| === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun | ||
| mithun | hi. i got an aquaris e5 ubuntu touch. its my daily driver. how can i help the community make this thing suck less? | 06:44 |
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| mcphail | mithun: file bug reports, create patches, make apps and scopes, write documentation | 06:58 |
| mithun | thanks mcphail. is there a list somewhere with things other people are thinking? | 06:59 |
| mcphail | mithun: theres a mailing list, and there was talk last week of producing a list of small bugs which could be easily tackled by the community | 07:02 |
| mithun | ah. found it now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute | 07:04 |
| mcphail | Lurking on here can be useful as well | 07:07 |
| === Saviq_ is now known as Saviq | ||
| daniman | Can i externally download a package and install it to my phone, or download from my computer then install it? | 09:02 |
| daniman | is there any mirror? | 09:02 |
| daniman | !mirror | 09:02 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Xenial, and help keeping the servers' load low! | 09:02 |
| popey | daniman: yes, you can | 09:06 |
| daniman | popey: how? is there any doc, sorry i am new for the phone version | 09:07 |
| popey | adb push foo.click /tmp | 09:09 |
| popey | adb shell | 09:09 |
| popey | pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/foo.click | 09:09 |
| popey | Done. | 09:09 |
| daniman | popey: how? | 09:12 |
| popey | how what? | 09:12 |
| popey | oh, you timed out, I typed it above | 09:13 |
| daniman | yeah i was out, light went out lol | 09:13 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16373517/ | 09:13 |
| daniman | popey: i don't think there is adb | 09:14 |
| daniman | there is adbd | 09:14 |
| popey | you run adb on your pc, not the phone | 09:14 |
| popey | to transfer the click to the phone | 09:14 |
| popey | or you could just wget the file directly on the phone and just use pkcon to install it | 09:15 |
| daniman | yeah i got it, but is there adb for the phone | 09:15 |
| daniman | The last time i checked it was adbd | 09:15 |
| * daniman <-- new for the phone | 09:15 | |
| daniman | ok where can i download the packages? | 09:16 |
| daniman | !pkg mirror | 09:23 |
| daniman | !mirror | 09:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Xenial, and help keeping the servers' load low! | 09:23 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| brunch875 | Telegram now takes some time to open up a chat when tapping on a contact (as if it needed internet to do it). Am I the only experiencing this? | 09:38 |
| popey | brunch875: I don't think so. | 09:39 |
| jaywink | yeah noticed as well it drops to the chat list when clicking a notification and takes 2-3 secs to open the chat | 09:39 |
| brunch875 | I'll test it a bit and then file a bug then | 09:40 |
| brunch875 | I think this new behavior is so that it doesn't open an unrefreshed chat | 09:41 |
| brunch875 | It must be a bit of a headache since the notifications aren't entirely synched up with the client | 09:42 |
| brunch875 | Little question: I am on rc-proposed. Am I using a newer version than on stable? Or is the same telegram version rolled on all channels? | 09:48 |
| popey | same version | 09:48 |
| popey | it's a store-shipped click | 09:48 |
| brunch875 | That's good to know! | 09:49 |
| brunch875 | is there a simple way / srcipt to setup public key for phone ssh using adb? | 10:05 |
| brunch875 | something like adb setup-ssh | 10:05 |
| davmor2 | brunch875: phablet-shell | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | brunch875: connect it to a pc enable developer mode and run phablet-shell | 10:13 |
| brunch875 | is it like adb shell? | 10:13 |
| davmor2 | brunch875: it will setup keys and copy them to your phone and pc so you can connect to it from ssh | 10:14 |
| brunch875 | I can't use adb shell because I'm talking here with rndis :Þ | 10:14 |
| brunch875 | Thanks, davmor2 | 10:14 |
| brunch875 | I'll do that at home so that I don't burn 50MB downloading phablet-tools | 10:14 |
| popey | My M10 arrived. It's got a european charger :( | 11:21 |
| davmor2 | popey: :( that sucks | 11:22 |
| davmor2 | popey: nice box though right? | 11:24 |
| seb128 | those thing didn't happen while you were in the E.U | 11:24 |
| seb128 | oh, wait | 11:24 |
| seb128 | :-) | 11:24 |
| Smurphy | popey: it's Ok. I am in Europe :) | 11:24 |
| davmor2 | popey: quick send Smurphy the plug it sounds like he needs it desperately :D | 11:27 |
| brunch875 | popey: How unfortunate. Send it to me, I use european outlets :Þ | 11:27 |
| popey | /join #brexit | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | popey: see loads of people seem desperate for the plug you'll have no issues getting rid of it | 11:28 |
| popey | i notice it ships with OTA 9.5, not 10 or 10.1 | 11:29 |
| popey | Also, can't sign in to U1 - "network error - please retry" | 11:29 |
| popey | nothing wrong with the network | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | popey: bug is fixed it is because you need to add your one time only password | 11:30 |
| popey | wat | 11:30 |
| popey | how? | 11:30 |
| davmor2 | scroll down the page | 11:30 |
| popey | there is no scroll down | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | popey: should be | 11:31 |
| popey | nope | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | have you slid the keyboard down? | 11:32 |
| popey | yes | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | hmm pass then | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | popey: for canonical people the network error was because it tried to connect and failed due to redirect to otp this is fixed in 11 whenever it is released | 11:33 |
| popey | no good for a customer OOBE on 9.5 | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | popey: we don't release it bq do and the factory ran with ota9.5 as that was what was available and new oobe didn't land till 10 hands are tied on that one | 11:35 |
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| popey | davmor2: that issue can't be 2fa btw, I initially tried with a non-canonical account | 11:50 |
| popey | and it also failed | 11:50 |
| davmor2 | popey: oh weird blame JamesTait bound to be his fault | 11:51 |
| aquiles | Hii | 12:16 |
| aquiles | Hello | 12:16 |
| davmor2 | aquiles: hello | 12:16 |
| daniman | Where can i get the click pkgs? | 12:44 |
| pmcgowan | daniman, the app store ? | 12:48 |
| daniman | pmcgowan: yeah, i wanted to download from my pc the pkgs and install | 12:49 |
| mhall119 | daniman: are you running Unity 8? | 12:51 |
| daniman | mhall119: in the touch? | 12:52 |
| mhall119 | yes, touch runs Unity 8 | 12:53 |
| mhall119 | but Unity 8 also runs on non-touch devices, with some work | 12:53 |
| mhall119 | if that's what you've got running, the store scope is the easiest way to find, download, and install apps | 12:53 |
| daniman | Ok, i want to download the apps from my computer and i install them offline | 12:55 |
| daniman | is it impossible? | 12:58 |
| pmcgowan | not sure how to do that, popey ? | 13:02 |
| popey | daniman: we don't have an easy way to download clicks manually. | 13:03 |
| MasseR | daniman: out of curiosity what's your use case | 13:04 |
| daniman | MasseR: use case? | 13:05 |
| MasseR | How come you want to transfer and install the files manually instead of using the store | 13:05 |
| daniman | Connection problem lol | 13:05 |
| MasseR | I think you're gonna have a hard time using touch without connectivity :) | 13:07 |
| daniman | Yeah i had can get connections but currently using such things in from the sim card seems expensive | 13:08 |
| daniman | sorry for the grammer | 13:08 |
| MasseR | Yeah, I remember expensive mobile networks. 2007 I had something like 5€/20M | 13:16 |
| MasseR | Now I got unlimited 4G with ~7€/mo | 13:16 |
| brunch875 | ¿Unlimited? ¿Where do you live? | 13:17 |
| brunch875 | I pay 13€/mo for 500M | 13:18 |
| davmor2 | pfff I get 20GB for £21 | 13:18 |
| brunch875 | I want unlimited, even if it's as slow as 100kb/s | 13:19 |
| brunch875 | that way I don't need to 'avoid watching videos' or crap like that | 13:19 |
| MasseR | brunch875: finland | 13:20 |
| brunch875 | Ah... the developed countries | 13:20 |
| MasseR | A while ago I used mobile data for netflix because it was faster than my landline :P | 13:20 |
| brunch875 | here in spain we have to pay extra expensive taxes if we want to use our own solar energy | 13:21 |
| brunch875 | there goes progress | 13:21 |
| MasseR | Same for us for electric vehicles | 13:21 |
