[06:44] <mithun> hi. i got an aquaris e5 ubuntu touch. its my daily driver. how can i help the community make this thing suck less?
[06:58] <mcphail> mithun: file bug reports, create patches, make apps and scopes, write documentation
[06:59] <mithun> thanks mcphail. is there a list somewhere with things other people are thinking?
[07:02] <mcphail> mithun: theres a mailing list, and there was talk last week of producing a list of small bugs which could be easily tackled by the community
[07:04] <mithun> ah. found it now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute
[07:07] <mcphail> Lurking on here can be useful as well
[09:02] <daniman> Can i externally download a package and install it to my phone, or download from my computer then install it?
[09:02] <daniman> is there any mirror?
[09:02] <daniman> !mirror
[09:06] <popey> daniman: yes, you can
[09:07] <daniman> popey: how? is there any doc, sorry i am new for the phone version
[09:09] <popey> adb push foo.click /tmp
[09:09] <popey> adb shell
[09:09] <popey> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /tmp/foo.click
[09:09] <popey> Done.
[09:12] <daniman> popey: how?
[09:12] <popey> how what?
[09:13] <popey> oh, you timed out, I typed it above
[09:13] <daniman> yeah i was out, light went out lol
[09:13] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16373517/
[09:14] <daniman> popey: i don't think there is adb
[09:14] <daniman> there is adbd
[09:14] <popey> you run adb on your pc, not the phone
[09:14] <popey> to transfer the click to the phone
[09:15] <popey> or you could just wget the file directly on the phone and just use pkcon to install it
[09:15] <daniman> yeah i got it, but is there adb for the phone
[09:15] <daniman> The last time i checked it was adbd
[09:15]  * daniman <-- new for the phone
[09:16] <daniman> ok where can i download the packages?
[09:23] <daniman> !pkg mirror
[09:23] <daniman> !mirror
[09:38] <brunch875> Telegram now takes some time to open up a chat when tapping on a contact (as if it needed internet to do it). Am I the only experiencing this?
[09:39] <popey> brunch875: I don't think so.
[09:39] <jaywink> yeah noticed as well it drops to the chat list when clicking a notification and takes 2-3 secs to open the chat
[09:40] <brunch875> I'll test it a bit and then file a bug then
[09:41] <brunch875> I think this new behavior is so that it doesn't open an unrefreshed chat
[09:42] <brunch875> It must be a bit of a headache since the notifications aren't entirely synched up with the client
[09:48] <brunch875> Little question: I am on rc-proposed. Am I using a newer version than on stable? Or is the same telegram version rolled on all channels?
[09:48] <popey> same version
[09:48] <popey> it's a store-shipped click
[09:49] <brunch875> That's good to know!
[10:05] <brunch875> is there a simple way / srcipt to setup public key for phone ssh using adb?
[10:05] <brunch875> something like adb setup-ssh
[10:12] <davmor2> brunch875: phablet-shell
[10:13] <davmor2> brunch875: connect it to a pc enable developer mode and run phablet-shell
[10:13] <brunch875> is it like adb shell?
[10:14] <davmor2> brunch875: it will setup keys and copy them to your phone and pc so you can connect to it from ssh
[10:14] <brunch875> I can't use adb shell because I'm talking here with rndis :Þ
[10:14] <brunch875> Thanks, davmor2
[10:14] <brunch875> I'll do that at home so that I don't burn 50MB downloading phablet-tools
[11:21] <popey> My M10 arrived. It's got a european charger :(
[11:22] <davmor2> popey: :( that sucks
[11:24] <davmor2> popey: nice box though right?
[11:24] <seb128> those thing didn't happen while you were in the E.U
[11:24] <seb128> oh, wait
[11:24] <seb128> :-)
[11:24] <Smurphy> popey: it's Ok. I am in Europe :)
[11:27] <davmor2> popey: quick send Smurphy the plug it sounds like he needs it desperately :D
[11:27] <brunch875> popey: How unfortunate. Send it to me, I use european outlets :Þ
[11:27] <popey>  /join #brexit
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: see loads of people seem desperate for the plug you'll have no issues getting rid of it
[11:29] <popey> i notice it ships with OTA 9.5, not 10 or 10.1
[11:29] <popey> Also, can't sign in to U1 - "network error - please retry"
[11:29] <popey> nothing wrong with the network
[11:30] <davmor2> popey: bug is fixed it is because you need to add your one time only password
[11:30] <popey> wat
[11:30] <popey> how?
[11:30] <davmor2> scroll down the page
[11:31] <popey> there is no scroll down
[11:31] <davmor2> popey: should be
[11:31] <popey> nope
[11:32] <davmor2> have you slid the keyboard down?
[11:32] <popey> yes
[11:32] <davmor2> hmm pass then
[11:33] <davmor2> popey: for canonical people the network error was because it tried to connect and failed due to redirect to otp this is fixed in 11 whenever it is released
[11:33] <popey> no good for a customer OOBE on 9.5
[11:35] <davmor2> popey: we don't release it bq do and the factory ran with ota9.5 as that was what was available and new oobe didn't land till 10 hands are tied on that one
[11:50] <popey> davmor2: that issue can't be 2fa btw, I initially tried with a non-canonical account
[11:50] <popey> and it also failed
[11:51] <davmor2> popey: oh weird blame JamesTait bound to be his fault
[12:16] <aquiles> Hii
[12:16] <aquiles> Hello
[12:16] <davmor2> aquiles: hello
[12:44] <daniman> Where can i get the click pkgs?
[12:48] <pmcgowan> daniman, the app store ?
[12:49] <daniman> pmcgowan: yeah, i wanted to download from my pc the pkgs and install
[12:51] <mhall119> daniman: are you running Unity 8?
[12:52] <daniman> mhall119: in the touch?
[12:53] <mhall119> yes, touch runs Unity 8
[12:53] <mhall119> but Unity 8 also runs on  non-touch devices, with some work
[12:53] <mhall119> if that's what you've got running, the store scope is the easiest way to find, download, and install apps
[12:55] <daniman> Ok, i want to download the apps from my computer and i install them offline
[12:58] <daniman> is it impossible?
[13:02] <pmcgowan> not sure how to do that, popey ?
[13:03] <popey> daniman: we don't have an easy way to download clicks manually.
[13:04] <MasseR> daniman: out of curiosity what's your use case
[13:05] <daniman> MasseR: use case?
[13:05] <MasseR> How come you want to transfer and install the files manually instead of using the store
[13:05] <daniman> Connection problem lol
[13:07] <MasseR> I think you're gonna have a hard time using touch without connectivity :)
[13:08] <daniman> Yeah i had can get connections but currently using such things in from the sim card seems expensive
[13:08] <daniman> sorry for the grammer
[13:16] <MasseR> Yeah, I remember expensive mobile networks. 2007 I had something like 5€/20M
[13:16] <MasseR> Now I got unlimited 4G with ~7€/mo
[13:17] <brunch875> ¿Unlimited? ¿Where do you live?
