=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:44] hi. i got an aquaris e5 ubuntu touch. its my daily driver. how can i help the community make this thing suck less? [06:58] mithun: file bug reports, create patches, make apps and scopes, write documentation [06:59] thanks mcphail. is there a list somewhere with things other people are thinking? [07:02] mithun: theres a mailing list, and there was talk last week of producing a list of small bugs which could be easily tackled by the community [07:04] ah. found it now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute [07:07] Lurking on here can be useful as well === Saviq_ is now known as Saviq [09:02] Can i externally download a package and install it to my phone, or download from my computer then install it? [09:02] is there any mirror? [09:02] !mirror [09:02] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Xenial, and help keeping the servers' load low! [09:06] daniman: yes, you can [09:07] popey: how? is there any doc, sorry i am new for the phone version [09:09] adb push foo.click /tmp [09:09] adb shell [09:09] pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/foo.click [09:09] Done. [09:12] popey: how? [09:12] how what? [09:13] oh, you timed out, I typed it above [09:13] yeah i was out, light went out lol [09:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16373517/ [09:14] popey: i don't think there is adb [09:14] there is adbd [09:14] you run adb on your pc, not the phone [09:14] to transfer the click to the phone [09:15] or you could just wget the file directly on the phone and just use pkcon to install it [09:15] yeah i got it, but is there adb for the phone [09:15] The last time i checked it was adbd [09:15] * daniman <-- new for the phone [09:16] ok where can i download the packages? [09:23] !pkg mirror [09:23] !mirror [09:23] Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Xenial, and help keeping the servers' load low! === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [09:38] Telegram now takes some time to open up a chat when tapping on a contact (as if it needed internet to do it). Am I the only experiencing this? [09:39] brunch875: I don't think so. [09:39] yeah noticed as well it drops to the chat list when clicking a notification and takes 2-3 secs to open the chat [09:40] I'll test it a bit and then file a bug then [09:41] I think this new behavior is so that it doesn't open an unrefreshed chat [09:42] It must be a bit of a headache since the notifications aren't entirely synched up with the client [09:48] Little question: I am on rc-proposed. Am I using a newer version than on stable? Or is the same telegram version rolled on all channels? [09:48] same version [09:48] it's a store-shipped click [09:49] That's good to know! [10:05] is there a simple way / srcipt to setup public key for phone ssh using adb? [10:05] something like adb setup-ssh [10:12] brunch875: phablet-shell [10:13] brunch875: connect it to a pc enable developer mode and run phablet-shell [10:13] is it like adb shell? [10:14] brunch875: it will setup keys and copy them to your phone and pc so you can connect to it from ssh [10:14] I can't use adb shell because I'm talking here with rndis :Þ [10:14] Thanks, davmor2 [10:14] I'll do that at home so that I don't burn 50MB downloading phablet-tools [11:21] My M10 arrived. It's got a european charger :( [11:22] popey: :( that sucks [11:24] popey: nice box though right? [11:24] those thing didn't happen while you were in the E.U [11:24] oh, wait [11:24] :-) [11:24] popey: it's Ok. I am in Europe :) [11:27] popey: quick send Smurphy the plug it sounds like he needs it desperately :D [11:27] popey: How unfortunate. Send it to me, I use european outlets :Þ [11:27] /join #brexit [11:28] popey: see loads of people seem desperate for the plug you'll have no issues getting rid of it [11:29] i notice it ships with OTA 9.5, not 10 or 10.1 [11:29] Also, can't sign in to U1 - "network error - please retry" [11:29] nothing wrong with the network [11:30] popey: bug is fixed it is because you need to add your one time only password [11:30] wat [11:30] how? [11:30] scroll down the page [11:31] there is no scroll down [11:31] popey: should be [11:31] nope [11:32] have you slid the keyboard down? [11:32] yes [11:32] hmm pass then [11:33] popey: for canonical people the network error was because it tried to connect and failed due to redirect to otp this is fixed in 11 