[19:53] <knome> and shouldn't
[19:54] <flocculant> I guess if someone is canonical then they're going to be able to edit 
[19:54] <knome> nope
[19:54] <knome> that shouldn't be it
[19:54] <knome> well at least as i understand it...
[19:54] <knome> anyway, they do want some community be able to edit something
[19:55] <knome> if seems like not and the situation isn't fixed timely, then of course we should use something else
[19:55] <flocculant> I guess the long and short is I'll just move the note I care about editing 
[19:55] <flocculant> well - if they're trying to plug a spam hole - there will be a new one as soon as it is plugged
[19:55]  * knome shrugs
[19:56] <knome> i don't really know enough about what's happening to evaluate
[19:56] <flocculant> nope
[19:56] <knome> i know some of the community team have been talking about migrating away from moinmoin
[19:56] <knome> so, maybe something like that is being thought about
[19:57] <flocculant> don't see how that'd help deal with spammers being spammers
[19:58] <knome> maybe there are better spam-detecting measures in other wikis that are actively developed
[19:58] <knome> and automatic spam cleaning
[19:59] <flocculant> no idea
[19:59] <knome> i have no exact idea either; i haven't looked closely at many wikis lately
[19:59] <knome> but i'm sure something like that has to exist, otherwise all wikis would be full of crap
[19:59] <flocculant> aren't they? 
[19:59] <knome> well, that's a different matter...
[19:59] <flocculant> :p
[21:14] <Unit193> FWIW, I'm actually running the GTK3/gdbus ports.
[21:15] <Unit193> Tumbler seems fine.
[21:18] <ochosi> Unit193: that's awesome news
[21:18] <ochosi> what was the thing about xfconf you wanted to tell ali?
[21:19] <Unit193> Well there's not a lot that's in the PPA yet.  Uhh, that it's broken in some specific call, can't remember what. >_<  `make distcheck` should find it, or if I can find a pastebin.
[21:23] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/8xFJXvYPeAkEsfPJUuex/ it was in #xfce-dev...
[21:24] <ochosi> i see
[21:24] <ochosi> you could submit a bugreport or send it to the mailing list
[21:27] <Unit193> Yeah on the todo.
[21:27] <ochosi> good good, just wanna make sure it doesn't get lost
[21:28] <Unit193> Won't get lost, just ignored. :P