[18:02] <redwolf> o/
[18:02] <wxl> hey wolfie :)
[18:02] <wxl> it's been kinda quiet here this morning
[18:03] <redwolf> I see
[18:03] <redwolf> well, a bit more "alive" on mail
[18:03] <wxl> yeah
[18:03] <wxl> the nice thing about mail is people can reply to it at their leisure
[18:03] <redwolf> yup
[18:03] <redwolf> so, have you seen this? https://getgrav.org/
[18:04] <redwolf> is that hosting necessarily wp based?
[18:04] <wxl> not necessarily but it's easier for it
[18:04] <wxl> juju you know
[18:04] <redwolf> yes. so a simple folder with an "index.php" will suffice?
[18:05] <wxl> well my assumption is that we could just feed them the files and let them do it
[18:05] <redwolf> wp is ok for me. easier.
[18:06] <redwolf> grav is markdown.
[18:06] <wxl> i know
[18:06] <wxl> and i like that
[18:06] <wxl> but
[18:06] <redwolf> but it has a wysiwyg editor too
[18:06] <wxl> i'm thinking let's make it simple
[18:06] <redwolf> I liked it because you can move it anytime, just a few files
[18:06] <wxl> we should be worrying about supporting and maintaining lubuntu, not our infrastructure
[18:06] <redwolf> like the good old html
[18:06] <wxl> yeah and you can also use a backup plugin
[18:06] <wxl> and other stuff
[18:06] <redwolf> ok for me then
[18:07] <redwolf> I own the domain. what about that? can they pay for it too?
[18:07] <wxl> 1s phonr
[18:07] <wxl> s/r/e
[18:07] <redwolf> okies. I wait.
[18:16] <sgclark> hi all.
[18:23] <redwolf> hi sgclark
[18:30] <wxl> whoa that was quite a phone call, sorry
[18:30] <wxl> so
[18:31] <wxl> here's what i know, redwolf: canonical will pay for domain registration and supply hosting for verified locos. that being said, i can't imagine that they wouldn't do it for one of their official flavors. i'm in the process of trying to figure out how that all works.
[18:32] <sgclark> I can't say on their behalf for sure, but I am certain we can get that sorted for you all.
[18:32] <wxl> if you could do that, i'd be so grateful
[18:33] <sgclark> it is after all the branding is at stake here.
[18:33] <wxl> we've already been using wordpress for the website, so it could just do one of their juju installs
[18:33] <wxl> yup
[18:34] <sgclark> sorry you all are going through this.
[18:34] <wxl> sgclark: redwolf owns the domain currently, but i think this has taught us all that we should put things into a wider audience than just one person
[18:34] <sgclark> absolutely
[18:34] <redwolf> I always recommended that
[18:34] <wxl> sgclark: maybe i should just make an rt to do the transfer?
[18:34] <redwolf> avoiding single person's control
[18:34] <wxl> yup
[18:34] <wxl> i mean *I* don't want to be in control of anything. i want *US* to be in control.
[18:35] <sgclark> wxl: yes and plase send us the ticket number so we can keep tabs and communicate as necessary
[18:35] <redwolf> what if tomorrow I decide to get boobs and join a whore caravan? you'll no longer access my design skills!
[18:35] <redwolf> .__.
[18:35] <wxl> yes, that is a legitimate concern, isn't it now?
[18:35] <sgclark> right, it should be a group working together, no single power...
[18:35] <sgclark> we have seen this fail several time now heh
[18:35] <wxl> ignore redwolf. he's silly sgclark :)
[18:36] <redwolf> and for everything. that's the wiki spirit and they're right
[18:36] <redwolf> don't worry. I don't like boobs
[18:36] <sgclark> lol
[18:36] <wxl> ANYWAYS :)
[18:36] <sgclark> lol
[18:36] <redwolf> o.o
[18:36] <wxl> i've asked other members of the cc to try to ask for the backups
[18:37] <wxl> if we cannot get the backups for some reason, then we can always get the data off the wayback machine
[18:37] <redwolf> yes. but remember that I can't assure you I'll be able to access HIS server
[18:37] <wxl> we'll just have to recreate everything from scratch, but i don't think it will be that hard
[18:37] <redwolf> no that I have everything in mind
[18:37] <wxl> redwolf: wait, do you still have access?