whenever it is released [11:33] no good for a customer OOBE on 9.5 [11:35] popey: we don't release it bq do and the factory ran with ota9.5 as that was what was available and new oobe didn't land till 10 hands are tied on that one === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:50] davmor2: that issue can't be 2fa btw, I initially tried with a non-canonical account [11:50] and it also failed [11:51] popey: oh weird blame JamesTait bound to be his fault [12:16] Hii [12:16] Hello [12:16] aquiles: hello [12:44] Where can i get the click pkgs? [12:48] daniman, the app store ? [12:49] pmcgowan: yeah, i wanted to download from my pc the pkgs and install [12:51] daniman: are you running Unity 8? [12:52] mhall119: in the touch? [12:53] yes, touch runs Unity 8 [12:53] but Unity 8 also runs on non-touch devices, with some work [12:53] if that's what you've got running, the store scope is the easiest way to find, download, and install apps [12:55] Ok, i want to download the apps from my computer and i install them offline [12:58] is it impossible? [13:02] not sure how to do that, popey ? [13:03] daniman: we don't have an easy way to download clicks manually. [13:04] daniman: out of curiosity what's your use case [13:05] MasseR: use case? [13:05] How come you want to transfer and install the files manually instead of using the store [13:05] Connection problem lol [13:07] I think you're gonna have a hard time using touch without connectivity :) [13:08] Yeah i had can get connections but currently using such things in from the sim card seems expensive [13:08] sorry for the grammer [13:16] Yeah, I remember expensive mobile networks. 2007 I had something like 5€/20M [13:16] Now I got unlimited 4G with ~7€/mo [13:17] ¿Unlimited? ¿Where do you live? [13:18] I pay 13€/mo for 500M [13:18] pfff I get 20GB for £21 [13:19] I want unlimited, even if it's as slow as 100kb/s [13:19] that way I don't need to 'avoid watching videos' or crap like that [13:20] brunch875: finland [13:20] Ah... the developed countries [13:20] A while ago I used mobile data for netflix because it was faster than my landline :P [13:21] here in spain we have to pay extra expensive taxes if we want to use our own solar energy [13:21] there goes progress [13:21] Same for us for electric vehicles [13:21] Electric vehicles pay the diesel tax [13:21] But I guess diesel vehicles also pay the diesel tax then [13:21] yep [13:22] nono, this tax I talk you about is exclusive to solar panels [13:26] brunch875: for using your own solar panels or for delivering the surplus to the network? [13:26] Just for using them [13:27] The surplus you revert to the network you have to do it for free, without getting any $$$ [13:27] and this is mandatory [13:27] anyone caught with one of those big batteries gets some massive fine [13:28] equivalent to having nuclear waste laying around your house [13:29] any background apps which uses data? i should disable for low data usage [13:29] JanC: Just google for "sun tax". All results should point to spain :P [13:30] well, handling/controlling the surplus actually costs money to the distribution network, so there is a bit of logic in that at least [13:32] The logic in these crazy laws is because all spanish politicians retire as counselors in energetic companies [13:33] daniman, several of the default scopes reach out to the network so you may want to remove them, but we don't really allow apps to do background processing unless using a standard service [13:33] corruption reeking everywhere [13:34] Does the "desktop mode" on the tablet allow background apps? [13:34] pmcgowan: hmm which scopes? and if i don't start them should they connect automatically? [13:34] daniman, they will initialize but not necessarily udate unless you ask them to by swiping, today nearby music video [13:35] its not a lot but not sure how much you can tolerate [13:36] pmcgowan: How can i disable them with out removing them? Music Scope fetch some music images without my permission [13:36] davmor2: pmcgowan: what's the best channel for trying OTA-11 on frieza? ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris-pd.en is current channel. [13:36] daniman: swipe up, un-favorite them [13:37] (swipe up from the bottom that is) [13:37] popey, yes thats the right channel if you want stable [13:37] or same with rc-proposed [13:37] popey: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en [13:38] I thought I could do sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en [13:38] but that fails [13:38] is there some other non-ubuntu-device-flash way to do this? [13:38] or do I just have to use udf? [13:38] popey: i got that, but in the there is this homescreen maybe which can not be removed that the music scope fetchs data === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [13:38] home* [13:39] daniman: no, un-favorite them all, the only one left is the app scope [13:40] daniman, or, go to the settings for each of the scopes and turn off the internet feeds [13:40] is it possible i didn't know! [13:40] so for today scope toggle off bbc and other news sites but keep local info for example [13:40] anyother? [13:42] * popey flashes frieza [13:44] and the facebook apps uses a lots of data [13:44] is there any opera like browser for touch [13:44] or similar [13:47] opera like? === JanC is now known as Guest15251 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [13:51] any opera-like mini browser? === d is now known as Guest17517 [13:54] davmor2: no [13:54] dammit === Guest17517 is now known as daniman [13:57] davmor2: pmcgowan seen this on frieza? location notification freaking out https://youtu.be/HlQA5it_fH4 https://youtu.be/8abo9WSqsLM [13:58] popey, no but its been reported [13:58] popey: nope [13:58] popey, be nice if you could track it down, let me find the bug [13:58] started with ota 10.1 [13:59] popey, this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1573674 [13:59] Ubuntu bug 1573674 in Canonical System Image "Location indicator appears and reappears continually on BQ Aquaris M10" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:01] davmor2, I am updating frieza and ts taking a long time here, big ubuntu logo spins slowly [14:02] pmcgowan: yeap it's a huge image don't forget [14:02] it was indeed [14:02] pmcgowan: around a 1gb in total [14:03] was a 500MB update since 97 [14:04] davmor2, so 10 mins? more? [14:05] pmcgowan: you wiping? [14:05] no updating [14:05] ota [14:05] pmcgowan: takes as long as it takes 5-10 maybe [14:05] because the only difference between when I had the location thing freak out and not, was i played with the location options in the wizard [14:05] like, ticked each one in turn, then chose the top one finally. [14:05] but with a clean OTA11 (rc-proposed) I didnt touch it, just left it default [14:05] hmm [14:05] and the location indicator is no longer freaking out [14:06] could be a clue indeed [14:06] * popey leaves a note on the bug [14:06] ok m10 rebooted === marcusto_ is now known as marcustomlinson_ === marcustomlinson_ is now known as marcustomlinson [16:46] Hello [16:48] Ropax: hello [16:48] Is there any option to install ubuntu touch on non-supported devices ??? [16:49] Ropax: port ubuntu-touch to a new device [16:50] Ropax: or if the device is windows based, wait for unity8 to release and install ubuntu-desktop [16:51] k [16:51] thanks [16:52] And one more question can I install ubuntu touch via windows Pc [16:52] ??? [16:53] Ropax: does your windows pc have touch support on screen? [16:55] Ropax: no, ubuntu flashing tools are specific to ubuntu as far as I know [16:55] ok [16:55] thx [16:57] you might be able to use a VM though ... [16:57] ogra_: depends on usb throughput I guess but yes [16:57] (if it properly handles USB ports) [16:58] heh, snap [17:14] Is there a channel where we can try the miracast feature ? [17:26] Im impatient to try the miracast feature === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [18:44] faenil: where I can find packages of Libertine project? [18:45] Sleep_Walker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine [18:46] Sleep_Walker: let me link you to a related ML thread [18:46] I used apt on root filesystem in the past and got into trouble with firmware updates [18:47] (yet I still don't get why it is so hard :) [18:47] if you are on teh tablet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit [18:48] one thing at a time :) [18:48] ogra_: thanks that's what I was looking for :D [18:48] :D [18:48] Sleep_Walker: see ogra_'s link ^ [18:48] * ogra_ posted it often enough to ubuntu-devel-discuss in the last days :P [18:49] haha [18:51] ogra_: do you have any recipe to avoid screwing the system on upgrades? [18:51] I never had any issue with it .. [18:51] not really ... apart from "re-flash it" [18:52] so why it is not just 'reflashed' by upgrade? [18:52] ogra_: no I mean, is