 woah, has this channel really gone silent today? I'm sitting next to my daddy still, he's unconscious but still breathing with extra oxygen. Heart is beating a mile a minute though, and he's not eaten or had any liquids for about a week. :(
 :(
 I'm in a hospital with my grandpa but 'luckly' only with leg problems.
[07:27] <yofel> mamarley: I'm not exactly against the idea of working upside-down, but that needs some thinking about the merge order. Because working on both at the same time doesn't really work out
[07:28] <yofel> hm... or maybe working on both exactly in parallel would actually work, but that requires some git foo and imposes more work on the packager
[07:30] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: the devel task is fixed, not the xenial one. The SRU is still pending
 *clivejo feels like he's had a body part removed*
 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to you all
[08:27] <yofel> how fun, while we're fixing nmqt, there's a mail to kde-distro-packagers about even more nm 1.2 patches
[08:27] <yofel> yaaaaaaaay...
 {{{{{{{{{{ hugs }}}}}}}}}} @Valoriez
 awwww, thanks clive
 thank goodness for the irc<>telegram bridge
 Yeah I would be offline for sure right now!
 Might be able to get a router later on
 well, my sister is asleep in the next room, and my dad is next to me
 and I want to be in touch with all my friends
 not just FB and such
 Arthur (my dog) had a seisure the other night, a massive one... we're doing some investigation, but... we might have to put him down if nothing can be done...
 {{{ hugs }}} all round
 Hey thanks Clifford
 oh, @ovidiuflorin so sorry to hear that
 losing a dog is just terrible
 /me Very Sad news
 they win your heart and then break it
 They definitely become like family members
 we're kind of hoping not to have to
 but the problems keep coming...
 we should move this in offtopic/cafe
 Why can't I get nouveau to work
 FFS despite GCC update still won't build nvidia drivers properly
[10:14] <acheron88> clivejo: nothing in that GCC update that would fix it as far as I see. think that needs to be done in the module code and/or kernel&headers
[10:14] <acheron88> clivejo: when you got it compiled yesterday with the altered flags, did you see any other error in dmesg/logs as well as the blank screen?
[10:14] <acheron88> sddm has always been a bit flaky for me, even with perfectly working drivers
[10:15] <acheron88> couls be worth trying lightdm if there is no other obvious error form the module or logs
[10:15] <mamarley> SDDM seems to have a bad habit of segfaulting if it encounters anything about the graphics configuration that it doesn't like.
[10:17] <acheron88> exactly. it's coping here on a relatively clean install, but beforehand I had to resort to lightdm, as sddm just refused to load on that install
 I'm getting similar compile errors for bbswitch whatever that is. Seems to be part of the nividia driver
 Run postinst
[10:38] <acheron88> bumblebee is gpu switching support for optimus laptops I think?
[10:38] <acheron88> if you've not got hybrid dual graphics I think it doesn't matter
[10:51] <soee> hiho
[10:51] <soee> sgclark: you already work for Debian? :)
 I dunno. I can compile with no errors using the flags you said to add, but the driver won't start
 I've purged all nvidia stuff and install nouveau driver but that won't work either
[11:00] <yofel> @Clifford: what does the Xorg log say when you try to start nouveau? Just segmentation fault or something else?
 Yofel can't be bothered trying again
[11:04] <yofel> oh, so you have something running now at least?
 So fed up with Ubuntu and sorry excuse for broadband in this country right now
 Nope. I've nothing
 Only a 2g connection that disappears if I dare move from my bedroom window
[11:13] <yofel> brrrr
[11:15] <yofel> oh just great, our nmqt SRU failed to build in xenial
 I really don't get how we can't get a tiny patch to timeout a network connection yet major packages like mysql5.7 and GCC are pushed out with little or no testing
[11:15] <yofel> looks like some genius decided to update nm as well *-.-
[11:16]  * yofel goes fixing
[11:16] <yofel> @Clifford: pitti actually approved both pending SRUs today
 Yeah but they go into proposed
 And tested
[11:17] <yofel> yes, this is POST release
[11:17] <yofel> well, you have proposed pre-release too, but that's not tested in this way
[11:18] <soee> yofel: so what are your final thughts about mamarley proposal of inverted packaging X -> Y?
