[02:51] <adymitruk> hi
[03:22] <adymitruk> hi
[04:51] <adymitruk> anyone here?
[04:52] <adymitruk> getting a white text on white background on a fresh kubuntu install
[05:05] <goddard> how can i disable the not so helpful hint that tells me I can "enhance" firefox by installing Flash?
[05:51] <adymitruk> anyone here see the white on white background in kmail??
[06:08] <user|66504> hi]
[06:09] <user|66504> how create folder on desktop link ubuntu in kubuntu?
[06:09] <user|66504> like*
[06:09] <user|66504> can anyone help me?
[06:10] <hateball> user|66504: Rightclick the desktop area and add widget
[06:10] <hateball> Unlock widgets first, if they are not
[06:10] <hateball> user|66504: What sort of link do you want to add? A shortcut to a program?
[06:11] <adymitruk> anyone get a white on white message list in kmail??
[06:11] <user|66504> not link I wanted to say like
[06:12] <user|66504> mean creating folder on desktop
[06:12] <hateball> user|66504: Then you add a widget/plasmoid that is Folder view
[06:12] <hateball> By default it will show your ~/Desktop folder, but you can change to anything else
[06:13] <hateball> adymitruk: Sorry, I do not use Kmail but have you tried changing theme?
[06:14] <hateball> See if it's something bugged there
[06:14] <adymitruk> it's very weird because even changing the settings to manually control colours doesn't do anything, hateball
[06:14] <adymitruk> going to try changing themes, then try to install a different version
[06:27] <adymitruk> ok.. so for some reason, kmail defaults to only one field in the message columns in the message list
[06:27] <adymitruk> something is weird
[06:27] <adymitruk> was so surprised that out of the box it was so broken
[06:27] <adymitruk> still fixing it :/
[06:35] <adymitruk> hmm. still can't get more than just the status column to show in the message list in kmail
[06:37] <adymitruk> testing
[07:47] <apparle> how should I update from 15.10 to 16.04 ?
[07:48] <apparle> is there a command line way to do this ? I had removed Muon due to some bug
[07:53] <_ebola_> i think automatic upgrade will be available in the summer
[07:55] <_ebola_> apparle: or try this "sudo update-manager -d"
[07:57] <hateball> _ebola_: there's no need for -d when going from 15.10
[07:57] <hateball> !ltsupgrade
[07:57] <hateball> apparle: just sudo do-release-upgrade will do
[07:57] <hateball> no point risking ending up at 16.10 :)
[07:58] <hateball> if you want to go from 14.04 to 16.04 before july 21st, you do however need the -d switch
[08:00] <yossarianuk> wouldn't the -d switch now upgrade to 16.10 ?
[08:00] <hateball> it shouldnt from 14.04... but I am not 100%
[08:04] <ussher_> yossarianuk:  yeah the -d does make the upgrade work, but it breaks mysql http://askubuntu.com/questions/766917/14-04-to-16-04-killed-mysql
[08:11] <jubo2> dohh
[08:11] <jubo2> what's the package name of the screengrab program
[08:12] <hateball> jubo2: in 16.04? Spectacle
[08:25] <yossarianuk> ussher_: did you run mysql_upgrade ?
 !info kde-spectacle
[08:35] <yossarianuk> wow - didn't realise that ksnapshot had changed its name
[08:36] <jubo2> yossarianuk: yep
[08:37] <jubo2> rebootzeit
[08:37] <jubo2> 8GB RAM and for some reason 400MB SWAP in use
[08:38] <jubo2> The SysMon in the panel reports 6GB RAM used
 spectacle is a re-write of most of ksnapshot to bring it into wayland-land
[08:38] <jubo2> weird
 there is a fix for that mysql problem though
 I think updates....
[08:44] <hateball> jubo2: if you're seeing heavy ram usage after upgrade you can issue "akonadictl stop". if something needs it, it'll restart
[08:44] <hateball> otherwise it'll just sit there and leak
[08:45] <jubo2> no upgrade. clean install
[08:45] <jubo2> and going to reinstall clean and this time get it more right
[08:45] <hateball> suppose it may be behaving ill even on clean install
[08:46] <jubo2> ok dänks
[08:46] <jubo2> it ain't a problem
[08:47] <jubo2> or not a big problem
[08:47] <jubo2> Takes couple of days for the RAM to get all used up
[09:12] <yofel> jubo2: bug 1576930
[09:14] <jubo2> mysqld isn't doing anything of interest on this machine
[09:17] <yofel> jubo2: ah, I read RAM and akonadi, and in 16.04 that's in most cases mysqld's fault
[10:29] <plasma_5_6> Hello - do we know when the plasma 5.6 will be available in the KUBUNTU backports?
