[01:09] <diddledan> I want a Lenovo thinkpad so I can rub my nipple in public
[01:09] <diddledan> seriously, what's with those things anyway?
[01:12] <m0nkey_> I have a HP nipple
[01:12] <m0nkey_> some HP EliteBook 820 i think
[01:12] <diddledan> do you fondle it in public places?
[01:13] <m0nkey_> all the time at the officde
[01:13] <diddledan> \o/
[01:15] <m0nkey_> i opened an interesting FreeNAS bug.. https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/15274#change-76677
[01:18] <gebbione> if doing . /etc/enviornment the env variables are not reloading when i run env
[01:18] <gebbione> any reasons?
[02:01] <diddledan> ooh, one of my raspis running win10 just reboobed for an update
[02:06] <daftykins> perhaps it'll improve mammary management
[02:08] <daftykins> speaking of, the login on here is still claiming i need to reboot
[02:14] <diddledan> http://www.wsj.com/articles/if-your-teacher-sounds-like-a-robot-you-might-be-on-to-something-1462546621
[04:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:25] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[05:26]  * zmoylan-pi hands around the crunchies
[05:49] <MooDoo> :) yum
[06:25] <knightwise> morning
[06:27] <MooDoo> morning chap :)
[06:28] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , how are you doing today
[06:29] <MooDoo> knightwise: now the internet is backup at work, I can relax a little
[07:19] <knightwise>  Enjoying my friday her e:)
[07:26] <MooDoo> knightwise: where are you? at work or on hols?
[07:32] <knightwise> at work :)
[07:33] <knightwise> i'm a freelancer .. hols are rare
[07:48] <popey> morning
[07:51] <knightwise> morning popey
[07:52] <Switches> Morning all
[07:53] <knightwise> hey Switches
[07:55] <Switches> Heya knightwise
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all from the caravan :)
[08:06] <Switches> Heya davmor2
[08:06] <knightwise> davmor2: you lucky B¨sterd
[08:07] <davmor2> knightwise: it is a caravan in England I see grey mostly :)  today is a bit brighter :)
[08:07]  * popey heads to the airport
[08:07] <popey> ttfn
[08:07] <davmor2> But I still see lots of grey
[08:07] <davmor2> popey: again
[08:07] <zmoylan-pi> hope you brought the travel scrabble and the scrabble
[08:09] <zmoylan-pi> and don't forget to do riverdance in the caravan... :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKovBepY7v0
[08:09] <Switches> Cya popey
[08:09] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I have 20Mb down and 10Mb up why would I have scrabble
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's obviously not raining enough if you still have that much data :-)
[08:10] <Switches> rofl
[08:13] <knightwise> * Giggles *
[08:13] <knightwise> hilarious
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday the 13th, and happy Blame Someone Else Day! 😃
[08:53] <knightwise> Its your fault its friday the 13th JamesTait
[08:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkBS4zUjJZo
[08:54] <Switches> lol heya JamesTait
[08:54] <JamesTait> Nope. Totally davmor2's fault.
[08:54] <JamesTait> 👋 Switches
[08:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: the music might be but it is entirely your fault as I choose it based on your days :P
[09:01] <knightwise> hmmm.. been working on the mac for the last couple of days at work , and i gotta say , i miss my linux machine
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> little things irking you?
[09:02] <knightwise> yeah ,
[09:02] <knightwise> OSX is like a fancy designer shirt that is a liiiitle too tight
[09:10] <brobostigon> night boys and girls.
[09:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:11] <brobostigon> morning everyone and knightwise
[09:14] <knightwise> thanx for seperating me from everyone else brobostigon
[09:14] <knightwise> I always knew i was special :)
[09:17] <brobostigon> :)
[09:17] <knightwise>  *Greetings Humans*
[09:17] <knightwise> (and brobostigon )
[09:17] <brobostigon> :)
[09:24] <SuperMatt> Human? Who are you calling a human?
[09:25] <SuperMatt> I identify and a caterpillar
[09:25] <SuperMatt> (which explains why I'm always hungry)
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> greetings carbon based lifeforms \o/
[09:30] <SuperMatt> better
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> i enjoyed this too much... :-) https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/sht-happens-sometimes-2.gif
[09:34]  * brobostigon is a wizard , :)
[09:34] <SuperMatt> yer a wizard, Harry?
[09:36] <brobostigon> no, not a potter wizard, a D&D wizard.