[13:18] <brunch875> I pay 13€/mo for 500M
[13:18] <davmor2> pfff I get 20GB for £21
[13:19] <brunch875> I want unlimited, even if it's as slow as 100kb/s
[13:19] <brunch875> that way I don't need to 'avoid watching videos' or crap like that
[13:20] <MasseR> brunch875: finland
[13:20] <brunch875> Ah... the developed countries
[13:20] <MasseR> A while ago I used mobile data for netflix because it was faster than my landline :P
[13:21] <brunch875> here in spain we have to pay extra expensive taxes if we want to use our own solar energy
[13:21] <brunch875> there goes progress
[13:21] <MasseR> Same for us for electric vehicles
[13:21] <MasseR> Electric vehicles pay the diesel tax
[13:21] <brunch875> But I guess diesel vehicles also pay the diesel tax then
[13:21] <MasseR> yep
[13:22] <brunch875> nono, this tax I talk you about is exclusive to solar panels
[13:26] <JanC> brunch875: for using your own solar panels or for delivering the surplus to the network?
[13:26] <brunch875> Just for using them
[13:27] <brunch875> The surplus you revert to the network you have to do it for free, without getting any $$$
[13:27] <brunch875> and this is mandatory
[13:27] <brunch875> anyone caught with one of those big batteries gets some massive fine
[13:28] <brunch875> equivalent to having nuclear waste laying around your house
[13:29] <daniman> any background apps which uses data? i should disable for low data usage
[13:29] <brunch875> JanC: Just google for "sun tax". All results should point to spain :P
[13:30] <JanC> well, handling/controlling the surplus actually costs money to the distribution network, so there is a bit of logic in that at least
[13:32] <brunch875> The logic in these crazy laws is because all spanish politicians retire as counselors in energetic companies
[13:33] <pmcgowan> daniman, several of the default scopes reach out to the network so you may want to remove them, but we don't really allow apps to do background processing unless using a standard service
[13:33] <brunch875> corruption reeking everywhere
[13:34] <brunch875> Does the "desktop mode" on the tablet allow background apps?
[13:34] <daniman> pmcgowan: hmm which scopes? and if i don't start them should they connect automatically?
[13:34] <pmcgowan> daniman, they will initialize but not necessarily udate unless you ask them to by swiping, today nearby music video
[13:35] <pmcgowan> its not a lot but not sure how much you can tolerate
[13:36] <daniman> pmcgowan: How can i disable them with out removing them? Music Scope  fetch some music images without my permission
[13:36] <popey> davmor2: pmcgowan: what's the best channel for trying OTA-11 on frieza? ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris-pd.en is current channel.
[13:36] <popey> daniman: swipe up, un-favorite them
[13:37] <popey> (swipe up from the bottom that is)
[13:37] <pmcgowan> popey, yes thats the right channel if you want stable
[13:37] <pmcgowan> or same with rc-proposed
[13:37] <davmor2> popey: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en
[13:38] <popey> I thought I could do sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en
[13:38] <popey> but that fails
[13:38] <popey> is there some other non-ubuntu-device-flash way to do this?
[13:38] <popey> or do I just have to use udf?
[13:38] <daniman> popey: i got that, but in the there is this homescreen maybe which can not be removed that the music scope fetchs data
[13:38] <daniman> home*
[13:39] <popey> daniman: no, un-favorite them all, the only one left is the app scope
[13:40] <pmcgowan> daniman, or, go to the settings for each of the scopes and turn off the internet feeds
[13:40] <daniman> is it possible i didn't know!
[13:40] <pmcgowan> so for today scope toggle off bbc and other news sites but keep local info for example
[13:40] <daniman> anyother?
[13:42]  * popey flashes frieza
[13:44] <daniman> and the facebook apps uses a lots of data
[13:44] <daniman> is there any opera like browser for touch
[13:44] <daniman> or similar
[13:47] <pmcgowan> opera like?
[13:51] <daniman> any opera-like mini browser?
[13:54] <popey> davmor2: no
[13:54] <popey> dammit
[13:57] <popey> davmor2: pmcgowan seen this on frieza? location notification freaking out https://youtu.be/HlQA5it_fH4 https://youtu.be/8abo9WSqsLM
[13:58] <pmcgowan> popey, no but its been reported
[13:58] <davmor2> popey: nope
[13:58] <pmcgowan> popey, be nice if you could track it down, let me find the bug
[13:58] <popey> started with ota 10.1
[13:59] <pmcgowan> popey, this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1573674
[14:01] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I am updating frieza and ts taking a long time here, big ubuntu logo spins slowly
[14:02] <davmor2> pmcgowan: yeap it's a huge image don't forget
[14:02] <pmcgowan> it was indeed
[14:02] <davmor2> pmcgowan: around a 1gb in total
[14:03] <pmcgowan> was a 500MB update since 97
[14:04] <pmcgowan> davmor2, so 10 mins? more?
[14:05] <popey> pmcgowan: you wiping?
[14:05] <pmcgowan> no updating
[14:05] <pmcgowan> ota
[14:05] <davmor2> pmcgowan: takes as long as it takes 5-10 maybe
[14:05] <popey> because the only difference between when I had the location thing freak out and not, was i played with the location options in the wizard
[14:05] <popey> like, ticked each one in turn, then chose the top one finally.
[14:05] <popey> but with a clean OTA11 (rc-proposed) I didnt touch it, just left it default
[14:05] <pmcgowan> hmm
[14:05] <popey> and the location indicator is no longer freaking out
[14:06] <pmcgowan> could be a clue indeed
[14:06]  * popey leaves a note on the bug
[14:06] <pmcgowan> ok m10 rebooted
[16:46] <Ropax> Hello
[16:48] <davmor2> Ropax: hello
[16:48] <Ropax> Is there any option to install ubuntu touch on non-supported devices ???
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Ropax: port ubuntu-touch to a new device
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Ropax: or if the device is windows based, wait for unity8 to release and install ubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <Ropax> k
[16:51] <Ropax> thanks
[16:52] <Ropax> And one more question can I install ubuntu touch via windows Pc
[16:52] <Ropax> ???
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> Ropax: does your windows pc have touch support on screen?
[16:55] <davmor2> Ropax: no, ubuntu flashing tools are specific to ubuntu as far as I know
[16:55] <Ropax> ok
[16:55] <Ropax> thx
[16:57] <ogra_> you might be able to use a VM though ...
[16:57] <davmor2> ogra_: depends on usb throughput I guess but yes
[16:57] <ogra_> (if it properly handles USB ports)
[16:58] <ogra_> heh, snap
[17:14] <Yoanncooljazz> Is there a channel where we can try the miracast feature ?
[17:26] <Yoanncooljazz> Im impatient to try the miracast feature
[18:44] <Sleep_Walker> faenil: where I can find packages of Libertine project?
[18:45] <faenil> Sleep_Walker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[18:46] <faenil> Sleep_Walker: let me link you to a related ML thread
[18:46] <Sleep_Walker> I used apt on root filesystem in the past and got into trouble with firmware updates
[18:47] <Sleep_Walker> (yet I still don't get why it is so hard :)
[18:47] <ogra_> if you are on teh tablet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[18:48] <faenil> one thing at a time :)
[18:48] <faenil> ogra_: thanks that's what I was looking for :D
[18:48] <ogra_> :D
[18:48] <faenil> Sleep_Walker:  see ogra_'s link ^
[18:48]  * ogra_ posted it often enough to ubuntu-devel-discuss in the last days :P
[18:49] <faenil> haha
[18:51] <faenil> ogra_: do you have any recipe to avoid screwing the system on upgrades?
