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redwolfo/18:02
wxlhey wolfie :)18:02
wxlit's been kinda quiet here this morning18:02
redwolfI see18:03
redwolfwell, a bit more "alive" on mail18:03
wxlyeah18:03
wxlthe nice thing about mail is people can reply to it at their leisure18:03
redwolfyup18:03
redwolfso, have you seen this? https://getgrav.org/18:03
redwolfis that hosting necessarily wp based?18:04
wxlnot necessarily but it's easier for it18:04
wxljuju you know18:04
redwolfyes. so a simple folder with an "index.php" will suffice?18:04
wxlwell my assumption is that we could just feed them the files and let them do it18:05
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redwolfwp is ok for me. easier.18:05
redwolfgrav is markdown.18:06
wxli know18:06
wxland i like that18:06
wxlbut18:06
redwolfbut it has a wysiwyg editor too18:06
wxli'm thinking let's make it simple18:06
redwolfI liked it because you can move it anytime, just a few files18:06
wxlwe should be worrying about supporting and maintaining lubuntu, not our infrastructure18:06
redwolflike the good old html18:06
wxlyeah and you can also use a backup plugin18:06
wxland other stuff18:06
redwolfok for me then18:06
redwolfI own the domain. what about that? can they pay for it too?18:07
wxl1s phonr18:07
wxls/r/e18:07
redwolfokies. I wait.18:07
sgclarkhi all.18:16
redwolfhi sgclark18:23
wxlwhoa that was quite a phone call, sorry18:30
wxlso18:30
wxlhere's what i know, redwolf: canonical will pay for domain registration and supply hosting for verified locos. that being said, i can't imagine that they wouldn't do it for one of their official flavors. i'm in the process of trying to figure out how that all works.18:31
sgclarkI can't say on their behalf for sure, but I am certain we can get that sorted for you all.18:32
wxlif you could do that, i'd be so grateful18:32
sgclarkit is after all the branding is at stake here.18:33
wxlwe've already been using wordpress for the website, so it could just do one of their juju installs18:33
wxlyup18:33
sgclarksorry you all are going through this.18:34
wxlsgclark: redwolf owns the domain currently, but i think this has taught us all that we should put things into a wider audience than just one person18:34
sgclarkabsolutely18:34
redwolfI always recommended that18:34
wxlsgclark: maybe i should just make an rt to do the transfer?18:34
redwolfavoiding single person's control18:34
wxlyup18:34
wxli mean *I* don't want to be in control of anything. i want *US* to be in control.18:34
sgclarkwxl: yes and plase send us the ticket number so we can keep tabs and communicate as necessary18:35
redwolfwhat if tomorrow I decide to get boobs and join a whore caravan? you'll no longer access my design skills!18:35
redwolf.__.18:35
wxlyes, that is a legitimate concern, isn't it now?18:35
sgclarkright, it should be a group working together, no single power...18:35
sgclarkwe have seen this fail several time now heh18:35
wxlignore redwolf. he's silly sgclark :)18:35
redwolfand for everything. that's the wiki spirit and they're right18:36
redwolfdon't worry. I don't like boobs18:36
sgclarklol18:36
wxlANYWAYS :)18:36
sgclarklol18:36
redwolfo.o18:36
wxli've asked other members of the cc to try to ask for the backups18:36
wxlif we cannot get the backups for some reason, then we can always get the data off the wayback machine18:37
redwolfyes. but remember that I can't assure you I'll be able to access HIS server18:37
wxlwe'll just have to recreate everything from scratch, but i don't think it will be that hard18:37
redwolfno that I have everything in mind18:37
wxlredwolf: wait, do you still have access?18:37
sgclarkcc as in us?18:37
redwolfnope18:37
redwolfWAIT! let me try18:37
wxlyes, but i didn't ask the entire cc, sgclark. i probably should, but i was having a chat with a couple other members on a non-public channel18:37
sgclarkah no worries, I have been rather caught up in my own madness, not filled in for everything.18:38
redwolfwxl, I'll do the announcement about the site down18:38
wxlneedless to say this has been at least someo of the reason i've not been too active on the loco lately. sorry.18:38