[09:45]  * zmoylan-pi is a half-orc in one game and human mercenary in another
[09:45] <brobostigon> :)
[09:46] <SuperMatt> I need to play more D&D
[09:46]  * brobostigon normally plays a human wizard, as he likes magic, :)
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> you do, it's great fun
[09:46] <SuperMatt> not enough of my friends are interested though, so it's not an easy thing to get together
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> i play as fighters as i like annoying the dm by not behaving to type... my half orc barbarian is a peace loving hippy
[09:47] <SuperMatt> though I understand that google hangouts is quite popular for remote d&d these days
[09:48] <foobarry> didn't d&d get replaced by skyrim?
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> there are entire services devoted to playing online these days
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> d&d will exist long after every game you play on a computer is dead and gone
[09:49] <brobostigon> i prefer to play in person, playing online is just too disconnected for me.
[09:50] <SuperMatt> I've got a lovely enough kitchen with a big enough table that I could host
[09:50] <SuperMatt> though I'm likely to host a poker game first
[09:50] <SuperMatt> oooh, that's what I should do for my birthday
[09:50] <Switches> Seems the steam forums are at it again with the Doom release.. all the crap about it not being on Linux lol
[09:52] <SuperMatt> I imagine it will come to linux later
[09:52] <brobostigon> i am in progress designing part 2 of the quest th group i play with started 5 weeks ago.
[09:52] <Switches> The best part of those arguments is when they bring the oh so important "usage" links into it... I sit and think yeah great, your using a usage graph on something that is pretty much untracable lol
[09:52] <SuperMatt> but the user reviews all seem pretty good
[09:52] <Switches> They are the game looks great, but it being Zenimax and Bethesda makes me think Linux prob wont see it
[09:52] <SuperMatt> steam's linux usage fluctuates around the 1% mark
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> tabletop d&d with a dm who has all the figures... in multiples... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/711298949517221888/photo/1 :-D
[09:53] <SuperMatt> having said that, I'm not sure if it counts my pc twice, for having linux and windows
[09:53] <Switches> Yeah and Steam usage surveys don't pop up for most people :p
[09:54] <Switches> Actually it does, Once for Windows, Once for Linux (if you get the surveys in both ofcourse)
[09:54] <Switches> Also the people using steam in wine are counted as Windows as its the Windows client...
[09:55] <brobostigon> zmoylan-pi: :)
[09:55] <Switches> just one of them things I guess, I won't buy it till it's on Linux, same as I wont by Overwatch.. But the new UT ohhh im def buying that UE4 on linux is really nice
[09:56] <Switches> buy*
[09:56] <SuperMatt> the new UT is free, and will always be free
[09:57] <Switches> The one they were saying about on a UE stream sounded like it was being sold... if it's free that makes it even more a must have.
[09:58] <SuperMatt> https://www.epicgames.com/unrealtournament/ it's definitely free now though
[09:59] <Switches> Ohh the Alpha is yeah, but if you click the download there isn't one for Linux.. yet
[10:00] <SuperMatt> sure, but apparently it does work
[10:00] <SuperMatt> if you're willing to get your hands dirty
[10:00] <Switches> Hmm have to look on the dev site later, there may be a script like they did with the old UTs
[10:01] <SuperMatt> let me know if you find something
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I haven't been bothered to find out how to get it working in linux cos I have windows anyway
[10:01] <Switches> Will do, just reading the community posts about it at the mo
[10:04] <Switches> https://www.epicgames.com/unrealtournament/forums/showthread.php?19159-How-do-I-install-UT4-on-LInux
[10:04] <Switches> How to do it is in the community... downloading now :p
[10:06] <SuperMatt> thank you
[10:07] <Switches> Didn't think of looking in the community forums.. stupid of me, was looking in the dev forums as the engine download stuff is there >.<
[10:08] <SuperMatt> I've got it saved in my bookmarks, so if I have some time this weekend after playing Doom, I might check it out
[10:08] <Switches> :)
[10:09] <Switches> Don't have Windows around apart from my phone... So unfortunatly no doom for me
[10:44] <MooDoo> oh yeah forgot doom was being released today....
[10:44] <MooDoo> friday 13th as well
[10:44] <MooDoo> code version 666?
