devster31is IPMI equivalent to remote keyboard-video-mouse?00:46
naccdevster31: IPMI is a protocol00:54
naccwell, a specification of an interface, i guess00:55
naccdevster31: it's more about system management (power, status, inventory) -- or at least that's all you can rely on existing by the standard. Implementations can do other things, I think00:56
naccdevster31: although I think IPMI 2.0 introduced KVM over IPMI and serial console output00:56
naccvia SOL00:56
devster31so for example if I see this: IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support on a mobo spec, does it mean I can use it as IPMI and also as remote kvm?01:08
naccdevster31: give or take how good that mobo's bios support is for IPMI, i suppose so -- i'm not that hw vendor or a hw certifier, though01:35
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connor__I have a server and it was working perfectly until I moved it to different home and connected it to the new router via ethernet. Now it doesn't seem to connect to the internet.02:49
connor__Does anyone have any troubleshooting advice?02:50
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mjmaiseyHi, was just wandering if anyone was triaging bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images ?07:34
mjmaiseyThe process for building cloud images seems to have changed signficantly since Trusty and the current Vagrant image is nigh on unusable (IMO) due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1565985, which has been in undecided/unassigned status for over a month07:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1565985 in cloud-images "vagrant vb ubuntu/xenial64 cannot mount synced folders" [Undecided,New]07:38
mjmaiseyMeanwhile according to stats at https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ubuntu/, approx 25k people per day are downloading the image and presumably having a rather poor experience07:39
mjmaiseyThat relates to the Xenial Vagrant box, by the way07:44
jamespagecoreycb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/158092008:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1580920 in Barbican "unit test execution requires oslo.messaging >= 5.0.0" [Undecided,New]08:44
jamespageCI +++08:44
adacWould you say that also SShH should only be accessibe trough VPN?08:44
adacI'm thinking of moving my server completely behind a VPN08:45
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jamespagecoreycb, ddellav: aodh and ceilometer fixes for newton10:19
jamespagebarbican has an unexpressed minimum version requirement for oslo.messaging - bug raised upstream and noted in description of build records...10:19
jamespagebuild testing cinder fixes now...10:23
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coreycbjamespage, thanks12:27
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coreycbbeisner, when you get a moment, the following are ready to promote to liberty-updates in the UCA:  cinder, neutron, neutron-*aas, and nova12:41
coreycbbug 156950212:41
ubottubug 1569502 in Ubuntu Cloud Archive liberty "[SRU] liberty point releases" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156950212:41
SpacePenguinis there a way to install ubuntu server without a user account (root only)?13:34
SpacePenguini can't find that option in the installer13:34
rbasakI don't remember the installer letting you do that either. You can always delete the user afterwards, or install without the installer.13:35
SpacePenguinok, thanks. i guess i'll have to delete the account after installation..13:36
jamespagecoreycb, this is interesting:13:36
jamespage-cryptography>=1.0 # BSD/Apache-2.013:36
jamespage+cryptography!=1.3.0,>=1.0 # BSD/Apache-2.013:36
jamespagecauses dh-python to barf13:36
jamespagethat's causing build failures for glance, keystone >= xenial13:37
coreycbjamespage, that's strange, 1.3.0 isn't in xenail or yakkety13:37
jamespagecoreycb, no its the formatting of requirements that seems to be the problem13:38
coreycbjamespage, so must be dh_python guessing dependencies doesn't like that for some reason13:38
jamespagenot the specific version13:38
jamespagecoreycb, dh_python is adding != 1.3.0 to the version it generates - not sure why...13:39