| MasseR | Electric vehicles pay the diesel tax | 13:21 |
| brunch875 | But I guess diesel vehicles also pay the diesel tax then | 13:21 |
| MasseR | yep | 13:21 |
| brunch875 | nono, this tax I talk you about is exclusive to solar panels | 13:22 |
| JanC | brunch875: for using your own solar panels or for delivering the surplus to the network? | 13:26 |
| brunch875 | Just for using them | 13:26 |
| brunch875 | The surplus you revert to the network you have to do it for free, without getting any $$$ | 13:27 |
| brunch875 | and this is mandatory | 13:27 |
| brunch875 | anyone caught with one of those big batteries gets some massive fine | 13:27 |
| brunch875 | equivalent to having nuclear waste laying around your house | 13:28 |
| daniman | any background apps which uses data? i should disable for low data usage | 13:29 |
| brunch875 | JanC: Just google for "sun tax". All results should point to spain :P | 13:29 |
| JanC | well, handling/controlling the surplus actually costs money to the distribution network, so there is a bit of logic in that at least | 13:30 |
| brunch875 | The logic in these crazy laws is because all spanish politicians retire as counselors in energetic companies | 13:32 |
| pmcgowan | daniman, several of the default scopes reach out to the network so you may want to remove them, but we don't really allow apps to do background processing unless using a standard service | 13:33 |
| brunch875 | corruption reeking everywhere | 13:33 |
| brunch875 | Does the "desktop mode" on the tablet allow background apps? | 13:34 |
| daniman | pmcgowan: hmm which scopes? and if i don't start them should they connect automatically? | 13:34 |
| pmcgowan | daniman, they will initialize but not necessarily udate unless you ask them to by swiping, today nearby music video | 13:34 |
| pmcgowan | its not a lot but not sure how much you can tolerate | 13:35 |
| daniman | pmcgowan: How can i disable them with out removing them? Music Scope fetch some music images without my permission | 13:36 |
| popey | davmor2: pmcgowan: what's the best channel for trying OTA-11 on frieza? ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris-pd.en is current channel. | 13:36 |
| popey | daniman: swipe up, un-favorite them | 13:36 |
| popey | (swipe up from the bottom that is) | 13:37 |
| pmcgowan | popey, yes thats the right channel if you want stable | 13:37 |
| pmcgowan | or same with rc-proposed | 13:37 |
| davmor2 | popey: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en | 13:37 |
| popey | I thought I could do sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en | 13:38 |
| popey | but that fails | 13:38 |
| popey | is there some other non-ubuntu-device-flash way to do this? | 13:38 |
| popey | or do I just have to use udf? | 13:38 |
| daniman | popey: i got that, but in the there is this homescreen maybe which can not be removed that the music scope fetchs data | 13:38 |
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| daniman | home* | 13:38 |
| popey | daniman: no, un-favorite them all, the only one left is the app scope | 13:39 |
| pmcgowan | daniman, or, go to the settings for each of the scopes and turn off the internet feeds | 13:40 |
| daniman | is it possible i didn't know! | 13:40 |
| pmcgowan | so for today scope toggle off bbc and other news sites but keep local info for example | 13:40 |
| daniman | anyother? | 13:40 |
| * popey flashes frieza | 13:42 | |
| daniman | and the facebook apps uses a lots of data | 13:44 |
| daniman | is there any opera like browser for touch | 13:44 |
| daniman | or similar | 13:44 |
| pmcgowan | opera like? | 13:47 |
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| daniman | any opera-like mini browser? | 13:51 |
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| popey | davmor2: no | 13:54 |
| popey | dammit | 13:54 |
| === Guest17517 is now known as daniman | ||
| popey | davmor2: pmcgowan seen this on frieza? location notification freaking out https://youtu.be/HlQA5it_fH4 https://youtu.be/8abo9WSqsLM | 13:57 |
| pmcgowan | popey, no but its been reported | 13:58 |
| davmor2 | popey: nope | 13:58 |
| pmcgowan | popey, be nice if you could track it down, let me find the bug | 13:58 |
| popey | started with ota 10.1 | 13:58 |
| pmcgowan | popey, this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1573674 | 13:59 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1573674 in Canonical System Image "Location indicator appears and reappears continually on BQ Aquaris M10" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:59 |
| pmcgowan | davmor2, I am updating frieza and ts taking a long time here, big ubuntu logo spins slowly | 14:01 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: yeap it's a huge image don't forget | 14:02 |
| pmcgowan | it was indeed | 14:02 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: around a 1gb in total | 14:02 |
| pmcgowan | was a 500MB update since 97 | 14:03 |
| pmcgowan | davmor2, so 10 mins? more? | 14:04 |
| popey | pmcgowan: you wiping? | 14:05 |
| pmcgowan | no updating | 14:05 |
| pmcgowan | ota | 14:05 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: takes as long as it takes 5-10 maybe | 14:05 |
| popey | because the only difference between when I had the location thing freak out and not, was i played with the location options in the wizard | 14:05 |
| popey | like, ticked each one in turn, then chose the top one finally. | 14:05 |
| popey | but with a clean OTA11 (rc-proposed) I didnt touch it, just left it default | 14:05 |
| pmcgowan | hmm | 14:05 |
| popey | and the location indicator is no longer freaking out | 14:05 |
| pmcgowan | could be a clue indeed | 14:06 |
| * popey leaves a note on the bug | 14:06 | |
| pmcgowan | ok m10 rebooted | 14:06 |
| === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson_ | ||
| === marcustomlinson_ is now known as marcustomlinson | ||
| Ropax | Hello | 16:46 |
| davmor2 | Ropax: hello | 16:48 |
| Ropax | Is there any option to install ubuntu touch on non-supported devices ??? | 16:48 |
| lotuspsychje | Ropax: port ubuntu-touch to a new device | 16:49 |
| lotuspsychje | Ropax: or if the device is windows based, wait for unity8 to release and install ubuntu-desktop | 16:50 |
| Ropax | k | 16:51 |
| Ropax | thanks | 16:51 |
| Ropax | And one more question can I install ubuntu touch via windows Pc | 16:52 |
| Ropax | ??? | 16:52 |
| lotuspsychje | Ropax: does your windows pc have touch support on screen? | 16:53 |
| davmor2 | Ropax: no, ubuntu flashing tools are specific to ubuntu as far as I know | 16:55 |
| Ropax | ok | 16:55 |
| Ropax | thx | 16:55 |
| ogra_ | you might be able to use a VM though ... | 16:57 |
| davmor2 | ogra_: depends on usb throughput I guess but yes | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | (if it properly handles USB ports) | 16:57 |
| ogra_ | heh, snap | 16:58 |
| Yoanncooljazz | Is there a channel where we can try the miracast feature ? | 17:14 |
| Yoanncooljazz | Im impatient to try the miracast feature | 17:26 |
| === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk | ||
| Sleep_Walker | faenil: where I can find packages of Libertine project? | 18:44 |
| faenil | Sleep_Walker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine | 18:45 |
| faenil | Sleep_Walker: let me link you to a related ML thread | 18:46 |
| Sleep_Walker | I used apt on root filesystem in the past and got into trouble with firmware updates | 18:46 |
| Sleep_Walker | (yet I still don't get why it is so hard :) | 18:47 |
| ogra_ | if you are on teh tablet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit | 18:47 |
| faenil | one thing at a time :) | 18:48 |
| faenil | ogra_: thanks that's what I was looking for :D | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | :D | 18:48 |
| faenil | Sleep_Walker: see ogra_'s link ^ | 18:48 |
| * ogra_ posted it often enough to ubuntu-devel-discuss in the last days :P | 18:48 | |
| faenil | haha | 18:49 |
| faenil | ogra_: do you have any recipe to avoid screwing the system on upgrades? | 18:51 |
| faenil | I never had any issue with it .. | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | not really ... apart from "re-flash it" | 18:51 |
| Sleep_Walker | so why it is not just 'reflashed' by upgrade? | 18:52 |
| faenil | ogra_: no I mean, is there any way to install packages as if you were using a normal linux box and minimize the chance of issues on upgrades? | 18:52 |
| ogra_ | if you use apt the package db and info as well as any manual changes you make to files get reverted with the OTA ... but the space doesnt get freed | 18:52 |