[10:34] <plasma_5_6> Hello - do we know when the plasma 5.6 will be available in the KUBUNTU backports?
[10:37] <hateball> plasma_5_6: "when it's ready"
[10:37] <hateball> plasma_5_6: I recall someone in here saying it wasnt that far off tho, yesterday
[10:40] <plasma_5_6> plasma_5_6 will permit to arrange in the task bar the order of the minimized items? as windooze 7 it allows?
[10:42] <hateball> uh... you can already do that
[10:42] <hateball> since forever
[10:42] <acheron88> there are some staging builds of 5.6.3 done for xenial. but packaging team are short handed, so how long before they are seen as OK to put into backports is anyones's guess
[10:42] <hateball> plasma_5_6: change the settings of the taskbar, set sorting to manual
[10:44] <plasma_5_6> ahh thanks i didnd get that
[11:12] <apparle> !upgrade
[11:14] <apparle> someone please fix that link, it is broken.
[11:50] <user|99159> SO MANY BUGS
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <yossarianuk> user|99159: try being more specific - I've been running 16.04 for last few weeks (since it was out) at work with no major issues - apart from network manager
[13:08] <WarriorPoet> Salutations!
[13:08] <WarriorPoet> can anyone help me perhaps?
[13:09] <hateball> !help| WarriorPoet
[13:09] <WarriorPoet> I apologize.
[13:13] <WarriorPoet> i want to switch from using windows, i have concerns about using Linux without in depth computer knowledge ( i can find my way around pc's and all but Linux is an exotic bird for me ) and my main concern is gaming compatibility and also privacy, i do not require or attached to any special kind of programs on windows or anything but i have several g
[13:13] <WarriorPoet> ames that really really like to be able to play on Linux so i was wondering if there is something in Linux like parallel in apple os
[13:14] <WarriorPoet> !patience
[13:18] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  a lot of steam games are ported to linux, you can check that out .
[13:18] <BluesKaj> !steam
[13:19] <WarriorPoet> and what about privacy ?
[13:20] <WarriorPoet> i mean i want to switch to Linux just because they don't allow me to delete stuff and i don't have control over my own pc
[13:20] <WarriorPoet> i mean i hate windows defender
[13:21] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  who's "they" ?
[13:21] <WarriorPoet> microsoft
[13:21] <BluesKaj> are you a home user or is this a work pc?
[13:23] <WarriorPoet> home user
[13:24] <BluesKaj> you have some choices, you can still run windows for games not playable on linux by dual booting windows and linux on separate partitions  or using a VM
[13:25] <hateball> WarriorPoet: There's no "phoning home" etc under Linux/*ubuntu
[13:25] <WarriorPoet> by VN you mean virtual machine?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:26] <WarriorPoet> i would prefer that actually.
[13:26] <hateball> WarriorPoet: As for games, I have ~200 on steam. Or you can try Wine/Playonlinux for those games not native to Linux
[13:26] <hateball> Gaming in a VM is... bad. Unless you have the hardware to do GPU passthrough
[13:26] <WarriorPoet> i see
[13:26] <hateball> I think it's ~2000 native games on steam now
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> hateball what do you mean by there is not phoning home ?
[13:27] <hateball> WarriorPoet: Well, with regards to the privacy
[13:27] <BluesKaj> spyware
[13:27] <user|67161> he
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> i don't follow
[13:27] <hateball> Your OS wont tell some corporation what you have installed or what you're doing
[13:27] <WarriorPoet> ok
[13:28] <WarriorPoet> so that's a good thing
[13:28] <WarriorPoet> i was this idea in my head not sure how much it is viable
[13:29] <hateball> WarriorPoet: Oh, and if you are going to be gaming a lot I hope you have nvidia hardware. AMD support is... not great, yet
[13:29] <WarriorPoet> i am using a laptop
[13:29] <WarriorPoet> with gtx dedicated card
[13:29] <hateball> Hybrid graphics? That can be a pain in itself
[13:30] <WarriorPoet> will that pose a problem ?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> optimus in other words
[13:30] <WarriorPoet> what is optimus
[13:31] <hateball> If you have a machine that switches between intel and nvidia
[13:31] <BluesKaj> dual gpus , intel and nvidia
[13:31] <WarriorPoet> ya
[13:31] <hateball> If you have a muxless laptop, that's no problem
[13:31] <hateball> ie you only use one card at a time, regulated in bios
[13:31] <hateball> newer nvidia drivers handle optimus also, it's just... more pain
[13:32] <WarriorPoet> i have asus n552vx
[13:32] <WarriorPoet> if it helps
[13:33] <WarriorPoet> and also by gaming i mean usually Eve online and things like smite or dota and most of the total war games
[13:33] <WarriorPoet> not like heavy graphic demanding games
[13:33] <yossarianuk> since 16.04 hybrid graphics works well
[13:34] <yossarianuk> my work lappy has a 960M/Intel GPU - just install the 364 drivers from the PPA
[13:34] <hateball> WarriorPoet: well, you should research what games are native or at least run decent with WINE before switching
[13:34] <hateball> WarriorPoet: dota and some TW games are native, I dont think eve and smite are
[13:35] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  no hybrid graphics on your laptop
[13:35] <WarriorPoet> so that's a good thing blue?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yes for gpu drivers
[13:36] <WarriorPoet> also what about drivers and such ?
