[01:13] <kmoss> Hi, everyone.  I'm wondering which desktop environment is best to use for minimizing mouse usage.  Basically, I have decided the mouse is evil, ever since I got a wrist injury.  So I'm looking for good suggestions.
[01:17] <daftykins> perhaps you should try a trackball first
[01:18] <kmoss> I hate those things
[01:18] <tsimonq2> kmoss: i3 is the best I've seen
[01:19] <daftykins> me too, but i had a client who switched after some injury
[01:19] <kmoss> tsimonq2: never even heard of that one, any particular advantages to it?
[01:19] <Bashing-om> kmoss: I like xfce .
[01:19] <daftykins> anything can be keyboard if you learn it well enough
[01:20] <tsimonq2> kmoss: it's basically very keyboard-oriented
[01:20] <tsimonq2> i3 window manager
[01:20] <tsimonq2> https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-super-fast-i3-tiling-window-manager-linux%20 and http://i3wm.org/ might help
[01:42] <JanC> the default unity is pretty good with a keyboard...
[01:43] <daftykins> most let you alt+F2 -> program -> enter
[02:29] <LambdaComplex> kmoss: i3 or bspwm
[02:29] <LambdaComplex> or possibly hlwm
[02:34] <kmoss> So far I'm watching the videos on i3, I'm loving what I see so far.
[02:34] <kmoss> anyone know if you can make the terminal windows/vi/emacs transparent in i3?
[02:34] <LambdaComplex> probably, if you have a compositor (like compton) running
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: did judy come back yet?
[11:40] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not that i've seen, but i'm only halfway paying attention :)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> kk :p
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> nice article here, also mentions zfs only for servers as you said ducasse
[11:47] <ducasse> thanks, i'll have a look.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:12] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw
[12:14] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> welcome akik
[12:15] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-linux-in-your-car-movement-gains-momentum/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> fasten your seatbelts lol
[12:22] <pauljw> :)
[12:42] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[12:43] <OerHeks> i am back :-)
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> wb OerHeks
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: LP fixxed?
[12:44] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, almost all sites indeed!
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> great
[12:44] <OerHeks> you wicked fixer!
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:45] <BluesKaj> hey OerHeks
[12:46] <OerHeks> hi BluesKaj
[12:46] <OerHeks> not sure what went wrong, or how it got reset
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-driver-change&num=1
[12:47] <OerHeks> all i know is that my yubikey is now EOL, and i use an other OTP now.
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: your back that matters :p
[12:48] <OerHeks> you are my favorite resetter, grinn
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[12:53] <BluesKaj> hope it doesn't need pulseaudio for flash/web audio linkage to alsa like other audio drivers do
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> alot of stuff changing
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> driverwise
[12:54] <BluesKaj> platform agnostic code sounds workable tho ....I think
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> nice article, posted earlier: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/ubuntu-16-04-proves-even-an-lts-release-can-live-at-linuxs-bleeding-edge/
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> explaining the snap part well
[13:35] <lotuspsychje_> oO
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-11-delayed-by-a-week-work-on-ota-12-should-start-soon-503970.shtml
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> \9: welcome
[14:47] <\9> hi
[14:47] <dbz2k> hi
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> \9: we share some ubuntu articles and recent news here, to be able to help best in main
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> dbz2k: hello
[14:48] <\9> ah, cool
[14:49] <OerHeks> some new users help old users, anything can happen here
[14:49] <OerHeks> !coffee
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> cheers OerHeks
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/how-long-will-desktop-linux-last.html
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> another lame article that says linux will vanish lol
[14:54] <\9> I've only seen linux desktop grow, there's new desktops in an IT class in our uni and they all run Kubuntu
[14:55] <\9> or at least KDE. I think it's Kubuntu
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> \9: we found an article yesterday, italian military dropped ms office for libreoffice, saves them 26 million euros..