there any way to install packages as if you were using a normal linux box and minimize the chance of issues on upgrades? [18:52] if you use apt the package db and info as well as any manual changes you make to files get reverted with the OTA ... but the space doesnt get freed [18:52] I can reinstall my packages later [18:53] since the system expects a readonly setup the assumption is that there are no additional changes ... that the only way to apply the deltas cleanly [18:53] * ogra_ looks forward to snappy ... where you simply cant make the readonly bits writable ... that will solve so many probs [18:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine - I miss 'libertine-scope' [18:54] you dont need the scope [18:54] (it is a convenience thing) [18:54] Sleep_Walker: fyi, more info about upgrades at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades [18:54] "libertine-container-manager install-package" also works on local debs you hand to it ... [18:55] (beyond giving you the whole archive) [18:57] ogra_: can't you "unsquashfs" a snap to make it writable? [18:57] no [18:57] only to unpack it ... [18:58] ok [18:59] (beyond that snappy wouldnt let you use it if you re-packed it ... snaps are signed by the store) [19:01] * mcphail has spent too long guddling around in /opt/click... to see the immediate advantages... [19:03] you will be able to install snaps with the --devmode flag ... and you can tinker with them in an overlay bind-mount from the "snappy classic shell" [19:03] i just dont think you can do that with the rootfs snap ... [19:03] aah. Nice [19:04] advantage -> random people wont follow random howtos from the web to trash their phones and require support to restore them ;) [19:07] mterry: So I have a silo with policykit-unity8 and accountsservice in it. How do I test the welcome screen issue? [19:09] * ogra_ sees the ubuntu-phone ML and dances [19:15] * tedg didn't know ogra_ had so many ITAR restricted questions [19:15] oh yeah this is where I should be as well [19:15] this channel [19:15] * faenil pictures Sleep_Walker playing with libertine [19:16] ah yes libertine to put own programs on tablet [19:16] how to do that anyway? [19:20] see previous link by ogra_ [19:21] faenil, he joined later ;) [19:21] sebsebseb, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit [19:22] is that for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the phone? [19:22] What if I want to create my own app and upload to the click store>? [19:22] faenil: well, I passed $ libertine-container-manager create --id vivid --type chroot --name 'Libertine Demo' and I'm waiting for result [19:22] that is for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the tablet actually ... [19:23] on the phone you wont have the tools installed by default [19:23] Right, I didnt mean phone [19:23] it looks like it prepares vivid chroot [19:23] Forget I said phone. [19:23] * ogra_ forgets [19:23] My question is actually, how can I make my own click based on libertine to go to the store? [19:24] popey, i would assume you actually upload to the archive ... (not sure how the libertine-scope works, but essentially it should only need a .desktop file and the knowledge which package to install) [19:24] uh no [19:24] i guess bregma or ChrisTownsend are your men [19:24] gimp etc are in the store [19:24] as a click [19:24] the whole of them ? [19:25] the ones that are on the tablet are inside a click [19:25] the purtine/libertine thing [19:25] thats different [19:25] the missing thing for me is how that gets made [19:25] faenil: the document ogra_ wrote relies on puritine and I don't seem to have it [19:25] popey: Generally, I don't think you want that, eh? To avoid porting it? [19:25] ogra_: yeah I saw that before I am bit confuessed though [19:25] purtine is the whole container with all apps inside [19:25] ogra_: is everything there done in the terminal? [19:25] It is a read only chroot [19:25] ogra_: also why do you have to nick say the gimp icon, the gimp icon could then be used to actaully load up both gimp and inkscape? [19:26] popey: But for completeness the puritine building tools are in the libertine repo. It's done by Jenkins. [19:26] What's the question? [19:26] sebsebseb, no idea, i'm justa user in this case :) [19:26] ogra_: and then it warns about stuff going wrong to, what's the worst that could happen, and have you followed that guide? [19:26] ChrisTownsend: They want to