[11:19] <yofel> none yet
 Sorry not in a great mood right now
 Broken system and can't get the resources to fix it
[11:20] <soee> Cliv whay not simple reinstall? :>
 *clivejo goes and takes it out on some logs*
 I have no internet to download the iso
 Its bloody ridiculous
 I pay £35 a month for internet and £15 for mobile service yet I cant use any or it
[11:27] <yofel> you could work over ssh if that still works... That's what I do when I run windows on occasion
[11:27] <yofel> but rather take the day off
[11:36]  * yofel just realized something
[11:36] <yofel> @Clifford: if you use Launchpad for testbuilds, please make sure that the used PPA has -proposed enabled
[11:36] <yofel> they don't by default
[11:59] <Mamarok> some packaging issue here i guess: bug 1580604
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <yofel> hey
[12:03] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[12:03] <yofel> Mamarok: guess I'll have to look up what the hell magnatune is, but the last 2 uploads were just mysql patches...
[12:03] <yofel> more debugging required :/
[12:06] <Mamarok> yofel: it's an internet service, they used to fund a dev for years on Amarok :-)
[12:13] <yofel> nice, well, lets see if we can figure something out
[12:16] <yofel> uhm...
[12:16] <yofel> amarok:   [ERROR__] [MySqlStorage] "GREPME MySQLe query failed! (1406) Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 on INSERT INTO magnatune_albums ( name, year, artist_id, album_code, cover_url, description ) VALUES ( 'Handshake Smiles', 2008, 682, 'yoria-handshake', 'http://he3.magnatune.com/music/Arthur%20Yoria/Handshake%20Smiles/cover_200.jpg', 'Arthur Yoria is back with a full-length release, and if you\'re not familiar with\nthis 
[12:16] <yofel> Houston-based power popper, you\'re missing out. His I\'ll Be Here Awake was\none of the top discs of 2003, and last year\'s EP/Single Something Must Be Wrong\nfeatured one of last year\'s top tracks in the title tune. \n<P>\nHandshake Smiles is another winner, although it\'s a bit more stripped down than\nYoria\'s previous releases, which isn\'t unexpected given it was a \"bedroom\nrecording\". The disc opens with \"Should Be\", a pretty (and 
[12:16] <yofel> melancholy) number\nthat recalls Jon Brion, while \"Clean For Free\" follows with an Americana-ish\nsensibility and wouldn\'t have been out of place on the new Wilco disc. The title\ntrack is vintage jangly pop, and \"Love Song In G\" is the classic Yoria power pop\nthat we\'ve come to know from his earlier releases. Other highlights include \"I\nTold You Not to Write Again\" (power pop complete with banjo!), \"Sandy\", and the\nwistful closer \
[12:16] <yofel> "Trash Bag\", which evaluates a long-term relationship with an\nunderstated beauty, both lyrically and melodically. Handshake Smiles is a\ntriumph for Yoria, who\'s managed to avoid repeating himself without sacrificing\nhis tunefulness.\n<BR><B><I>Absolute Powerpop</b></i>' );"
[12:18] <Mamarok> gah, what an idiot to set this in the wrong field ...
[12:18] <yofel> amarok: [ERROR__] [MySqlStorage] "GREPME MySQLe query failed! (1055) Expression #1 of SELECT list is not in GROUP BY clause and contains nonaggregated column 'amarok.magnatune_genre.id' which is not functionally dependent on columns in GROUP BY clause; this is incompatible with sql_mode=only_full_group_by on SELECT DISTINCT magnatune_genre.id, magnatune_genre.name  FROM  magnatune_genre WHERE 1  GROUP BY magnatune_genre.name;" 
[12:18] <yofel> that one sounds like 5.7 being pedantic
[12:18] <Mamarok> you guys should just ship 2.9 beta isntead of 2.8, really, it's so much better
[12:19] <yofel> why is it still beta then...
[12:19] <Mamarok> ah right, MySQL version ...