| Sleep_Walker | I can reinstall my packages later | 18:52 |
| ogra_ | since the system expects a readonly setup the assumption is that there are no additional changes ... that the only way to apply the deltas cleanly | 18:53 |
| * ogra_ looks forward to snappy ... where you simply cant make the readonly bits writable ... that will solve so many probs | 18:53 | |
| Sleep_Walker | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine - I miss 'libertine-scope' | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | you dont need the scope | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | (it is a convenience thing) | 18:54 |
| faenil | Sleep_Walker: fyi, more info about upgrades at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | "libertine-container-manager install-package" also works on local debs you hand to it ... | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | (beyond giving you the whole archive) | 18:55 |
| mcphail | ogra_: can't you "unsquashfs" a snap to make it writable? | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | no | 18:57 |
| ogra_ | only to unpack it ... | 18:57 |
| mcphail | ok | 18:58 |
| ogra_ | (beyond that snappy wouldnt let you use it if you re-packed it ... snaps are signed by the store) | 18:59 |
| * mcphail has spent too long guddling around in /opt/click... to see the immediate advantages... | 19:01 | |
| ogra_ | you will be able to install snaps with the --devmode flag ... and you can tinker with them in an overlay bind-mount from the "snappy classic shell" | 19:03 |
| ogra_ | i just dont think you can do that with the rootfs snap ... | 19:03 |
| mcphail | aah. Nice | 19:03 |
| ogra_ | advantage -> random people wont follow random howtos from the web to trash their phones and require support to restore them ;) | 19:04 |
| tedg | mterry: So I have a silo with policykit-unity8 and accountsservice in it. How do I test the welcome screen issue? | 19:07 |
| * ogra_ sees the ubuntu-phone ML and dances | 19:09 | |
| * tedg didn't know ogra_ had so many ITAR restricted questions | 19:15 | |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah this is where I should be as well | 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | this channel | 19:15 |
| * faenil pictures Sleep_Walker playing with libertine | 19:15 | |
| sebsebseb | ah yes libertine to put own programs on tablet | 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | how to do that anyway? | 19:16 |
| faenil | see previous link by ogra_ | 19:20 |
| ogra_ | faenil, he joined later ;) | 19:21 |
| ogra_ | sebsebseb, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit | 19:21 |
| popey | is that for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the phone? | 19:22 |
| popey | What if I want to create my own app and upload to the click store>? | 19:22 |
| Sleep_Walker | faenil: well, I passed $ libertine-container-manager create --id vivid --type chroot --name 'Libertine Demo' and I'm waiting for result | 19:22 |
| ogra_ | that is for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the tablet actually ... | 19:22 |
| ogra_ | on the phone you wont have the tools installed by default | 19:23 |
| popey | Right, I didnt mean phone | 19:23 |
| Sleep_Walker | it looks like it prepares vivid chroot | 19:23 |
| popey | Forget I said phone. | 19:23 |
| * ogra_ forgets | 19:23 | |
| popey | My question is actually, how can I make my own click based on libertine to go to the store? | 19:23 |
| ogra_ | popey, i would assume you actually upload to the archive ... (not sure how the libertine-scope works, but essentially it should only need a .desktop file and the knowledge which package to install) | 19:24 |
| popey | uh no | 19:24 |
| ogra_ | i guess bregma or ChrisTownsend are your men | 19:24 |
| popey | gimp etc are in the store | 19:24 |
| popey | as a click | 19:24 |
| ogra_ | the whole of them ? | 19:24 |
| popey | the ones that are on the tablet are inside a click | 19:25 |
| popey | the purtine/libertine thing | 19:25 |
| ogra_ | thats different | 19:25 |
| popey | the missing thing for me is how that gets made | 19:25 |
| Sleep_Walker | faenil: the document ogra_ wrote relies on puritine and I don't seem to have it | 19:25 |
| tedg | popey: Generally, I don't think you want that, eh? To avoid porting it? | 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | ogra_: yeah I saw that before I am bit confuessed though | 19:25 |
| ogra_ | purtine is the whole container with all apps inside | 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | ogra_: is everything there done in the terminal? | 19:25 |
| tedg | It is a read only chroot | 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | ogra_: also why do you have to nick say the gimp icon, the gimp icon could then be used to actaully load up both gimp and inkscape? | 19:25 |
| tedg | popey: But for completeness the puritine building tools are in the libertine repo. It's done by Jenkins. | 19:26 |
| ChrisTownsend | What's the question? | 19:26 |
| ogra_ | sebsebseb, no idea, i'm justa user in this case :) | 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | ogra_: and then it warns about stuff going wrong to, what's the worst that could happen, and have you followed that guide? | 19:26 |
| tedg | ChrisTownsend: They want to build their own RO libertine containers like puritine. | 19:26 |
| ogra_ | and ship them as click packages in the store | 19:26 |
| ogra_ | (well, popey wants) :) | 19:26 |
| popey | I want to take random x app and make a click so i can put it on all my devices | 19:27 |
| popey | like what you have with firefox etc | 19:27 |
| popey | and my friend wants it to, so I thought I'd put it in the store | 19:27 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Well, it's not so simple. | 19:27 |
| bregma | popey, it's kind of like overseeding your friend's garden with zucchini | 19:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Currently, I build a huge deb in a non-virtual armhf PPA. | 19:28 |
| faenil | Sleep_Walker: you don't need puritine afaik. Puritine is only the container that is shipped with the M10 with the apps preinstalled | 19:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Then download that deb and extract it. | 19:28 |
| popey | ok, thats cool, i can do that | 19:28 |
| bregma | popey, you're better off just creating a libertine container on your device and the installing the debs into it | 19:28 |
| bregma | and for that, you want OTA-11 | 19:28 |
| popey | I absolutely don't want to do that | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | popey: oh you want the apps in a more native way yeah? | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | not this hackey thing | 19:29 |
| popey | I would like to make the simple x app available to multiple people | 19:29 |
| popey | not as a command line hack on my tablet alone | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | popey: indeed to that :) | 19:29 |
| bregma | popey, the other right thing to do is wait until snaps are supported on the phone, then usesnapcraft to build a libertine snap | 19:30 |
| popey | hahahah | 19:30 |
| popey | yeah, okay | 19:30 |
| popey | so that'll be good for next year | 19:30 |
| popey | I'm talking about this year | 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | convergence x apps installed from the app store, that's what popey means I think | 19:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Yeah, the way I make Puritine is quick hackey. Just trying to give instructions in this channel is going to be frustrating at the very least. | 19:30 |
| bregma | mean time, wait for OTA-11 and the libertine scope and everything is *much* easier | 19:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | I mean quite hackey | 19:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | bregma: He wants to build his own bespoke container, package it in a click and make it available for folks to install. | 19:31 |
| tedg | popey: If X is the only requirement, that's just putting a key in your desktop file. But you'll need to deal with window management yourself. | 19:31 |
| popey | I agree that providing documentation via irc is not ideal | 19:31 |
| popey | I was kinda hoping a doc somewhere may exist which details how this might be done | 19:31 |
| bregma | I'm suggesting it's not a good idea, that's all | 19:31 |
| ChrisTownsend | bregma: I agree | 19:32 |
| bregma | it's possible, it's just going to be painful | 19:32 |
| tedg | It's not documented for a reason :-) | 19:32 |
| popey | Why is it not a good idea? | 19:32 |
| ChrisTownsend | Indeed, painful. | 19:32 |
