[04:42] Morning everyone [05:41] Mornings [05:41] mornings [05:45] good morning === urbanslug is now known as Guest76174 [05:54] morning mazal magespawn anton_may === hulk{-_-} is now known as urbanslug [06:04] you okes are awake early [06:07] Who, me? [06:08] No, I am sleeping right now! [06:09] paddatrapper: what you studying? [06:13] o/ [06:15] o/ [06:23] mornings [06:35] kulelu88: BSc Computer Science and Computer Engineering [06:35] ooohhh fancy. at UCT? [06:36] good mornins [06:37] kulelu88: yup. Would like to do Applied maths and Computer Engineering, but have to do Comp Sci with Comp Eng [06:38] I think gremble does Applied Math [06:38] As far as I remember, yeah [06:39] did the fees fall yet? and rhodes? paddatrapper [06:39] Lol. No more Rhodes statue and no fee increase this year, but still an interesting time to be here! [06:40] paddatrapper: what year are you? [06:40] ironically, fees didn't fall, unless the economics students explain how an inflation-increased fee didn't happen, so it did kind of fall [06:41] superfly: first. Took a gap year [06:42] Dam wouldn't mind getting this as a "home" PC - http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hardware/164520-the-insane-pc-which-costs-r700000.html [06:42] kulelu88: which is exactly why there are still people complaining [06:42] paddatrapper: you need to go to #breaktherules and come and intern with us [06:42] wow, you must be around 21 or less paddatrapper . you're the youngest here [06:43] morning paddatrapper anton_may magespawn kulelu88 superfly thatgraemeguy and others [06:43] 0/ [06:43] 'lo [06:43] sup chesedo [06:43] superfly: I was pretty sad I couldn't make the winter one, definitely plan to do summer at the end of the year [06:43] Morning chesedo [06:44] kulelu88: seems so, I'm 20 [06:44] kulelu88: blazehen is under 20 afaik [06:44] paddatrapper: look out for Nomanini [06:44] paddatrapper: what language do they introduce you to programming in? [06:45] not much, just cold and self superfly? [06:46] kulelu88: they start with python, then next semester move to Java. I'm fluent in both, so I do other things in lectures [06:47] chesedo: not too cold this side [06:47] python to java, sounds fun [06:47] who likes jquery? :D can someone fix my JSFiddle? https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/ [06:48] paddatrapper: is java part of CS or CE? [06:49] kulelu88: have you tried looking in your dev console? [06:49] superfly: the problem with the fiddle is that it does not render. the code itself works. I'm trying to get a working example [06:50] chesedo: CS, but required for CE [06:50] * Cryterion looks, and goes back to his c/c++ [06:50] makes you want to scratch your eyeballs? Cryterion ;) [06:51] the java and python does ;) [06:52] kulelu88: did you press the play button? [06:55] welcome backe unlaudable [06:55] gah -e [06:55] repeatedly :D [06:55] Cryterion: I agree with you. Much prefer c/c++ [06:56] kulelu88: I fixed a bunch of things last night, got it mostly working [06:56] link? superfly [06:56] kulelu88: firstly, your external scripts were http, and jsfiddle is https, so Firefox refused to load them [06:56] kulelu88: was yours [06:57] but it didn't seem to save [06:57] i think that's the main gripe. I need to https these scripts [06:59] kulelu88: try this? https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/2/ [07:00] kulelu88: the two issues I encounter are "$editable.inlineEdit is not a function" and "$.publish is not a function" [07:00] o/ [07:00] which usually means that those two scripts didn't load properly [07:01] kulelu88: ah, I'm getting an "insecure response" when Chrome tries to load inlineedit and pubsub [07:01] yeah, I sourced those 2 from the guys blog [07:01] finding alternatives for them [07:03] inlineedit: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/caphun/jquery.inlineedit/master/jquery.inlineedit.js [07:05] pubsub: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/loonies/3872697/raw/84b44d14429b219856b14050816e131b9cecc725/pubsub.js [07:09] superfly: full working example: https://jsfiddle.net/7x9x2cvd/3/ [07:11] not working in chrome for me [07:11] js is being returned as text/plain [07:21] superfly: try opening the link in firefox [07:28] superfly: flush your cache, that may be the issue [07:34] kulelu88: your last one combined with what superfly suggested last night - https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/6/ [07:35] that's some nice code chesedo :X [07:36] kulelu88: it's fly's [07:37] chesedo: my goal is to render each item to look like this: http://www.w3schools.com/jquerymobile/tryit.asp?filename=tryjqmob_lists_split [07:37] so the 'x' button goes to the right, split by the block, whilst the content stays on the left [07:38] and that is where I was stuck all this time [07:40] kulelu88: i do not know jquery mobile - will check quickly... have you read this though - https://api.jquerymobile.com/listview/ [07:41] chesedo: yeah, I've been using w3schools all this time to make it work. some guy in #jquery said I musn't abuse like that [07:42] evening everyone [07:42] More oom [07:42] dag seun [08:00] kulelu88: https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/7/ - but the code that causes the 'remove' to hide interferce a bit [08:01] naand oom Kilos, gaanit? [08:01] lol hi chesedo ok dsnkie en self [08:01] paddatrapper: hi, sorry for no reply... day was great ty [08:03] goed dankie... het eergister n punte skok gekry met rekenaar wat ons vraestelle verkeerd gemerk het... toe het ek net 33% [08:03] ... met n jaar punt van 9% :P [08:04] Kilos: ^^ [08:04] eish [08:04] het jy dit reg gemaak [08:05] dit was UNISA se rekenaar wat die verkeerde antwoorde gevoer is (opsie een vir al 60 vrae)... studente het toe vinnig gevra wat aan gaan [08:06] sjoe dis n groot skok ne [08:06] hoor nou net wereld banke gehack [08:07] ja een was reeds baie bly wat het net voor dit my beste punt ooit vir n besigheids module gekry [08:08] klink of ons popcorn moet spring... [08:08] what was the subject? chesedo [08:09] kulelu88: for the bad mark, C++ programming [08:09] sjoe [08:09] mcq [08:09] 10-35% should be average for C++ programming ;) [08:10] all students would have got somewhere around 25% (choices was out of 4) [08:11] what should be your actual mark? chesedo [08:12] after the remark it's 89% [08:12] hahahaha. you must have felt hollow inside seeing 9% [08:13] yip, felt very 'blankish'... went to look what was wrong immediatly [08:15] bad shocker that [08:15] kulelu88: for the hide behaviour you can remove lines 66-75 unless if you want to do something else [08:16] ... just fading the remove link alone causes white spacing [08:20] chesedo: i think there was some issue with your code, cause as soon as I scroll over an item, it deletes it [08:21] kulelu88: lol, yeah... a lot of your selector are very generic... give a bit of time... [08:29] chesedo: some guy in jqeury has helped me get to this: https://jsfiddle.net/7camhnjt/12/ [08:30] kulelu88: https://jsfiddle.net/1r5c3oeu/8/ - removed the fade on hover, corrected the delete, and refactor the 'li' creation [08:31] you're my hero chesedo :x [08:32] remind me to buy you food/drink some day [08:33] lol yw kulelu88 [08:33] I never knew javascript could be this complicated [08:33] and this is just the first step hahaha [08:34] * chesedo goes to snacking and back to studies [08:35] kulelu88: one learns out of complications... will write in a break why i did some stuff for you to learn from [08:52] chesedo: what jquery reference are you using? apparently the w3schools reference is shit, so if I could find something more reliable, I will use that [08:59] Anyone know much anout Ubuntu-MATE? [08:59] kulelu88: I dunno if they have jquery stuff, but check out mozilla developer network. I hear it's better [09:00] theblazehen: I hear you still a laaitie :P [09:00] kulelu88: well, 19 now so.. [09:00] yooooooooh [09:00] time flies [09:01] that's the youngest and oldest is 78 [09:01] Oh really? heh [09:01] hi Cryterion [09:01] hi kulelu88 [09:01] Kilos: * [09:01] heya