[12:19] <Mamarok> there is a patch for this, I just don't havr a dev to review it
[12:21] <Mamarok> or mabye related to the 5.7 fix you have? see bug 1571215
[12:22] <yofel> that's for the error recovery, the error message sounds more like a runtime failure
[12:22] <yofel> but 5.7 changed so many things that you have breakage everywhere *-.-
[12:23] <yofel> at least amarok only needed one patch to "run", akonadi needed 3
[12:34] <soee> green :)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> soee:  plasma 5.6.3 didn't work out too well for my system, had to revert...the nvidia driver failed as did nouveau and activities was messed up 
[12:40] <soee> ;o
[12:40] <soee> YY or XX ?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> YY
[12:41] <soee> BluesKaj: well nvidia failed also for clivejo
[12:41] <soee> something with kernel maybe
[12:41] <soee> on XX all works almost fine
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yes it is ,a kernel module problem 
[12:42] <soee> so it is not Plasma fault :)
[12:42] <mamarley> The problem is that GCC on Yakkety defaults to -pie, which isn't supported for kernel compiling.
[12:44]  * yofel wonders why linus and the gcc folks didn't talk that out beforehand. Unless that's something we/debian came up with ourselves?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> hope it's being worked on
[12:45] <yofel> oh, that might've been something debian did, now I remember reading something on debian-devel
[12:48] <acheron88> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2016-May/077177.html
[12:49] <acheron88> so that SRU into xenial which should go forward into yakkety when the kernel team start doing proper build for that
[12:50] <acheron88> and I 'think' the resultant kernel headers will then bypass any need to fix GCC or module code
[12:50] <acheron88> that's how I read it anyway....
[12:53] <yofel> interesting
[12:54] <yofel> wtf, I just had kdeinit5 crash on me with
[12:54] <yofel> [279038.961742] Qt bearer threa[25105]: segfault at 7f4fc7b4a2e9 ip 00007f4fd4ac4ccb sp 00007f4fc55bce50 error 4 in libgcc_s.so.1[7f4fd4ab6000+16000]
[12:54] <yofel> how does that happen
[12:56] <yofel> which reminds me...
[12:57] <yofel> mgraesslin: no, we did not disable drkonqi (at least not intentionally). It *is* catching plasma crashes for me at least, other things like kdeinit not though
[12:57] <mgraesslin> yofel: ok, we had a user yesterday in #plasma telling us that only apport catches crashes
[13:17] <acheron88> clivejo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/12/%23ubuntu-kernel.html
[13:18] <acheron88> from apw "DKMS should start working with the next copy forward kernel from X, as we have fixed it there)"
[13:22] <acheron88> and this looks like the mainline yakkety kernel http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.6-rc7-yakkety/
[13:22] <acheron88> he mentions rebuilding with the "0002-disable-pie-when-gcc-has-it-enabled-by-default.patch"
 It was kernel .22 that brought the problem to light
 When I installed it the nvidia didn't compile and pretended access to plasma
 When I rebooted into .21 it initial worked until I purged and reinstalled the nvidia driver
[16:51] <acheron88> you would have had the version built on the xenial toolchain until you did that. once you did that you lost your working modules
[17:00] <acheron88> just installed yakkety in a VM and added staging frameworks and plasma
[17:01] <acheron88> seems OK so far.....
[17:05] <marco-parillo> acheron88: Could you maximize a window or two and set your panel to auto hide?
[17:09] <acheron88> gimme a sec
[17:10] <acheron88> hmmm.. 
[17:11] <acheron88> panel fails to autohide, and when windows are remaximised the panel covers the bottom of them 
[17:11] <acheron88> that is not good
[17:11] <acheron88> which I presume is why you asked?
[17:13] <acheron88> marco-parillo: is that an upstream plasma bug or specific to those ppa packages?
[17:14] <marco-parillo> I do not know. I think soee said it was known, and to ask me to try to create a new user. I did so, but it still happened.