| popey | Every time I ask this question I get handwavy "it's painful" and never an actual answer | 19:32 |
| popey | which in itself, is painful | 19:32 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Because I made up the whole stuff and it's a pain in the ass for me to make up the Puritine click. | 19:33 |
| bregma | for a start, the containers end up being huge and hard on my bandwidth costs | 19:33 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Right, and what bregma just said. | 19:33 |
| popey | I don't understand why you care what mine and my friends bandwidth costs are | 19:33 |
| tedg | popey: Because basically you're installing a full OS for one app. For each app. | 19:34 |
| popey | I mean, it's nice of you. | 19:34 |
| popey | tedg: thats a better answer :) | 19:34 |
| bregma | well, like I said, it's possible, just a matter of creating a container and slapping it in a click mostly | 19:34 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Well, that is what is meant by "being huge". | 19:34 |
| bregma | still, if you use the libertine scope it will be that much easier | 19:35 |
| bregma | because at least that way the installed apps will surface and be launchable | 19:35 |
| popey | I look forward to OTA-11 and this new functionality. | 19:35 |
| bregma | it will end all wars and we'll be home by Christmas | 19:35 |
| Sleep_Walker | faenil: where is libertine container installed to? | 19:36 |
| faenil | can't remember, ogra_? | 19:36 |
| * faenil -> dinner | 19:36 | |
| bregma | Sleep_Walker, when you create your own container it goes somewhere in ~/.cache | 19:37 |
| Sleep_Walker | bregma: right, thanks! | 19:38 |
| ChrisTownsend | Sleep_Walker: ~/.cache/libertine-container to be more exact | 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | so the libertine scope, what will that be? | 19:38 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: It is a scope that will surface apps and icons in all defined containers and make them available to launch. | 19:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: No more having to use hacked up .desktop files. | 19:39 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, it searches your libertine containers for installed applications (or at least they .desktop files they bundle in their debs) and lets you launch them through XMir | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: you mean a bit like say play on Linux, GUI wine thing? | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: or Codeweavers ? | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | but yeah for | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | well not runing WIndow stuff :d | 19:40 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Yeah, kind of like that. | 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | should sort out the depdances etc icons etc | 19:41 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, it's a bit like the regular dash, except it finds debs instead of clicks and always launches XMir | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | and then voilla | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | can start having more of what programs are wanted, and easier? | 19:41 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, yes | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | so it will just search the normal repos for anything? | 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | or selected stuff only? choosen packages? | 19:41 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Only installed packages | 19:41 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: You will need to use the GUI or CLI to install packages in the container. | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | I want say program xyz it's in the Ubuntu repos the normal ones, I can get it? | 19:42 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, except finding and installing the programs is still going to be hard, because XMir is still very much pre-consumer and we expect a lot of problems with random packages | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | yes not everything will work in it, I reolise that | 19:42 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Yes, you can use the Libertine GUI or the Libertine CLI, ie, not the Libertine Scope. | 19:42 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: But it will do an apt-get from the archive in the container. | 19:43 |
| bregma | there's a Linertine GUI app (the "top hat" app) to manage your containers and apps, but it's not like using the store | 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | the libertine GUI will be like a package manager? like software centre or Synaptic etc? | 19:43 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: The GUI is the container manager, so you can create and delete containers, install and remove packages, etc. | 19:44 |
| bregma | there will be a consumer-friendly store scope for installing from the Ubuntu archives into a Libertine container, but not for a while | 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | containers you mean like Wine? wine can have like different set ups for differnet programs | 19:44 |
| bregma | not until things like proper multi-window support and cut-and-paste are fully working | 19:44 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: It's a very, very simple package manager. You can enter the exact package name, or do a search which is based on apt-cache search. | 19:44 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, yes, multiple containers are possible | 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | multiple set ups depending on program right ok | 19:45 |
| ChrisTownsend | A container is like a bottle. | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | so it will be able to search for anything, but if the program installs and works or not that's just questionable | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | that was my undersatnidng all along with xmir, it's quite new, not all programs will work with it etc | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | or work properly | 19:46 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, most people do not share your understanding, so we're not making it easy for them | 19:46 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Right, but some packages are broken in that they don't always pull in everything they depend on. | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | yep depdandancies hell ilke with normal distros in the past :D | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | not so mucn now | 19:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: A container is very minimal and some packages assume they are being installed on a full system. | 19:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | Indeed! | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | package depdancies | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | so this GUI thing though | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | is it going to have like some trusted suggested packages in it? | 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | and then if want to try something else search for it y9ourself | 19:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Nope, it's blank the first time firing it up. You'll need to create a container and then explicitly install packages. | 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | a libertine or whatever it's called container you mean? | 19:48 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Yes a Libertine container. | 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | what's purtine as well by the way? | 19:49 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, the Libertine "Store" should have suggested and featured packages, just Ubuntu SOftware does in Unity 7 right now | 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | bregma: ok yeah that sounds good :) | 19:49 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, Puritine is a pre-packages Libertine container | 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | so there will be two package managers really, one for native apps, and one for convergence apps | 19:49 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Puritine a special custom curated Libertine container w/ 5 apps pre-installed for inclusion on convergence devices. | 19:49 |