wxlredwolf: thx. if you can get access just tarball the entire thing and download it!!!18:39
redwolfI'll try18:39
sgclarkother than lfnw (which was a success) I have been bad too18:39
sgclarkapparently 24 hours in a day is not enough18:40
wxlsgclark: thanks for doing that. eventually we'll all get our stuff together and make the loco really work well. i'm totally re-energized with this decision18:40
wxlyeah well we've been wrestling with the work mail server for the past couple days, too, so it's other life here, too18:40
sgclarkyeah I need to get out and start networking lol18:40
sgclarkloco is a great way to get that going18:40
wxlgo to more conferences XD18:40
wxlanyways, seriously, sgclark i appreciate all your help as an acting cc member. i know you just got the seat and you've already got difficult stuff to deal with it. just saying, thanks.18:41
sgclarkyeah, I have gone to many, but I want to live in Oregon, so I need to make pretend conferences here and force peeps to go :)18:41
wxlhahahah that's a great idea!18:41
sgclarkwxl: ty, I appreciate that18:42
wxlwe could go with the whole phone book method: "AAAAAA1 LINUX CONFERENCE"18:42
sgclarklol18:42
sgclarkbut I am working on bringing myself to reasonable levels of contributions to make room in life for fun things like that.18:43
wxlahhhh balance is good18:44
wxli've come to the awareness i can't take on really any more in terms of contributions18:44
wxli want to get my hand in every pot, but then i only trickle a little bit out here and there18:44
sgclarkright, I have come to terms that I HAVE to cut back and live life. Or bad things happen.18:44
sgclarkexactly18:45
wxlhave you already cut things out?18:45
sgclarkSo I think it is good to also get out the message that contributions are great, but only contribute what you can realistically can.18:46
wxlyup[18:46
sgclarkyes I am stepping back from Kubuntu. I was working 60-80 hours a week for free.18:47
wxlbut also, if you don't contribute at all, do SOMETHING :)18:47
redwolfwxl, he revoked my access to both machines :(18:47
sgclarkthat is not realitic18:47
wxlbummer redwolf18:47
redwolfsorry, I tried via SSH, FTP, SFTP...18:47
wxlsgclark: so have you delegated roles or just tasks?18:47
wxlredwolf: and i assume you can't access the wordpress site?18:47
sgclarkno one to delegate to.18:47
redwolfnone, wxl18:47
sgclarkI am still around, but they agree I need to step back.18:47
wxlwow18:48
wxlthank god for a supportive community18:48
wxlredwolf: well, then we await to see whether or not the cc can help18:48
redwolfyes. okies :(18:48
sgclarkyes many sad faces, but they understand, it is not right to expect someone to put in that much for free lol18:48
redwolfoh and sorry, sgclark, sometimes I forget I'm in an official channel and I can't say BOOBS .__.18:48
sgclarkhaha18:48
* wxl facepalms18:48
* sgclark doesn't care18:48
redwolf.__.18:49
sgclarkbut yeah some might18:49
wxlANYWAYS!!!!18:49
wxli'm working on that rt ticket now :)18:49
sgclarklol18:49
sgclarkk18:49
wxli think i'll send the cc a message, too, kind of making official the suggestion of asking phillw for the backups18:49
sgclarkok18:50
redwolfgrunt18:59
redwolfyou already know the answer18:59
redwolfwxl, kris is trying something19:02
redwolfsorry, Eurovision just started!!!19:03
redwolfbrb19:03
sgclarkso it looks like everyone else in the cc was already booked for today, not enough notice sorry. wxl if you and even with that there is so much to do could forward the ticket number when you get it I will create us a task.19:18
wxlyep no problem sgclark19:18
sgclarkhmm19:18
sgclarkinteresting paste in the middle of that sentence19:18
* sgclark hates touchpads19:19
sgclarkty wxl, glad you understood that lol19:19
wxlyeah i'm surprisingly good at reading between the lines19:19
sgclarkok I must run, was great chatting, I will hang out here :)19:20
wxlk cool! glad to have you around sgclark19:20
wxlone of these days i'll get up to portland and we can hang out again :)19:20
sgclarkyes!19:21
sgclarkor vise versa19:21
wxlyeah well perhaps there's less draw in eugene, but yes :)19:21
wxloooh maybe we can organize a loco meetup on the coast!!!19:21