[13:36] <WarriorPoet> are manufacturers like asus provide drivers for Linux based systems?
[13:37] <hateball> WarriorPoet: the only drivers you need are for nvidia GPU, the rest is builtin
[13:37] <WarriorPoet> :o
[13:37] <hateball> WarriorPoet: and the drivers are installed with one click once installed
[13:37] <hateball> once os is installed*
[13:37] <WarriorPoet> i see
[13:41] <WarriorPoet> so for a to do list, research if games i want have native support, or have good wine support ( which i assume is some kind of emulator ? ) do i want to know anything else before switching?
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> are there like fundamental changes when it comes to switching from windows to Linux?
[13:42] <hateball> WarriorPoet: well, you can always liveboot the machine and make sure your hardware works as expected
[13:42] <hateball> audio etc
[13:42] <hateball> You run the install media in live mode
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> from a cd
[13:42] <WarriorPoet> i have read about it
[13:43] <WarriorPoet> is it viable option?
[13:43] <WarriorPoet> but i do not want any trace of windows in my pc
[13:43] <hateball> CD's are too small, DVD or USB fits the install
[13:43] <BluesKaj> just for testing your hardware
[13:43] <hateball> WarriorPoet: You will be given the option to use the entire drive when you decide to install
[13:44] <hateball> WarriorPoet: That will wipe anything else off of it. So backup documents and such
[13:44] <WarriorPoet> i would assume so. but my concern is that Microsoft has some hidden partitions ?
[13:44] <WarriorPoet> or whatever?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> brings the questio about uefi/bios setup
[13:44] <BluesKaj> question even
[13:45] <WarriorPoet> yes will changing OS will somehow impact the uefi/bios
[13:45] <BluesKaj> depends what you wnat top do with your windows installation
[13:46] <BluesKaj> want to do
[13:46] <WarriorPoet> i want to erease microsoft's grip from my pc
[13:47] <WarriorPoet> call me tinfoil hat crazy person but i just don't like win10
[13:47] <BluesKaj> then use the whole drive for kubuntu in the installer partitoner phase
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> ok
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> much obliged for the info and the advices gentlemen! have a good day! i will conduct my research now! many thanks!
[13:48] <WarriorPoet> peace to you! farewell.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> WarriorPoet:  enjoy
[15:03] <ArrP> My system settings applet has vanished. I was wondering what package I should install to restore my control panel
[15:05] <ArrP> Not much activity here or is it me?
[15:07] <ArrP> Hello? anyone here?
[15:13] <acheron88> vanished in what sense?
[15:14] <acheron88> type systemsettings in kicker/krunner or command line
[15:14] <acheron88> should find it
[15:18] <rattking> yeah its the systemsettings package, but ArrP is long gone
[15:20] <acheron88> so they are....
[16:56] <ronnoc> wow according to Ubuntu, the quality of each release seems to be getting worse since 15.04 https://errors.ubuntu.com/?login-failed=true
[16:57] <ronnoc> With apturl clearly leading the way, for whatever reason
[16:59] <goddard> ronnoc: what is the isse?
[17:00] <ronnoc> isse?
[17:07] <Lines> Hey so quick question, im I missing something on the new kubuntu install or did I put the iso on the usb wrong. It just has me booted to a desktop and it didnt give me any menu like normally on a install.
[17:09] <soee> yes this is known bug in ubiquity
[17:09] <marco-parillo> Lines: Yes, that commonly occurs.
[17:09] <Lines> Ahh alright, any workaround yet or should I just reinstall the iso?