[18:37] <sgclark> cc as in us?
[18:37] <redwolf> nope
[18:37] <redwolf> WAIT! let me try
[18:37] <wxl> yes, but i didn't ask the entire cc, sgclark. i probably should, but i was having a chat with a couple other members on a non-public channel
[18:38] <sgclark> ah no worries, I have been rather caught up in my own madness, not filled in for everything.
[18:38] <redwolf> wxl, I'll do the announcement about the site down
[18:38] <wxl> needless to say this has been at least someo of the reason i've not been too active on the loco lately. sorry.
[18:39] <wxl> redwolf: thx. if you can get access just tarball the entire thing and download it!!!
[18:39] <redwolf> I'll try
[18:39] <sgclark> other than lfnw (which was a success) I have been bad too
[18:40] <sgclark> apparently 24 hours in a day is not enough
[18:40] <wxl> sgclark: thanks for doing that. eventually we'll all get our stuff together and make the loco really work well. i'm totally re-energized with this decision
[18:40] <wxl> yeah well we've been wrestling with the work mail server for the past couple days, too, so it's other life here, too
[18:40] <sgclark> yeah I need to get out and start networking lol
[18:40] <sgclark> loco is a great way to get that going
[18:40] <wxl> go to more conferences XD
[18:41] <wxl> anyways, seriously, sgclark i appreciate all your help as an acting cc member. i know you just got the seat and you've already got difficult stuff to deal with it. just saying, thanks.
[18:41] <sgclark> yeah, I have gone to many, but I want to live in Oregon, so I need to make pretend conferences here and force peeps to go :)
[18:41] <wxl> hahahah that's a great idea!
[18:42] <sgclark> wxl: ty, I appreciate that
[18:42] <wxl> we could go with the whole phone book method: "AAAAAA1 LINUX CONFERENCE"
[18:42] <sgclark> lol
[18:43] <sgclark> but I am working on bringing myself to reasonable levels of contributions to make room in life for fun things like that.
[18:44] <wxl> ahhhh balance is good
[18:44] <wxl> i've come to the awareness i can't take on really any more in terms of contributions
[18:44] <wxl> i want to get my hand in every pot, but then i only trickle a little bit out here and there
[18:44] <sgclark> right, I have come to terms that I HAVE to cut back and live life. Or bad things happen.
[18:45] <sgclark> exactly
[18:45] <wxl> have you already cut things out?
[18:46] <sgclark> So I think it is good to also get out the message that contributions are great, but only contribute what you can realistically can.
[18:46] <wxl> yup[
[18:47] <sgclark> yes I am stepping back from Kubuntu. I was working 60-80 hours a week for free.
[18:47] <wxl> but also, if you don't contribute at all, do SOMETHING :)
[18:47] <redwolf> wxl, he revoked my access to both machines :(
[18:47] <sgclark> that is not realitic
[18:47] <wxl> bummer redwolf
[18:47] <redwolf> sorry, I tried via SSH, FTP, SFTP...
[18:47] <wxl> sgclark: so have you delegated roles or just tasks?
[18:47] <wxl> redwolf: and i assume you can't access the wordpress site?
[18:47] <sgclark> no one to delegate to.
[18:47] <redwolf> none, wxl
[18:47] <sgclark> I am still around, but they agree I need to step back.
[18:48] <wxl> wow
[18:48] <wxl> thank god for a supportive community
[18:48] <wxl> redwolf: well, then we await to see whether or not the cc can help
[18:48] <redwolf> yes. okies :(
[18:48] <sgclark> yes many sad faces, but they understand, it is not right to expect someone to put in that much for free lol
[18:48] <redwolf> oh and sorry, sgclark, sometimes I forget I'm in an official channel and I can't say BOOBS .__.