coreycbjamespage, that's interesting, must be something new with dh_python because I didn't hit any issues like that in xenial13:41
jamespagecoreycb, think about that :-)13:41
coreycbjamespage, yeah you're hitting it in xenial13:42
jamespagecoreycb, the change in requirements came in since glance released...13:42
jamespageso 1.3.0 has security problems I guess - so upstream excluded it13:42
jamespagedh_python in xenial reacts like this13:42
coreycbjamespage, well right but other projects have != usage is what I'm saying13:42
rbasakOdd_Bloke: FYI, I just filed bug 1581046 and bug 158104413:43
ubottubug 1581046 in cloud-images "No CI for inadvertent conffile modifications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158104613:43
ubottubug 1581044 in cloud-images "Images ship with modified conffiles" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158104413:43
Odd_Blokerbasak: Thanks, taking a look now. :)13:45
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jamespagecoreycb, beisner: do those liberty updates still need shoving out of the door? can do them now13:48
coreycbjamespage,  yes please13:48
jamespagecoreycb, running now - excluding qemu as that's not fix released in distro yet13:51
coreycbjamespage, thanks13:51
jamespagecoreycb, I'll nudge up staging->proposed once these are clear as well13:51
coreycbjamespage, thanks.  for the dh_python, there are other != in glance's requirements.txt too but they don't have any issues.  that is odd.13:54
jamespagecoreycb, yah poking now13:54
devster31hi people, I'm having issues booting the ubuntu-cloud-image vmdk14:05
devster31I downloaded it and imported in virtualbox but it tells me: failure writing sector 0x1a8830 to hd014:06
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jamespagecoreycb, poking at heat now - have a dh-python fix in the pipe as well14:45
coreycbjamespage, awesome, what was the dh-python issue?14:47
jamespagecoreycb, not 100% sure but updating it to never use != as an operator14:47
jamespageit already ignores ==14:47
coreycbjamespage, well that should do it14:47
jamespagecoreycb, https://launchpad.net/~james-page/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+build/9732727 is the test build14:48
jamespagecoreycb, that fix for dh-python worked - I need to checkin with the debian maintainer15:17
jamespagebut we'll prob want to SRU that as well15:17
coreycbjamespage, ok, yes that would be good.15:18
coreycbjamespage, I'll take keystone for newton if you haven't touched that yet15:20
jamespagecoreycb, that will be a bigger piece - its needs the switch to apache wsgi by default15:22
jamespageso thankyou :-)15:22
coreycbjamespage, perfect, I have that done already locally15:22
rbasaksmoser: have you seen bug 1580534? I have a patch for you there.15:40
ubottubug 1580534 in simplestreams (Ubuntu) "Signature verification is too slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158053415:40
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smoserrbasak, what is your system ?15:47
rbasaksmoser: that was on diglett15:47
rbasaksmoser: it should still be reproducible on diglett. My fix is only in a working tree (and I set PYTHONPATH)15:48
lfrlucasHi, I installed ubuntu server 14.04 2 years ago and then kubuntu deskop package16:12
lfrlucasToday I upgraded to 16.04 and I want to remove kubuntu desktop stuff16:12
lfrlucasis it possible to return to ubuntu server packages16:12
lfrlucaswhat is the minimal set of packages that come with ubuntu server16:13
ranticHi everyone, with the introduction of ubuntu server 16.04, if I choose to setup a LAMP stack. What is the difference between install packages such as php, php-xml,php-gd and php7.0,php7.0-xml etc?16:17
ranticit appears the php package is already at php 7.x anyways16:17
sdezielrantic: the packages without 7.0 in their names are virtual packages pulling the real ones (those with 7.0 in their names)16:20
jamespagecoreycb, fixed up swift for newton16:20
coreycbjamespage, awesome. I just pushed nova for mitaka and started to rebuild it in jenkins.16:21
jamespagecoreycb, I can see our two executors are going to be a bottleneck16:21
coreycbjamespage, yeah.. I see it's waiting now16:22
smoserrbasak, pulled. thank you. and verified.16:26