| bregma | it was for demonstrating what can be done | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: is that the one that's on the BQ tablet by default then purtine? | 19:50 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Yes | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | rihght ok I got that then | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | since I got one of the tablets | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | that explaisn the hack a bit I think the linked to one | 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | you basically edit purtine like that to do own stuff? | 19:50 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, a final step will be to merge the package managers into an aggregating scope, so one place to discover and install software | 19:50 |
| popey | ChrisTownsend: so do i understand that a user will be able to use the scope to install -any- x app from tge archive? | 19:50 |
| popey | *the | 19:50 |
| bregma | popey, yes | 19:51 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: No, not the Libertine Scope. | 19:51 |
| popey | hahah | 19:51 |
| popey | yes/no | 19:51 |
| popey | pick only one | 19:51 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: It's only for surfacing apps and making them launchable. | 19:51 |
| bregma | popey, you can do that today from the Libertine GUI app | 19:51 |
| ChrisTownsend | Libertine GUI != Libertine Scope | 19:51 |
| mhall119 | popey: http://blog_uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/screenshot20160506_105618896.png is the libertine GUI app searching the archives | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the scope is for displaying what's installed like a menu I guess :d | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | and Libertine GUI is for installing or the command line way | 19:52 |
| bregma | popey, there's the Libertine Scope for surafcing and launching installed apps (coming for OTA-11), and a Libertine Store scope for discovering and installing apps (somewhere down the pipe) | 19:52 |
| popey | gotcha | 19:52 |
| bregma | "Store" might be a misnomer, I don;t think it's supposed to support paid apps | 19:52 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: When OTA11 is released, it will be much easier to create your own container along side the Puritine container. | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | Libertine Apt Scope | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | bregma: Libertuine GUI may not be in OTA 11? | 19:53 |
| popey | how does one get libertine app that mhall119 just linked to? | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | would be the most accurate way to describe it | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | popey: apt-get install libertine libertine-scope | 19:53 |
| popey | on a tablet | 19:53 |
| popey | not desktop | 19:53 |
| bregma | popey, sebsebseb the Libertine GUI is only available as a deb right now | 19:53 |
| popey | ok | 19:53 |
| bregma | because, well, for reasons | 19:53 |
| popey | heh | 19:53 |
| mhall119 | enable writable system partition, apt-get install libertine libertine-scope | 19:53 |
| popey | nope | 19:53 |
| popey | not making my tablet writable :) | 19:53 |
| popey | I'm a user! :) | 19:54 |
| ChrisTownsend | Ya, still a little rough around the edges:) | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: bregma and then as a side thing get copy and paste between programs working and using without a phsyicall keyboard to and yep convergene is better :) | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | popey: re-package libertine as a click, upload to store, install libertine app | 19:54 |
| popey | mhall119: welcome to where we came in :) | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | dammit | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | popey: you really don't want to do the earleir linked to hack for purtine though? | 19:55 |
| popey | no | 19:55 |
| popey | I'm using this tablet as a user | 19:55 |
| bregma | the Libertine GUI is a QML app, so it can just be packaged as a click | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | popey: whhy not, since you want something more native? | 19:55 |
| popey | I don't want to do hacky things on it | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | ah right I see | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | worried someting will go wrong? | 19:55 |
| popey | I have other devices for that | 19:55 |
| popey | no, I just dont want to do things a normal user wouldn't do | 19:55 |
| ChrisTownsend | Yep, Libertine GUI is most definitely click-able. | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | why's that this time? | 19:56 |
| mhall119 | like use a first-gen Ubuntu tablet? | 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: h e h :d | 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: actsaully I think a normal user if the fan boys count as normal users, the kind on om g ubuntu I mean :d, then sure they would use it already h eh :d | 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | quite a few | 19:56 |
| mhall119 | ChrisTownsend: what about things like the libertine-lxc-manager can that be delivered via click? | 19:56 |
| mhall119 | or would some things need to go into the system-image? | 19:57 |
| ChrisTownsend | mhall119: libertine-lxc-manager is really only for the desktop, so a click is unnecessary. | 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | popey: what will you us the tablet for :d | 19:57 |
| bregma | mhall119, we're better off having the libertine tools (no GUI) in the system image, along with XMir | 19:57 |
| mhall119 | oh, it's not needed on phablets? | 19:57 |
| ChrisTownsend | mhall119: LXC is not on devices. | 19:58 |
| ChrisTownsend | mhall119: Nope | 19:58 |
| mhall119 | oh, ok | 19:58 |
| popey | sebsebseb: what everyone uses tablets for | 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | what is a phablet really, I think I looked that up before, but didn't quite find out | 19:58 |
| popey | big phone | 19:58 |
| ChrisTownsend | phone+tablet | 19:58 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: phone+tablet | 19:58 |
| ChrisTownsend | lol | 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 19:58 |
| mhall119 | really, the range of devices that go from phone to tablet | 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | and sure the bq tablet is basically ubuntu phone on a big thing | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but can it do calls? | 19:59 |
| bregma | sebsebseb, "phablet" is a portmanteau, a fake word made up to describe something new | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | I see and yeah I knew it was a well tech term at least :d | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | not so much a made up word | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | anyway so OTA 11 is in about three months? | 20:00 |
| pmcgowan | no couple weeks | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | really only two weeks? | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | well I suppoues 10 was the other month | 20:01 |
| pmcgowan | we plan for every 6 weeks, it slipped a week this time | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | 6 weeks or about and a OTA ok :) | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | why are things based on 15.04 I seen certian tablet reievws mentiong that even | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | plus I noticed that the putine stuff is from 14.04 even or so it seems | 20:02 |
| popey | I look forward to being able to install hexchat ㋛ | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | popey: h eh yeah and I remember that chat the other day | 20:03 |
| bregma | popey, after some bugfixes in OTA-11 land, you can do that from the command line | 20:04 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: puritine is based on 15.04 (vivid) | 20:04 |
| pmcgowan | there was an ABI break in 15.10 so we stayed on 0 longer | 20:04 |
| pmcgowan | 04 that is | 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: ok, but why not 15.10 at least then? | 20:04 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: The container really should match the host's release or there are problems, particularly if the container is newer than the host. | 20:05 |
| popey | this is all quite exciting stuff. good work chaps! :) | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | the host as in the version of Ubuntu touch you mean? | 20:05 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: I tried to get Wily to run in the container on the phone and it simply did not work. | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | but why is Ubuntu touch based on 15.04 as well? | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | popey: it is yeah | 20:06 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Yes, Ubuntu Touch version. | 20:06 |