[10:47] <SuperMatt> hurrr
[10:47] <SuperMatt> I'm hoping I'll get to blast some imps tonight
[10:47] <Switches> Would be good if it was, but I doubt the code version will be 666
[10:47] <SuperMatt> I've got an opportunity to skip home early because there's a company meeting tonight, but I'm not my notice period, so none of this bothers me
[10:49] <Switches> Well getting off work early is always a good thing.. unless you're self employed..
[11:19] <Myrtti> czajkowski: ping
[11:51] <czajkowski> Myrtti: pong
[12:45] <diddledan> marnin
[13:13] <SuperMatt> yo
[14:02] <diddledan> Linux is flippin' weird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPbAXKMCDkY
[14:02] <diddledan> love Bryan's presentations
[14:13] <Switches> Yeah watched that a while ago. The "Cow Milker" is the best :p
[14:48] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV0pLRyM7o
[15:09] <diddledan> "there are maybe 50 people in the world that understand selinux policies" http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/selinux-vs-systemd-whats-safer-for-linux-servers.html
[15:16] <davmor2> diddledan: and most of those work for the nsa and we know how well we can trust them with our secrets right
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> they'll find *AFTER* the event what you were planning, so yes...
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> and then add death by pineapples to their watchword list... :-P
[16:16] <diddledan> googacle trial is nuts
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> googacle... is that we're calling it then?
[16:16] <diddledan> aye
[16:16]  * zmoylan-pi scribbles note in personal database...
[16:19] <davmor2> I wonder why people are trying to compare selinux and systemd, one is an init system and other a security system that the init system uses maybe I'm missing the point :D
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> if it sparks an argument then it's work is done... :-P
[16:20] <diddledan> davmor2: systemd doesn't use selinux at all. they have similarities in process isolation, where systemd does it in a more portable anner
[16:20] <diddledan> manner
[16:22] <davmor2> fair enough
[16:27] <diddledan> at the end-of-the-day selinux is a patch to the kernel where the tech that systemd uses is native
[16:27] <diddledan> the same tech behind things like docker
[16:30] <davmor2> and lxd
[16:31] <davmor2> diddledan: my point though remain they are not mutually exclusive systemd has plugins for both selinux and apparmor
[16:33] <diddledan> yup, I think the security patches of either selinux or apparmor are good things to continue using to add an extra layer
[16:34] <diddledan> really the tech that systemd, docker et al are using for isolation aren't actually security-boundaries. they're more just logical groups which can be isolated but aren't necessarily so. the selinux or apparmor can add DACs which prohibit breaking out
[16:37] <davmor2> diddledan: indeed which is what lxd/lxc does again either with selinux or apparmor
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:22] <Switches> heya
[20:22] <sebsebseb> Switches: hi
[21:16] <gebbione> hi folks, i cannot get my ethernet started on my desktop. The adapter light is off and trying to run network restart won't work. I have also started nm-applet but the network icon is also gone and it fails starting
[21:16] <daftykins> version?
[21:17] <daftykins> what changed since it last worked?
[21:18] <diddledan> have you tried rebooting?
[21:18]  * daftykins chases diddledan with a Doom chainsaw
[21:18] <diddledan> network-manager is a pain in that once it’s stopped working properly only a full reboot will fix it :-(
[21:18] <daftykins> (new one came out today :O )
[21:19] <diddledan> daftykins: it had better be shareware
[21:19] <daftykins> my fellow volunteers tell me it has been broken - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1434986
[21:19] <m6lpi> Oops
[21:22] <daftykins> gebbione: ...?
[21:23] <diddledan> I miss ifup and ifdown-based network management
[21:24] <daftykins> i still purge resolvconf and hardcode config on servers :>
[21:24] <diddledan> I get that desktops like point-n-click windows-style interfaces but the /etc/network/interfaces file was much easier
[21:24] <daftykins> have to reboot now though, can't just restart the service anymore
[21:25] <diddledan> yeah, `service networking restart` was easy and it seems to me they’ve broken it by mandating network manager
[21:26] <gebbione> daftykins, didn't see the reply until now
[21:26] <gebbione> i think it was the last update
[21:27] <gebbione> i installed it yesterday night
[21:27] <gebbione> i m going through http://askubuntu.com/questions/771627/14-04-network-manager-stopped-working/771841#771841 now
[21:27] <daftykins> and version?
[21:27] <gebbione> 14-04
[21:27] <daftykins> i also had someone tell me of:
[21:27] <daftykins> http://askubuntu.com/questions/771627/14-04-network-manager-stopped-working/771841#771841 ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1539634
[21:28] <daftykins> so could be a recovery mode update perhaps
[21:28] <gebbione> i entered recovery mode with no networking i think
[21:28] <gebbione> i might need to reboot
[21:28] <daftykins> is it a desktop?