rbasaksmoser: interesting how much better Python 3 is!16:28
rbasaksmoser: I'm happy to drive a Xenial SRU. Shall I do that?16:29
smoseri was surprised at python3 being faster too.16:29
smoserSRU is good. yeah.16:29
ApocopeI'm trying to use Icinga under xenial. I install it and go to $SERVER/icinga and the menu on the left is visible and then disapears. Same thing if I do $SERVER/icinga/menu.html. Can anyone help? Is this the right place to ask?16:35
rbasaksmoser: I prepared an SRU, but I guess we should wait until it's fixed in Yakkety. No major rush, I can work around for now.16:49
smoserrbasak, uploaded simplestreams_0.1.0~bzr430-0ubuntu1.dsc16:57
smoserdanilo was hoping to get srus for the other two bugs in that upload16:58
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bc2946088Anyone around that can help me debug why autopilot fails trying to deploy ceph?  Initially I've been able to deploy but ran into the pg limit which then was causing ceph to fail after openstack was deployed, so I broke down the systems, added another physical node with 3 hard drives, and have now tried to deploy openstack with autopilot and it fails.  http://imgur.com/R8DDt6B17:07
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bc2946088Actually I think it is related this this bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/ceph/+bug/142009417:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1420094 in ceph (Juju Charms Collection) "Ceph install fails by using removable devices" [Medium,Triaged]17:14
bc2946088This particular server has a small drive listed that I removed from maas, hoping to avoid this issue but it still appears to grab all the disks in the machine even if they are removed from maas.17:15
bc2946088It's picking up not a cdrom, but a virtual floppy.  Any work around?17:20
rbasaksmoser: thanks. I uploaded the SRU.17:26
rbasaksmoser: oh, and I just read your next message. Sorry.17:26
rbasaksmoser: I'm EOD. I can ask for a queue reject if you want?17:26
smosernah. i told danilo to write sru text and stuff if he wants to push.17:27
rbasakOK, thanks.17:28
bc2946088If anyone was reading my dilema, I have a feeling I have fixed it.  The virtual drives are controlled by the DRAC, I disabled them in that configuration and believe I'll be able to successfully deploy again.  I just needed to talk to myself for 10 minutes.17:29
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hallynsmb: arges: dude, so the libvirt 1.3.4 merge from debian was just a piece of cake (completely untested, mind  you :) using git cherrypicks from debian's git tree.  yay17:48
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argeshallyn: ah 1.3.3 is in proposed still?17:56
hallynarges: yeah, probably neds some admin love for the new binary packages17:57
hallynhm, odd, for some reason git wants to rewrite a bunch of stuff that should be commone with the sid tree i already uploaded.17:57
argeshmm don't see it in the new queue... looking at excuses17:57
hallyni'm on a hotspot so will have ot wait then17:57
argesyea see lots of regressions http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html wonder if that's blocking it17:58
argesi should probably update libvirt-python17:58
hallynhas debian updated it?17:59
argesyea my name is on the merge for now17:59
hallynah.  but to 1.3.4-1.  i think with 1.3.3-2 they were still on th eold version17:59
trippehheh, bios update broke dmidecode in 16.04. too new smbios.18:00
hallynarges: in fact that's the one testsuite which did not fail right? :)18:00
argeshallyn: yea oddly enough18:01
argeshallyn: do we have a merge bug# for libvirt... miught be useful to track fixing the regressions18:01
hallynyeah someone probably opened one at some point18:01
hallyndpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libvirt-dev_1.3.3-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):18:01
hallyn trying to overwrite '/usr/share/libvirt/api/libvirt-qemu-api.xml', which is also in package libvirt-daemon 1.3.3-2ubuntu118:01
hallynsurprising.  oh feh!  i guess i was testing libvirt-bin upgrades, but not really libvirt-dev18:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1558857 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to latest stable version v1.3.3" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:02