Kilos [09:01] hi Cryterion [09:01] lol @kulelu88 [09:01] what you study? theblazehen [09:01] kulelu88: Doing an internship now, but also have a proper job as a linux admin [09:02] oom Kilos is busy writing a compiler in his spare time [09:02] regular admin or devopsy? theblazehen [09:02] kulelu88: Devopsy at internship, more regular at other job, but I'm slowly getting us into using proper config management, wanting to run more stuff in containers etc [09:03] I don't like docker though :( [09:03] Prefer lxc [09:03] Os vs process containers [09:03] same pathway/experience I had theblazehen . ended up with LXC [09:03] oh wait a second, you work with andrewLSD right? [09:04] kulelu88: Nice :) Wish I still had my virtualization box at home.. lxc + saltstack ftw [09:04] Yeah :) [09:04] What I learnt: Don't buy seagate drives (Well, I already knew that, but they were *really* cheap), and don't buy hard drives all from the same batch [09:05] im trying to remember who uses mate [09:06] how do you orchestrate with Salt? I hear Ansible is a better option for using LXC on a single machine [09:07] kulelu88: Haven't actually got a chance to use it, but salt-ssh is agentless, which should work. [09:07] Kilos normal ubuntu help might work, hows the problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/770906/qt-unified-linux-x86-2-0-3-online-run-cannot-execute-binary-file-getting-exec-f [09:07] Exactly the problem I have, same file even [09:08] Cryterion: you tried to chmod the executable? [09:08] yes, chmod 777 [09:09] check if the u buntu mate guys are on irc [09:09] remember to answer that question when you find the answer Cryterion [09:10] will, and there is a channel [09:10] *sigh* Why must Fridays always be Mondays in this place [09:10] yay [09:10] lol [09:10] Hi Cryterion [09:10] haha [09:11] Shees oom [09:11] It's months now that everything goes wrong on Fridays [09:12] Without me causing it I have to add [09:12] mazal: build failure? [09:12] kulelu88, Something of everything. Corrupt OS's , virusses , id1ot's , broken cables [09:13] * Cryterion hands mazal a 4pound hammer [09:14] mazal: 1 question, is there windows (especially XP) somewhere in the stack? [09:14] That sound like a good plan Cryterion [09:14] kulelu88, yeah , our whole network is Winbloze 7 [09:14] somewhere i saw mate dev guys [09:17] I can't feel you any sympathy then mazal . [09:17] try complaining in #windows :P (joke :D ) [09:18] Morning [09:18] Cryterion: what's the first line of the .run file look like? [09:18] Morning [09:18] superfly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVjQoAf47BI [09:19] whoa even Squirm is running behind a proxy. you guys are dangerous :O [09:19] Haha [09:19] kulelu88: ZNC [09:19] Shows me what I missed :) [09:19] thatgraemeguy, it's seems to be a processor thing, The RaspberryPi is ARM11 and not x86 [09:19] your own pvt 1? Can I piggyback on it? Squirm [09:20] that makes a lot of sense Cryterion . architectural issue [09:20] hi Squirm [09:20] Cryterion: I ask because .run files are typically self-extracting shell scripts of some form [09:20] Heya Kilos [09:20] and thatgraemeguy [09:20] kulelu88: I'll see what I can do, no promises though :D [09:20] so perhaps its shebang is referencing a non-existent executable, that would give you the same error message [09:21] joke joke Squirm :) aren't you overpaying for Linode though? [09:21] hi thatgraemeguy as well [09:22] Probably. But I host my mail, about 5 email addresses. Not sure what else I could do for the same price [09:22] + I have the benefit of having a server [09:22] for when I need something [09:23] If it werent for the mail, I'd have an EC2 instance [09:23] thatgraemeguy, it's binary ".ELF......." the .'s have various Hex values [09:24] ah ok [09:24] in that case "file filename.run" should tell you what arch it's built for [09:26] x86, but the raspberry is arm11, so looking to build that arch now [09:27] you paying $10 or $20? Squirm [09:28] Kilos: is wolfeyes around? [09:28] Cryterion check if there is a pi