[17:09] <marco-parillo> It seems to be I only get the try / install option on my old, slow netbook.
[17:09] <marco-parillo> You should see a small folderview widget
[17:09] <marco-parillo> In it, should be the installer.
[17:09] <Lines> AHHHH
[17:10] <Lines> found it, appricate the help
[17:10] <marco-parillo> P.S. I prefer that behavior, as I use my USB for home banking.
[17:10] <Lines> Yeah I was thinking of using it for work, but I dont think they would like that very much haha.
[17:25] <sick_rimmit> Hello folks o/
[17:26] <goddard> ronnoc: issue*
[17:27] <goddard> sick_rimmit: what up
[17:27] <EvilRoey> hi
[17:28] <EvilRoey> hey guys where can I download the USB stick image for Kubuntu 16.04?
[17:28] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: ^
[17:28] <goddard> kubuntu.org
[17:28] <goddard> get the torrent
[17:28] <goddard> its faster
[17:29] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[17:33] <EvilRoey> hi BluesKaj
[17:33] <EvilRoey> goddard: the torrent of what, the DVD .iso?
[17:33] <goddard> yeah
[17:33] <EvilRoey> goddard: I want to install Kubuntu off of a USB drive
[17:33] <EvilRoey> how do I do that?
[17:33] <EvilRoey> like, how do I put the .iso on to the usb drive
[17:33] <EvilRoey> if that is possible
[17:33] <EvilRoey> I want to boot off of it
[17:34] <goddard> oh you need to write the image to your USB stick
[17:34] <EvilRoey> yeah, howwo?
[17:34] <goddard> EvilRoey: lots of people use https://unetbootin.github.io/
[17:34] <EvilRoey> with .iso fo DVDs it'
[17:34] <EvilRoey> oh so now netboot instead of usb stick?
[17:34] <goddard> no it uses a usb stick
[17:34] <EvilRoey> ok
[17:34] <EvilRoey> thanks
[17:34] <goddard> its just the name
[17:35] <BluesKaj> disk creator works ok and dd as well
[17:35] <BluesKaj> unetbootin works only half the time IME
[17:35] <sick_rimmit> EvilRoey: you running Windows or some flavour of Linux ?
[17:36] <sick_rimmit> EvilRoey: If linux then this will work for you
[17:37] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: linux
[17:37] <EvilRoey> kubuntu 15.10 -> 16.04 fucks up on me
[17:38] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: it chokes when it tries to upgrade systemd to 225
[17:38] <EvilRoey> from 219
[17:38] <sick_rimmit> Download ISO via Torrent - Open Terminal - fdisk -l - Check list - Insert USB Stick - fdisk -l - See new device in list, like /dev/sdc - now cd to directory where you downloaded iso - dd if=<name of iso-file> of=/dev/sdc bs=64K
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Roey, you know better ...language!
[17:38] <EvilRoey> :) fine fine
[17:38] <BluesKaj> it's nopt
[17:38] <EvilRoey> Kubuntu drops pretty flowers (of errors) at my feet
[17:39] <EvilRoey> when I try to upgrade it
[17:39] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: oh I didn't know it doesn't need anything special, thanks
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> Ah well then perhaps some apt magic is required
[17:39] <EvilRoey> I've been wrestling this alligator for a week now
[17:39] <EvilRoey> let's see
[17:39] <EvilRoey> I'm trying to find the specific error
[17:39] <EvilRoey> one sec
[17:39] <sick_rimmit> You might need sudo prior to the dd command
[17:40] <EvilRoey> the laptop is at home
[17:40] <EvilRoey> sick_rimmit: yeah I'm sure of it
[17:40] <sick_rimmit> I get you a link which will help with apt foo
[17:40] <EvilRoey> ah
[17:40] <sick_rimmit> one minute
[17:41] <EvilRoey> I get this error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/631362/error-getting-authority-error-initializing-authority-could-not-connect-no-suc
[17:41] <EvilRoey> it tries to upgrade systemd
[17:41] <EvilRoey> and then I get three of this error
[17:41] <EvilRoey> No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 2)
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> hmm let me try the bo
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> !apt-get
[17:41] <EvilRoey> aye
[17:41] <sick_rimmit> Ah yes there it is
[17:41] <EvilRoey> so for now I'm on the command line
[17:42] <EvilRoey> didn't even bother to start X
[17:42] <EvilRoey> using apt-get -f install, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get update and other commands
[17:42] <sick_rimmit> You may need to do a --fix-missing, then perhaps a purge, then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:42] <EvilRoey> okk
[17:42] <EvilRoey> what'sthe use case for using --fix-missing
[17:42] <EvilRoey> specifically?