wxlthat... is actually an interesting idea19:21
wxli'm gonna cogitate on that :)19:21
sgclarkoooh19:21
sgclarkI would be totally up for that19:22
wxlthere's no reason EVERYTHING we do has to be directly about ubuntu19:22
wxlwe can just comiserate for once19:22
sgclarkyep!19:22
wxli'll see what i can drum up :)19:22
wxlmeanwhile, stay in touch and take care!19:22
sgclarkditto :) bbl19:22
ianorlinBeing wiki admin and ragequits do not mix well20:26
wxlianorlin: good advice. want to be the wiki admin? XD20:27
tsimonq2aww come on wxl, I applied months ago XD20:27
wxltsimonq2: you shush. i have other plans for you.20:28
tsimonq2:D20:28
wxlas sgclark clark said up there, you can'd do everything20:28
tsimonq2wxl: just messing with you ;)20:28
wxlk20:28
wxlgood20:28
wxlcuz i think i was messing with ianorlin20:28
wxlor was i..... ???????20:28
wxlXD20:28
tsimonq2XD20:28
gilirhi here20:29
wxlgilir: !!!20:30
ianorlinI was trying to get mediawiki to work in a vm yesteday and ended up figuring out there was not a package in 16.04 by defualt but there was only an old version in the repos20:30
wxlianorlin: yeah, well, like gilir said in emails. there's no reason to not be patient and just wait a little bit. believe me, ubuntu wants their wiki fixed bad.20:31
gilirwxl, well my point was mostly : what documentation can we possibly done on a such future unstable ISO that Lubuntu + LXQt20:33
wxlgilir: mostly i think everyone's excited about tracking what little we do know. so the documentation is really more for testers than anyone.20:34
gilirwxl, did you talk to rafael today ?20:35
wxlgilir: yes. any particular question?20:35
gilirwxl, we just talked about the website hosting problem earlier this morning, apparently you done the same a bit after :-)20:36
wxlgilir: yes. :) and it sounds like he will be able to have access to the data tomorrow. so one of the cc members can set up an interim site for us and then when canonical can, they'll take over20:36
wxlgilir: meanwhile, canonical will work with rafael to transfer the domain into canonical's hands.20:37
gilirI imagined a temporary solution like a worpress.com stuff, but you found a better way it seems20:37
wxlyeah i got lucky20:37
wxlmeanwhile i did ask rafael to point lubuntu.me at lubuntu.net20:37
wxlso at least it doesn't go to some random page :/20:37
wxli sure wish mario would fork over his site.20:38
giliryes, that's another topic :-/20:39
wxli khnow20:39
wxli won't bother with that one for now XD20:40
gilirthanks :-)20:40
wxlheheh np20:40
wxlis there anything else that you feel is really urgent that we need to deal with right now? or anything that we might need canonical/cc resources for?20:41
gilirwxl, I don't think so20:41
ianorlinyeah I know I was at lunch with sgclarck at scale at lunch at a mexican restraunt and the look on lyz's face when I borught that up was really sad20:41
tewardianorlin: wrt mediawiki package removal, it was dropped with the php transition20:42
tewardianorlin: because MW doesn't officially support PHP7.0 yet20:42
wxlyay php..20:42
ianorlinah yeah I kind of figured that20:42
tewardsorry, I just kind of resurfaced after stabbing a debdiff for an hour ;)20:42
gilirwxl, I have also a lot of proposal / discussion / works to do ... it's hard to know how to start :-/20:43
wxlgilir: just start with one thing and move from there! :)20:43
redwolfo/20:43
gilirbut I 'll start with lxqt seed, too much people is waiting for it20:43
wxlyeah i think that would be great20:44
gilirlubuntu + lxqt seed20:44
gilirhi redwolf20:44
redwolfhi gilir. I guess you're informed by now20:44
redwolfI'll need an IP tomorrow, so I can transfer the whole web to a new safe place20:45
redwolfI'll have a limited access for 24 hours20:45
wxloh20:45
redwolfkindness itself *grunt*20:45
wxlhmmmmm20:45
wxluhhhhh20:45
gilirredwolf, yeah, wxl told me20:45
redwolf:)20:45
redwolfthen, I'll take more disciplinary actions20:45
redwolfI'm pissed off too, gilir20:46
ianorlinwell multiple people with backups for sites like this might be a good idea20:46
wxlwell if we have it under canonical's control there will be little reason to be concerned20:48
wxlthere's a nice backup plugin in wordpress20:49