[18:51] <faenil> I never had any issue with it ..
[18:51] <ogra_> not really ... apart from "re-flash it"
[18:52] <Sleep_Walker> so why it is not just 'reflashed' by upgrade?
[18:52] <faenil> ogra_: no I mean, is there any way to install packages as if you were using a normal linux box and minimize the chance of issues on upgrades?
[18:52] <ogra_> if you use apt the package db and info as well as any manual changes you make to files get reverted with the OTA ... but the space doesnt get freed
[18:52] <Sleep_Walker> I can reinstall my packages later
[18:53] <ogra_> since the system expects a readonly setup the assumption is that there are no additional changes ... that the only way to apply the deltas cleanly
[18:53]  * ogra_ looks forward to snappy ... where you simply cant make the readonly bits writable ... that will solve so many probs
[18:53] <Sleep_Walker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine - I miss 'libertine-scope'
[18:54] <ogra_> you dont need the scope
[18:54] <ogra_> (it is a convenience thing)
[18:54] <faenil> Sleep_Walker: fyi, more info about upgrades at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades
[18:54] <ogra_> "libertine-container-manager install-package" also works on local debs you hand to it ...
[18:55] <ogra_> (beyond giving you the whole archive)
[18:57] <mcphail> ogra_: can't you "unsquashfs" a snap to make it writable?
[18:57] <ogra_> no
[18:57] <ogra_> only to unpack it  ...
[18:58] <mcphail> ok
[18:59] <ogra_> (beyond that snappy wouldnt let you use it if you re-packed it ... snaps are signed by the store)
[19:01]  * mcphail has spent too long guddling around in /opt/click... to see the immediate advantages...
[19:03] <ogra_> you will be able to  install snaps with the --devmode flag ... and you can tinker with them in an overlay bind-mount from the "snappy classic shell"
[19:03] <ogra_> i just dont think you can do that with the rootfs snap ...
[19:03] <mcphail> aah. Nice
[19:04] <ogra_> advantage -> random people wont follow random howtos from the web to trash their phones and require support to restore them ;)
[19:07] <tedg> mterry: So I have a silo with policykit-unity8 and accountsservice in it. How do I test the welcome screen issue?
[19:09]  * ogra_ sees the ubuntu-phone ML and dances 
[19:15]  * tedg didn't know ogra_ had so many ITAR restricted questions
[19:15] <sebsebseb> oh yeah this is where I should be as well
[19:15] <sebsebseb> this channel
[19:15]  * faenil pictures Sleep_Walker playing with libertine
[19:16] <sebsebseb> ah yes libertine to put own  programs on tablet
[19:16] <sebsebseb> how to do that anyway?
[19:20] <faenil> see previous link by ogra_
[19:21] <ogra_> faenil, he joined later ;)
[19:21] <ogra_> sebsebseb, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[19:22] <popey> is that for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the phone?
[19:22] <popey> What if I want to create my own app and upload to the click store>?
[19:22] <Sleep_Walker> faenil: well, I passed $ libertine-container-manager create --id vivid --type chroot --name 'Libertine Demo' and I'm waiting for result
[19:22] <ogra_> that is for fiddling with the libertine stuff on the tablet actually ...
[19:23] <ogra_> on the phone you wont have the tools installed by default
[19:23] <popey> Right, I didnt mean phone
[19:23] <Sleep_Walker> it looks like it prepares vivid chroot
[19:23] <popey> Forget I said phone.
[19:23]  * ogra_ forgets 
[19:23] <popey> My question is actually, how can I make my own click based on libertine to go to the store?
[19:24] <ogra_> popey, i would assume you actually upload to the archive ... (not sure how the libertine-scope works, but essentially it should only need a .desktop file and the knowledge which package to install)
[19:24] <popey> uh no
[19:24] <ogra_> i guess bregma or ChrisTownsend are your men
[19:24] <popey> gimp etc are in the store
[19:24] <popey> as a click
[19:24] <ogra_> the whole of them ?
[19:25] <popey> the ones that are on the tablet are inside a click
[19:25] <popey> the purtine/libertine thing
[19:25] <ogra_> thats different
[19:25] <popey> the missing thing for me is how that gets made
[19:25] <Sleep_Walker> faenil: the document ogra_ wrote relies on puritine and I don't seem to have it
[19:25] <tedg> popey: Generally, I don't think you want that, eh? To avoid porting it?
[19:25] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yeah I saw that before I am bit confuessed though
[19:25] <ogra_> purtine is the whole container with all apps inside
[19:25] <sebsebseb> ogra_: is everything there done in the terminal?
[19:25] <tedg> It is a read only chroot
[19:25] <sebsebseb> ogra_: also why do you have to nick say the gimp icon,  the gimp icon could then be used to actaully load up both gimp and inkscape?
[19:26] <tedg> popey: But for completeness the puritine building tools are in the libertine repo. It's done by Jenkins.
[19:26] <ChrisTownsend> What's the question?
[19:26] <ogra_> sebsebseb, no idea, i'm justa user in this case :)
[19:26] <sebsebseb> ogra_: and then it warns about stuff going wrong to,  what's the worst that could happen, and have you followed that guide?
[19:26] <tedg> ChrisTownsend: They want to build their own RO libertine containers like puritine.
[19:26] <ogra_> and ship them as click packages in the store
[19:26] <ogra_> (well, popey wants) :)
[19:27] <popey> I want to take random x app and make a click so i can put it on all my devices
[19:27] <popey> like what you have with firefox etc
[19:27] <popey> and my friend wants it to, so I thought I'd put it in the store
[19:27] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Well, it's not so simple.
[19:28] <bregma> popey, it's kind of like overseeding your friend's garden with zucchini
[19:28] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Currently, I build a huge deb in a non-virtual armhf PPA.
[19:28] <faenil> Sleep_Walker: you don't need puritine afaik. Puritine is only the container that is shipped with the M10 with the apps preinstalled
[19:28] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Then download that deb and extract it.
[19:28] <popey> ok, thats cool, i can do that
[19:28] <bregma> popey, you're better off just creating a libertine container on your device and the installing the debs into it
[19:28] <bregma> and for that, you want OTA-11
[19:29] <popey> I absolutely don't want to do that
[19:29] <sebsebseb> popey: oh you want the apps in a more native way yeah?
[19:29] <sebsebseb> not this hackey thing
[19:29] <popey> I would like to make the simple x app available to multiple people
[19:29] <popey> not as a command line hack on my tablet alone
[19:29] <sebsebseb> popey: indeed to that :)
[19:30] <bregma> popey, the other right thing to do is wait until snaps are supported on the phone, then usesnapcraft to build a libertine snap
[19:30] <popey> hahahah
[19:30] <popey> yeah, okay
[19:30] <popey> so that'll be good for next year
[19:30] <popey> I'm talking about this year
[19:30] <sebsebseb> convergence x apps  installed from the app store, that's what popey means I think
[19:30] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Yeah, the way I make Puritine is quick hackey.  Just trying to give instructions in this channel is going to be frustrating at the very least.
[19:30] <bregma> mean time, wait for OTA-11 and the libertine scope and everything is *much* easier
[19:30] <ChrisTownsend> I mean quite hackey
[19:31] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: He wants to build his own bespoke container, package it in a click and make it available for folks to install.
