[04:48] <hikiko> hi
[05:04] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[05:05] <hikiko> hello duflu :-)
[05:05] <hikiko> how are you ?
[05:06] <duflu> hikiko: Good, I think. You?
[05:13] <hikiko> good
[05:14] <hikiko> ;
[05:14] <hikiko> Sorry
[05:15] <duflu> hikiko: BTW I looked at kgunn's spreadsheet this morning. You hadn't filled it out yet. See email titled 'sprint?'
[07:13] <Sweet5hark> goood morning desktoppers!
[07:13] <TheMuso> Hey Sweet5hark.
[07:16] <Sweet5hark> heya
[07:24] <pitti> Good morning
[07:24] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark TheMuso, pitti, how are you?
[07:25] <pitti> seb128: quite fine, thanks! nice basketball game last night; how about you?
[07:25]  * Sweet5hark is "woken due to construction in neighbor appartment" ;)
[07:25] <pitti> hello Sweet5hark!
[07:26] <seb128> pitti, I'm good thanks! a bit tired, though I didn't do sport yesterday evening
[07:26] <TheMuso> Sweet5hark: Yep that would suck, particularly when the concrete is being drilled into/hammered etc.
[07:26] <Sweet5hark> TheMuso: yes, that ;)
[07:27] <Sweet5hark> pitti: heya, you shadow desktop team member ;)
[07:27] <seb128> pitti, sorry for getting those lid close debug info wrong, though I think the | grep systemd was ok since logind output is "systemd-logind"
[07:27] <pitti> seb128: oh, you're right
[07:28] <pitti> seb128: I misread that, sorry
[07:28] <seb128> pitti, no worry
[07:31] <pitti> seb128: I followed up to the bug again
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, danke
[07:32] <seb128> pitti, I'm out of ideas now on that bug though :-/
[07:32] <seb128> it's not a inhibit lock
[07:32] <seb128> it's not an external display
[07:33] <pitti> and suspend through menu works too, so the kernel/hw bits work too
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: do we have an u-settings-daemon debug log from the power plugin already?
[07:34] <pitti> to see whether that spits out anything useful?
[07:34] <seb128> no
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, but that user stated that "HandleLidSwitchDocked=suspend in /etc/systemd/logind.conf" make things work
[07:34] <pitti> right, which essentially short-circuits u-settings-daemon
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: the /sys/class/drm/* thing  still looks a bit suspicious though, as if card0-HDMI-A-1 was enabled
[07:36] <seb128> right
[07:36] <seb128> but xrandr disagrees
[07:36] <seb128>  LVDS connected primary 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 344mm x 194mm
[07:36] <seb128> HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[07:36] <seb128> VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[07:37] <seb128> let's wait for the grep -r output
[07:37] <seb128> just to make sure
[07:37] <pitti> yeah, could just be different sort order of ls vs. glob
[07:37] <seb128> is u-s-d involved in suspend nowadays?
[07:37] <seb128> or is it just taking inhibit locks
[07:38] <seb128> and otherwise letting systemd do the work?
[07:38] <pitti> it should work mostly through inhibitors and logind AFAIK
[07:38] <pitti> i. e. setting block inhibitors if you configure it to not suspend
[07:38] <pitti> but that was from a few years ago, I don't remember the details any more, need to look at the power plugin
[08:03] <Laney> morningu
[08:07] <willcooke> o/
[08:08] <pitti> hey Laney and willcooke!
[08:09] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:10] <willcooke> hey pitti TheMuso
[08:11] <seb128> back
[08:11] <seb128> good morning Laney & willcooke!
[08:11] <willcooke> morning seb128
[08:11] <seb128> (sorry went out to get some coffee and took me a bit to get back online, that coffee place changed their wifi password :p)
[08:11] <willcooke> hah!
[08:12] <seb128> they added a "-" in the middle, go figure :p
[08:12] <pitti> coffee shop at this hour already, tsk..
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:13] <Laney> when in holland...
[08:14] <willcooke> trololol
[08:14] <Laney> morning pitti seb128 willcooke et TheMuso!
[08:14] <willcooke> happyaron, thanks for moving that NM SRU forwards
[08:15]  * seb128 would like to point out that there is still one day to go before friday!
[08:16] <willcooke> heh, seb128 I made a note last night to follow up the white corners in Calendar issue, and this morning when I check the bug I see you've already looked at it 20 mins ago :)
[08:16] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, it was on my list, trying to get some SRUs uploaded today
[08:16]  * willcooke puts on his tin foil hat 
[08:16] <Laney> it's fixed in 3.20.2
[08:16] <willcooke> yeah
[08:17] <willcooke> t'is good
[08:17] <willcooke> we might need a theme change as well
[08:17] <willcooke> so I would like you to consider the coloured tabs in Terminal as well
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, right, which is the version I uploaded
[08:17] <seb128> or I think?