| pmcgowan | sebsebseb, there was a new gcc in 15.10 that changed ABI | 20:06 |
| ChrisTownsend | popey: Thanks | 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | yes I know what gcc is or have enough of an idea, ABI on the other hand sounds familur, but I am thinking what's that | 20:06 |
| pmcgowan | so we could not maintain compatibility for apps and scopes and such easily | 20:07 |
| pmcgowan | the interface for binaries | 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | 15.10 would have changed to much without little gain basically, so Ubuntu touch for now is still based on 15.04 basically? | 20:08 |
| mhall119 | 15.04 + an PPA that brings in newer components for the phone | 20:08 |
| mhall119 | well, phone, tablet, Unity 8 in general, etc | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | yep I know it runs some later software than the actsual desktop 15.04, Unity 8 for example | 20:09 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Making a bunch of folks recompile their apps and scopes is not what we wanted to do. | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | ChrisTownsend: well yeah unless with good enough reason | 20:10 |
| ChrisTownsend | sebsebseb: Exactly | 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | some people think it will soon be based on 16.04, but will it? | 20:10 |
| pmcgowan | yes, for some definition of soon | 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm I don't know three months? | 20:10 |
| * mhall119 flashes his phones for OSCON | 20:11 | |
| mhall119 | this convergence demo is going to be awesome | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: why? | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | whih convergence demo? | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: because I haven't updated them since SCaLE in January | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | so your staritng over factory reset? | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: with the new dynamic scaling in Unity 8, hot-plugging/unplugging from a monitor will work well | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: on my demo phones, yes | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | not my daily-use phone | 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | what is your demo phone? | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | that one gets updates almost daily | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: they're all Nexus 4 | 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: why no acstaul offical Ubuntu touch hardware, since it's a bit harder to get in USA generally or can be, and doens't work so well with the US networks? | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: because I have these Nexus 4s already, and because they have hardware video out support | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | video out to a T? | 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | TV? | 20:14 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: to anything with HDMI input | 20:14 |
| mhall119 | popey: are you bringing any commercial devices? | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | popey: mhall119 maybe not that sat on one :d | 20:15 |
| popey | mhall119: eh? | 20:20 |
| popey | mhall119: oh, next week. | 20:20 |
| mhall119 | popey: was wondering if you had any Bq or Meizu devices you're bringing, other then the M10 (which I'm just assuming you're bringing) | 20:21 |
| popey | I'll have 2x bq e4.5, 1x bq m10 | 20:21 |
| popey | mx4 is still broken | 20:21 |
| popey | i should pack | 20:21 |
| popey | getting picked up in 12 hours | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | ogra_: I might try that hack soon :d | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | popey: mhall119 OSCON is one of the US events I think | 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | popey: off to the US again? | 20:22 |
| mhall119 | popey: see you tomorrow then | 20:22 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: yes, in Texas this year | 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Canonical paying for you to go :d ? | 20:22 |
| popey | i should hope so | 20:22 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: well he's working, so yes | 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | popey: mhall119 what you guys going to do at OSCON? run an Ubuntu stand? | 20:23 |
| popey | Really looking forward to this week. Gonna be super busy | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: yes, also attending community leadership summit and having a team sprint, we'll be busy | 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: popey he h no video q a on Tuesday I guess :D | 20:23 |
| * mhall119 is wondering if he can get a backpack with a laptop, tablet, 2 phones, a bluetooth keyboard and 2 wireless mice through airport security | 20:24 | |
| mhall119 | 3 phones, my personal one will be in there as well | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: yeah probably unless TSA go after geeks now :d | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | I encountered a TSA agent who was quite fond of Red Hat one trip | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | oh nice :) | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | thought for sure I was going to get the "enhanced screening" for wearing my Ubuntu shirt | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | oh, hey, the first-boot screens have changed | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | a *lot* | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | these are lovely | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | yes it's like Desktop Ubuntu | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | been like that for a while | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | Plymouth type thing | 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | that's what you mean I assume to | 20:26 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: no, I mean the setup wizard | 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 20:26 |
| mhall119 | I see the bootsplash often enough on my own phone, but haven't done a new setup in a while | 20:26 |
| mhall119 | oh, I can give it a name now? | 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | popey: 16th May to 19th OSCON, so your going a bit earlier to spend time with mhall119 then :d special time | 20:27 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: CLS is 14 & 15 | 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | and to adjust to the time zone maybe | 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh there's another one first | 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | CLS? what's that? | 20:29 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/ | 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | JOno at that one | 20:30 |
| popey | it is indeed quite handy to stream the tablet to your laptop http://imgur.com/oPD7qVV :) | 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | mhall119: that was just coincidence at same kind of place or? | 20:30 |
| mhall119 | sebsebseb: no, it's been co-hosted with OSCON before | 20:31 |
| popey | mhall119: the first boot screens are great, until you get to the location one | 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | popey: how did you streame tablet to lap top? | 20:31 |
| popey | sorry, timezone | 20:31 |
| mhall119 | popey: because you can't go back after that | 20:31 |
| mhall119 | ? | 20:31 |
| popey | sebsebseb: shell script | 20:31 |
| popey | http://popey.imgur.com/all/ | 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | what's the script I guess :D | 20:32 |
| popey | bah | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | what's wrong with the timezone screen? | 20:32 |
| popey | http://i.imgur.com/aFZC2in.jpg | 20:32 |
| popey | the map, osx and purple banner take a lot of room | 20:32 |
| popey | with the osx overlapping the map | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | oh, it looks fine on a phone :) | 20:32 |
| popey | so you cant actually see it | 20:32 |
| popey | hah | 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | for some reason my tablet thinks I am in London after first set up which is not the case, but I will be re setting up soonish anyway, but I wonder what had happended there | 20:32 |