[19:31] <tedg> popey: If X is the only requirement, that's just putting a key in your desktop file. But you'll need to deal with window management yourself.
[19:31] <popey> I agree that providing documentation via irc is not ideal
[19:31] <popey> I was kinda hoping a doc somewhere may exist which details how this might be done
[19:31] <bregma> I'm suggesting it's not a good idea, that's all
[19:32] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: I agree
[19:32] <bregma> it's possible, it's just going to be painful
[19:32] <tedg> It's not documented for a reason :-)
[19:32] <popey> Why is it not a good idea?
[19:32] <ChrisTownsend> Indeed, painful.
[19:32] <popey> Every time I ask this question I get handwavy "it's painful" and never an actual answer
[19:32] <popey> which in itself, is painful
[19:33] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Because I made up the whole stuff and it's a pain in the ass for me to make up the Puritine click.
[19:33] <bregma> for a start, the containers end up being huge and hard on my bandwidth costs
[19:33] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Right, and what bregma just said.
[19:33] <popey> I don't understand why you care what mine and my friends bandwidth costs are
[19:34] <tedg> popey: Because basically you're installing a full OS for one app. For each app.
[19:34] <popey> I mean, it's nice of you.
[19:34] <popey> tedg: thats a better answer :)
[19:34] <bregma> well, like I said, it's possible, just a matter of creating a container and slapping it in a click mostly
[19:34] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Well, that is what is meant by "being huge".
[19:35] <bregma> still, if you use the libertine scope it will be that much easier
[19:35] <bregma> because at least that way the installed apps will surface and be launchable
[19:35] <popey> I look forward to OTA-11 and this new functionality.
[19:35] <bregma> it will end all wars and we'll be home by Christmas
[19:36] <Sleep_Walker> faenil: where is libertine container installed to?
[19:36] <faenil> can't remember, ogra_?
[19:36]  * faenil -> dinner
[19:37] <bregma> Sleep_Walker, when you create your own container it goes somewhere in ~/.cache
[19:38] <Sleep_Walker> bregma: right, thanks!
[19:38] <ChrisTownsend> Sleep_Walker: ~/.cache/libertine-container to be more exact
[19:38] <sebsebseb> so the libertine scope, what will that be?
[19:39] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: It is a scope that will surface apps and icons in all defined containers and make them available to launch.
[19:39] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: No more having to use hacked up .desktop files.
[19:40] <bregma> sebsebseb, it searches your libertine containers for installed applications (or at least they .desktop files they bundle in their debs) and lets you launch them through XMir
[19:40] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: you mean a bit like say play on Linux,  GUI wine thing?
[19:40] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: or Codeweavers ?
[19:40] <sebsebseb> but yeah for
[19:40] <sebsebseb> well not runing WIndow stuff :d
[19:40] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Yeah, kind of like that.
[19:41] <sebsebseb> should sort out the depdances etc icons etc
[19:41] <bregma> sebsebseb, it's a bit like the regular dash, except it finds debs instead of clicks and always launches XMir
[19:41] <sebsebseb> and  then voilla
[19:41] <sebsebseb> can start having more of what programs are wanted, and easier?
[19:41] <bregma> sebsebseb, yes
[19:41] <sebsebseb> so it will just search the normal repos for anything?
[19:41] <sebsebseb> or  selected stuff only? choosen packages?
[19:41] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Only installed packages
[19:42] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: You will need to use the GUI or CLI to install packages in the container.
[19:42] <sebsebseb> I want say program xyz  it's in the Ubuntu repos the normal ones, I can get it?
[19:42] <bregma> sebsebseb, except finding and installing the programs is still going to be hard, because XMir is still very much pre-consumer and we expect a lot of problems with random packages
[19:42] <sebsebseb> yes not everything will work in it, I reolise that
[19:42] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Yes, you can use the Libertine GUI or the Libertine CLI, ie, not the Libertine Scope.
[19:43] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: But it will do an apt-get from the archive in the container.
[19:43] <bregma> there's a Linertine GUI app (the "top hat" app) to manage your containers and apps, but it's not like using the store
[19:43] <sebsebseb> the libertine GUI will be like a package manager?  like software centre or Synaptic etc?
[19:44] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: The GUI is the container manager, so you can create and delete containers, install and remove packages, etc.
[19:44] <bregma> there will be a consumer-friendly store scope for installing from the Ubuntu archives into a Libertine container, but not for a while
[19:44] <sebsebseb> containers you mean like Wine?  wine can have like different set ups for differnet programs
[19:44] <bregma> not until things like proper multi-window support and cut-and-paste are fully working
[19:44] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: It's a very, very simple package manager.  You can enter the exact package name, or do a search which is based on apt-cache search.
[19:44] <bregma> sebsebseb, yes, multiple containers are possible
[19:45] <sebsebseb> multiple set ups depending on program right ok
[19:45] <ChrisTownsend> A container is like a bottle.
[19:45] <sebsebseb> so it will be able to search for anything, but if the program installs and works or not that's just questionable
[19:45] <sebsebseb> that was my undersatnidng all along with xmir, it's quite new,  not all programs will work with it etc
[19:46] <sebsebseb> or work properly
[19:46] <bregma> sebsebseb, most people do not share your understanding, so we're not making it easy for them
[19:46] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Right, but some packages are broken in that they don't always pull in everything they depend on.
[19:47] <sebsebseb> yep depdandancies hell ilke with normal distros in the past :D
[19:47] <sebsebseb> not so mucn now
[19:47] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: A container is very minimal and some packages assume they are being installed on a full system.
[19:47] <ChrisTownsend> Indeed!
[19:47] <sebsebseb> package depdancies
[19:47] <sebsebseb> so this GUI thing though
[19:47] <sebsebseb> is it going to have like some trusted suggested packages in it?
[19:47] <sebsebseb> and then if want to try something else search for it y9ourself
[19:48] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Nope, it's blank the first time firing it up.  You'll need to create a container and then explicitly install packages.
[19:48] <sebsebseb> a libertine or whatever it's called container you mean?
[19:48] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Yes a Libertine container.
[19:49] <sebsebseb> what's purtine as well by the way?
[19:49] <bregma> sebsebseb, the Libertine "Store" should have suggested and featured packages, just Ubuntu SOftware does in Unity 7 right now
[19:49] <sebsebseb> bregma: ok yeah that sounds good :)
[19:49] <bregma> sebsebseb, Puritine is a pre-packages Libertine container
[19:49] <sebsebseb> so there will be two package managers really, one for native apps, and one for convergence apps
[19:49] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Puritine a special custom curated Libertine container w/ 5 apps pre-installed for inclusion on convergence devices.
[19:50] <bregma> it was for demonstrating what can be done
[19:50] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: is that the one that's on the BQ tablet by default then purtine?
[19:50] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Yes
[19:50] <sebsebseb> rihght ok I got that then
[19:50] <sebsebseb> since I got one of the tablets
[19:50] <sebsebseb> that explaisn the hack a bit I think the linked to one
[19:50] <sebsebseb> you basically edit purtine like that to do own stuff?
[19:50] <bregma> sebsebseb, a final step will be to merge the package managers into an aggregating scope, so one place to discover and install software
[19:50] <popey> ChrisTownsend: so do i understand that a user will be able to use the scope to install -any- x app from tge archive?