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> \9: nice1
[14:55] <\9> yeah I've never understood how MS office has a market when there's a free alternative
[14:56] <tgm4883> \9: because it costs money to switch
[14:57] <tgm4883> \9: because by the time people reach working age they've already been taught office (which bring s it back to point #1)
[14:57] <\9> ah, right
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> well if you can save 26 million, i think you can handle the converting price aswell :p
[14:57] <Hesulan> I can't remember where, but the other day I read a good article that pretty much summed up Linux on desktops. IIRC, it said something along the lines of: Since those of us who develop Linux do so primarily for their own use rather than as a product to sell to a consumer, we don't really care if *everyone* uses it - only that *we* are able to. Having more end-users only provides indirect benefit to us through
[14:57] <Hesulan> bug reports, etc. So it's never been a huge priority.
[14:58] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: how many employees?
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> tgm4883: not sure, lemme refind the url
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> tgm4883: http://news.softpedia.com/news/italian-military-to-save-up-to-29-million-euro-by-migrating-to-libreoffice-503945.shtml
[14:58] <\9> yeah Linux desktop has always been a niche and likely always will be
[14:58] <\9> nothing wrong with that IMO
[14:59] <tgm4883> so 100,000
[14:59] <tgm4883> somethings not quite right with that math
[15:00] <tgm4883> office doesn't cost 260/user
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> depends wich office?
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> i know a person got ripped off from a pc store for 500$ for MS office full package
[15:02] <tgm4883> lotuspsychje: no, it really doesn't. You get huge discounts for buying 100,000 seats
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> true
[15:02] <tgm4883> hell, you get huge discounts buying 1,000 seats
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> but we dont know the full story perhaps from the military
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> anyway a lot of .gov and big companys have moved to linux
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> its a good thing
[15:03] <tgm4883> oh I agree, it's a good thing
[15:04] <tgm4883> I just find some of the numbers a bit, interesting
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah lol
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> perhaps some of the ammount $$$ will fall off the boat somewhere
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> wb BluesKaj
[15:53] <BluesKaj> thanks lotuspsychje ,installed kodi, but it crashes after a few mins
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:54] <BluesKaj> freezes everything
[15:55] <BluesKaj> not running the nvidia driver due to a kernel module error with it.
[15:59] <daftykins> mmm Kodi will most likely not run on nouveau
[15:59] <daftykins> it needs proper OpenGL acceleration
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> ah
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: cant you load another driver?
[16:00] <daftykins> older version number or something?
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[16:02] <BluesKaj> daftykins:  I tried the driver with both 3.1 and 2.0 opengl , but it was a mess . flickering , crashing wallpapaer below the panel etc
[16:02] <daftykins> is that on a 16.04 install? what's the card?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> and driver version?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> nvidia-340 is a problem on yakkety
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> ah your on 16.10?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> nouveau works well with xrender most of the time
[16:03] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, missing linux-headers-generic ??
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> i think stuff wil get fixxed when yakkety moves to 4.6 kernel also
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> dax: did you see ducasse 's sugestion for zfs?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> OerHeks:  headers are installed
[16:05] <OerHeks> :-(
[16:05] <dax> lotuspsychje: zfs stuff is probably best off going to another op, i don't know anything about it or support it :c
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> dax: ok thank you, can you talk about it in ops perhaps?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> dax: also EriC^^ mentioned the ubottu bug still open for abuse
[16:06] <dax> do a factoid suggestion (/msg ubottu !no, zfs is <reply> factoid text goes here) and see if someone else from -ops pops up
[16:06] <dax> bug thing is a Pici thing
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: for you ^
[16:08] <ducasse> ok, i'll do it rsn.
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: highlight pici for the echo ubottu bug :p
[16:08] <EriC^^> ok :p
[16:15] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: zfs suggestion is sent.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys dinner
[20:43] <DaniKitten> Hi
[20:43] <DaniKitten> I found a way for still using Ubuntu on my slow netbook: using almost only true CLI
[21:03] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[21:06] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Beats head {DaniKitten} on desk .... hard .
[21:06] <daftykins> :)
[21:06] <daftykins> Bashing-om: only in the most pleasant and polite way!
[21:08] <Bashing-om> Yeah, otherwise - we become the guilty . I have a soft conscious .