build their own RO libertine containers like puritine. [19:26] and ship them as click packages in the store [19:26] (well, popey wants) :) [19:27] I want to take random x app and make a click so i can put it on all my devices [19:27] like what you have with firefox etc [19:27] and my friend wants it to, so I thought I'd put it in the store [19:27] popey: Well, it's not so simple. [19:28] popey, it's kind of like overseeding your friend's garden with zucchini [19:28] popey: Currently, I build a huge deb in a non-virtual armhf PPA. [19:28] Sleep_Walker: you don't need puritine afaik. Puritine is only the container that is shipped with the M10 with the apps preinstalled [19:28] popey: Then download that deb and extract it. [19:28] ok, thats cool, i can do that [19:28] popey, you're better off just creating a libertine container on your device and the installing the debs into it [19:28] and for that, you want OTA-11 [19:29] I absolutely don't want to do that [19:29] popey: oh you want the apps in a more native way yeah? [19:29] not this hackey thing [19:29] I would like to make the simple x app available to multiple people [19:29] not as a command line hack on my tablet alone [19:29] popey: indeed to that :) [19:30] popey, the other right thing to do is wait until snaps are supported on the phone, then usesnapcraft to build a libertine snap [19:30] hahahah [19:30] yeah, okay [19:30] so that'll be good for next year [19:30] I'm talking about this year [19:30] convergence x apps installed from the app store, that's what popey means I think [19:30] popey: Yeah, the way I make Puritine is quick hackey. Just trying to give instructions in this channel is going to be frustrating at the very least. [19:30] mean time, wait for OTA-11 and the libertine scope and everything is *much* easier [19:30] I mean quite hackey [19:31] bregma: He wants to build his own bespoke container, package it in a click and make it available for folks to install. [19:31] popey: If X is the only requirement, that's just putting a key in your desktop file. But you'll need to deal with window management yourself. [19:31] I agree that providing documentation via irc is not ideal [19:31] I was kinda hoping a doc somewhere may exist which details how this might be done [19:31] I'm suggesting it's not a good idea, that's all [19:32] bregma: I agree [19:32] it's possible, it's just going to be painful [19:32] It's not documented for a reason :-) [19:32] Why is it not a good idea? [19:32] Indeed, painful. [19:32] Every time I ask this question I get handwavy "it's painful" and never an actual answer [19:32] which in itself, is painful [19:33] popey: Because I made up the whole stuff and it's a pain in the ass for me to make up the Puritine click. [19:33] for a start, the containers end up being huge and hard on my bandwidth costs [19:33] popey: Right, and what bregma just said. [19:33] I don't understand why you care what mine and my friends bandwidth costs are [19:34] popey: Because basically you're installing a full OS for one app. For each app. [19:34] I mean, it's nice of you. [19:34] tedg: thats a better answer :) [19:34] well, like I said, it's possible, just a matter of creating a container and slapping it in a click mostly [19:34] popey: Well, that is what is meant by "being huge". [19:35] still, if you use the libertine scope it will be that much easier [19:35] because at least that way the installed apps will surface and be launchable [19:35] I look forward to OTA-11 and this new functionality. [19:35] it will end all wars and we'll be home by Christmas [19:36] faenil: where is libertine container installed to? [19:36] can't remember, ogra_? [19:36] * faenil -> dinner [19:37] Sleep_Walker, when you create your own container it goes somewhere in ~/.cache [19:38] bregma: right, thanks! [19:38] Sleep_Walker: ~/.cache/libertine-container to be more exact [19:38] so the libertine scope, what will that be? [19:39] sebsebseb: It is a scope that will surface apps and icons in all defined containers and make them available to launch. [19:39] sebsebseb: No more having to use hacked up .desktop files. [19:40] sebsebseb, it searches your libertine containers for installed applications (or at least they .desktop files they bundle in their debs) and lets you launch them through XMir [19:40] ChrisTownsend: you mean a bit like say play on Linux, GUI wine thing? [19:40] ChrisTownsend: or Codeweavers ? [19:40] but yeah