[01:13] Hi, everyone. I'm wondering which desktop environment is best to use for minimizing mouse usage. Basically, I have decided the mouse is evil, ever since I got a wrist injury. So I'm looking for good suggestions. [01:17] perhaps you should try a trackball first [01:18] I hate those things [01:18] kmoss: i3 is the best I've seen [01:19] me too, but i had a client who switched after some injury [01:19] tsimonq2: never even heard of that one, any particular advantages to it? [01:19] kmoss: I like xfce . [01:19] anything can be keyboard if you learn it well enough [01:20] kmoss: it's basically very keyboard-oriented [01:20] i3 window manager [01:20] https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-super-fast-i3-tiling-window-manager-linux%20 and http://i3wm.org/ might help [01:42] the default unity is pretty good with a keyboard... [01:43] most let you alt+F2 -> program -> enter [02:29] kmoss: i3 or bspwm [02:29] or possibly hlwm [02:34] So far I'm watching the videos on i3, I'm loving what I see so far. [02:34] anyone know if you can make the terminal windows/vi/emacs transparent in i3? [02:34] probably, if you have a compositor (like compton) running [11:39] good afternoon to all [11:39] ducasse: did judy come back yet? [11:40] lotuspsychje: not that i've seen, but i'm only halfway paying attention :) [11:41] kk :p [11:43] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/ [11:43] nice article here, also mentions zfs only for servers as you said ducasse [11:47] thanks, i'll have a look. [12:00] Hiyas all [12:00] hey BluesKaj [12:01] hey lotuspsychje [12:12] Hi everyone [12:13] hi pauljw [12:14] hey BluesKaj [12:15] hi pauljw [12:15] welcome akik === Guest40241 is now known as knolle [12:15] hi lotuspsychje [12:19] http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-in-your-car-movement-gains-momentum/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [12:19] fasten your seatbelts lol [12:22] :) [12:42] hi lotuspsychje [12:42] hey EriC^^ [12:43] i am back :-) [12:43] wb OerHeks [12:44] OerHeks: LP fixxed? [12:44] lotuspsychje, almost all sites indeed! [12:44] great [12:44] you wicked fixer! [12:44] lol [12:45] hey OerHeks [12:46] hi BluesKaj [12:46] not sure what went wrong, or how it got reset [12:47] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-driver-change&num=1 [12:47] all i know is that my yubikey is now EOL, and i use an other OTP now. [12:47] OerHeks: your back that matters :p [12:48] you are my favorite resetter, grinn [12:48] hehe [12:53] hope it doesn't need pulseaudio for flash/web audio linkage to alsa like other audio drivers do [12:53] alot of stuff changing [12:53] driverwise [12:54] platform agnostic code sounds workable tho ....I think [12:55] nice article, posted earlier: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/ [12:55] explaining the snap part well [13:35] oO === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje === JanC is now known as Guest15251 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [14:34] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-11-delayed-by-a-week-work-on-ota-12-should-start-soon-503970.shtml [14:47] \9: welcome [14:47] <\9> hi [14:47] hi [14:47] \9: we share some ubuntu articles and recent news here, to be able to help best in main [14:48] dbz2k: hello [14:48] <\9> ah, cool [14:49] some new users help old users, anything can happen here [14:49] !coffee [14:50] cheers OerHeks [14:51] http://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-long-will-desktop-linux-last.html [14:51] another lame article that says linux will vanish lol [14:54] <\9> I've only seen linux desktop grow, there's new desktops in an IT class in our uni and they all run Kubuntu [14:55] <\9> or at least KDE. I think it's Kubuntu [14:55] \9: we found an article yesterday, italian military dropped ms office for libreoffice, saves them 26 million euros.. [14:55] \9: nice1 [14:55] <\9> yeah I've never understood how MS office has a market when there's a free alternative [14:56] \9: because it costs money to switch [14:57] \9: because by the time people reach working age they've already been taught office (which bring s it back to point #1) [14:57] <\9> ah, right [14:57] well if you can save 26 million, i think you can handle the converting price aswell :p [14:57] I can't remember where, but the other day I read a good article that pretty much summed up Linux on desktops. IIRC, it said something along the lines of: Since those of us who develop Linux do so primarily for their own use rather than as a product to sell to a consumer, we don't really care if *everyone* uses it - only that *we* are able to. Having more end-users only provides indirect benefit to us through [14:57] bug reports, etc. So it's never been a huge priority. [14:58] lotuspsychje: how many employees? [14:58] tgm4883: not sure, lemme refind the url [14:58] tgm4883: http://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml [14:58] <\9> yeah Linux desktop has always been a niche and likely always will be [14:58] <\9> nothing wrong with that IMO [14:59] so 100,000 [14:59] somethings not quite right with that math [15:00] office doesn't cost 260/user [15:01] depends wich office? [15:02] i know a person got ripped off from a pc store for 500$ for MS office full package [15:02] lotuspsychje: no, it really doesn't. You get huge discounts for buying 100,000 seats [15:02] true [15:02] hell, you get huge discounts buying 1,000 seats [15:03] but we dont know the full story perhaps from the military [15:03] anyway a lot of .gov and big companys have moved to linux [15:03] its a good thing [15:03] oh I agree, it's a good thing [15:04] I just find some of the numbers a bit, interesting [15:04] yeah lol [15:04] perhaps some of the ammount $$$ will fall off the boat somewhere [15:52] wb BluesKaj [15:53] thanks lotuspsychje ,installed kodi, but it crashes after a few mins [15:54] oh [15:54] freezes everything [15:55] not running the nvidia driver due to a kernel module error with it. [15:59] mmm Kodi will most likely not run on nouveau [15:59] it needs proper OpenGL acceleration [15:59] ah [15:59] BluesKaj: cant you load another driver? [16:00] older version number or something? [16:01] sudo ubuntu-drivers list [16:02] daftykins: I tried the driver with both 3.1 and 2.0 opengl , but it was a mess . flickering , crashing wallpapaer below the panel etc [16:02] is that on a 16.04 install? what's the card? [16:02] and driver version? [16:02] nvidia-340 is a problem on yakkety [16:03] ah your on 16.10? [16:03] nouveau works well with xrender most of the time [16:03] BluesKaj, missing linux-headers-generic ?? [16:04] i think stuff wil get fixxed when yakkety moves to 4.6 kernel also [16:04] dax: did you see ducasse 's sugestion for zfs? [16:05] OerHeks: headers are installed [16:05] :-( [16:05] lotuspsychje: zfs stuff is probably best off going to another op, i don't know anything about it or support it :c [16:05] dax: ok thank you, can you talk about it in ops perhaps? [16:06] dax: also EriC^^ mentioned the ubottu bug still open for abuse [16:06] do a factoid suggestion (/msg ubottu !no, zfs is factoid text goes here) and see if someone else from -ops pops up [16:06] bug thing is a Pici thing [16:07] ducasse: for you ^ [16:08] ok, i'll do it rsn. [16:08] EriC^^: highlight pici for the echo ubottu bug :p [16:08] ok :p [16:15] lotuspsychje: zfs suggestion is sent. [16:16] ducasse: great [16:57] evening baizon [17:13] bbl guys dinner [20:43] Hi [20:43] I found a way for still using Ubuntu on my slow netbook: using almost only true CLI [21:03] *facepalm* [21:06] daftykins: Beats head {DaniKitten} on desk .... hard . [21:06] :) [21:06] Bashing-om: only in the most pleasant and polite way! [21:08] Yeah, otherwise - we become the guilty . I have a soft conscious .