| popey | I'll bring these two with me http://imgur.com/SNy4nIX | 20:32 |
| popey | yeah, mine thinks I'm in london, pull down refresh changes that | 20:33 |
| popey | I wonder if I can stream my tablet directly to twitch or youtube | 20:33 |
| popey | should be possible | 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | popey: pull down refresth changes it where? I looked for some kind of changing optoin but coudnt' seem to find | 20:33 |
| popey | in the nearby scope for example | 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | it's up staris right now, but I'll have to take a look at that | 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | which phones are those two? they both look black and yeah :d | 20:34 |
| popey | both e4.5 | 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | popey: when you going back from USA? | 20:35 |
| popey | next week | 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | day after event? OSCON? | 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | popey: no proper tourist day :D on Canonical's money h eh | 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 20:36 |
| popey | nah | 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | back day after, or last day of event? | 20:36 |
| popey | yeah, back after oscon | 20:36 |
| popey | mhall119: have you seen there's a telegram snap in the store now? | 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | popey: on the same day would suck though, since your in well quite a time zone differnece | 20:37 |
| popey | its an overnight flight back from us | 20:37 |
| popey | so sleepy sleepington | 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | but I suppouse can sleepon plane sure | 20:37 |
| popey | some of the app names in the snap store are fun | 20:38 |
| popey | sudo 1 not sudo | 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | the snap store for desktop? not used that | 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | or did you mean touch? | 20:38 |
| popey | desktop | 20:39 |
| popey | right, off to pack... ttfn | 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | yeah not on 16.04 yet | 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | popey: ok have fun in USA etc :) | 20:39 |
| mhall119 | popey: no, is it the desktop app or the Ubuntu SDK one? | 20:39 |
| popey | mhall119: desktop | 20:56 |
| mhall119 | ah, I want to see our version gain convergence layouts | 20:57 |
| mhall119 | popey: is there a way to get the dark theme back for the file manager? | 20:58 |
| popey | install an old click | 20:59 |
| popey | patches welcome | 20:59 |
| popey | trolololo | 20:59 |
| mhall119 | I'll file bugs, that's almost as good as a patch right? | 21:00 |
| popey | no | 21:00 |
| popey | lets work on this next week :) | 21:00 |
| popey | I'll patch if you help :) | 21:00 |
| mhall119 | I might be up for that | 21:00 |
| mhall119 | as long as it's in the QML parts | 21:00 |
| popey | yes | 21:00 |
| popey | +1 | 21:00 |
| popey | ^5 | 21:00 |
| mhall119 | but, keyboard shortcuts in the terminal first | 21:01 |
| mhall119 | because using the mouse is killing me | 21:01 |
| popey | +1 | 21:01 |
| popey | deal | 21:01 |
| * mhall119 files bugs | 21:06 | |
| mhall119 | sergiusens: is your telegram snap fully confined? | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | (other than X11 that is) | 21:47 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 yes | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | \o/ | 21:48 |
| mhall119 | and does the unity7 plug/slot thing mean you don't have to bundle all the runtime dependencies that are already installed? | 21:48 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 it is missing some things though; it doesn't open urls (there's a snapd bug open for that) and there is no menu (lacking interface support) | 21:48 |
| sergiusens | I am living fine without that | 21:48 |
| sergiusens | but not using it even as I am working from my bq m10 now | 21:48 |
| mhall119 | menus require a snap interface? | 21:49 |
| mhall119 | sergiusens: well, you have the telegram click for your M10 :) | 21:49 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 not menus per se, app indicator icon menus | 21:49 |
| mhall119 | oh, those, ok | 21:49 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 yeah, but I get left out on the super group channels :-P | 21:49 |
| mhall119 | they need something separate from the unity7 interface? | 21:49 |
| sergiusens | have plenty of those now | 21:50 |
| sergiusens | mhall119 the unity7 interface needs to be expended to support that | 21:50 |
| mhall119 | ok | 21:51 |
| ahoneybun | yay video recording is fixed on the N7 | 21:53 |
| ahoneybun | boo playing it from the Video Scope will reboot the device | 21:53 |
| ahoneybun | mm even file manager | 21:54 |
| * ahoneybun wonders about filing a bug | 21:55 | |
| ahoneybun | mhall119 any idea where to file it? | 21:57 |
| ahoneybun | there is no bug about video in camera on LP | 21:57 |
| ahoneybun | so maybe Media Player? | 21:57 |
| ahoneybun | mm even Gallery reboots the tablet when trying to play the video | 22:00 |
| ahoneybun | who can I talk to about clearing some bugs out of there | 22:02 |
| ahoneybun | there is one from 2013 about the OG N7 | 22:02 |
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| ahoneybun | so it is any MP4 file | 22:08 |
| mhall119 | ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediaplayer-app/+filebug?no_redirect | 22:23 |
| mhall119 | you might also ping jhodapp when he's around about it, in case it's a gstreamer thing | 22:23 |
| ahoneybun | mhall119 got it from that Avengers page :) | 22:23 |
| ahoneybun | have the report made but updating to the latest image to see if there are any changes | 22:23 |
| ahoneybun | I see they jumped from 434 to 436 | 22:24 |
| ahoneybun | damn this update is slow | 22:27 |
| ahoneybun | mhall119 bug report not needed | 22:39 |
| mhall119 | ahoneybun: did the upgrade fix it? | 22:44 |
| ahoneybun | yea Media Player plays the recording | 22:44 |
| ahoneybun | but my MP4 did not play though | 22:44 |
| ahoneybun | another file not the video I recoreded | 22:45 |
| ogra_ | just use VLC :P | 22:45 |
| ahoneybun | the built in tools should work | 22:45 |
| ogra_ | definitely (i wasnt serious ... while VLC works, it isnt accelerated ... closer to a slideshow ...) | 22:46 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 22:46 |
| ahoneybun | I don't have libertine or anything working on this | 22:46 |
| ahoneybun | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediaplayer-app/+bug/1581242 | 22:46 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1581242 in mediaplayer-app (Ubuntu) "MP4 playback does not work" [Undecided,New] | 22:46 |
| ahoneybun | ohhhh links work in Synergy | 22:47 |
| ahoneybun | shared clipboard, nice! | 22:47 |
| ahoneybun | mm how does Libertine work... | 22:52 |
| ogra_ | very nicely | 22:53 |
| mhall119 | ahoneybun: you need to install libertine and libertine-scope from the archives | 22:53 |
| ogra_ | not if he runs ubuntu-pd | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | yea -scope is not on the repos for me yet | 22:53 |
| ogra_ | (and you dont need -scope) | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | also need some other deb that I don't have | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | maybe the arm one | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | if you are on the -pd image libertine-container image is installed | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | err | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | libertine-container-manager | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | ahoneybun, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | ogra_ don't think there is one for the N7 | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | no need to tinker with the system that way ... | 22:54 |
| ogra_ | there is definitely oone for the N7 | 22:55 |
| ogra_ | i used it before i got the M10 | 22:55 |
| ahoneybun | sweet | 22:55 |
| ogra_ | http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd/ | 22:55 |
| ogra_ | there is a flo build | 22:55 |
| ogra_ | (note that it has the tools but no container preinstalled ... you need to follow the gdoc above to get a container and install apps in it) | 22:56 |
| ahoneybun | I wish bluetooth working more often | 22:57 |