[17:42] <EvilRoey> as I have never had occasion to use it
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> Sorts out stuff that got busted in previous calls
[17:43] <EvilRoey> ahh ok
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> or missing packages
[17:43] <EvilRoey> apt-get dist-ugprade --fix-missing, right?
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> invoke thus
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> apt-get update
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> apt-get install --fix-missing
[17:43] <sick_rimmit> no package specifed, so your telling it to fix what ever is broke
[17:44] <EvilRoey> ok
[17:44] <EvilRoey> I am always amazed at how Ubuntu (I won't be blaming KDE here) manages to mess up its own upgrade
[17:44] <EvilRoey> it's always painful for me.
[17:44] <EvilRoey> I end up reinstalling
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> Funny, it's the opposite for me, I 've never had it blow up
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> Even when I upgrade to Plasma 5 Tech Preview
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> dunno why
[17:47] <sick_rimmit> but I am not complaining
[18:18] <ronnoc> goddard: the issue is, as the link clearly states in the graph, that there are noticeable more application crashes post 15.04. It's kind of shocking, really. https://errors.ubuntu.com/?login-failed=true
[18:30] <krytarik> ronnoc: If you look closely, you'll notice that it doesn't cover the full life span of 15.04 though.
[19:01] <fmeerkoetter> i am running a 14.04. i've installed llvm/clang from llvm.org using their packet repo. this worked fine. i now have clang-3.8. the problem is that basically everything in these packages has the -3.8 postfix
[19:01] <fmeerkoetter> this makes CMAKE for example unhappy
[19:02] <fmeerkoetter> is there a way to tell kubuntu that i want to have that -3.8 as default
[19:02] <fmeerkoetter> so clang-3.8 becomes clang?
[19:03] <goddard> ronnoc: one thing I think you have to remember is that LTS releases are the recommended place to start as a new user
[19:03] <goddard> ronnoc: also from LTS to LTS the most stable version are the first point release
[19:03] <goddard> so if you are coming from 14.04 to 16.04 you shouldn't of upgraded yet
[19:04] <goddard> ronnoc: also im not sure what issues you are having exactly. I am running Kubuntu 16.04 and haven't experienced any issues
[19:04] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: look into update-alternatives
[19:05] <ronnoc> sure I get all that goddard and krytarik. my comment was more a 10k-foot view of the graph and my 1st impression. Nothing more. Taken that way, the trend in the number of crashes has definitely trended 'up'.  One could also argue that the number of crashes mens more users as in a bigger user-base.
[19:05] <ronnoc> I merely bring it up for as an observation as I hadn't seen that graph before :)
[19:05] <goddard> ronnoc: that graph doesn't display 14.04 it displays 14.04.3 and up
[19:06] <goddard> that is 3 point releases after 14.04
[19:06] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: i fiddled around with it
[19:06] <fmeerkoetter> but didn't grok it
[19:07] <fmeerkoetter> update-alternatives --list clang
[19:07] <fmeerkoetter> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for clang
[19:08] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: i dont have clang installed so cant test but that is what i always use
[19:10] <goddard> http://stackoverflow.com/a/12843988/1325621
[19:10] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: ^
[19:11] <goddard> update-alternatives --config c++
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: There is only one alternative in link group c++ (providing /usr/bin/c++): /usr/bin/g++
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> still i have
[19:15] <fmeerkoetter> /usr/bin/clang++-3.8
[19:16] <fmeerkoetter> it does not seem to be recognized as an alternative
[19:17] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: i believe you can add a binary path and name
[19:17] <goddard> man update-alternatives
[19:18] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: might want to get some more opinions on how to do that
[19:18] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: ive never added one before as the things i update are always present
[19:18] <goddard> but i think --install would work
[19:19] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: yeah. i guess i have to look around. its not only that one binary. there is a whole suite of binaries with that postfix (30~)
[19:19] <fmeerkoetter> i don't want to add alternatives by hand for all of them...
[19:19] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: this is from the repos?
[19:19] <goddard> apt
[19:19] <goddard> or a ppa or something?
[19:20] <fmeerkoetter> http://llvm.org/apt/
[19:20] <fmeerkoetter> 14.04 packages
[19:23] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: hmmm this has me curious, but maybe the package manager would control updating those settings. I could be wrong though.
[19:24] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: may be. the thing is i am missing the right keyword to google-search
[19:24] <fmeerkoetter> :-)
[19:25] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: you might not want to do this, but it appears 16.04 has 3.8
[19:25] <fmeerkoetter> goddard: no go. its my work machine...