[08:18] <seb128> yes, that's right, you made me doubt for a sec :p
[08:18] <willcooke> seb128, shall I do an MP for the calendar theme change?
[08:18] <seb128> willcooke, what change?
[08:18] <willcooke> seb128, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/256667600/themepatch.txt
[08:18] <seb128> we already had the transparent bg thing
[08:19] <willcooke> we need some .views bits and pieces as well
[08:19] <seb128> it works with our current theme
[08:19] <seb128> well at least on my xenial
[08:19] <willcooke> oki, lemme clean up my test machine and try it
[08:19] <seb128> I included the rules that was supposed to work but didn't, before xenial
[08:19] <seb128> that update made it work
[08:19] <willcooke> ahhh
[08:19] <willcooke> oh, no
[08:19] <willcooke> humm
[08:19] <willcooke> lemme try it
[08:20] <seb128> did you already get the update?
[08:20] <seb128> I uploaded that like half an hour ago
[08:20] <willcooke> not yet
[08:20] <seb128> k
[08:20] <seb128> I was wondering
[08:20] <willcooke> I need to wipe my test machine it's in funny state
[08:20] <willcooke> so I can do that now
[08:21] <willcooke> so terminal tabs.....
[08:22] <willcooke> gooo onnnnnnnnnnnn
[08:22] <seb128> did you ever get any feedback from Laney or larsu?
[08:23]  * seb128 has no clue about vte and would prefer to stay away from this one
[08:23] <willcooke> I dont think larsu cared either way, and I think Laney said they were ugly
[08:24] <willcooke> a community member tested and said it was fine
[08:24] <willcooke> and design said +1
[08:24] <Laney> you make me sound mean :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[08:24] <willcooke> but fait
[08:24] <willcooke> fair
[08:24] <willcooke> They do look uglyish
[08:25] <seb128> if design +1 I think that settle it?
[08:25] <seb128> then we need somebody to review the technical bits/upload
[08:25] <seb128> which is were I was refering to the l* ;-)
[08:25] <willcooke> ahh
[08:25] <seb128> where
[08:26] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/762349
[08:26] <willcooke> https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/terminal-tabs/+merge/292055
[08:27] <seb128> willcooke, I'm going to try to get n-m and some other SRUs out of the way today, but if nobody else picks it up by then let's have a look next week?
[08:27] <willcooke> sure, no worries at all
[08:27] <Laney> what in the name of god is up with my network lately
[08:27] <Laney> it hangs for minutes at a time
[08:27] <willcooke> It's just a personal itch I'm scratching :)
[08:28] <willcooke> Laney, VPNs up?
[08:28] <Laney> no
[08:28] <Laney> it's not the network itself because my desktop works fine
[08:28] <Laney> and that's on the same switch
[08:29] <willcooke> my laptop does a weird thing when I have wifi and wired connected, it keeps asking for a new IP address every 30 mins or something
[08:29] <willcooke> could be similar
[08:29] <Laney> where is that logged?
[08:29] <willcooke> on my dhcp server :)
[08:29] <Laney> there's something about ipv6 in the journal
[08:30]  * willcooke has disable ipv6
[08:30] <Laney> since when did I have ipv6?!?!?!?!?
[08:30] <Laney> suspicious
[08:31] <happyaron> seb128: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/network-manager/+sourcepub/6415256/+listing-archive-extra
[08:31] <happyaron> the nm thing
[08:34] <seb128> happyaron, sorry, I mean to base it on the current SRU
[08:34] <happyaron> seb128: probably we want to SRU every nm plugin, I can't see any of the vpn plugin appear in the list except pptp
[08:34] <seb128> which you did... the diff link is confusing
[08:34] <happyaron> :)
[08:35] <seb128> happyaron, yeah, updating the plugins looks good. There is also a 1.2.2 update, need to do it and some point, though better for that bug to do the cherry pick to avoid potential issues with other changes that could delay the SRU
[08:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: "solved" my snapcraft problem btw with a fresh sources.list -- dont know yet what caused the trouble with the old one (esp. only in snapcraft, while working fine outside)
[08:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k, good to know!
[08:36] <happyaron> seb128: so we want those minor point releases being SRUed to xenial, if I understand correctly?
