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kmossHi, everyone.  I'm wondering which desktop environment is best to use for minimizing mouse usage.  Basically, I have decided the mouse is evil, ever since I got a wrist injury.  So I'm looking for good suggestions.01:13
daftykinsperhaps you should try a trackball first01:17
kmossI hate those things01:18
tsimonq2kmoss: i3 is the best I've seen01:18
daftykinsme too, but i had a client who switched after some injury01:19
kmosstsimonq2: never even heard of that one, any particular advantages to it?01:19
Bashing-omkmoss: I like xfce .01:19
daftykinsanything can be keyboard if you learn it well enough01:19
tsimonq2kmoss: it's basically very keyboard-oriented01:20
tsimonq2i3 window manager01:20
tsimonq2https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-super-fast-i3-tiling-window-manager-linux%20 and http://i3wm.org/ might help01:20
JanCthe default unity is pretty good with a keyboard...01:42
daftykinsmost let you alt+F2 -> program -> enter01:43
LambdaComplexkmoss: i3 or bspwm02:29
LambdaComplexor possibly hlwm02:29
kmossSo far I'm watching the videos on i3, I'm loving what I see so far.02:34
kmossanyone know if you can make the terminal windows/vi/emacs transparent in i3?02:34
LambdaComplexprobably, if you have a compositor (like compton) running02:34
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all11:39
lotuspsychjeducasse: did judy come back yet?11:39
ducasselotuspsychje: not that i've seen, but i'm only halfway paying attention :)11:40
lotuspsychjekk :p11:41
lotuspsychjehttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/11:43
lotuspsychjenice article here, also mentions zfs only for servers as you said ducasse11:43
ducassethanks, i'll have a look.11:47
BluesKajHiyas all12:00
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj12:00
BluesKajhey lotuspsychje12:01
pauljwHi everyone12:12
BluesKajhi pauljw12:13
pauljwhey BluesKaj12:14
lotuspsychjehi pauljw12:15
lotuspsychjewelcome akik12:15
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pauljwhi lotuspsychje12:15
lotuspsychjehttp://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-in-your-car-movement-gains-momentum/#ftag=RSSbaffb6812:19
lotuspsychjefasten your seatbelts lol12:19
pauljw:)12:22
EriC^^hi lotuspsychje12:42
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^12:42
OerHeksi am back :-)12:43
lotuspsychjewb OerHeks12:43
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: LP fixxed?12:44
OerHekslotuspsychje, almost all sites indeed!12:44
lotuspsychjegreat12:44
OerHeksyou wicked fixer!12:44
lotuspsychjelol12:44
BluesKajhey OerHeks12:45
OerHekshi BluesKaj12:46
OerHeksnot sure what went wrong, or how it got reset12:46
lotuspsychjehttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-driver-change&num=112:47
OerHeksall i know is that my yubikey is now EOL, and i use an other OTP now.12:47
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: your back that matters :p12:47
OerHeksyou are my favorite resetter, grinn12:48
lotuspsychjehehe12:48
BluesKajhope it doesn't need pulseaudio for flash/web audio linkage to alsa like other audio drivers do12:53
lotuspsychjealot of stuff changing12:53
lotuspsychjedriverwise12:53
BluesKajplatform agnostic code sounds workable tho ....I think12:54
lotuspsychjenice article, posted earlier: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/12:55
lotuspsychjeexplaining the snap part well12:55
lotuspsychje_oO13:35
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lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-11-delayed-by-a-week-work-on-ota-12-should-start-soon-503970.shtml14:34
lotuspsychje\9: welcome14:47
\9hi14:47
dbz2khi14:47
lotuspsychje\9: we share some ubuntu articles and recent news here, to be able to help best in main14:47
lotuspsychjedbz2k: hello14:48
\9ah, cool14:48
OerHekssome new users help old users, anything can happen here14:49
OerHeks!coffee14:49
lotuspsychjecheers OerHeks14:50
lotuspsychjehttp://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-long-will-desktop-linux-last.html14:51
lotuspsychjeanother lame article that says linux will vanish lol14:51
\9I've only seen linux desktop grow, there's new desktops in an IT class in our uni and they all run Kubuntu14:54
\9or at least KDE. I think it's Kubuntu14:55
lotuspsychje\9: we found an article yesterday, italian military dropped ms office for libreoffice, saves them 26 million euros..14:55
lotuspsychje\9: nice114:55