[19:50] <popey> *the
[19:51] <bregma> popey, yes
[19:51] <ChrisTownsend> popey: No, not the Libertine Scope.
[19:51] <popey> hahah
[19:51] <popey> yes/no
[19:51] <popey> pick only one
[19:51] <ChrisTownsend> popey: It's only for surfacing apps and making them launchable.
[19:51] <bregma> popey, you can do that today from the Libertine GUI app
[19:51] <ChrisTownsend> Libertine GUI != Libertine Scope
[19:51] <mhall119> popey: http://blog_uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/screenshot20160506_105618896.png is the libertine GUI app searching the archives
[19:51] <sebsebseb> yeah the scope is for displaying what's installed like a menu I guess :d
[19:52] <sebsebseb> and  Libertine GUI is for installing or the command line way
[19:52] <bregma> popey, there's the Libertine Scope for surafcing and launching installed apps (coming for OTA-11), and a Libertine Store scope for discovering and installing apps (somewhere down the pipe)
[19:52] <popey> gotcha
[19:52] <bregma> "Store" might be a misnomer, I don;t think it's supposed to support paid apps
[19:53] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: When OTA11 is released, it will be much easier to create your own container along side the Puritine container.
[19:53] <mhall119> Libertine Apt Scope
[19:53] <sebsebseb> bregma: Libertuine GUI may not be in OTA 11?
[19:53] <popey> how does one get libertine app that mhall119 just linked to?
[19:53] <mhall119> would be the most accurate way to describe it
[19:53] <mhall119> popey: apt-get install libertine libertine-scope
[19:53] <popey> on a tablet
[19:53] <popey> not desktop
[19:53] <bregma> popey, sebsebseb the Libertine GUI is only available as a deb right now
[19:53] <popey> ok
[19:53] <bregma> because, well, for reasons
[19:53] <popey> heh
[19:53] <mhall119> enable writable system partition, apt-get install libertine libertine-scope
[19:53] <popey> nope
[19:53] <popey> not making my tablet writable :)
[19:54] <popey> I'm a user! :)
[19:54] <ChrisTownsend> Ya, still a little rough around the edges:)
[19:54] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: bregma and then as a side thing get copy and paste between programs working and using without a phsyicall keyboard to and yep convergene is better :)
[19:54] <mhall119> popey: re-package libertine as a click, upload to store, install libertine app
[19:54] <popey> mhall119: welcome to where we came in :)
[19:54] <mhall119> dammit
[19:55] <sebsebseb> popey: you really don't want to do the earleir linked to hack for purtine though?
[19:55] <popey> no
[19:55] <popey> I'm using this tablet as a user
[19:55] <bregma> the Libertine GUI is a QML app, so it can just be packaged as a click
[19:55] <sebsebseb> popey: whhy not, since you want something more native?
[19:55] <popey> I don't want to do hacky things on it
[19:55] <sebsebseb> ah right I see
[19:55] <sebsebseb> worried someting will go wrong?
[19:55] <popey> I have other devices for that
[19:55] <popey> no, I just dont want to do things a normal user wouldn't do
[19:55] <ChrisTownsend> Yep, Libertine GUI is most definitely click-able.
[19:56] <sebsebseb> why's that this time?
[19:56] <mhall119> like use a first-gen Ubuntu tablet?
[19:56] <sebsebseb> mhall119:  h e h :d
[19:56] <sebsebseb> mhall119: actsaully I think a normal user if the fan boys count as normal users, the kind on om g ubuntu I mean :d,  then sure they would use it already h eh :d
[19:56] <sebsebseb> quite a few
[19:56] <mhall119> ChrisTownsend: what about things like the libertine-lxc-manager can that be delivered via click?
[19:57] <mhall119> or would some things need to go into the system-image?
[19:57] <ChrisTownsend> mhall119: libertine-lxc-manager is really only for the desktop, so a click is unnecessary.
[19:57] <sebsebseb> popey: what will you us the tablet for :d
[19:57] <bregma> mhall119, we're better off having the libertine tools (no GUI) in the system image, along with XMir
[19:57] <mhall119> oh, it's not needed on phablets?
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> mhall119: LXC is not on devices.
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> mhall119: Nope
[19:58] <mhall119> oh, ok
[19:58] <popey> sebsebseb: what everyone uses tablets for
[19:58] <sebsebseb> what is a phablet really, I think I looked that up before, but didn't quite find out
[19:58] <popey> big phone
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> phone+tablet
[19:58] <mhall119> sebsebseb: phone+tablet
[19:58] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[19:58] <sebsebseb> oh
[19:58] <mhall119> really, the range of devices that go from phone to tablet
[19:59] <sebsebseb> and sure the bq tablet is basically ubuntu phone on a big thing
[19:59] <sebsebseb> ,but  can it do calls?
[19:59] <bregma> sebsebseb, "phablet" is a portmanteau, a fake word made up to describe something new
[19:59] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[20:00] <sebsebseb> I see and yeah I knew it was a well tech term at least :d
[20:00] <sebsebseb> not so much a made up word
[20:00] <sebsebseb> anyway so OTA 11 is in about three months?
[20:00] <pmcgowan> no couple weeks
[20:01] <sebsebseb> really only two weeks?
[20:01] <sebsebseb> well I suppoues 10 was the other month
[20:01] <pmcgowan> we plan for every 6 weeks, it slipped a week this time
[20:02] <sebsebseb> 6 weeks or about and a OTA ok :)
[20:02] <sebsebseb> why are things based on 15.04  I seen certian tablet reievws mentiong that even
[20:02] <sebsebseb> plus I noticed that the putine stuff is from 14.04 even or so it seems
[20:02] <popey> I look forward to being able to install hexchat ㋛
[20:03] <sebsebseb> popey: h eh yeah and I remember that chat the other day
[20:04] <bregma> popey, after some bugfixes in OTA-11 land, you can do that from the command line
[20:04] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: puritine is based on 15.04 (vivid)
[20:04] <pmcgowan> there was an ABI break in 15.10 so we stayed on 0 longer
[20:04] <pmcgowan> 04 that is
[20:04] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: ok, but why not 15.10  at least then?
[20:05] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: The container really should match the host's release or there are problems, particularly if the container is newer than the host.
[20:05] <popey> this is all quite exciting stuff. good work chaps! :)
[20:05] <sebsebseb> the host as in the version of Ubuntu touch you mean?
[20:05] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: I tried to get Wily to run in the container on the phone and it simply did not work.
[20:05] <sebsebseb> but why is Ubuntu touch based on 15.04 as well?
[20:06] <sebsebseb> popey: it is yeah
[20:06] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Yes, Ubuntu Touch version.
[20:06] <pmcgowan> sebsebseb, there was a new gcc in 15.10 that changed ABI
[20:06] <ChrisTownsend> popey: Thanks
[20:06] <sebsebseb> yes I know what gcc is or have enough of an idea,  ABI  on the other hand sounds familur, but I am thinking what's that
[20:07] <pmcgowan> so we could not maintain compatibility for apps and scopes and such easily
[20:07] <pmcgowan> the interface for binaries
[20:08] <sebsebseb> 15.10 would have changed to much without little gain basically, so Ubuntu touch for now is still based on 15.04 basically?