[21:28] <daftykins> you could bring things up manually to update
[21:29] <daftykins> if connected to a router/switch with a cable it wouldn't be too much effort
[21:29] <gebbione> sudo apt-get update?
[21:29] <gebbione> well it is root already
[21:29] <daftykins> well it depends if your connection is up
[21:30] <diddledan> you’re in recovery mode and wondering why you don’t have normal functionality?
[21:30] <gebbione> no it is not
[21:30] <daftykins> ping your router first maybe, then google.co.uk as a test
[21:30] <daftykins> ok, identify your interface name via "ifconfig -a" - you might see eth0 or it could be a new funky name depending on your setup
[21:30] <diddledan> hint: recovery mode is limited functionality
[21:30] <gebbione> update failed to resolve repos
[21:30] <diddledan> it’s designed to be limited
[21:31] <diddledan> expecting unlimited is stupid
[21:31] <gebbione> i ll restart with networking enabled, should work right?
[21:32] <daftykins> oh is that a choice that comes up? wasn't aware, never really used recovery
[21:33] <diddledan> ignore me, I’ll leave you to it
[21:35] <daftykins> nah it's all good, i don't really follow the present modes limitations
[22:21] <diddledan> this is hilarious: http://www.callmyadagency.com/page4.html
[22:21] <diddledan> “don’t use other designers, because we use all of our brains"
[22:21] <daftykins> dingo dunny paper ;D
[22:22] <diddledan> read the text. it’s nuts.
[22:22] <daftykins> but it's the weekend! :)
[22:22] <daftykins> i've been invited to a small Eurovision watching gathering tomorrow night
[23:03] <diddledan> ok. somehow victoria’s secret think I’ve ordered something from them using an email account I rarely touch
[23:03] <diddledan> and yes, it really is the real victoria’s secret and not a phish
[23:05] <diddledan> apparently I bought this: https://www.victoriassecret.com/bras/shop-all-bras/cotton-bra-top-pink?ProductID=288529&CatalogueType=OLS
[23:09] <daftykins> hmm i don't think much of your taste
[23:09] <daftykins> have i told you before about all the people in the US that sign up to things with my personal gmail?
[23:09] <diddledan> I also have a “victoria’s secret card"
[23:10] <daftykins> quite honestly the only way to get rid of one was to do a password reset on the account, email them asking to cancel the order... then sit back and watch
[23:10] <daftykins> when i got the support guys email saying "here's the time you asked us to cancel your order" with my cancel copied in, i lul'd
[23:11] <daftykins> Deborah kins suffered my wrath that day
[23:11] <diddledan> someone signed-up to match.com using my email a while back
[23:11] <daftykins> i hope they described you well :D
[23:11] <diddledan> no. they really didn’t. he was a weedy child
[23:11] <daftykins> aww
[23:12] <daftykins> well they need love too, sir
[23:12] <popey> Evening!
[23:12] <diddledan> ‘owdo
[23:13] <diddledan> oh, and this is a good one from a few days ago: I invited myself to test my ios app, apparently
[23:14] <diddledan> “From: Daniel Llewellyn’s Projects (via Crashlytics)” from my email to my email “You’ve been invited to test NoCarrotFitness"
[23:15] <diddledan> oh no, not quite from my email - from a similar email @gmail to my icloud email
[23:15] <diddledan> someone using the gmail danieln.llewellyn@gmail.com
[23:16] <diddledan> my icloud is daniel.llewellyn@icloud.com
[23:16] <diddledan> (now watch as bots harvest that from the logs archive and spam me sideways)
[23:16] <daftykins> and now they're harvestable from the public logs ;D
[23:16] <daftykins> yes XD
[23:16] <diddledan> great minds...
[23:17] <daftykins> ...look for dessert
[23:17] <daftykins> mines a chocolate chip flapjack
[23:17] <diddledan> mmmm. dessert
[23:21] <daftykins> you knows it
[23:21] <daftykins> the moment i saw half price ice cream on the local supermarket deal mailer too, oof
[23:21] <daftykins> my gut had no chance
[23:22] <diddledan> damn
[23:22] <diddledan> I hate when they force me to buy bargain glutenous food
[23:23] <diddledan> it’s unfair to make stuff I love cheap