[17:16] <soee> i had this problem, not sure what it was
[17:16] <soee> it works fine on my current users, but fails on fresh one i think
[17:17] <acheron88> seen in chakra on plasma 5.6.3 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
[17:18] <acheron88> I have a chakra VM. I'll try
[17:21] <marco-parillo> Thank you. It looks as if Darin Miller confirmed for Kubuntu
[17:23] <acheron88> just tried with fresh plasma config in chakra, and yes, same bug is definelty there on plasma 5.6.3
[17:23] <sick_rimmit> o/
[17:24] <marco-parillo> But, strangely enough, not with Manjaro
[17:25] <marco-parillo> Also on 5.6.3
[17:25]  * sick_rimmit Waves at BluesKaj
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Hi BluesKaj
[17:25]  * BluesKaj waves back ay sick_rimmit, hi
[17:26] <BluesKaj> oops need my glasses ...eyes are bad today
[17:27] <BluesKaj> eyesight is, rather
[17:59] <sick_rimmit> WoW!!! That looks promising
 What looks promising?
[18:15] <sgclark> my apps are coming through green.
[18:16] <sgclark> but there are a handful that need kf5 ports. and pim still needs love.
[18:19] <marco-parillo> Thank you for your effort sgclark and for the green results.
[18:20]  * ronnoc echoes the above comment
[18:20] <sgclark> well, that was it for awhile. I am taking the advice to step back.
[18:22] <yofel> *sigh* our nmqt SRU in x-p looks busted. Seems like those aren't just transparent NM symbols after all :(
[18:24] <marco-parillo> sgclark: As much as we all have benefited from the fruits of your labor, it did seem as if you were burning the candle at both ends.
[18:25] <yofel> hm, or the nmqt build actually requires nm "1.2"
[18:29] <sgclark> yeah yofel when I spoke to nm devs at ubucon they were still working on it. doesn't sound like they finished for release
[18:30] <yofel> sgclark: our "problem" I believe is that we have 1.1.93 (aka 1.2 beta-something) in xenial-release, and 1.2.0 in xenial-proposed
[18:30] <yofel> and 1.2 seems to cause different symbol exposure in nmqt
[18:31] <yofel> and I don't have any bandwidth to build a VM today -.-
[18:31] <sgclark> ah
[18:51] <ximion> Riddell: is neon built in Launchpad PPAs?
[18:52] <sgclark> ximion: no it is on kde infra
[18:53] <ximion> sgclark Riddell: I was asking because I just talked with apol that it would make a lot of sense to update the AppStream metadata for Neon too, so it shows up in Discover
[18:53] <ximion> with you controlling the repos, adding the data is easy, actually ^^
[18:56] <sgclark> ximion: ahh you need to talk to Riddell or sitter
[18:57] <sgclark> perhaps in #kde-neon
[18:58] <ximion> sounds like a plan
[18:59] <ximion> hmm, I wonder if integrating downstream warnings into some kind of issue overview page at KDE would make sense
[18:59] <ximion> sgclark: e.g. things lik https://appstream.debian.org/sid/main/issues/kcolorchooser.html which asgen builds for us at Debian
[19:00] <sgclark> ximion: yes that looks nice! Will look into it after my internship
[19:01] <sgclark> ximion: maybe make a phab task for it for me? :)
[19:01] <ximion> jup, sure - Arch is also generating the data
[19:01] <ximion> problem is, this will also catch packaging issues, which are not interesting for KDE upstream
[19:02] <sgclark> well. it might be.
[19:02] <sgclark> there is talk of wanting packaging upstream, we'll see how that all plays out.
[19:03] <sgclark> if they think I will be doing all this packaging they have another thing coming :)
[19:03] <ximion> sgclark: jup - from experience, upstream devs are terrible packagers, because they don't see the big picture that a distribution is
[19:03] <sgclark> yeah
[19:04] <ximion> heh, I should update the asgen live instance...
[19:04] <sgclark> plus muti packaging systems and multi platforms = monster migraine for anyone sane, on alllll those apps...
[19:07] <ximion> sgclark: maintain symbols files.... That's a thing which causes headaches
[19:07] <ximion> and makes one think properly about ABI compatibility too ^^
[19:08] <sgclark> ah yes, that too
[19:08] <sgclark> pim alone would drive a person mad haha
[19:09] <ximion> hmm, afterall, having upstreams do packaging doesn#t sound like a bad idea :D
[19:09] <ximion> when it drives other people mad, it's okay ^^
[19:10] <sgclark> but
[19:10] <sgclark> not when I am upstream!