[18:48] <sgclark> haha
[18:48]  * wxl facepalms
[18:48]  * sgclark doesn't care
[18:49] <redwolf> .__.
[18:49] <sgclark> but yeah some might
[18:49] <wxl> ANYWAYS!!!!
[18:49] <wxl> i'm working on that rt ticket now :)
[18:49] <sgclark> lol
[18:49] <sgclark> k
[18:49] <wxl> i think i'll send the cc a message, too, kind of making official the suggestion of asking phillw for the backups
[18:50] <sgclark> ok
[18:59] <redwolf> grunt
[18:59] <redwolf> you already know the answer
[19:02] <redwolf> wxl, kris is trying something
[19:03] <redwolf> sorry, Eurovision just started!!!
[19:03] <redwolf> brb
[19:18] <sgclark> so it looks like everyone else in the cc was already booked for today, not enough notice sorry. wxl if you and even with that there is so much to do could forward the ticket number when you get it I will create us a task.
[19:18] <wxl> yep no problem sgclark
[19:18] <sgclark> hmm
[19:18] <sgclark> interesting paste in the middle of that sentence
[19:19]  * sgclark hates touchpads
[19:19] <sgclark> ty wxl, glad you understood that lol
[19:19] <wxl> yeah i'm surprisingly good at reading between the lines
[19:20] <sgclark> ok I must run, was great chatting, I will hang out here :)
[19:20] <wxl> k cool! glad to have you around sgclark
[19:20] <wxl> one of these days i'll get up to portland and we can hang out again :)
[19:21] <sgclark> yes!
[19:21] <sgclark> or vise versa
[19:21] <wxl> yeah well perhaps there's less draw in eugene, but yes :)
[19:21] <wxl> oooh maybe we can organize a loco meetup on the coast!!!
[19:21] <wxl> that... is actually an interesting idea
[19:21] <wxl> i'm gonna cogitate on that :)
[19:21] <sgclark> oooh
[19:22] <sgclark> I would be totally up for that
[19:22] <wxl> there's no reason EVERYTHING we do has to be directly about ubuntu
[19:22] <wxl> we can just comiserate for once
[19:22] <sgclark> yep!
[19:22] <wxl> i'll see what i can drum up :)
[19:22] <wxl> meanwhile, stay in touch and take care!
[19:22] <sgclark> ditto :) bbl
[20:26] <ianorlin> Being wiki admin and ragequits do not mix well
[20:27] <wxl> ianorlin: good advice. want to be the wiki admin? XD
[20:27] <tsimonq2> aww come on wxl, I applied months ago XD
[20:28] <wxl> tsimonq2: you shush. i have other plans for you.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:28] <wxl> as sgclark clark said up there, you can'd do everything
[20:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: just messing with you ;)
[20:28] <wxl> k
[20:28] <wxl> good
[20:28] <wxl> cuz i think i was messing with ianorlin
[20:28] <wxl> or was i..... ???????
[20:28] <wxl> XD
[20:28] <tsimonq2> XD
[20:29] <gilir> hi here
[20:30] <wxl> gilir: !!!
[20:30] <ianorlin> I was trying to get mediawiki to work in a vm yesteday and ended up figuring out there was not a package in 16.04 by defualt but there was only an old version in the repos
[20:31] <wxl> ianorlin: yeah, well, like gilir said in emails. there's no reason to not be patient and just wait a little bit. believe me, ubuntu wants their wiki fixed bad.
[20:33] <gilir> wxl, well my point was mostly : what documentation can we possibly done on a such future unstable ISO that Lubuntu + LXQt
[20:34] <wxl> gilir: mostly i think everyone's excited about tracking what little we do know. so the documentation is really more for testers than anyone.
[20:35] <gilir> wxl, did you talk to rafael today ?
[20:35] <wxl> gilir: yes. any particular question?
[20:36] <gilir> wxl, we just talked about the website hosting problem earlier this morning, apparently you done the same a bit after :-)
[20:36] <wxl> gilir: yes. :) and it sounds like he will be able to have access to the data tomorrow. so one of the cc members can set up an interim site for us and then when canonical can, they'll take over
[20:37] <wxl> gilir: meanwhile, canonical will work with rafael to transfer the domain into canonical's hands.