[08:36] <seb128> happyaron, yes
[08:36] <seb128> maybe get everything on 1.2 first
[08:36] <seb128> then have a round for 1.2.2
[08:37] <happyaron> ok
[08:42] <seb128> happyaron, just uploaded your n-m-openconnect sru, looking at the n-m one now
[08:43] <happyaron> thanks
[08:44] <seb128> happyaron, you might want to do the 1.2.2 update for y to start
[08:45] <happyaron> yep
[08:45] <happyaron> just updated the bug, not subscribing anyone atm
[08:46] <seb128> happyaron, you might want a new bug for 1.2.2
[08:46] <happyaron> OK
[08:46] <seb128> is that what you meant?
[08:46] <seb128> reusing the same ones make things more confusing
[08:46] <seb128> like it was already verification-done and has comments
[08:46] <happyaron> yep
[08:46] <seb128> get more difficult to know what applies to the current upload
[08:47] <happyaron> well I meant I updated lp #1574347
[08:47] <happyaron> I can move other stuff to individual reports if that's preferred
[08:48] <seb128> hum
[08:48] <seb128> let's keep that one for the cherry pick I just uploaded
[08:49] <seb128> and get a new one for 1.2.2
[08:49] <happyaron> ok
[08:49] <seb128> where we can add the different components
[08:53] <willcooke> ara, quick update... SRU for the suspend network manager issues is moving forwards ^
[08:54] <ara> willcooke, \o/ thanks!
[08:54] <willcooke> thanks --> happyaron & seb128
[08:55] <ara> happyaron, seb128: thanks!
[08:56] <seb128> see #ubuntu-devel as well about that, just pinged to try to get it reviewed today
[08:57] <seb128> willcooke, ara, btw just read that bluetooth one, unsure how important obexftp browsing from nautilus is, but it's not trivial work and I doubt we are going to get that soon unless we invest dev efforts on it
[08:57] <willcooke> yeah
[08:57] <willcooke> I dont think it's something we would take on without there being a fix upstream
[08:57] <ara> seb128, yes, I agree, but I guess they are concerned that the browsing files button is still there
[08:58] <ara> not working
[08:58] <willcooke> ara, but you don't see it right?
[08:58] <seb128> that we can fix
[08:58] <ara> willcooke, nope, I cannot see it
[08:58] <willcooke> strange
[08:58] <ara> willcooke, that's why I was asking Franz
[08:58] <ara> I only see Send Files (which works)
[08:58] <willcooke> I dont see anything at all about Bluetooth in Nautilus.. which I assume is because my phone doesnt do that
[08:58] <seb128> I've "browse files" listed here on my krillin
[08:58] <seb128> which is not around/connect
[08:59] <seb128> not for my android phone though
[08:59] <seb128> willcooke, it's not in nautilus
[08:59] <seb128> it's in indicator-bluetooth for paired devices
[08:59] <willcooke> ah, I dont see anything there either
[08:59] <seb128> depends of the device capability/protocol used I think
[09:00] <willcooke> yeah
[09:00]  * willcooke goes looking for an Android phone
[09:00] <seb128> willcooke, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-bluetooth/commit/?id=d3e1698b3e9ded6fce35096ff3dba9cd8e5a3c8b
[09:00] <seb128> "iDevices don't have OBEX support"
[09:00] <seb128> basically
[09:01] <willcooke> ah, thanks seb128
[09:01] <willcooke> I found an ancient HTC here...
[09:02] <willcooke> oh, looks like we might have a missing icon for audio devices
[09:03] <seb128> where?
[09:04] <willcooke> u-c-c
[09:04] <willcooke> Bluetooth
[09:04] <willcooke> I have one of those BT speakers in the bathroom
[09:04] <willcooke> "BTS-06"
[09:04] <willcooke> and I've got the black box with a red no entry sign in it
[09:04] <willcooke> as the icon
[09:04] <seb128> hum
[09:05] <willcooke> I'll run u-c-c in debug
[09:05] <seb128> willcooke, bug #1555170 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/247270085/Capture%20du%202016-03-09%2016-15-47.png
[09:06] <willcooke> ara, seb128 - with this android device I only see send files
[09:06] <willcooke> so I think thats correct
[09:06] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, as said same here, but with my ubuntu krillin I see the browse
[09:06] <willcooke> seb128, thats the one
[09:06] <seb128> I'm going to debug that
[09:06] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:06] <ara> seb128, ta!
[09:09] <seb128> willcooke, do you see an icon if you see the icon theme to adwaita?
[09:10] <willcooke> seb128, nope - but I do in High Contrast
[09:10] <seb128> can you screenshot it?