hallynsounds like a bad .install file18:02
hallynarges: well this will suck for branch mgmt, but 2016-05-12/yakkety branch of lp.net/~libvirt-maintainers/ubuntu/+source/libvirt has the new 1.3.4 merge18:03
hallynarges: i'm really happy with how trivial it was.  makes the last merge worthwhile18:03
hallynno really - why the heck is /usr/share/libvirt/api/libvirt-qemu-api.xml in libvirt-daemon ?  not supposed to be18:05
argeshallyn: ok18:05
hallynok what?18:06
hallynin fact our rules file has:18:06
hallyn        # Don't ship api files in the daemon package18:06
hallyn        rm -r debian/tmp/usr/share/libvirt/api/18:06
hallynthat is a bad delta from debian - supposed to be debian/libvirt-daemon/usr/share/libvirt/api/18:06
hallynand there's one other such line18:07
hallynarges: does the last commit in branch ubuntu/yakkety look right to you?18:09
argeshallyn: let me take a look18:09
hallynhang on, git is being retarded18:09
hallynugh it's jus thanging on talking to lp now18:10
hallyni just pushed 5m to another branch 5 minutes ago, so why...18:10
hallynhuh, hangs on18:13
hallyn[pid 23053] connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(22), sin_addr=inet_addr("")}, 1618:13
sdezielhallyn: unable to get there either18:13
hallyni assume it's a dns issue ...  are you going to that ip address, or to git.lp.net?18:14
hallynarges: screw it, i'm just uploading what should be the fix - it's broken in archive anyway, let's see if this fixes it18:15
sdezielhallyn: I tried the IP. There are no a/aaaa for git.lp.net18:15
stgraberstgraber@dakara:~$ host git.launchpad.net18:16
stgrabergit.launchpad.net has address
stgrabergit.launchpad.net has address
stgraberstgraber@dakara:~$ ssh git.launchpad.net18:16
stgraberNo shells on this server.18:16
stgraberConnection to git.launchpad.net closed.18:16
stgraberso does seem to be responding fine here18:16
argeshallyn: sounds good18:16
hallynyeah but at a different address18:16
sdezielworks when lp is expanded :)18:16
sdezielhallyn: seems to be related to search-error.com18:17
hallynstgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16380088/18:17
sdezielI'd check your DNS18:17
hallynsdeziel: gr18:17
bc2946088good lord...  all that and I still don't have enough OSDs -- too many PGs per OSD (337 > max 300)18:19
ogra_why would one want so many on screen displays anyway18:20
bc2946088I wish that was my problem, I could do away with a couple on screen displays, no problem18:22
synchronetwhats happened to php5-curl guys18:30
synchronetcant install it?18:31
bc2946088are you using 16.04?18:31
synchronetyeah, fresh install18:31
synchronet-de and curl fine18:32
bc2946088you've removed php7 and put the ondrej ppa in and installed php5 that way?18:33
synchronetwp sites need it18:33
synchronetmy fault18:33
bc2946088you can just use php-curl I think18:34
bc2946088if you;re actually on 718:34
synchronetthts probaly it18:34
synchronetlet me check18:35
synchronetZend Engine v3.0.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2016 Zend Technologies18:35
synchronet    with Zend OPcache v7.0.6-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2016, by Zend Technologies18:35
bc2946088yeah, zend 3 is php7, 99% anyway18:36
bc2946088try php-curl18:36
synchronetdone that, its ok18:37
synchronetlife is a learning thing18:37
synchronetjust scared of sites breaking if I update clientd18:38
synchronetwill stick with 14.0418:38
synchronetdont like surprises18:38
bc2946088yeah, php5 is quite a leap to php718:38
synchronetslow down guys ;)18:39
bc2946088however, performance gains show it's worth it...18:39
synchronetty you guys18:40
synchronet2019 eol on 14.04 is pretty cool18:41
synchronetretiring soon anyway, things are getting well complicated :)18:41
bc2946088It's funny, synchronet...  Things really are getting easier, but the field is widening, so much rapid development from every angle, more stuff to stay on top of.  Just look at the virtualization platforms, so many to pick from.  Luckily LXC makes the choice easy.  :)19:05