[20:08] <mhall119> 15.04 + an PPA that brings in newer components for the phone
[20:08] <mhall119> well, phone, tablet, Unity 8 in general, etc
[20:09] <sebsebseb> yep I know it runs some later software than the actsual desktop 15.04, Unity 8 for example
[20:09] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Making a bunch of folks recompile their apps and scopes is not what we wanted to do.
[20:10] <sebsebseb> ChrisTownsend: well yeah unless with good enough reason
[20:10] <ChrisTownsend> sebsebseb: Exactly
[20:10] <sebsebseb> some people think it will soon be based on 16.04,  but will it?
[20:10] <pmcgowan> yes, for some definition of soon
[20:10] <sebsebseb> uhmm  I don't know three months?
[20:11]  * mhall119 flashes his phones for OSCON
[20:11] <mhall119> this convergence demo is going to be awesome
[20:12] <sebsebseb> mhall119: why?
[20:12] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:12] <sebsebseb> whih convergence demo?
[20:12] <mhall119> sebsebseb: because I haven't updated them since SCaLE in January
[20:12] <sebsebseb> so your staritng over factory reset?
[20:12] <mhall119> sebsebseb: with the new dynamic scaling in Unity 8, hot-plugging/unplugging from a monitor will work well
[20:13] <mhall119> sebsebseb: on my demo phones, yes
[20:13] <mhall119> not my daily-use phone
[20:13] <sebsebseb> what is your demo phone?
[20:13] <mhall119> that one gets updates almost daily
[20:13] <mhall119> sebsebseb: they're all Nexus 4
[20:13] <sebsebseb> mhall119: why no acstaul offical Ubuntu touch hardware, since it's a bit harder to get in USA generally or can be, and  doens't work so well with the US networks?
[20:14] <mhall119> sebsebseb: because I have these Nexus 4s already, and because they have hardware video out support
[20:14] <sebsebseb> video out to a T?
[20:14] <sebsebseb> TV?
[20:14] <mhall119> sebsebseb: to anything with HDMI input
[20:15] <mhall119> popey: are you bringing any commercial devices?
[20:15] <sebsebseb> popey: mhall119 maybe not that sat on one :d
[20:20] <popey> mhall119: eh?
[20:20] <popey> mhall119: oh, next week.
[20:21] <mhall119> popey: was wondering if you had any Bq or Meizu devices you're bringing, other then the M10 (which I'm just assuming you're bringing)
[20:21] <popey> I'll have 2x bq e4.5, 1x bq m10
[20:21] <popey> mx4 is still broken
[20:21] <popey> i should pack
[20:21] <popey> getting picked up in 12 hours
[20:21] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I might try that hack  soon :d
[20:22] <sebsebseb> popey: mhall119 OSCON is one of the US events I think
[20:22] <sebsebseb> popey: off to the US again?
[20:22] <mhall119> popey: see you tomorrow then
[20:22] <mhall119> sebsebseb: yes, in Texas this year
[20:22] <sebsebseb> popey: Canonical paying for you to go :d ?
[20:22] <popey> i should hope so
[20:22] <mhall119> sebsebseb: well he's working, so yes
[20:23] <sebsebseb> popey: mhall119 what you guys going to do at OSCON?  run an Ubuntu stand?
[20:23] <popey> Really looking forward to this week. Gonna be super busy
[20:23] <mhall119> sebsebseb: yes, also attending community leadership summit and having a team sprint, we'll be busy
[20:23] <sebsebseb> mhall119: popey  he h no video q a on Tuesday I guess :D
[20:24]  * mhall119 is wondering if he can get a backpack with a laptop, tablet, 2 phones, a bluetooth keyboard and 2 wireless mice through airport security
[20:24] <mhall119> 3 phones, my personal one will be in there as well
[20:24] <sebsebseb> mhall119: yeah probably unless TSA go after geeks now :d
[20:24] <mhall119> I encountered a TSA agent who was quite fond of Red Hat one trip
[20:25] <sebsebseb> oh nice :)
[20:25] <mhall119> thought for sure I was going to get the "enhanced screening" for wearing my Ubuntu shirt
[20:25] <mhall119> oh, hey, the first-boot screens have changed
[20:25] <mhall119> a *lot*
[20:25] <mhall119> these are lovely
[20:25] <sebsebseb> yes it's like Desktop Ubuntu
[20:25] <sebsebseb> been like that for a while
[20:26] <sebsebseb> Plymouth type thing
[20:26] <sebsebseb> that's what you mean I assume to
[20:26] <mhall119> sebsebseb: no, I mean the setup wizard
[20:26] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:26] <mhall119> I see the bootsplash often enough on my own phone, but haven't done a new setup in a while
[20:27] <mhall119> oh, I can give it a name now?
[20:27] <sebsebseb> popey: 16th May to 19th OSCON,  so your going a bit earlier to spend time with mhall119  then :d  special time
[20:28] <mhall119> sebsebseb: CLS is 14 & 15
[20:28] <sebsebseb> and to adjust to the time zone maybe
[20:29] <sebsebseb> oh there's another one first
[20:29] <sebsebseb> CLS? what's that?
[20:30] <mhall119> sebsebseb: http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/
[20:30] <sebsebseb> JOno at that one
[20:30] <popey> it is indeed quite handy to stream the tablet to your laptop http://imgur.com/oPD7qVV :)
[20:30] <sebsebseb> mhall119: that was just coincidence at same kind of place or?
[20:31] <mhall119> sebsebseb: no, it's been co-hosted with OSCON before
[20:31] <popey> mhall119: the first boot screens are great, until you get to the location one
[20:31] <sebsebseb> popey: how did you streame tablet to lap top?
[20:31] <popey> sorry, timezone
[20:31] <mhall119> popey: because you can't go back after that
[20:31] <mhall119> ?
[20:31] <popey> sebsebseb: shell script
[20:31] <popey> http://popey.imgur.com/all/
[20:32] <sebsebseb> what's the script I guess :D
[20:32] <popey> bah
[20:32] <mhall119> what's wrong with the timezone screen?
[20:32] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/aFZC2in.jpg
[20:32] <popey> the map, osx and purple banner take a lot of room
[20:32] <popey> with the osx overlapping the map
[20:32] <mhall119> oh, it looks fine on a phone :)
[20:32] <popey> so you cant actually see it
[20:32] <popey> hah
[20:32] <sebsebseb> for some reason my tablet thinks I am in London after first set up which is not the case, but I will be re setting up soonish anyway, but I wonder what had happended there
[20:32] <popey> I'll bring these two with me http://imgur.com/SNy4nIX
[20:33] <popey> yeah, mine thinks I'm in london, pull down refresh changes that
[20:33] <popey> I wonder if I can stream my tablet directly to twitch or youtube
[20:33] <popey> should be possible
[20:33] <sebsebseb> popey: pull down refresth changes it where?  I looked for some kind of changing optoin but coudnt' seem to find
[20:33] <popey> in the nearby scope for example
[20:34] <sebsebseb> it's up staris right now, but I'll have to take a look at that
[20:34] <sebsebseb> which phones are those two?  they both look black and yeah :d
[20:34] <popey> both e4.5
[20:35] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[20:35] <sebsebseb> popey: when you going back from USA?
[20:35] <popey> next week
[20:35] <sebsebseb> day after event?  OSCON?
[20:36] <sebsebseb> popey: no proper tourist day :D on Canonical's money h eh
[20:36] <sebsebseb> ?