[09:10] <seb128> so I see what icon it is
[09:10] <seb128> trying to figure back the name
[09:13] <willcooke> seb128, added screenshot to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1555170
[09:13] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[09:13] <seb128> brb, moving back home
[09:27] <seb128> willcooke, it seems like we are missing an "audio-speaker" icon
[09:28] <willcooke> that sounds like it :)
[09:28] <willcooke> audio-speaker*s*
[09:28] <seb128> correct
[09:29] <happyaron> seb128: do you have access to retry it? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2/+build/9730811
[09:29] <seb128> happyaron, done
[09:29] <happyaron> great
[09:29] <willcooke> seb128, we have audio-speakers-bluetooth-symbolic.svg
[09:29] <seb128> willcooke, -symbolic as well
[09:30] <seb128> willcooke, does sudo cp /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/devices/audio-speakers-symbolic.svg /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/devices/audio-speakers.svg
[09:30] <seb128> workaround it?
[09:30] <seb128> (need to restart u-c-c)
[09:31] <willcooke> seb128, I dont have the gnome icon theme
[09:31] <willcooke> but I do have /usr/share/icons/suru/devices/scalable/audio-speakers-bluetooth-symbolic.svg
[09:31] <willcooke> oh
[09:31] <willcooke> maybe /usr/share/icons/suru/devices/scalable/audio-speakers-symbolic.svg is better
[09:31] <seb128> oh
[09:32] <seb128> just cp one of those to /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/devices/audio-speakers.svg
[09:32] <seb128> doesn't matter much what icon it is
[09:32] <seb128> just to see if that's enough to fix it
[09:32] <willcooke> i need to mkdir /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/devices/
[09:32] <willcooke> btw
[09:34] <willcooke> seb128, didnt make any different
[09:34] <seb128> k
[09:34] <seb128> oh, that's probably because the dir is not in the theme index
[09:34] <seb128> since that theme is not installed
[09:35] <seb128> would perhaps work if you copy in the humanity one
[09:35] <seb128> bbiab
[09:38] <willcooke> seb128, fwiw - I installed tweak tool, and if I set the icon theme to Adwaita then it does work
[09:38] <willcooke> the default (Ubuntu-mono-dark) is, I assume where I want to put that icon, rather than Humanity?
[09:40] <andyrock> hey all
[09:40] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[09:41] <willcooke> seb128, oh, I think when you said change to Adwaita you meant the icon theme, not the gtk+ theme :)  sorry
[09:42] <willcooke> so yeah, if I do that then it work
[09:42] <willcooke> s
[10:00]  * Sweet5hark fighting with vpns and stuff
[10:36] <willcooke> seb128, sort of fixed
[10:37] <willcooke> seb128, copied the svg from Adaw. to Humanity
[10:38] <willcooke> sym linked it in all the devices sub dirs (22, 48, 64 etc etc)
[10:38] <willcooke> as "audio-speakers.svg"
[10:38] <willcooke> rebuilt the cahe
[10:38] <willcooke> can haz icon
[10:39] <Sweet5hark> *grmbl* building LibreOffice 5.2 alpha1: - using upstream bundled boost - using upstream bundled orcus => orcus builds b0rks on "this boost header is deprecated"
[10:39] <Sweet5hark> *grumble*
[10:40] <xnox> Sweet5hark, it probably bombed out elsewhere the deprecated headers usually are not a problem.
[10:45] <Sweet5hark> xnox: hmm, indeed.
[10:46] <Sweet5hark> xnox: seems like the "dot doesnt know which formats it can speak in snapcraft"-issue ...
[10:48]  * Sweet5hark adds "sudo dot -c" to snapcraft build. always a good idea ...
[10:57] <willcooke> andyrock, hey!  Are you blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1574759 ?
[10:57] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1506744
[10:57] <andyrock> willcooke: yep
[10:57] <andyrock> i'm working on libunity side now
[10:57] <willcooke> andyrock, oki, desrt are you able to see if you can help andyrock out with that one at all? ^
[10:58] <andyrock> for gnome-menus a simple timeout fix that
[10:58] <andyrock> libunity uses a cache system and i'm trying to figure out how to workaround it without breaking api
[11:01] <desrt> andyrock: did you get past the gmenu issue?
[11:01] <desrt> gnome menus, rather
[11:01] <andyrock> desrt: yep a simple timeout makes it work
[11:01] <andyrock> but libunity is using is hown cache
[11:01] <andyrock> *own
[11:01] <desrt> so this is unrelated brokeness now?
[11:02] <andyrock> yep
[11:02] <desrt> ah... and same problem i guess
[11:02] <andyrock> indeed
[11:02] <andyrock> but not so easy to fix
[11:02] <desrt> would the glib patch help?
[11:02] <andyrock> i think so
[11:04] <andyrock> but I'm trying to workaround it
[11:04] <andyrock> i'm sure a timeout in libunity is enough
[11:05] <andyrock> but still not sure where to put without impacting performances
[11:14] <seb128> willcooke, try to see if tiheum can help us and make an icon for "audio-speakers"?