\9yeah I've never understood how MS office has a market when there's a free alternative14:55
tgm4883\9: because it costs money to switch14:56
tgm4883\9: because by the time people reach working age they've already been taught office (which bring s it back to point #1)14:57
\9ah, right14:57
lotuspsychjewell if you can save 26 million, i think you can handle the converting price aswell :p14:57
HesulanI can't remember where, but the other day I read a good article that pretty much summed up Linux on desktops. IIRC, it said something along the lines of: Since those of us who develop Linux do so primarily for their own use rather than as a product to sell to a consumer, we don't really care if *everyone* uses it - only that *we* are able to. Having more end-users only provides indirect benefit to us through14:57
Hesulanbug reports, etc. So it's never been a huge priority.14:57
tgm4883lotuspsychje: how many employees?14:58
lotuspsychjetgm4883: not sure, lemme refind the url14:58
lotuspsychjetgm4883: http://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml14:58
\9yeah Linux desktop has always been a niche and likely always will be14:58
\9nothing wrong with that IMO14:58
tgm4883so 100,00014:59
tgm4883somethings not quite right with that math14:59
tgm4883office doesn't cost 260/user15:00
lotuspsychjedepends wich office?15:01
lotuspsychjei know a person got ripped off from a pc store for 500$ for MS office full package15:02
tgm4883lotuspsychje: no, it really doesn't. You get huge discounts for buying 100,000 seats15:02
lotuspsychjetrue15:02
tgm4883hell, you get huge discounts buying 1,000 seats15:02
lotuspsychjebut we dont know the full story perhaps from the military15:03
lotuspsychjeanyway a lot of .gov and big companys have moved to linux15:03
lotuspsychjeits a good thing15:03
tgm4883oh I agree, it's a good thing15:03
tgm4883I just find some of the numbers a bit, interesting15:04
lotuspsychjeyeah lol15:04
lotuspsychjeperhaps some of the ammount $$$ will fall off the boat somewhere15:04
lotuspsychjewb BluesKaj15:52
BluesKajthanks lotuspsychje ,installed kodi, but it crashes after a few mins15:53
lotuspsychjeoh15:54
BluesKajfreezes everything15:54
BluesKajnot running the nvidia driver due to a kernel module error with it.15:55
daftykinsmmm Kodi will most likely not run on nouveau15:59
daftykinsit needs proper OpenGL acceleration15:59
lotuspsychjeah15:59
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: cant you load another driver?15:59
daftykinsolder version number or something?16:00
lotuspsychjesudo ubuntu-drivers list16:01
BluesKajdaftykins:  I tried the driver with both 3.1 and 2.0 opengl , but it was a mess . flickering , crashing wallpapaer below the panel etc16:02
daftykinsis that on a 16.04 install? what's the card?16:02
lotuspsychjeand driver version?16:02
BluesKajnvidia-340 is a problem on yakkety16:02
lotuspsychjeah your on 16.10?16:03
BluesKajnouveau works well with xrender most of the time16:03
OerHeksBluesKaj, missing linux-headers-generic ??16:03
lotuspsychjei think stuff wil get fixxed when yakkety moves to 4.6 kernel also16:04
lotuspsychjedax: did you see ducasse 's sugestion for zfs?16:04
BluesKajOerHeks:  headers are installed16:05
OerHeks:-(16:05
daxlotuspsychje: zfs stuff is probably best off going to another op, i don't know anything about it or support it :c16:05
lotuspsychjedax: ok thank you, can you talk about it in ops perhaps?16:05
lotuspsychjedax: also EriC^^ mentioned the ubottu bug still open for abuse16:06
daxdo a factoid suggestion (/msg ubottu !no, zfs is <reply> factoid text goes here) and see if someone else from -ops pops up16:06
daxbug thing is a Pici thing16:06
lotuspsychjeducasse: for you ^16:07
ducasseok, i'll do it rsn.16:08
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: highlight pici for the echo ubottu bug :p16:08
EriC^^ok :p16:08
ducasselotuspsychje: zfs suggestion is sent.16:15
lotuspsychjeducasse: great16:16
lotuspsychjeevening baizon16:57
lotuspsychjebbl guys dinner17:13
DaniKittenHi20:43
DaniKittenI found a way for still using Ubuntu on my slow netbook: using almost only true CLI20:43
daftykins*facepalm*21:03
Bashing-omdaftykins: Beats head {DaniKitten} on desk .... hard .21:06
daftykins:)21:06
daftykinsBashing-om: only in the most pleasant and polite way!21:06
Bashing-omYeah, otherwise - we become the guilty . I have a soft conscious .21:08

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