devster31hi again, can anyone help me figure out what I'm doing wrong? I downloaded one of the cloud images from the ubuntu site, the one in vmdk format, I imported it with virtualbox but the boot process stops after random: nonblocking pool is initialized19:22
sarnoldthat happens at more or less random times during the boot process; what happened before that/19:23
devster31it goes very very fast and I don't know how to scroll up, but it seems it's looking for the hardware, searching for raid arrays and logical volumes and it consistently shows up last for me, right after a btrfs message, I'll boot again and copy it19:26
sarnoldshift page-up usually does the trick, but if it's -dead-, that might not do it :)19:27
devster31it works but it keeps going back to the bottom where there is the cursor, the messages before relate to md Btrfs loaded, ahcpi and other hardware19:30
devster31scsi ata and he rest19:31
sarnoldtry ^S first, then the shift page up.. when you're ready to resume, ^Q19:31
coreycbjamespage, nova mitaka is fixed but blocked on the dh-python failure. do you have an sru in progress?19:32
devster31^S doesn't stop the console, and that still isnt' the issue, cause every time it gets stuck at the same point19:33
devster31ok, I managed to create a pipe from the guest to the host with putty, now I can debug19:40
devster31alright, cloud-init is clogging the thing with "network is unreacheable"19:41
hallynarges: so how often does http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html get updated?19:46
stgraberonce a publisher cycle which isn't a particularly fixed amount of time :)19:49
hallynhm k19:49
sarnoldoh: I thought publishers ran on :04 after the huor except around 4am UTC or something similar?19:54
hallynhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html   what does "not considered" mean?20:05
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hallynoh i guess jus tthat testing hasn't started yet20:13
hallynor, just noise :)20:13
argestest is in progress20:17
hallynarges: yeah but those were not showing up yet.20:23
hallynthere was only 'not considered' - which seemed weird20:23
hallynzul: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/ppc64el/n/nova/20160512_193759@/log.gz   ugh, not sure what nova-compute-libvirt is20:29
hallynoh yay, some tests are passing20:31
hallynbig step up20:31
argeslooks like nova aint' doing so good20:33
argesits breaking my python-libvirt upload too20:33
hallynthe failure seemed to be something about libeatmydata20:40
hallynnew dependency needed for nova-compute-libvirt?20:40
hallynpinged zul on it a short while ago ^20:42
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hallynwhat the....21:03
hallynfunction virTypedParamsAddString from /home/ubuntu/libvirt/docs/../include/libvirt/libvirt-common.h redeclared in /home/ubuntu/libvirt/debian/build/docs/../include/lib21:03
zulhallyn: did the libvirt group change?21:18
hallynzul: yeah21:19
zulhallyn: to what?21:19
hallynif it pre-exists then it continues as an alias, but th enew one is 'libvirt21:19
hallynand on new installs libvirtd does not get created21:19
zulhallyn:nova-compute probably needs to be updated then21:20
zulcoreycb: ^^^^21:20
hallynok - so obvious in retrospect :)21:20
hallyni'll take a look tomorrow if need be, but if coreycb can do it that would be awesome21:20
hallyni'm about to run out21:20
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lfrlucasdo you think that changing the list of "apt-mark showmanual" setting only the same packages as a new installed ubuntu, my 3 year old instalation will became clean with the same packages of a new ubuntu instalation?21:27
jayjo_Sorry for off topic question, not sure where to ask this (I will go there if there is better place). Does anyone know how I would go about getting invited to the channel ##security ? I feel like there's a potential for a userbase in this channel21:30
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catbus1Dear Ubuntu Server team, two of Canonical's technology partners encountered an issue with base-installer while they are setting up pxe servers to deploy 16.04. bug 1575652. Can someone please take a look?22:01
ubottubug 1575652 in live-installer (Ubuntu) "PXE install prefixes /cdrom to squashfs location, fails to find it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157565222:01