[11:16] <seb128> pitti, so yeah, " /sys/class/drm/card0-LVDS-1/enabled:enabled" as expected
[11:16] <pitti> seb128: yes, just saw
[11:17] <seb128> let's see if he tries without usd
[11:22] <willcooke> seb128, @ icon - done
[11:22] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[11:22] <willcooke> hopefully we can get a new new one
[11:23] <seb128> if not we can probably workaround
[11:23] <seb128> like use one from the sound panel
[11:29] <willcooke> good plan
[11:34] <willcooke> desrt, please could you see if you can help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1503758 as well
[11:34] <willcooke> trying to work out what's causing the seg fault, right seb128 ?
[11:37] <seb128> yeah
[11:37] <seb128> it's likely that the device goes away while being configured
[11:37] <seb128> the oem team is hitting that one on a specific config
[11:37] <seb128> seems the display disconnect/reconnect when its config is changed
[11:38] <seb128> in any case u-s-d shouldn't segfault in those case, maybe some callback not disconnected when the device is going away?
[11:38] <seb128> or the xerror should be trapped/dealt with
[11:54] <willcooke> going for some excercise for the first time in..... too long
[11:55] <willcooke> pray for my safe return
[11:55] <Laney> what kind of exercise?
[11:55] <Laney> tell me it's a jog to the greasy spoon
[11:56] <willcooke> it'll be a walk to the driving range
[11:56] <willcooke> and then beat up some golf balls
[11:56] <willcooke> then a scotch egg
[11:56] <davmor2> Laney: well he needs the carbohydrates
[11:56] <willcooke> couple of ciggies
[11:56] <willcooke> home!
[11:56] <seb128> willcooke, enjoy!
[11:56] <Laney> nice
[11:56] <Laney> and then you can reward yourself with a dripping sandwich
[11:57] <Laney> OMFG
[11:57] <Laney> I just searched on DDG for "dripping sandwich" to get a picture of one
[11:57] <Laney> apparently this term has been used in porn
[11:57] <willcooke> and with that, away!
[11:57]  * Laney dies
[12:40] <desrt> willcooke: just about to board a flight
[13:09] <willcooke> back
[13:09] <willcooke> desrt, nw - later in the week perhaps
[13:09] <willcooke> desrt, safe travels
[13:09] <seb128> willcooke, wb! how was the exercice?
[13:10] <willcooke> seb128, good!  I feel fitter already!
[13:10] <willcooke> getting out of the house and in to the sunshine is a wonderful thing
[13:10] <Laney> happier
[13:10] <seb128> great!
[13:10] <Laney> more productive
[13:10] <seb128> yeah
[13:10] <pitti> wow, sunshine, *want*
[13:10] <seb128> in the u.k?
[13:10] <seb128> they are lying!
[13:10] <willcooke> thermometer says 27, but its in direct sun
[13:10] <Laney> it's nice today
[13:11] <willcooke> Summer 2.0
[13:11] <seb128> here as well actually
[13:11] <seb128> the forecast moved a bit but they still say that saturday is going to be cold
[13:11] <pitti> I'm hoping for the weekend, we'll do a rafting tour on Sunday
[13:12] <seb128> I hope you still get a sunny day for that!
[13:13] <Trevinho> hey Laney do you remember about this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/gnome-session/upstart-export-variables/+merge/293236 ?
[13:15] <Laney> sure
[13:29]  * Trevinho has to keep a list of things to SRU too
[13:32] <Laney> trellooooooooooooo
[13:36]  * seb128 likes the sound of SRUs
[13:36] <seb128> speaking of which
[13:36] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, i already was doing that
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, I guess you didn't have a slot of the upower issue yet?
[13:37] <seb128> Laney, attente, who of you is going to handle the next g-s SRU? we should get going with that
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: not yet, sorry; doing some urgent postgresql SRUs, and I've spent two hours on SRU review/cleanup so far
[13:37] <pitti> not many people are reviewing SRUs these days :/
[13:38] <seb128> pitti, no worry, good luck with postgresql!
[13:38] <Laney> it's not going to be me
[13:38] <Laney> robert_ancell or attent_e
[13:38] <seb128> Laney, ok, so I guess it makes attent_e in charge
[13:38] <seb128> which means we are probably not going to get the stable update :p
[13:39] <Laney> he's in charge anyway
[13:39] <seb128> not going to bother him during the sprint
[13:39] <seb128> I guess that put us for next week :-/
[13:40] <Laney> I wouldn't be slanty face about it
[13:40] <Laney> it would take somebody else the rest of the week and more to figure out the update themselves
[13:40] <Laney> he's already got the branch updated
[13:41] <Laney> Trevinho: if you want to SRU this gnome-session and upstart stuff then could you make the bug SRU compliant?