for [19:40] well not runing WIndow stuff :d [19:40] sebsebseb: Yeah, kind of like that. [19:41] should sort out the depdances etc icons etc [19:41] sebsebseb, it's a bit like the regular dash, except it finds debs instead of clicks and always launches XMir [19:41] and then voilla [19:41] can start having more of what programs are wanted, and easier? [19:41] sebsebseb, yes [19:41] so it will just search the normal repos for anything? [19:41] or selected stuff only? choosen packages? [19:41] sebsebseb: Only installed packages [19:42] sebsebseb: You will need to use the GUI or CLI to install packages in the container. [19:42] I want say program xyz it's in the Ubuntu repos the normal ones, I can get it? [19:42] sebsebseb, except finding and installing the programs is still going to be hard, because XMir is still very much pre-consumer and we expect a lot of problems with random packages [19:42] yes not everything will work in it, I reolise that [19:42] sebsebseb: Yes, you can use the Libertine GUI or the Libertine CLI, ie, not the Libertine Scope. [19:43] sebsebseb: But it will do an apt-get from the archive in the container. [19:43] there's a Linertine GUI app (the "top hat" app) to manage your containers and apps, but it's not like using the store [19:43] the libertine GUI will be like a package manager? like software centre or Synaptic etc? [19:44] sebsebseb: The GUI is the container manager, so you can create and delete containers, install and remove packages, etc. [19:44] there will be a consumer-friendly store scope for installing from the Ubuntu archives into a Libertine container, but not for a while [19:44] containers you mean like Wine? wine can have like different set ups for differnet programs [19:44] not until things like proper multi-window support and cut-and-paste are fully working [19:44] sebsebseb: It's a very, very simple package manager. You can enter the exact package name, or do a search which is based on apt-cache search. [19:44] sebsebseb, yes, multiple containers are possible [19:45] multiple set ups depending on program right ok [19:45] A container is like a bottle. [19:45] so it will be able to search for anything, but if the program installs and works or not that's just questionable [19:45] that was my undersatnidng all along with xmir, it's quite new, not all programs will work with it etc [19:46] or work properly [19:46] sebsebseb, most people do not share your understanding, so we're not making it easy for them [19:46] sebsebseb: Right, but some packages are broken in that they don't always pull in everything they depend on. [19:47] yep depdandancies hell ilke with normal distros in the past :D [19:47] not so mucn now [19:47] sebsebseb: A container is very minimal and some packages assume they are being installed on a full system. [19:47] Indeed! [19:47] package depdancies [19:47] so this GUI thing though [19:47] is it going to have like some trusted suggested packages in it? [19:47] and then if want to try something else search for it y9ourself [19:48] sebsebseb: Nope, it's blank the first time firing it up. You'll need to create a container and then explicitly install packages. [19:48] a libertine or whatever it's called container you mean? [19:48] sebsebseb: Yes a Libertine container. [19:49] what's purtine as well by the way? [19:49] sebsebseb, the Libertine "Store" should have suggested and featured packages, just Ubuntu SOftware does in Unity 7 right now [19:49] bregma: ok yeah that sounds good :) [19:49] sebsebseb, Puritine is a pre-packages Libertine container [19:49] so there will be two package managers really, one for native apps, and one for convergence apps [19:49] sebsebseb: Puritine a special custom curated Libertine container w/ 5 apps pre-installed for inclusion on convergence devices. [19:50] it was for demonstrating what can be done [19:50] ChrisTownsend: is that the one that's on the BQ tablet by default then purtine? [19:50] sebsebseb: Yes [19:50] rihght ok I got that then [19:50] since I got one of the tablets [19:50] that explaisn the hack a bit I think the linked to one [19:50] you basically edit purtine like that to do own stuff? [19:50] sebsebseb, a final step will be to merge the package managers into an aggregating scope, so one place to discover and install software [19:50] ChrisTownsend: so do i understand that a user will be able to use the scope to install -any- x app from tge archive? [19:50] *the [19:51]