[20:36] <popey> nah
[20:36] <sebsebseb> back day after, or last day of event?
[20:36] <popey> yeah, back after oscon
[20:37] <popey> mhall119: have you seen there's a telegram snap in the store now?
[20:37] <sebsebseb> popey: on the same day would suck though, since your in well quite a time zone differnece
[20:37] <popey> its an overnight flight back from us
[20:37] <popey> so sleepy sleepington
[20:37] <sebsebseb> but I suppouse can sleepon plane sure
[20:38] <popey> some of the app names in the snap store are fun
[20:38] <popey> sudo                   1                        not sudo
[20:38] <sebsebseb> the snap store for desktop?  not used that
[20:38] <sebsebseb> or did  you mean touch?
[20:39] <popey> desktop
[20:39] <popey> right, off to pack... ttfn
[20:39] <sebsebseb> yeah  not on 16.04 yet
[20:39] <sebsebseb> popey: ok have fun in USA etc :)
[20:39] <mhall119> popey: no, is it the desktop app or the Ubuntu SDK one?
[20:56] <popey> mhall119: desktop
[20:57] <mhall119> ah, I want to see our version gain convergence layouts
[20:58] <mhall119> popey: is there a way to get the dark theme back for the file manager?
[20:59] <popey> install an old click
[20:59] <popey> patches welcome
[20:59] <popey> trolololo
[21:00] <mhall119> I'll file bugs, that's almost as good as a patch right?
[21:00] <popey> no
[21:00] <popey> lets work on this next week :)
[21:00] <popey> I'll patch if you help :)
[21:00] <mhall119> I might be up for that
[21:00] <mhall119> as long as it's in the QML parts
[21:00] <popey> yes
[21:00] <popey> +1
[21:00] <popey> ^5
[21:01] <mhall119> but, keyboard shortcuts in the terminal first
[21:01] <mhall119> because using the mouse is killing me
[21:01] <popey> +1
[21:01] <popey> deal
[21:06]  * mhall119 files bugs
[21:47] <mhall119> sergiusens: is your telegram snap fully confined?
[21:47] <mhall119> (other than X11 that is)
[21:47] <sergiusens> mhall119 yes
[21:48] <mhall119> \o/
[21:48] <mhall119> and does the unity7 plug/slot thing mean you don't have to bundle all the runtime dependencies that are already installed?
[21:48] <sergiusens> mhall119 it is missing some things though; it doesn't open urls (there's a snapd bug open for that) and there is no menu (lacking interface support)
[21:48] <sergiusens> I am living fine without that
[21:48] <sergiusens> but not using it even as I am working from my bq m10 now
[21:49] <mhall119> menus require a snap interface?
[21:49] <mhall119> sergiusens: well, you have the telegram click for your M10 :)
[21:49] <sergiusens> mhall119 not menus per se, app indicator icon menus
[21:49] <mhall119> oh, those, ok
[21:49] <sergiusens> mhall119 yeah, but I get left out on the super group channels :-P
[21:49] <mhall119> they need something separate from the unity7 interface?
[21:50] <sergiusens> have plenty of those now
[21:50] <sergiusens> mhall119 the unity7 interface needs to be expended to support that
[21:51] <mhall119> ok
[21:53] <ahoneybun> yay video recording is fixed on the N7
[21:53] <ahoneybun> boo playing it from the Video Scope will reboot the device
[21:54] <ahoneybun> mm even file manager
[21:55]  * ahoneybun wonders about filing a bug 
[21:57] <ahoneybun> mhall119 any idea where to file it?
[21:57] <ahoneybun> there is no bug about video in camera on LP
[21:57] <ahoneybun> so maybe Media Player?
[22:00] <ahoneybun> mm even Gallery reboots the tablet when trying to play the video
[22:02] <ahoneybun> who can I talk to about clearing some bugs out of there
[22:02] <ahoneybun> there is one from 2013 about the OG N7
[22:08] <ahoneybun> so it is any MP4 file
[22:23] <mhall119> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediaplayer-app/+filebug?no_redirect
[22:23] <mhall119> you might also ping jhodapp when he's around about it, in case it's a gstreamer thing
[22:23] <ahoneybun> mhall119 got it from that Avengers page :)
[22:23] <ahoneybun> have the report made but updating to the latest image to see if there are any changes
[22:24] <ahoneybun> I see they jumped from 434 to 436
[22:27] <ahoneybun> damn this update is slow
[22:39] <ahoneybun> mhall119 bug report not needed
[22:44] <mhall119> ahoneybun: did the upgrade fix it?
[22:44] <ahoneybun> yea Media Player plays the recording
[22:44] <ahoneybun> but my MP4 did not play though
[22:45] <ahoneybun> another file not the video I recoreded
[22:45] <ogra_> just use VLC :P
[22:45] <ahoneybun> the built in tools should work
[22:46] <ogra_> definitely (i wasnt serious ... while VLC works, it isnt accelerated ... closer to a slideshow ...)
[22:46] <ahoneybun> yea
[22:46] <ahoneybun> I don't have libertine or anything working on this
[22:46] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediaplayer-app/+bug/1581242
[22:47] <ahoneybun> ohhhh links work in Synergy
[22:47] <ahoneybun> shared clipboard, nice!
[22:52] <ahoneybun> mm how does Libertine work...
[22:53] <ogra_> very nicely
[22:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: you need to install libertine and libertine-scope from the archives
[22:53] <ogra_> not if he runs ubuntu-pd
[22:53] <ahoneybun> yea -scope is not on the repos for me yet
[22:53] <ogra_> (and you dont need -scope)
[22:54] <ahoneybun> also need some other deb that I don't have
[22:54] <ahoneybun> maybe the arm one
[22:54] <ogra_> if you are on the -pd image libertine-container image is installed
[22:54] <ogra_> err
[22:54] <ogra_> libertine-container-manager
[22:54] <ogra_> ahoneybun, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[22:54] <ahoneybun> ogra_ don't think there is one for the N7
[22:54] <ogra_> no need to tinker with the system that way ...
[22:55] <ogra_> there is definitely oone for the N7
[22:55] <ogra_> i used it before i got the M10
[22:55] <ahoneybun> sweet
[22:55] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd/
[22:55] <ogra_> there is a flo build
[22:56] <ogra_> (note that it has the tools but no container preinstalled ... you need to follow the gdoc above to get a container and install apps in it)
[22:57] <ahoneybun> I wish bluetooth working more often
[22:57] <ogra_> invest in an M10 ... the HW support is classes better than for the N7
[22:58] <ahoneybun> I just saw that
[22:58] <ahoneybun> ogra_ kinda silly to get new hardware
[22:59] <ahoneybun> I don't have the money for that
[22:59] <ogra_> yeah
[23:01] <ahoneybun> mm I don't have com.ubuntu.prutine or whaever
[23:02] <ogra_> you only need libertine
[23:02] <bregma> ahoneybun, you don't need puritine, just the libertine tools
[23:02] <ogra_> ah, there is the boss :)
[23:02] <ahoneybun> but that guide says purtine
[23:03] <ogra_> what guide ?
[23:03] <ogra_> (not the one i linnked)
[23:03] <ahoneybun> yep
[23:03] <ogra_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[23:03] <ahoneybun> the one you gave
[23:03] <ogra_> oh
[23:03] <ogra_> yeah, ignore that ...