[19:26] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: figured as much
[19:29] <goddard> fmeerkoetter: here is a more ubuntu specific iteration of the last link i sent http://askubuntu.com/a/700362/37577
[19:43] <Smurphy> So - I will install 16.04 on my old mac mini 2,1 - the b*tch that has a 64bit hardware but a 32bit EFI firmware - breaking havoc all installers :D
[19:43] <Smurphy> Will be an interesting exercise :}
[20:34] <Roey> hi
[20:35] <Roey> goddard:  heya
[20:35] <Roey> anyone here who knows apt-get?
[20:37] <Roey> I tried apt-get install --fix-missing -f,  but I still get this error as the system chokes trying to upgrade systemd from 219 to 225:  ""Error getting authority: Error initializing authority: COuldnot connect: No such file or directory (g-io-error-quark, 1) and then addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a sstem group.  Exiting.
[20:39] <Roey> omfg
[20:39] <Roey> thisis so infuriating
[20:40] <Roey> I tried to put a Kubuntu image on a USB stick and now it tells me "Missing operating system." at boot.
[20:44] <goddard> Roey: yeah it happens
[20:44] <Roey> every. effing. time I upgrade.
[20:44] <Roey> it's always painful and ends up with me reinstalling outright.
[20:45] <Roey> there's always something that breaks.
[20:45] <goddard> Roey: I always back up the entire disk before attempting to upgrade and then just revert if I don't have the time to mess with it
[20:45] <goddard> clonezilla is a pretty fast live distro for that
[20:46] <Roey> ok
[20:46] <goddard> sometimes bugs happen and i just report them and follow up on them
[20:46] <Roey> luckily this is my laptop and not my desktop.
[20:46] <goddard> usually I wait for the first point release to upgrade
[20:46] <Roey> when I upgrade my desktop........
[20:46] <Roey> ugh
[20:46] <goddard> or just install fresh
[20:47] <goddard> one thiing you can do to make it easier to install fresh is make your home directory its own partition
[20:47] <goddard> another useful method
[20:48] <goddard> Roey: i think the hardest thing in Linux is not tweak things to much when you are running low on time
[20:48] <goddard> at least for me
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  I've always done that
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  I worry if I use BTRFS
[20:48] <Roey> for / and /home,
[20:48] <goddard> tweak less and work more is my motto now
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  if I reinstall, will it screw up /home? because BTRFS apparently takes over all of them.
[20:48] <Roey> goddard:  yeah that's what I've done over the years myself.  I used to hand-roll kernels
[20:48] <goddard> unless you are a bug tester or just like reinstalling a lot
[20:49] <Roey> I used to use Debian Sid for the longest time
[20:49] <goddard> Roey: i think BTRFS isn't very good
[20:49] <Roey> heh
[20:49] <Roey> I dunno
[20:49] <goddard> Red Hat just dropped it
[20:49] <Roey> I installed it because I wanted to more smartly back up0
[20:49] <Roey> up
[20:49] <Roey> Red Hat dropped it for RHEL 6
[20:49] <Roey> not for RHEL 7
[20:49] <goddard> and ZFS is coming soon
[20:50] <goddard> with linux you really gotta be slow to adopt things
[20:50] <goddard> in my opinion
[20:50] <goddard> not like basic apps
[20:50] <Roey> let's let ZFS change to GPL first?
[20:50] <Roey> ;:)
[20:51] <goddard> Roey: i prefer GNU GPL of course but I just use ext4 personally and do full disk backups once a week
[20:51] <Roey> righ
[20:51] <Roey> right
[20:51] <Roey> I use dirvish to back up incrementally
[20:51] <Roey> to backup hard drives
[20:51] <Roey> which I rotate
[20:52] <Roey> among different physical locations
[20:52] <goddard> Roey: sounds smart, but it takes so long to get the trickle down from all the little features
[20:52] <Roey> I know...
[20:52] <Roey> that's why I moved from Debian to Kubuntu.
[20:52] <goddard> ahh
[20:53] <Roey> I started out with Red Hat and found it too much of a hassle (this was in the days of pure RPM and no yum)
[20:53] <goddard> Roey: yeah me too
[20:53] <Roey> then Debian comes along with apt-get and frees me from having to download a whole tree of dependent libraries
[20:53] <Roey> just to install a program
[20:53] <goddard> bought the disks at Staples WAAY back in the day
[20:53] <Roey> hehehe
[20:53] <Roey> ya know what
[20:54] <Roey> Mushkin anounced that they're going to release a 4 tb ssd for $500.