[13:41] <Laney> could upload g-s at the same time
[13:42] <seb128> Laney, right, it has some issues but the main one (notification) is probably not addressed by the rebase anyway so needs some more work before upload
[13:42] <Laney> wtf
[13:42] <Laney> I keep doing bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/...
[13:42] <Laney> cd ubuntu
[13:42] <Laney> bzr branch lp:~branch-to-sponsor
[13:42] <Laney> instead of bzr merge
[13:42] <Laney> done it like 4 times in the last week
[13:42] <seb128> where is that coming from? ;-)
[13:42] <Laney> I forgot how to bzr?!?!?!
[13:43] <seb128> git g-s workflow?
[13:43] <seb128> though you would checkout to change branch
[13:43] <Laney> weird
[13:47] <Trevinho> Laney: sure
[13:48] <Trevinho> Laney: do we also need new branches for SRU? As I'm unsure how upstart is managed
[13:49] <Trevinho> we also have to include https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/upstart/activation-proper-dbus-path/+merge/294025 but I'm waiting xnox to merge to Y before
[13:51]  * happyaron is forgetting bzr and goes git on LP for NM
[13:53] <seb128> happyaron, let us know how it works for you!
[13:53] <Laney> Trevinho: You could do if you want, currently the package uses lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/upstart/ubuntu
[13:53] <Laney> could make ubuntu-xenial for 16.04
[13:53] <Laney> if you fix Vcs-Bzr in debian/control at the same time
[13:54] <Trevinho> I'm not much familiar into that vcs-bzr thing,  but I can have a look at it
[13:54] <Laney> branch the tag that X released with
[13:54] <Laney> cherry-pick the things from ^ branch
[13:54] <Laney> write changelog
[13:54] <Laney> fix Vcs-Bzr
[13:54] <Laney> ask for sponsorship
[13:54] <Laney> ???
[13:54] <Laney> profit
[14:02] <willcooke> seb128, Laney  - do you know... are rejected uploads still held somewhere so they can be resurrected?
[14:02] <seb128> Laney, easy review if you could do it, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-control-center/bluetooth-leftover-button/+merge/294508 ?
[14:03] <Laney> willcooke: there's a rejected queue
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, yes, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue
[14:03] <willcooke> tkamppeter, ^
[14:03] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[14:03] <seb128> change the combo
[14:03] <Laney> Trevinho: hmm
[14:03] <Laney> did you measure how long this dbus call takes?
[14:03] <willcooke> seb128, thanks for the BT Browse fix
[14:03] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[14:03] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, no... is it causing any loop?
[14:04] <Laney> Trevinho: dunno, I just tried it and it "felt" longer
[14:04] <Laney> I wonder if it is a non trivial amount
[14:04] <Laney> I was looking for problems though so might be false
[14:04] <Trevinho> Laney: did you try on command line or using that g-s branch?
[14:04] <Trevinho> we could move it to be async if we are worried of that
[14:05] <Laney> branch
[14:05] <Laney> I dunno, I could have made it up
[14:08] <Trevinho> Laney: you can also indirectly test it by manually calliing dbus call --session --dest org.gnome.SessionManager --object-path /org/gnome/SessionManager --method org.gnome.SessionManager.Setenv
[14:08] <Trevinho> with the patch or without... So we can have numbers
[14:11] <Laney> nod
[14:12] <Laney> I have it ready to upload once you find out
[14:13] <Laney> pitti: thanks for your SRU work!
[14:13]  * Laney is getting all the emails
[14:13] <pitti> Laney: yw; there was some much-needed cleanup of old releases, and apparently xenial reviews are underloved too :/
[14:13] <Laney> it was mainly arges doing reviews before now
[14:14] <Laney> not sure if that changed lately
[14:17] <seb128> yeah, would be nice to have some more people doing SRU reviews
[14:17] <seb128> same with MIR, NEW, etc
[14:18] <seb128> nothing new there :-/
[14:18] <Laney> seb128: you know that time you allocated to do TB work?
[14:18] <Laney> :) :) :) :)
[14:18] <Laney> (: (: (: (:
[14:18] <seb128> yeah, that's back when I was motivated
[14:18] <seb128> before being rejected
[14:18] <seb128> :p
[14:20] <Laney> nothing more motivating than reviewing stable release updates
[14:20]  * Laney is campaign manager for "seb128 for ~ubuntu-sru 2016"
[14:21] <seb128> lol
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, joke aside I tried that once
[14:22] <seb128> I proposed to help/asked on IRC
[14:22] <seb128> just got ignored
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: oh, what? please do!