marcoceppio/20:49
wxlhi marcoceppi20:49
wxlgilir, redwolf: marcoceppi is the generous cc member that offered us temporary hosting20:50
gilirthanks you marcoceppi :-)20:50
wxlmarcoceppi: tomorrow redwolf is apparently being granted access to the site. how can he get a tarball or whatever in your hands?20:50
wxlmarcoceppi: to the old site i mean20:50
marcoceppiemail, zip drive in the mail, upload it somewhere else any means20:51
marcoceppiis the old site wordpress?20:51
wxlyes20:51
marcoceppibasically everything in the wordpress root directory20:51
wxllots of custom css, etc.20:51
* marcoceppi nods20:51
wxlit won't be huge but it's more than a couple text files :)20:51
wxlmaybe dropbox and/or google drive might be a good solution20:52
wxlredwolf: ^^20:52
marcoceppiwxl gilir I can add your SSH key to a server if you want to rsync it there, otherwise dropbox, email, etc20:52
redwolfI know him ^^20:52
redwolfwxl, I expect more. having a literal copy from one place to another20:52
wxlmarcoceppi: redwolf is the one guy that will have access to the old server, so you can use his key20:52
redwolfthe problem is the database, a single copy isn't enough20:53
redwolfkris will guide me, as he copied an entire WP site using scp. yes, only using that20:53
redwolfBUT my credentials will expire on the weekend20:53
marcoceppiredwolf: since you'll be on the machine, you can use the wp-config.php files to get teh database credentials and then do aMySQL dump from the command line20:53
redwolfyup20:54
redwolfbut I'll install the handy copy plugin in both places (old site and a fresh wp install with only that plugin)20:54
redwolfI did it once and it worked, considering my lack of knowledge of admin stuff!20:54
wxlso at that point, he would just need to know hostname/port sort of stuff to access your server, marcoceppi. assuming you stick his ssh key in there.20:54
redwolfyup20:55
redwolfwait... marcoceppi, are you going to help us?!20:55
* wxl facepalms20:55
marcoceppiwxl: well, yes, we can give that run first. We'll need to formalize it once it's mvoed over, get it plugged into the juju charms so we can hand it off to IS20:55
redwolf^^20:55
redwolfwxl, I mean, personally20:55
wxlum20:56
wxlyes20:56
redwolf^^20:56
wxlhe's providing an interim solution while we wait for canonical it20:56
redwolfyayy!20:56
wxllike i said, he's gracious20:56
marcoceppiredwolf wxl I'll stand up a vanilla, open, WordPress site now so we can get the xfer done, then we can worry about the logistics of charming20:56
* redwolf licks his Ubuntu Member diploma20:56
redwolfokies20:56
marcoceppiredwolf: do you ahve a link to the plugin you wish to use?20:56
wxlredwolf: so your number one job tomorrow is to simply get the data and transfer it over20:57
wxlanything else is icing on the cake :)20:57
wxlOH20:57
redwolflet me look for it20:57
wxland redwolf did you point lubuntu.me at lubuntu.net????20:57
redwolfyes, wxl :)20:58
redwolfhttps://wordpress.org/plugins/duplicator-clone/screenshots/20:58
wxlgreat thanks20:59
redwolfnope, sorry, wrong plugin20:59
redwolfhttps://wordpress.org/plugins/duplicator/20:59
redwolfthat!20:59
wxlso far not working, b ut i'm sure it will eventually20:59
redwolfI hope it will work in 3 or 4 hours, after the refreshing20:59
redwolfpropagating... whatever21:00
redwolfthe spread stuff21:00
redwolflet me say, marcoceppi, I feel really supported now I had the good news :)21:01
marcoceppiredwolf: I'm skeptical of this plugin, give a shot but be prepared to tar up files and dump databases21:01
marcoceppimainly because this new server doesn't have FTP21:01
wxlyou should use the backup plugin21:02
redwolfI will, but trust me, it worked21:03
redwolfaw!21:03
wxlhttps://wordpress.org/plugins/updraftplus/21:03
redwolfI'll try both to be sure21:03
wxlit's way more versatile21:04
wxland it essentially does the same thing as the so-called duplicator21:04
redwolfokies. then I'll pick my eye on it only21:04
wxli'm heading out for lunch folks21:07
wxlthank you everyone21:07
redwolfokies. I'm off to bed.21:08
redwolfbookmarked that, wxl21:08
redwolfthanks again, marcoceppi21:13
redwolfbye!21:14

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