[19:12] <ximion> :D
[19:12] <ximion> yes ^^
[19:17] <yofel> rejoice, with all the app container projects, upstream will finally get it's chance to publish the software *themselves* if they want to
[19:18] <yofel> hell breaks loose in 3 2 1 ...
[19:19] <sgclark> lol
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: at least you won't get complaints :P
[19:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: I have a hard time feeling happy about that......
[19:22] <ximion> yofel: container solutions suck
[19:22] <ximion> and I develop one of these ^^
[19:22] <yofel> that's what I was thinking ^^
[19:23] <ximion> with the 1m release cadence of Frameworks, maintaining a stable Flatpak (XdgApp) runtime will be hard/impossible for KDE upstream :P
[19:23] <sgclark> seems like more work to keep updated
[19:23] <yofel> well, if nobody ships their software, maybe they'll get a hint :P
[19:30] <ximion> yofel: with Limba, the result would probably suck, but frameworks releases could happen more often
[19:30] <ximion> and then everything would break if the ABI markers are set incorrectly ^^
[19:30] <ximion> so much fun and joy!
 Still no fix for yakkety :(
 @ovidiuflorin did you remove the package from my ppa before you tried to test network-manager
[19:53] <mamarley> clivejo: apw said that the next kernel release would fix the issue.  I don't know when that will be though.
[19:53] <mamarley> clivejo: Or, if you want to, you could install the 4.6.0-rc7 mainline kernel built earlier today.  It already has the fix.
 Cause I messed up the version numbers and the one on my ppa would override the new xenial one on proposed
 Mamarley where would I get that? I added the kernel ppa to my system but not had a kernel update yet
[19:54] <mamarley> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
 *clivejo realizes how much he relies on kdeconnect and his desktop*
[19:56] <acheron88> I tried building the 340 module clive seems to have to use for his card in a yakkety VM
 Its building. But won't work :(
[19:57] <acheron88> with those 'fixed' kernels, and that driver just then failed for another reason
 Oh great
[19:58] <mamarley> The compile failed?
 More fun
[19:58] <mamarley> Oh, that's right, 340 needs a patch to work with 4.6.  ppa:mamarley/staging
 Clivejo yes, I did
 Check latest comments
[19:59] <acheron88> mamarley: forgot you had that ppa
 I think best plan is to go to civilization and get xenial burned to DVD
 Clivejo please get a Telegram username
 Someone has mine :(
 Get a different one
 I don't want a different one
 I want mine!
 *stomps feet*
 send a message to the current user and make a deal
[20:06] <acheron88> mamarley: confirmed. that patched 340 driver builds and installs the module on the fixed 4.6 mainline kernel
 the package is proposed is broken
 badly
 for the networkmanager
 Does my patch still work?
 As in the one in my ppa
 which ppa?
 I saw something about you moving it to it's own ppa
 Clivejo xenial
 have you changed anything?
 do I have to try it again?
 No. But its compiled on the old network manager and should still work
 your first package worked
 what's in proposed doesn't
 proposed breaks it more
 that's what I know
[20:18] <yofel> proposed also has nm 1.2, which is what I assume breaks it
[20:19] <yofel> lp 1576726
 How do I add the kernel ppa?
 wait
 <mamarley> The compile failed?
 I upgraded just the package
 not it's dependecies
 let me look
 yeah.. I guess I should also upgrade network manager, right?