[14:24] <seb128> pitti, well, as said I tried, but seems there is no formal process and the current team had no interested
[14:24] <seb128> -ed
[14:25] <pitti> there is hardly a "team" right now; you have to nag people on IRC, or sometimes I pluck up courage and do a round, but we don't have a formal roster any more
[14:25] <seb128> but yeah, maybe I should considered asking again
[14:26] <pitti> infinity and slangasek are admins
[14:26] <seb128> pitti, thanks for the work you are doing on those btw!
[14:26]  * pitti hugs seb128 and Laney  :)
[14:27]  * seb128 hugs pitti & Laney
[14:28]  * Laney hugs seb128 and pitti 
[14:28]  * Laney whispers "pitti for ~ubuntu-sru admin"
[14:29] <Laney> those teams feel a bit closed
[14:29]  * Laney goes back to pagerduty instead of complaining about this any more
[14:30] <seb128> yeah, it's like TB, it feels like that if you are no part of some circles you are never going to make it into those...
[14:30] <pitti> ZE CABAL!
[14:30] <seb128> though the TB is a vote, so different
[14:31] <seb128> but we tend to have the same people involved in the decisions so it goes round
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: apparently you didn't hand out enough gummybears, or free CDs or something
[14:32] <seb128> yeah, I blame Laney, he was my compaign manager for that one as well!
[14:33] <pitti> fire him
[14:33]  * Laney is a secret agent of the foundations team
[14:34] <seb128> Laney is on a master plan to join foundations and move on the safe side of things in UOS
[14:34] <pitti> /msg Laney you were not suppposed to say that in a public channel; you just lost your business class and SRU review priority privileges
[14:35] <Laney> there goes my free trips on canonical one
[14:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for correcting me about Brasero. (According to LP, version 3.12.1-1ubuntu2 was published as late as April 8 - possibly that's what confused me.)
[14:37] <GunnarHj> For which universe packages is it appropriate to use "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes"?
[14:37] <seb128> GunnarHj, any that we want to be translated with langpacks
[14:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure. ;) And those are...? (I suppose we don't want to spam LP's translation interface.)
[14:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't really have an answer to that, any desktop software is fine, brasero can use it
[14:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[14:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, I think somebody had a look back then, even if that was activated for all package in universe it wouldn't be an issue, there are not that many packages using gettext/domain translations
[14:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: As regards enabling it in Xenial for Brasero, a full langpack build is planned to happen on June 26.
[14:43] <seb128> speaking of which...
[14:43] <seb128> is that the first xenial langpack update planned?
[14:43] <seb128> we should perhaps have one sooner to fix evolution&co
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, ^
[14:44] <seb128> opinion?
[14:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[14:46] <GunnarHj> seb128, pitti: We could of course add an update before that, but since I'm going to bother the translators with an ubuntu-docs SRU, I was disinclinded to propose that.
[15:00] <pitti> seb128, GunnarHj: I don't mind either way; uploading an update is easy; verifying it is work
[15:06] <seb128> Laney, thanks for the review!
[15:06] <Laney> no probs
[15:08] <ximion> Laney: who do I need to bribe so Ubuntu is updating PackageKit on Yakkety?
[15:09] <ximion> that ancient version has bugs (recently broke Samba in Xenial), and also makes the life of Kubuntu people miserable due to a version mismatch between QPK and PK
[15:16] <Laney> ximion: It's on the plan but it is some work so you'll have to be patient
[15:16] <ximion> Laney: okay, thanks - with a reply like that I am happy already ^^
[15:21] <willcooke> ximion, please feel free to pay bribes though
[15:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: What issue does "fix evolution&co" refer to?
[15:22] <ximion> :D
[15:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, bug #1545212
[15:24] <seb128> GunnarHj, due to a but in langpack-o-matic evolution is not translated in xenial
[15:24] <seb128> the .mo are missing from the release langpacks
[15:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Do you know if  an ordinary langpack update (not -base) would be sufficient?
[15:35] <seb128> I don't sorry
[15:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: I'll try to check...
[15:36] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks
[15:50] <GunnarHj> seb128, pitti: Don't find anything evolution in the latest PPA langpacks, so I suppose that a full language pack update is required to have the evolution .mo files installed. Considering the ubuntu-docs SRU I mentioned, which was triggered by e.g. the late "Software" -> "Ubuntu Software" change, I would really suggest that we don't add another full langpack update before the one I mentioned on June 26.
[15:51] <GunnarHj> seb128, pitti: Let's work towards 16.04.1 in this respect.
[15:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, ok, it means LTS users are let without evolution translated for a while :-/
[15:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah, if you accept my view, I'm afraid so.
