[01:13] <bluesabre> evening all
[01:14] <Unit193> Howdy, bluesabre.
[01:14] <bluesabre> ochosi, knome: thoughts on including our own set of profile images?
[01:14] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[01:14] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[01:16] <Unit193> I'm alive.
[01:16] <bluesabre> huzzah!
[01:27] <knome> bluesabre, yeah, especially if we can remove the defaults... :P
[01:27] <knome> could be something we could cooperate on with pjotter
[01:28] <bluesabre> good idea
[01:44] <knome> off to bed, ttyl
[02:14] <pavlushka> knome: tty bed, night
[06:54] <flocculant> bluesabre: any flashes of inspiration re thunar - or were the flashes a migraine still :)
[07:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, why not
[07:04]  * flocculant wouldn't have a clue what one is
[07:55] <Unit193> ochosi: Heya Xfce dude, are you keeping in sync well of which things are ported? :3
[09:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: the only flashes are those of a deer in headlights
[10:31] <ochosi> Unit193: humm, i guess not, but it's a good idea, i'
[10:31] <ochosi> ll sit down tonight and update the roadmap
[10:32] <ochosi> unfortunately it only tracks the main components
[10:32] <ochosi> stuff like clipman isn't there by definition
[10:33] <knome> maybe it's time to add it
[11:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: nasty - don't get hit 
[11:11] <ochosi> knome: yeah, it's just a question of maintenance, but sure
[11:11] <ochosi> plus, only few people have write perms on the roadmap page
[11:14] <knome> boo
[11:14] <knome> xfce should spread the love more
[11:22] <flocculant> yep
[11:23] <flocculant> worked for ubuntu and it's wiki :p
[11:23] <knome> hah
[11:23] <knome> you know well that this isn't the same
[11:23] <flocculant> :D
[11:23] <flocculant> knome: you about this evening at all? 
[11:23] <knome> umm, should be aroundish most of day
[11:24] <flocculant> ok - maybe spend a bit of time arguing about council later ...
[11:24] <knome> ;)
[11:24] <flocculant> or we could discuss it :p
[11:24] <knome> we could
[11:24] <flocculant> :)
[11:25] <flocculant> be better methinks 
[11:25]  * knome is hacking on the new tracker
[11:25] <flocculant> :)
[11:25] <flocculant> this blueprinty business I assume
[11:25] <knome> yep, and a bit more in the side
[11:26] <flocculant> look forward to seeing that
[11:26] <flocculant> but for now - bbl
[11:26] <knome> hf meanwhile
[11:26] <flocculant> unlikely - but I'll try ;)
[11:26] <knome> haha
[12:35] <ochosi> Unit193: feel free to propose a list of what you know and i can extend it and then push it to the wiki page ;)
[16:21] <flocculant> knome: and I didn't ... 
[16:22] <knome> awwh :)
[16:22] <knome> got to go now but will bbl
[16:22] <flocculant> ok - well I got things to sort for a while now anyway ofc - ping me when you're about again
[18:51] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: I'll bump the 'shall we shan't we' irc session thread soon - then decide 
[18:51] <flocculant> s/then we can decide ...
[18:56] <akxwi-dave> ok bud..
[18:56] <flocculant> I'll check out the social media accounts as well
[19:05] <flocculant> knome: about now for a couple of hours
[20:03] <knome> flocculant, and i'm around now as well
[20:04] <knome> flocculant, wife came back today (unexpected), that's why the change in availability..
[20:04] <flocculant> aah :)
[20:05]  * knome opens the pad
[20:06]  * flocculant does now he has tea
[20:06]  * knome has bread, bacon, eggs and milk
[20:07]  * flocculant had salad :(
[20:07] <knome> salad is good too
[20:07] <flocculant> heh
[20:07] <knome> i heard it helps you live 40+ years
[20:08] <flocculant> that's make me 20 \o/
[20:08] <knome> so - the pad
[20:08] <flocculant> yup
[20:08] <knome> where shall we work with it?
[20:09] <flocculant> on it - at the bottom? 
[20:09] <flocculant> and use the chat thing perhaps
[21:15] <pleia2> flocculant: I am totally detatched from things, but I can speak to civs and the private addresses thing
[21:15] <knome> hooray
[21:15] <pleia2> flocculant: there's a script (I can hunt around for it) that first attempts to get public addresses, then it looks in the gpg key people have uploaded to see if they put an address there
[21:16] <pleia2> the optionally just assumes their address is lp-id@ubuntu.com (good for CC elections, not useful for us)
[21:16] <pleia2> s/the/then
[21:16] <knome> heh
[21:16] <pleia2> but ultimately, it does require that the user is somehow leaking their email address somewhere, whether it's public or it's in a gpg key, if they have one
[21:17] <knome> as long as it isn't leaking to their pants
[21:17] <knome> we can probably make sure everybody who should be able to vote has one
[21:17] <pleia2> CIVS is a completely 3rd party thing though, there's no special relationship with Ubuntu or launchpad or anything
[21:18] <knome> yep
[21:18] <pleia2> so there's no way for it to query for private addresses, even if I didn't think that was a horrible invasion of privacy
[21:18] <pleia2> (it is)
[21:18] <pleia2> this is the one reason the useless launchpad polls stuck around for so long
[21:19] <knome> mhm
[21:19] <pleia2> they were always awful, but it was the only real way to poll members of a team
[21:19] <knome> can we alternatively just push in a bunch of emails which can vote?