[20:37] <gilir> I imagined a temporary solution like a worpress.com stuff, but you found a better way it seems
[20:37] <wxl> yeah i got lucky
[20:37] <wxl> meanwhile i did ask rafael to point lubuntu.me at lubuntu.net
[20:37] <wxl> so at least it doesn't go to some random page :/
[20:38] <wxl> i sure wish mario would fork over his site.
[20:39] <gilir> yes, that's another topic :-/
[20:39] <wxl> i khnow
[20:40] <wxl> i won't bother with that one for now XD
[20:40] <gilir> thanks :-)
[20:40] <wxl> heheh np
[20:41] <wxl> is there anything else that you feel is really urgent that we need to deal with right now? or anything that we might need canonical/cc resources for?
[20:41] <gilir> wxl, I don't think so
[20:41] <ianorlin> yeah I know I was at lunch with sgclarck at scale at lunch at a mexican restraunt and the look on lyz's face when I borught that up was really sad
[20:42] <teward> ianorlin: wrt mediawiki package removal, it was dropped with the php transition
[20:42] <teward> ianorlin: because MW doesn't officially support PHP7.0 yet
[20:42] <wxl> yay php..
[20:42] <ianorlin> ah yeah I kind of figured that
[20:42] <teward> sorry, I just kind of resurfaced after stabbing a debdiff for an hour ;)
[20:43] <gilir> wxl, I have also a lot of proposal / discussion / works to do ... it's hard to know how to start :-/
[20:43] <wxl> gilir: just start with one thing and move from there! :)
[20:43] <redwolf> o/
[20:43] <gilir> but I 'll start with lxqt seed, too much people is waiting for it
[20:44] <wxl> yeah i think that would be great
[20:44] <gilir> lubuntu + lxqt seed
[20:44] <gilir> hi redwolf
[20:44] <redwolf> hi gilir. I guess you're informed by now
[20:45] <redwolf> I'll need an IP tomorrow, so I can transfer the whole web to a new safe place
[20:45] <redwolf> I'll have a limited access for 24 hours
[20:45] <wxl> oh
[20:45] <redwolf> kindness itself *grunt*
[20:45] <wxl> hmmmmm
[20:45] <wxl> uhhhhh
[20:45] <gilir> redwolf, yeah, wxl told me
[20:45] <redwolf> :)
[20:45] <redwolf> then, I'll take more disciplinary actions
[20:46] <redwolf> I'm pissed off too, gilir
[20:46] <ianorlin> well multiple people with backups for sites like this might be a good idea
[20:48] <wxl> well if we have it under canonical's control there will be little reason to be concerned
[20:49] <wxl> there's a nice backup plugin in wordpress
[20:49] <marcoceppi> o/
[20:49] <wxl> hi marcoceppi
[20:50] <wxl> gilir, redwolf: marcoceppi is the generous cc member that offered us temporary hosting
[20:50] <gilir> thanks you marcoceppi :-)
[20:50] <wxl> marcoceppi: tomorrow redwolf is apparently being granted access to the site. how can he get a tarball or whatever in your hands?
[20:50] <wxl> marcoceppi: to the old site i mean
[20:51] <marcoceppi> email, zip drive in the mail, upload it somewhere else any means
[20:51] <marcoceppi> is the old site wordpress?
[20:51] <wxl> yes
[20:51] <marcoceppi> basically everything in the wordpress root directory
[20:51] <wxl> lots of custom css, etc.