[15:53] <seb128> I'm pondering doing an evolution upload without langpacks then
[15:54] <seb128> but we have some ubuntu specific strings that wouldn't be translated in that case
[15:54] <GunnarHj> seb128: That's one option. Or maybe pitti can figure out some other "special".
[16:35] <Trevinho> Laney: these are my numbers: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16377806/
[16:45] <willcooke> seb128,  do you have /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/24x24/devices/audio-speakers.png
[16:47] <seb128> willcooke, no, is that one that you manually copied?
[16:48] <Laney> Trevinho: hmm, what do you think?
[16:48] <willcooke> tiheum, is that icon on 14.04?
[16:48] <willcooke> I wonder if we lost it in 16.04 some how
[16:48] <seb128> willcooke, adwaita is the GNOME theme
[16:48] <seb128> we don't use it
[16:48] <willcooke> seb128, just looking for an icon to use.  tiheum suggested we use the Adwa. one, but I dont have it
[16:49] <seb128> oh
[16:49] <seb128> /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/24x24/devices/audio-speakers.png 	adwaita-icon-theme-full
[16:49] <seb128> willcooke, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=audio-speakers.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any
[16:49] <seb128> is your friend
[16:49] <seb128> it's in adwaita-icon-theme-full
[16:49] <willcooke> ohhhhhhhhhh
[16:49] <willcooke> nice
[16:49] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[16:49] <willcooke> I was just googling it :)
[16:50] <seb128> bah
[16:50] <seb128> ok, it's easy to fix
[16:50] <seb128> the -full split is to not have too much space used by icon on the iso
[16:51] <seb128> we just need to move audio-speaker to the non full version
[16:51] <willcooke> in Adwaita?  So it will fall back to using it?
[16:52] <seb128> yes
[16:52] <willcooke> nice
[16:52] <seb128> willcooke, see /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-light/index.theme
[16:52] <seb128> Inherits=Humanity,Adwaita,hicolor
[16:52] <willcooke> ahh
[16:52] <willcooke> got it
[16:52] <seb128> so it looks into those
[16:54] <seb128> willcooke, ifyou want to fix that, get adwaita-icon-theme and change debian/not-in-humanity.txt to list that icon
[16:54] <seb128> + changelog update
[16:55] <seb128> but don't bother, I can do that
[16:55] <willcooke> sure? I can
[16:55] <seb128> willcooke, you can install adwaita-icon-theme-full though to test, since it provides the icon
[16:55] <seb128> that should fix the ui
[16:55] <willcooke> will do...
[16:55] <seb128> thanks
[16:55] <willcooke> unpick my hacks first...
[16:58]  * davmor2 gentle tug on this thread and watches all of willcooke hacks disappear 
[16:58] <willcooke> seb128, confirmed, fixes it
[16:59] <seb128> great
[16:59] <seb128> thanks for confirming
[17:04]  * willcooke is helping at Beavers tonight
[17:04] <willcooke> so gotta shoot off
[17:04] <willcooke> bbl I expect to finish the JDs
[17:10] <Laney> night
[17:12] <mhall119> Laney: seb128: is there some special environment variable or something that tells GEdit to not use it's Headerbar?
[17:22] <Trevinho> mhall119: it should use a gtk-setting: gtk-shell-shows-app-menu
[17:22] <Sweet5hark> woha, be careful out there!
[17:23] <Sweet5hark> pitti is out with an axe killing zombie uploads in precise!
[17:30] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, well... about those numbers I think there's nothing wrong,,
[17:55] <Sweet5hark> seb128: https://plus.google.com/101094190333184858950/posts/2ehJvvHv8Ue
[17:55]  * Sweet5hark s fingers slipped.
[18:35] <mhall119> Trevinho: where is that setting?
[18:39] <Trevinho> mhall119: is managed by unity-setttings-daemon, but you should be able to override that using a settings.ini file as described by https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.html#GtkSettings.description
[18:43] <mhall119> Trevinho: hmmm, should unity-settings-daemon manage it in a unity 8 session too?
[18:43] <seb128> there is no *x*settings under a non-X session
[18:44] <seb128> which is what u-s-d does
[18:44] <mhall119> seb128: I just got to that part of the link Trevinho sent, it's starting to make sense now
[18:44] <mhall119> "sense" in the "why was the display serving doing this in the first place" way anyway
[19:05] <mhall119> Trevinho: setting gtk-shell-shows-app-menu doesn't seem to have any affect
[19:07] <mhall119> maybe ubuntu-app-test is breaking it
[21:16] <willcooke> hi robert_ancell, night robert_ancell
[21:16] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi bye
[21:16] <willcooke> night all