bindii just installed 16.04 on a hyperv vm (gen2), and used encrypted lvm partinioning, it booted fine, i did updates, and during the updates it said w: mdadm /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays22:13
bindinow it doesnt boot anymore :p22:13
bindiwell i got it into grub somehow22:15
RoyKbindi: do you need md arrays with that vm?22:18
bindino, im gonna test out the setup that im gonna do on a physical box, encrypted root disk and zfs raidz1..22:19
bindibut if this is what's going to happen, kinda scared to do it :p22:19
RoyKthen md isn't even related22:19
RoyKthat message from mdadm is normal22:19
bindiyou sure? i googled and found related problems that made things unbootable22:19
RoyKyes, it's normal22:19
RoyKmost of my systems tell me that22:19
bindiwell it doesnt boot either way (and i've never seen that error before)22:20
sarnoldyou shouldn't be scared to try things in a vm :) that's part of what its there for :)22:20
RoyKmd is just started by default, and gives that warning if it doesn't find any md devs configured22:20
bindino, i'm scared to do it to the physical box22:20
RoyKbindi: it'll probably work fine22:20
bindii haven't even got to try zfs in this vm :p22:20
RoyKmd won't be an issue22:20
bindiit doesnt booooooooot22:21
RoyKzfs might be one, though22:21
bindii ran zfsonlinux on 12.04 :D22:21
RoyKtbh, I've never ran zfs on the root on linux, only on solaris/openindiana22:21
bindii'm not gonna run zfs on root22:21
bindilvm encrypted whatever the installer gives you22:22
sarnoldbindi: if you want to run zfs on root you should check out rlaager's howto22:22
sarnoldoh :)22:22
bindiso, care to help me with the non-booting vm? :P22:22
bindioh now it boots22:22
bindii think it wanted a passphrase for the encrypt but i didnt see anything, i just typed the pw and hit enter and magic happened22:23
sarnoldah that sounds familiar22:23
bindihow complicated does it get if i want to ssh to type that password? :P22:24
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bindifound something22:24
bindimeh cba :D22:24
RoyKssh keys?22:24
sarnoldcatbus1: that's filed against live-installer, are you sure that's the right source package? should it be debian-installer or ubiquity instead?22:26
catbus1sarnold: I think it should be debian-installer. but I was pointed to that bug that Leo and Jeffrey googled to find out.22:27
sarnoldcyphermox: is 1575652 filed against the right thing? is there a better package to blame? :) thanks22:28
naccLP: #157565222:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1575652 in live-installer (Ubuntu) "PXE install prefixes /cdrom to squashfs location, fails to find it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157565222:28
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bindihmm, I found a custom script for handling luks + zfs, how can I start some services after i've ran this script23:10
bindiadd service x start to the script and make them manual (how?)?23:10
bindiecho manual | sudo tee /etc/init/SERVICE.override23:11
bindisounds good yes? :P23:11
sarnoldthat's upstart23:11
sarnoldnot systemd23:11
sarnoldhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers suggests the closest thing to the manual directive is "systemctl disable foo.service"23:12
bindisystemctl disable SERVICE.service and systemctl start SERVICE.service then :p23:12
RoyKit'd be nice with zfs encryption one day :P23:12
bindiimma try it out23:12
sarnoldRoyK: mmm that'd be nice.23:12
RoyKor systemctl stop SERVICE.service23:12
RoyKand systemctl start23:12
RoyKthat is - is luks started before zfs?23:13
RoyKperhaps there's some messup in the systemd config23:13
bindii dont want to run transmission before i've unlocked the drives23:13
bindiit goes apeshit if it runs and doesnt find the files :P23:13
RoyKnot talking about transmission23:14
RoyKbut luks - perhaps zfs tries to start before it23:14
bindiworks :p23:19
bindianother question, can i have the automatic partitioner not make a swap partition?23:24
bindii really think there should be a simple tick box for that, i'd rather not run the whole process by hand23:25
bindiguess i gotta try that in a vm as well :p23:26

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