[23:03] <ogra_> you obviously dont need to remove the config if you dont have it
[23:04]  * ogra_ assumes libertine-container-manager will just create it when you run it)
[23:04] <ahoneybun> well I started from the top[
[23:04] <ogra_> right, it is for the M10 ...
[23:04] <ogra_> assuming you have the preinstalled bits
[23:04] <ogra_> whihc the N7 image doesnt
[23:05] <ahoneybun> I did
[23:05] <ahoneybun> trying to make a container
[23:05] <ahoneybun> *trying
[23:05] <ogra_> good luck :)
[23:06] <ahoneybun> says I have no container
[23:06] <ahoneybun> lol
[23:06] <bregma> ahoneybun, if you're using an N7, make sure you have the python3-libertine-chroot package installed
[23:06] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:06] <ahoneybun> add as a dep please :)
[23:07] <bregma> can't add it as a dep because it's only for some hardware and not others
[23:08] <ahoneybun> mm something broken when installing that
[23:08] <ahoneybun> updating to see what happened
[23:08] <ahoneybun> I don't think apt upgrade will be good for OTAs
[23:09] <ahoneybun> yay
[23:10] <ahoneybun> the heck is ID?
[23:10] <ahoneybun> libertine-container-manager create asks for -i/--id bregma
[23:10] <ogra_> lol
[23:11] <ogra_> libertine-container-manager create -i puritine2 -n "Puritine 2" -t chroot -d vivid --force
[23:11] <ogra_> -i
[23:11] <bregma> I haven't been asked for ID for years
[23:11] <bregma> ahoneybun, you need to give your container a unique identifier, one that can be used as a directory name in the filesystem (so, no '/' character)
[23:12] <ogra_> -i/--id is the id of the container you create
[23:12] <bregma> you don't need to specify "-t chroot" or "-d vivid" it's smart enough to do the right thing by default
[23:13] <ahoneybun> a name?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> what do I name it?
[23:13] <ogra_> oh, sisnce when ?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> like -i wise
[23:13] <ogra_> (it didnt when i created my last contaainer=
[23:13] <ogra_> -i ahoneybun-funny-container-foo
[23:13] <ogra_> just pick one ...
[23:14] <bregma> ogra_, the latest version in the archives has a whole lot of fixes, ready for OTA-11
[23:14] <ogra_> ah, i'm on stable ... so still OTA10
[23:15] <bregma> I wonder of we should look at autogenerating some unique random ID
[23:15]  * ogra_ tries the "true experience"
[23:15] <ogra_> yeah
[23:15] <bregma> I'd hate to have to type all those random characters while testing though
[23:15] <ahoneybun> I'm on r436 now
[23:15] <ogra_> well
[23:15] <ahoneybun> rc-proposed
[23:15] <ahoneybun> not my phone so
[23:15] <ogra_> and you would have a prob to install multiple packkages in the same container
[23:15] <ahoneybun> till mariogrip gets a update out lol
[23:15] <ahoneybun> maybe
[23:15] <ogra_> if you cant memorize the name
[23:16] <bregma> the GUI works for that, no need to memorize
[23:16] <bregma> also, I ssh into everything
[23:16] <ogra_> so probably not random ... but iterating number suffix or so
[23:17] <bregma> originally I had a default ID of the distro name plus an increasing suffix, I think that code got replaced at some point
[23:18] <bregma> then again, originally I was installing Debian sid in the container because there wasn't a core Ubuntu to use yet
[23:19] <bregma> I don't think that would even work any more
[23:19] <ogra_> oh ?
[23:19] <bregma> been toying with this thing for a long time
[23:19] <bregma> it might work,
[23:19] <ogra_> oh, 15.04 ...
[23:20] <ogra_> yeah, ubuntu-core tarballs for that might be gone indeed
[23:21] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: update, me? :P the server should handle that
[23:21] <ogra_> in general they are under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/
[23:21] <mariogrip> #evertthingautomated :P
[23:21] <ahoneybun> mariogrip kinda hard to move from Android with this Android Wear though
[23:22] <mariogrip> oh, im working on some magic there too, i miss my moto 360
[23:22] <ahoneybun> oh boy!
[23:22] <ahoneybun> I have a Moto 360 now as well
[23:22] <mariogrip> awesome :D
[23:23] <ahoneybun> want to try something with my Nexus mariogrip?
[23:23] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: what?
[23:23] <ahoneybun> video works on my N7 now so Hangouts!
[23:24] <ahoneybun> making a chroot atm
[23:24] <mariogrip> sure :P call me when you want to test it out :P
[23:25] <ogra_> (was "ubuntu-core" til last week... just got renamed to -base)
[23:25] <ogra_> slangasek, wow, you renamed the old ubuntu-core tarballs retroactively ?
[23:25]  * ogra_ wonders how many peoples scripts will break :) 
[23:26] <ahoneybun> XD
[23:26] <patwest> Is there a way to play video form the sd card without it copying the movie to the internal storage?
[23:27] <mariogrip> ogra_: what? why is ubuntu-core renamed?
[23:27] <ogra_> mariogrip, to solve naming confusion with snappy
[23:28] <ogra_> patwest, if you use the video scope it doesnt get copied around
[23:28] <ogra_> iirc thats just an issue when using the file manager
[23:28] <patwest> I see, I will have to try that
[23:28] <Acou_Bass> ahoneybun: which browser does it work in?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> default
[23:28] <mariogrip> oh so it's not the ubuntu-core (snappy iot version) that is renamed ogra_
[23:28] <ahoneybun> Acou_Bass
[23:28] <mariogrip> right?
[23:29] <ogra_> no, the way older ubuntu-core tarball
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> ohh cool, when i tried it in default browser it said i needed a plugin... is this an rc build or something?
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> sorry ive only just gotten here and joined the conversation =)
[23:29] <mariogrip> ok :)
[23:29] <ogra_> (that exists since years ... but with snappy ubuntu core that became confusing)
[23:29] <ahoneybun> Acou_Bass I'm on rc-proposed
[23:29] <Acou_Bass> ahh
[23:29] <ahoneybun> don't think it is in OTA10
[23:30] <ahoneybun> will be in OTA11 for sure though
[23:30] <Acou_Bass> sweet, ill wait for OTA then hee
[23:30] <patwest> Has anyone gotten 128GB sd cards working on a BQ M10?
[23:30] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: could you try a app for me on your tablet when you have time?
[23:31] <ahoneybun> mariogrip of course
[23:31] <ahoneybun> damn chroot takes time
[23:31] <ogra_> patwest, works fine on mine
[23:31] <ahoneybun> wish this had a progress bar
[23:33] <patwest> ogra_: strange, I got a 64GB card working but the 128GB card is detected but does want to mount. What filesystem is on your card?
[23:36] <ahoneybun> mariogrip your not on Hangouts you know
[23:36] <ahoneybun> lol
[23:37] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: sorry i had to accept u
[23:37] <ahoneybun> yep lol
[23:39] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: no answer :P
[23:39] <ahoneybun> was trying
[23:39] <ahoneybun> the window does not scale right
[23:42] <ogra_> patwest, vfat indeed
[23:42] <ogra_> (other FSes arent supported)
[23:43] <mterry> tedg, you're not still around, I assume?