[20:51]  * marcoceppi nods
[20:51] <wxl> it won't be huge but it's more than a couple text files :)
[20:52] <wxl> maybe dropbox and/or google drive might be a good solution
[20:52] <wxl> redwolf: ^^
[20:52] <marcoceppi> wxl gilir I can add your SSH key to a server if you want to rsync it there, otherwise dropbox, email, etc
[20:52] <redwolf> I know him ^^
[20:52] <redwolf> wxl, I expect more. having a literal copy from one place to another
[20:52] <wxl> marcoceppi: redwolf is the one guy that will have access to the old server, so you can use his key
[20:53] <redwolf> the problem is the database, a single copy isn't enough
[20:53] <redwolf> kris will guide me, as he copied an entire WP site using scp. yes, only using that
[20:53] <redwolf> BUT my credentials will expire on the weekend
[20:53] <marcoceppi> redwolf: since you'll be on the machine, you can use the wp-config.php files to get teh database credentials and then do aMySQL dump from the command line
[20:54] <redwolf> yup
[20:54] <redwolf> but I'll install the handy copy plugin in both places (old site and a fresh wp install with only that plugin)
[20:54] <redwolf> I did it once and it worked, considering my lack of knowledge of admin stuff!
[20:54] <wxl> so at that point, he would just need to know hostname/port sort of stuff to access your server, marcoceppi. assuming you stick his ssh key in there.
[20:55] <redwolf> yup
[20:55] <redwolf> wait... marcoceppi, are you going to help us?!
[20:55]  * wxl facepalms
[20:55] <marcoceppi> wxl: well, yes, we can give that run first. We'll need to formalize it once it's mvoed over, get it plugged into the juju charms so we can hand it off to IS
[20:55] <redwolf> ^^
[20:55] <redwolf> wxl, I mean, personally
[20:56] <wxl> um
[20:56] <wxl> yes
[20:56] <redwolf> ^^
[20:56] <wxl> he's providing an interim solution while we wait for canonical it
[20:56] <redwolf> yayy!
[20:56] <wxl> like i said, he's gracious
[20:56] <marcoceppi> redwolf wxl I'll stand up a vanilla, open, WordPress site now so we can get the xfer done, then we can worry about the logistics of charming
[20:56]  * redwolf licks his Ubuntu Member diploma
[20:56] <redwolf> okies
[20:56] <marcoceppi> redwolf: do you ahve a link to the plugin you wish to use?
[20:57] <wxl> redwolf: so your number one job tomorrow is to simply get the data and transfer it over
[20:57] <wxl> anything else is icing on the cake :)
[20:57] <wxl> OH
[20:57] <redwolf> let me look for it
[20:57] <wxl> and redwolf did you point lubuntu.me at lubuntu.net????
[20:58] <redwolf> yes, wxl :)
[20:58] <redwolf> https://wordpress.org/plugins/duplicator-clone/screenshots/
[20:59] <wxl> great thanks
[20:59] <redwolf> nope, sorry, wrong plugin
[20:59] <redwolf> https://wordpress.org/plugins/duplicator/
[20:59] <redwolf> that!
[20:59] <wxl> so far not working, b ut i'm sure it will eventually
[20:59] <redwolf> I hope it will work in 3 or 4 hours, after the refreshing
[21:00] <redwolf> propagating... whatever
[21:00] <redwolf> the spread stuff
[21:01] <redwolf> let me say, marcoceppi, I feel really supported now I had the good news :)
[21:01] <marcoceppi> redwolf: I'm skeptical of this plugin, give a shot but be prepared to tar up files and dump databases
[21:01] <marcoceppi> mainly because this new server doesn't have FTP
[21:02] <wxl> you should use the backup plugin
[21:03] <redwolf> I will, but trust me, it worked
[21:03] <redwolf> aw!
[21:03] <wxl> https://wordpress.org/plugins/updraftplus/
[21:03] <redwolf> I'll try both to be sure
[21:04] <wxl> it's way more versatile
[21:04] <wxl> and it essentially does the same thing as the so-called duplicator
[21:04] <redwolf> okies. then I'll pick my eye on it only
[21:07] <wxl> i'm heading out for lunch folks
[21:07] <wxl> thank you everyone
[21:08] <redwolf> okies. I'm off to bed.
[21:08] <redwolf> bookmarked that, wxl
[21:13] <redwolf> thanks again, marcoceppi
[21:14] <redwolf> bye!