[21:19] <knome> i don't think it's a big issue to gather that list, it's probably in each of our mail clients' address book anyway
[21:21] <pleia2> I don't know what this is for ;) but sure, there are ways to hunt down addresses
[21:23] <knome> council
[21:23] <knome> voting
[21:28] <pleia2> like, inside the council or voting for the council? (which may include like a zillion people in open lp teams)
[21:28] <flocculant> pleia2: I has that script
[21:28] <pleia2> flocculant: ah, good :)
[21:28] <flocculant> I has done the deed and have the loooooong list it gives us :)
[21:28] <pleia2> great
[21:29] <pleia2> can do the typical thing of "we grabbed your info from lp, if you didn't get an email, bug flocculant"
[21:29] <flocculant> as far as CIVS goes - we just add whatever addresses we want when we set that up
[21:29] <pleia2> yeah
[21:29] <flocculant> yup
[21:29] <knome> pleia2, it's likely we only let moderated teams vote
[21:30] <knome> pleia2, i mean, it's likely we propose that
[21:31] <flocculant> the long and short of it is that x-dev includes ubuntu core dev
[21:31] <flocculant> so therefore so does x-art
[21:31] <knome> right
[21:31] <knome> then it should be ruled to direct members
[21:31] <flocculant> and thus we get addresses for people like infinity :)
[21:32] <Unit193> Let them vote!
[21:33] <flocculant> so effectively no-one currently outside -team is in a modded team
[21:33] <flocculant> last cycle Dave akxwi would have been
[21:34] <knome> yep, but you were talking about future-proofness
[21:34] <knome> and if we happen to set up those community teams, then the situation might change
[21:34] <flocculant> yup - and that does that until someone joins something like -art or -dev
[21:35] <flocculant> but as that's not likely to be 100's we can manually add the address
[21:35] <knome> it's not related to the council really, but as i wrote in the pad, we should totally thrive (even) more towards an inclusive policy than an exclusive one
[21:36] <flocculant> yup
[21:37] <flocculant> knome: when you set up the CIVS thing - you could send it to foo@bar.god and it would try to send it - it just relies on *someone* manually adding addresses
[21:37] <knome> oki
[21:37] <flocculant> so CIVS itself is something to forget about here
[21:37] <knome> with our policies, it'll be like max 20 people who we need to add
[21:37] <knome> so no problem
[21:38] <flocculant> yea
[21:38] <flocculant> oh crud
[21:38] <flocculant> agenda is immutable ... 
[21:38] <knome> :D
[21:38] <knome> not for me
[21:39] <flocculant> oh well you can do that then :)
[21:39] <knome> done
[21:39] <flocculant> and I'll mail you the long list of stuff to do with my dev mailing list :p
[21:39] <knome> :D
[21:40] <flocculant> best slap ochosi about a bit until he sets the next meeting time :p
[21:41] <knome> we could probably use a social policy that if the next chair hasn't scheduled next meeting in N days after the last one was over, the next one in line should
[21:41] <knome> and the one that didn't schedule the meeting to be punished
[21:41] <knome> so no free-riding!
[21:42] <flocculant> almost
[21:42] <flocculant> the last to not set gets to decide punishment for the first to not set after they've been punished :p
[21:42] <flocculant> oooh
[21:43]  * flocculant gets to punish pleia2 if ochosi punishes him
[21:44] <knome> maybe it's easier if you set that three-way up
[21:44] <knome> :P
[21:44] <flocculant> :p
[21:44] <flocculant> anyway - time for me to toddle off now, thanks knome :)
[21:44] <flocculant> night all 
[21:45] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[21:45] <knome> and thanks that way too
[21:45] <flocculant> welcome
[21:45]  * knome pours a beer
[21:45] <flocculant> seem to have an odd bug with ff if it has a pad open
[21:45] <knome> oh meh this beer
[21:45] <knome> :D
[21:46] <flocculant> close ff - and it clears text from a pad before closing down
[21:46] <flocculant> odd
[21:46] <knome> hmm
[21:46] <flocculant> anyway - night
[21:46] <flocculant> knome: appears to clear text from pad ... 
[21:47] <knome> nah, the pad is ok
[21:59] <bluesabre> evening allll
[22:00] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[22:00] <bluesabre> hey knome
[22:05] <knome> what's up today?
[22:10] <bluesabre> not much
[22:10] <knome> not even north?
[22:10] <bluesabre> hopefully... will get something done soon
[22:10] <bluesabre> :D
[22:11] <bluesabre> probably work on the document templates, and work with Unit193 soon on splitting out our themes into individual packages
[22:22] <knome> :)
[22:23] <knome> any plans for the appstream data?
[22:23] <knome> that could be something easy enough for a new contributor to work on if you had any candidates and time to mentor