[20:24] <yofel> 1.1 FTBFS with symbol issues, as we assumed in yakkety that those are "OK", I just updated the symbols. But they actually cause real breakage in plasma-nm
 clive please update the dependecy version of network-manager in libkf5networkmanagerqt6
[20:25] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: yes, please try to update nm, and see if that works
 when installing libkf5networkmanagerqt6 5.18.0-0ubuntu1.2 it doesn't also bring in the latest network-manager
 or yofel
 @ovidiuflorin sorry I'm on sabbatical indefinitely
 installing network-manager  0ubuntu0.16.04.2_amd64
 rebooting
[20:28] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: yes, we use none of the new lib symbols, so there is no reason why the dep would get updated
 upgrading network-manager does not fix the missing QML error
 I still have the following packages from proposed:
 appstream apt apt-transport-https apt-utils command-not-found command-not-found-data dpkg dpkg-dev fonts-noto-cjk grep
   gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-faad gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-videoparsers
   gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
   gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio gstreamer1.0-x init init-system-helpers initscripts kamera
   kde-l10n-engb kde-l10n-ro klibc-utils language-selector-common libappstream3 libappstreamqt1 libapt-inst2.0 libapt-pkg5.0
   libdpkg-perl libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386
   libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0
   libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-good1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0:i386 libklibc
   libldap-2.4-2 libldap-2.4-2:i386 libnm-glib4 libnm-util2 libnm0 libpam-systemd libplymouth4 libsystemd0 libsystemd0:i386
   libudev1 libudev1:i386 plymouth plymouth-label plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text python3-commandnotfound python3-urllib3 snapd
   systemd systemd-sysv sysv-rc sysvinit-utils udev xserver-common xserver-xorg-core
 nt installed
[20:34] <yofel> I'm just building again and will try to downgrade nm and see if that's really the issue
[20:42] <yofel> hm, now I have a state that fails to build with missing link references to wimax functions
[20:55] <ahoneybun> soee https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/i-have-finally-found-a-way-to-sort-out-screen-tearing-on-nvidia-with-linux.7213
[20:58] <soee> ahoneybun: did you tested it ?
[20:58] <ahoneybun> no as I don't really had it bad
[20:58] <ahoneybun> *have it bad
[20:59] <ahoneybun> only see it when I get back from suspand in sddm
[21:01] <ahoneybun> my main issues is text missing in sddm and the panel 
[21:01] <ahoneybun> and all those mismatch keys
[21:01] <ahoneybun> the second one is google's fault
[21:04] <soee> ahoneybun: will test it on Wastelnd 2: Directors Cut
[21:05] <soee> downloading now
[21:05] <ahoneybun> I think my issue is that Feral ported it to work on older hardware or something
[21:05] <ahoneybun> and they did not optimaze it for better hardware
[21:06] <ahoneybun> my laptop has a much better GPU then my desktop and should run it at 70FPS compared to my desktop
[21:45]  * clivejo kisses mamarley
[21:45] <clivejo> thank you so much!!
[21:45] <soee> looks whos back :D
[21:45] <clivejo> downloaded the 4.6rc7 kernel
[21:46] <clivejo> installed your patched nvidia package
[21:46] <clivejo> and bingo, Im back!!!
[21:46] <soee> wheee :)
[21:46] <soee> router works ?
[21:47] <clivejo> I managed to use an old Netgear router
[21:48] <clivejo> disabled the DCHP server and allowed the main router to assign IP's
[21:48] <clivejo> I have wireless bridges to jump the internet from house to house
[21:49] <clivejo> and trying to log in and config them on a phone is painful
[21:50] <soee> -.-
[21:51] <clivejo> I feel like Ive been offline for months!
[21:51] <soee> ;D
[21:51] <soee> and we missed you to :)
[21:51] <clivejo> yeah right!
[21:52] <soee> yeah!
[21:53] <acheron88> great clivejo
[21:53] <clivejo> I love LastPass and my plasma desktop!
[21:53] <clivejo> now thats spooky
[21:54] <clivejo> I bought new front tyres for my car yesterday and I have a google advert for tyres :/
[22:09] <mamarley> clivejo: Yay!
[22:10] <clivejo> what patch is applied to this nvidia module?
[22:10] <clivejo> the no-pie no-stack-protector?
[22:11] <mamarley> clivejo: Nope, just a patch to resolve a few API incompatibilities with 4.6.
[22:11] <mamarley> The kernel change is what fixed the compilation.
[22:11] <clivejo> well seems to work great!
[22:11] <mamarley> :)
[22:12] <clivejo> just took ages to download the kernel
[22:12] <mamarley> Sorry :(
[22:12] <clivejo> not your fault!
[22:13] <clivejo> Im never buying NVidia again
[22:13] <clivejo> nothing but problems with them
[22:14] <mamarley> Not NVIDIA's fault.