| ogra_ | invest in an M10 ... the HW support is classes better than for the N7 | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | I just saw that | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun | ogra_ kinda silly to get new hardware | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun | I don't have the money for that | 22:59 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 22:59 |
| ahoneybun | mm I don't have com.ubuntu.prutine or whaever | 23:01 |
| ogra_ | you only need libertine | 23:02 |
| bregma | ahoneybun, you don't need puritine, just the libertine tools | 23:02 |
| ogra_ | ah, there is the boss :) | 23:02 |
| ahoneybun | but that guide says purtine | 23:02 |
| ogra_ | what guide ? | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | (not the one i linnked) | 23:03 |
| ahoneybun | yep | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit | 23:03 |
| ahoneybun | the one you gave | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | oh | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | yeah, ignore that ... | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | you obviously dont need to remove the config if you dont have it | 23:03 |
| * ogra_ assumes libertine-container-manager will just create it when you run it) | 23:04 | |
| ahoneybun | well I started from the top[ | 23:04 |
| ogra_ | right, it is for the M10 ... | 23:04 |
| ogra_ | assuming you have the preinstalled bits | 23:04 |
| ogra_ | whihc the N7 image doesnt | 23:04 |
| ahoneybun | I did | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun | trying to make a container | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun | *trying | 23:05 |
| ogra_ | good luck :) | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun | says I have no container | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 23:06 |
| bregma | ahoneybun, if you're using an N7, make sure you have the python3-libertine-chroot package installed | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun | mm | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun | add as a dep please :) | 23:06 |
| bregma | can't add it as a dep because it's only for some hardware and not others | 23:07 |
| ahoneybun | mm something broken when installing that | 23:08 |
| ahoneybun | updating to see what happened | 23:08 |
| ahoneybun | I don't think apt upgrade will be good for OTAs | 23:08 |
| ahoneybun | yay | 23:09 |
| ahoneybun | the heck is ID? | 23:10 |
| ahoneybun | libertine-container-manager create asks for -i/--id bregma | 23:10 |
| ogra_ | lol | 23:10 |
| ogra_ | libertine-container-manager create -i puritine2 -n "Puritine 2" -t chroot -d vivid --force | 23:11 |
| ogra_ | -i | 23:11 |
| bregma | I haven't been asked for ID for years | 23:11 |
| bregma | ahoneybun, you need to give your container a unique identifier, one that can be used as a directory name in the filesystem (so, no '/' character) | 23:11 |
| ogra_ | -i/--id is the id of the container you create | 23:12 |
| bregma | you don't need to specify "-t chroot" or "-d vivid" it's smart enough to do the right thing by default | 23:12 |
| ahoneybun | a name? | 23:13 |
| ahoneybun | what do I name it? | 23:13 |
| ogra_ | oh, sisnce when ? | 23:13 |
| ahoneybun | like -i wise | 23:13 |
| ogra_ | (it didnt when i created my last contaainer= | 23:13 |
| ogra_ | -i ahoneybun-funny-container-foo | 23:13 |
| ogra_ | just pick one ... | 23:13 |
| bregma | ogra_, the latest version in the archives has a whole lot of fixes, ready for OTA-11 | 23:14 |
| ogra_ | ah, i'm on stable ... so still OTA10 | 23:14 |
| bregma | I wonder of we should look at autogenerating some unique random ID | 23:15 |
| * ogra_ tries the "true experience" | 23:15 | |
| ogra_ | yeah | 23:15 |
| bregma | I'd hate to have to type all those random characters while testing though | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | I'm on r436 now | 23:15 |
| ogra_ | well | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | rc-proposed | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | not my phone so | 23:15 |
| ogra_ | and you would have a prob to install multiple packkages in the same container | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | till mariogrip gets a update out lol | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | maybe | 23:15 |
| ogra_ | if you cant memorize the name | 23:15 |
| bregma | the GUI works for that, no need to memorize | 23:16 |
| bregma | also, I ssh into everything | 23:16 |
| ogra_ | so probably not random ... but iterating number suffix or so | 23:16 |
| bregma | originally I had a default ID of the distro name plus an increasing suffix, I think that code got replaced at some point | 23:17 |
| bregma | then again, originally I was installing Debian sid in the container because there wasn't a core Ubuntu to use yet | 23:18 |
| bregma | I don't think that would even work any more | 23:19 |
| ogra_ | oh ? | 23:19 |
| bregma | been toying with this thing for a long time | 23:19 |
| bregma | it might work, | 23:19 |
| ogra_ | oh, 15.04 ... | 23:19 |
| ogra_ | yeah, ubuntu-core tarballs for that might be gone indeed | 23:20 |
| mariogrip | ahoneybun: update, me? :P the server should handle that | 23:21 |
| ogra_ | in general they are under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/ | 23:21 |
| mariogrip | #evertthingautomated :P | 23:21 |
| ahoneybun | mariogrip kinda hard to move from Android with this Android Wear though | 23:21 |
| mariogrip | oh, im working on some magic there too, i miss my moto 360 | 23:22 |
| ahoneybun | oh boy! | 23:22 |
| ahoneybun | I have a Moto 360 now as well | 23:22 |
| mariogrip | awesome :D | 23:22 |
| ahoneybun | want to try something with my Nexus mariogrip? | 23:23 |
| mariogrip | ahoneybun: what? | 23:23 |
| ahoneybun | video works on my N7 now so Hangouts! | 23:23 |
| ahoneybun | making a chroot atm | 23:24 |
| mariogrip | sure :P call me when you want to test it out :P | 23:24 |
| ogra_ | (was "ubuntu-core" til last week... just got renamed to -base) | 23:25 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, wow, you renamed the old ubuntu-core tarballs retroactively ? | 23:25 |
| * ogra_ wonders how many peoples scripts will break :) | 23:25 | |
| ahoneybun | XD | 23:26 |
| patwest | Is there a way to play video form the sd card without it copying the movie to the internal storage? | 23:26 |
| mariogrip | ogra_: what? why is ubuntu-core renamed? | 23:27 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip, to solve naming confusion with snappy | 23:27 |
| ogra_ | patwest, if you use the video scope it doesnt get copied around | 23:28 |
| ogra_ | iirc thats just an issue when using the file manager | 23:28 |
| patwest | I see, I will have to try that | 23:28 |
| Acou_Bass | ahoneybun: which browser does it work in? | 23:28 |
| ahoneybun | default | 23:28 |
| mariogrip | oh so it's not the ubuntu-core (snappy iot version) that is renamed ogra_ | 23:28 |
| ahoneybun | Acou_Bass | 23:28 |
| mariogrip | right? | 23:28 |
| ogra_ | no, the way older ubuntu-core tarball | 23:29 |
| Acou_Bass | ohh cool, when i tried it in default browser it said i needed a plugin... is this an rc build or something? | 23:29 |
| Acou_Bass | sorry ive only just gotten here and joined the conversation =) | 23:29 |
| mariogrip | ok :) | 23:29 |
| ogra_ | (that exists since years ... but with snappy ubuntu core that became confusing) | 23:29 |
| ahoneybun | Acou_Bass I'm on rc-proposed | 23:29 |
| Acou_Bass | ahh | 23:29 |
| ahoneybun | don't think it is in OTA10 | 23:29 |
| ahoneybun | will be in OTA11 for sure though | 23:30 |
| Acou_Bass | sweet, ill wait for OTA then hee | 23:30 |
| patwest | Has anyone gotten 128GB sd cards working on a BQ M10? | 23:30 |
| mariogrip | ahoneybun: could you try a app for me on your tablet when you have time? | 23:30 |
| ahoneybun | mariogrip of course | 23:31 |
| ahoneybun | damn chroot takes time | 23:31 |
| ogra_ | patwest, works fine on mine | 23:31 |
| ahoneybun | wish this had a progress bar | 23:31 |
| patwest | ogra_: strange, I got a 64GB card working but the 128GB card is detected but does want to mount. What filesystem is on your card? | 23:33 |
| ahoneybun | mariogrip your not on Hangouts you know | 23:36 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 23:36 |
| mariogrip | ahoneybun: sorry i had to accept u | 23:37 |
| ahoneybun | yep lol | 23:37 |
| mariogrip | ahoneybun: no answer :P | 23:39 |
| ahoneybun | was trying | 23:39 |
| ahoneybun | the window does not scale right | 23:39 |
| ogra_ | patwest, vfat indeed | 23:42 |
| ogra_ | (other FSes arent supported) | 23:42 |
| mterry | tedg, you're not still around, I assume? | 23:43 |
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