[20:54] <goddard> Roey: you tried just plain apt yet?
[20:54] <goddard> that would be awesome
[20:54] <Roey> what do you mean
[20:54] <goddard> apt install kde
[20:54] <goddard> apt search kde
[20:54] <goddard> etc..
[20:55] <goddard> im on 16.04 and just found out about it
[20:55] <goddard> little bit nicer then apt-get / apt-cache
[20:55] <goddard> installed by default
[20:55] <Roey> ah
[20:55] <Roey> ok
[20:55] <Roey> I am reinstallling kubuntu via dvd
[20:55] <Roey> to myh laptop
[20:55] <Roey> hold on
[20:55] <goddard> k
[20:56] <Roey> I'll BBL actually :)
[21:35] <MobileRoey> goddard, hello from hexchat on kubuntu 16.04
[21:42] <MobileRoey> now I'm upgrading my desktop
[21:42] <MobileRoey> with do-dist-upgrade -d.
[21:42] <soee> to Yakkety?
[21:43] <MobileRoey> nono from 15.10 -> 16.04
[21:43] <soee> run without -d
[21:43] <MobileRoey> the laptop I upgraded from 15.10 -> 16.04 by reinstalling, since the upgrade messed up on me.
[21:43] <MobileRoey> why without -d?
[21:43] <MobileRoey> it goes to xenial not yakkity
[21:43] <soee> -d means development version which is Yakkety now
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ok
[21:44] <soee> but well probably not available now as a version
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ruh-roh
[21:44] <MobileRoey> ah
[21:44] <MobileRoey> phew, thanks ;)
[21:46] <jcgs> hi
[21:47] <soee> hiho jcgs
[21:47] <jcgs> I'm having issues playing fullscreen video in firefox. Apparently I have to try disabling hardware acceleration in flash but it's missing from system settings
[21:47] <jcgs> any ideas?
[21:47] <jcgs> hi soee :)
[21:55] <genii> jcgs: Method #1 as suggested here: http://superuser.com/questions/434762/disable-hardware-acceleration-for-flash-player-in-linux
[22:01] <MobileRoey> hello
[22:02] <MobileRoey> how do I treat connect to my phone as storage, in KDE, via Bluetooth?  I've managed to pair the phone and my laptop... but I don't see a file tree anywhere.
[22:04] <soee> MobileRoey: what OS have your phone ?
[22:04] <MobileRoey> android
[22:04] <MobileRoey> soee, android
[22:05] <soee> what version?
[22:05] <MobileRoey> em... one sec
[22:05] <MobileRoey> not the most current version
[22:05] <MobileRoey> because I rooted it
[22:06] <MobileRoey> and verizon refuses to update it
[22:06] <jcgs> genii: I'm trying this
[22:06] <soee> well anyway try kdeconnect
[22:06] <jcgs> genii: those instructions must be old, as the right-click settings menu has gone now which is the whole issue
[22:06] <soee> install it on your Phone and use on dekstop to pair device
[22:07] <soee> than use Dolphin to browe phone
[22:07] <MobileRoey> soee, isthat a program?
[22:07] <genii> jcgs: Hence why I suggested the method described which has nothing to do with the rightclicking.
[22:08] <genii> eg: Method #1   ...create the /etc/adobe/mms.cfg file, put inside of it: EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0
[22:08] <MobileRoey> oh
[22:08] <MobileRoey> soee, ohh ok.
[22:10] <jcgs> genii: I've done that, it may have disabled hardware acceleration but i have no way of checking. however, it hasn't meant I can play firefox videos in full screen :(
[22:10] <MobileRoey> soee, downloading and installing it now.
[22:11] <MobileRoey> soee, ok now what?
[22:11] <MobileRoey> I don't see any devices to connect to
[22:11] <MobileRoey> (from the kdeconnect program on my phone)
[22:11] <genii> jcgs: It won't take effect until a logout-login cycle
[22:11] <MobileRoey> soee, and I'm already paired with the laptop
[22:12] <jcgs> genii: what? I have to close down all of X and everything?
[22:13] <jcgs> genii: ugh :( I guess I can only try it... what happend to the graphical settings that's supposed to ship with flash? what's ubuntu done with them?
[22:13] <genii> jcgs: Yes, otherwise all the previous settings are still cached
[22:13] <jcgs> back in a sec :)
[22:22] <soee> MobileRoey: do you have Wifi enabled ?