[22:14] <clivejo> well they dont make it easy for Linux folk
[22:15] <mamarley> That's my job!
[22:16] <clivejo> ooo Philw's been excommunicated 
[22:16] <mamarley> Huh?
[22:16]  * clivejo wonders what he did
[22:17] <clivejo> http://ubuntu-news.org/2016/05/11/pausing-philws-involvement-in-ubuntu/
[22:20] <mamarley> clivejo: My Yakkety VM with FW5.22 has continued to work well. :)
[22:20] <clivejo> any issues at all?
[22:20] <mamarley> None as far as I can tell.
[22:21] <clivejo> did kwallet build?
[22:21] <genii> mamarley: Managed to get Quassel running properly on it yet?
[22:21] <clivejo> I uploaded that respun tarball
[22:21] <clivejo> Im using quassel from your PPA
[22:22] <mamarley> genii: Was it ever not working?
[22:22] <clivejo> grrr
[22:22] <clivejo> plasma-frameworks needs respun too
[22:23] <clivejo> plasma-framework v5.22.0-rc2
[22:23] <clivejo> Ill put that on to-do list for tomorrow
[22:24]  * clivejo is still trying to catch up on emails
[22:24] <clivejo> mamarley: do you code quassel?
[22:25] <mamarley> clivejo: I have made a few contributions.
[22:25] <clivejo> any way to integrate it with kontact?
[22:25] <mamarley> Nope, sorry.
[22:26]  * ahoneybun likes Konversation 
[22:26] <clivejo> ie click on a message and have it automatically add something as a Task, To-do etc
[22:26]  * mamarley hopes that Plasma 5.6.4 is also on clivejo’s todo list. :)
[22:27] <clivejo> LOL I was waiting for soee to mention that!
[22:27]  * mamarley pretends to be soee sometimes. ;)
[22:28] <clivejo> this network manager issue is annoying me
[22:28] <clivejo> symbols dont just go missing for no reason
[22:29] <mamarley> Isn't it because of the version difference of NM between main and proposed?
[22:30] <clivejo> not sure
[22:30] <clivejo> need to talk to yofel about it
[22:31] <yofel> I'm clueless so far
[22:31] <clivejo> Id like to try a no change rebuild of networkmanager-qt 5.22 just to see :/
[22:32] <yofel> yes, those are NM symbols, but downgrading just NM made the package fail to link instead of exposing wrong symbols...
[22:32] <yofel> clivejo: our yakkety package has the same symbol changes
[22:32] <yofel> so that's probably broken as well
[22:32] <yofel> you just don't notice it because plasma-nm also got rebuilt
[22:32] <clivejo> is networkmanager-qt just a wrapper exposing nm symbols?
[22:33] <yofel> AFAIK, yes, to some extent. But it does have it's own code
[22:33] <clivejo> adds extra QT functions on top of
[22:33] <yofel> will look at it more tomorrow
[22:34] <clivejo> yofel: do you have any objection to staging plasma 5.6.4?
[22:34] <yofel> no
[22:35] <clivejo> I need to properly configure this Netgear wireless router, but hopefully Ill get things back up and running
[22:36] <clivejo> get my VOIP gateway and Pi's talking again!
[22:37] <clivejo> so is that updated NM being backported in xenial?
[22:38] <yofel> it's in -proposed
[22:38] <yofel> that's why you didn't see that in your ppa as that doesn't use -proposed
[22:39] <clivejo> so my PPA ignored it
[22:39] <clivejo> ah I see
[22:58] <soee> hah rofl ... dpkg: error processing package redis-server (--configure): package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting configuration
[23:34] <soee> mamarley: do you have any desktop effects issues on 5.6.3 ?
[23:38] <mamarley> soee: Sometime the panel flickers transparent.
[23:39] <soee> my windows loose shadows - have some strange background instead and when i tried to play video desktop wnet black and if i moved the player window around, it was redrawn to normal desktop
[23:41] <soee> offtopic, how do you guys organize terminal/yakuake tabs when you have to work on 6-8 tabs :D
[23:41] <soee> to not get confused and do something in wrong tab