[22:22] <jcgs> genii: same as before :( video playback not working
[22:23] <MobileRoey> er
[22:23] <MobileRoey> soee, one sec
[22:26] <genii> jcgs: If you put in the URL bar:  about:plugins      ...what does it say for the Shockwave Flash section of the plugins?
[22:26] <MobileRoey> soee, ok, I enabled wifi on my laptop
[22:27] <jcgs> genii: Version: 11.2.202.616
[22:27] <jcgs> genii: it's new, I think the older one worked better
[22:28] <genii> jcgs: Do you also have the package called: kubuntu-restricted-extras  installed?
[22:28] <jcgs> genii: yes
[22:29] <jcgs> genii: I have updates pending, let me see if there is anything interesting in there
[22:29] <MobileRoey> back
[22:34] <jcgs> genii: there is a new flash actually, let's see if that helps
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, sorry for that
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, back
[22:34] <MobileRoey> soee, so anyway I have all devices on wifi now
[22:36] <MobileRoey> soee, I still don't see any available devices in the KDE Connect app on the phone
[22:38] <MobileRoey> soee, hey!!!!I got it working!!
[22:44] <MobileRoey> soee, oh this remote control thing is so cool
[22:45] <soee> :)
[22:49] <jcgs> genii: I don't think it's any better after updating flash but thanks for your help anyway
[22:49] <jcgs> genii: bed time for me now
[22:50] <MobileRoey> soee :)
[22:51] <MobileRoey> is there a way to limit file-sharing between the phone and laptop so that the laptop can manage the phone's files but not vice versa?
[22:51] <MobileRoey> also, I <3 kde
[22:52] <MobileRoey> <3 <3 <3
[22:53] <soee> not sure
[22:53] <MobileRoey> ok
[22:53] <soee> i think you cant browse PC files from phone
[22:54] <MobileRoey> oh ok good
[22:54] <MobileRoey> I tried that remote-control and got concerned, that's all
[22:55] <soee> it allows to move cursor
[22:55] <MobileRoey> oh ok
[22:55] <MobileRoey> it doesn't show the contents of the screen on the phone, good
[22:57] <MobileRoey> bbiab
[22:57] <MobileRoey> soee, thank you *so* much
[23:02] <MobileRoey> soee, now, trying to connect it so that I can browse the phone's files through the wired desktop
[23:02] <MobileRoey> soee, I don't see it in the paired devices list
[23:02] <MobileRoey> on the phone
[23:03] <soee> you sure? Ifyou pen menu
[23:03] <soee> you done have it above "Pair new devie" ?
[23:03] <MobileRoey> what do yo mean
[23:04] <MobileRoey> what steps should I take on the desktop?
[23:04] <MobileRoey> soee, I tried to connect to the phone but it says failed to connect
[23:04] <soee> connect where/how ?
[23:06] <MobileRoey> KDE control module
[23:06] <MobileRoey> for bluetooth
[23:06] <MobileRoey> it finds the phone but when I do connect, it fails to do so
[23:07] <MobileRoey> oh btw
[23:07] <MobileRoey> soee, have to run will be back in about two hours..
[23:07] <MobileRoey> ciao and thanks so much
[23:07] <MobileRoey> looking forward to chattting with you again soon
[23:07] <soee> bluetooth?
[23:07] <MobileRoey> ya
[23:07] <soee> use Dolphin
[23:07] <MobileRoey> I have a bluetooth adaptor for my desktop
[23:08] <soee> open it and browse your device when connected
[23:12] <MobileRoey> soee, apaprently it is paired for audio only
[23:12] <MobileRoey> how do I change this?
[23:12] <MobileRoey> I don't see bluetooth in my dolphin on the desktop
[23:14] <soee> i do not know i don't use bluetooth :(
[23:14] <soee> i use WiFi to connect devices
[23:14] <MobileRoey> ok
[23:14] <MobileRoey> so I am wondering how i would connect this to my
[23:14] <MobileRoey> oh
[23:14] <MobileRoey> just specify the ip......
[23:16] <MobileRoey> hrm
[23:16] <MobileRoey> tried that
[23:16] <MobileRoey> no go
[23:16] <MobileRoey> like...
[23:16] <MobileRoey> I tried adding it on my phone in kde connect
[23:16] <MobileRoey> by IP
[23:16] <MobileRoey> but... it does nto appear in the list of devices available to connect to
[23:18] <MobileRoey> ok
[23:18] <MobileRoey> will BBL
[23:18] <MobileRoey> see you then, soee
[23:18] <MobileRoey> :)
[23:18] <soee> bye :)