channel too [09:29] hi magespawn he said he very busy since early but i can leave him a message for you [09:29] i have a finger print reader i need some more info on, message here or in the real world? [09:30] on pidgin [09:31] lemme see if he answers [09:31] it is a sagem ma 100 [09:32] Squirm: nice! [09:34] kulelu88: $10 [09:34] superfly: Yeah - Was there last night [09:56] Hey guys, question : I'm in the process of setting up a file server using Ubuntu 16.04 desktop... What is the difference between sambsa shares and publics folders? [10:00] FusionSparc: samba shares you can manage more granually and optionally provide access for Windows machines [10:01] hey chesedo . I will be back later to chat. thanks so much again. [10:04] ill shout when he answers magespawn [10:04] hi there superfly [10:05] morning paddatrapper [10:05] Hey Kilos [10:06] when he gets a break magespawn ill get him here [10:07] Noob questions but thought I'd ask... Thought as much, samba seems more secure as well. [10:09] Yeah. Pretty much if you are debating it, go Samba if you want permanent shares that can be accessed from a variety of OS's [10:17] ty Kilos [10:18] Kilos: not to much of a stress just looking for the software for the computer side [10:21] a friend is looking to host thier pastel database online to allow remote work, any suggestions for a hosting company that could do this? [11:29] magespawn: So basically a windows remote desktop? [11:53] magespawn: I would rather go to Sage One Accounting. It's an online accounting portal instead putting the pastel db online. [12:42] anton_may: that is what i thought would be best, but maybe the cost is too much [12:43] hi bushtech [12:43] theblazehen: preferably something that would allow the pastel on the computer to remotely connect to the pastel database [12:44] magespawn ian on his way i think [12:44] thanks Kilos [12:45] Hi Kilos, others [12:45] pastel uses the pervasive database engine with postgresql i think [12:46] just helping him setup konverstion [12:52] he is working on a newly installed kubuntu magespawn [12:52] so im not sure what all needs doing [12:54] i am not sure either [12:54] lol [12:54] no man [12:55] he needs to install konversation etc etc [12:55] has done update/upgrade etc [13:00] and it all happened over about a week, bit here and bit there [13:00] magespawn: well you need to compare the costs of Sage vs. devils box being hacked [13:01] anton_may: that was my advice too, be carefulof security [13:01] magespawn: our company uses Xero [13:01] yip, I would rather then look at a VPN solution then [13:02] magespawn: Pastel doesn't use PostgreSQL [13:02] they do have some server solution thing, but that's probably way more than the elcheapo local version [13:06] Good afternoon [13:10] 60% packet loss at every point between me and Google.... [13:10] ouch [13:11] ouch isp? [13:11] Telkom [13:12] paddatrapper: move your desk :-) [13:12] Though I'm getting 68% loss to my router (wifi).... Need to upgrade it [13:13] paddatrapper: Got a traceroute? [13:13] Nevermind [13:13] theblazehen: running mtr [13:13] Also, up your laptops tx power [13:13] 1 sec [13:13] well if you get a +60% drop to your router it does say something [13:14] theblazehen: how would I do that? [13:14] paddatrapper: man iwconfig [13:14] http://kmkeen.com/linux-wifi/ [13:15] Also suspect it has something to do with my wifi driver. Had the same issue under arch, but was fixed in an update that I suspect isn't in 14.04 [13:15] Go back to arch ;) [13:17] Haha. Can't set TX power, not supported [13:18] paddatrapper: What router? [13:18] hey theblazehen i just got him onto kde [13:18] A netgear I hope? [13:18] Kilos: nice [13:19] theblazehen: D-Link (because I hate life lol) [13:19] paddatrapper: Oh :( You can get root on netgears [13:20] Wired connection is much better, but still a bit shaky [13:20] Use a netgear as my wifi access point [13:20] But a proper pc for the router [13:21] I want to run DD-WRT/Open-WRT (can't remember which is the more active one off hand) and whatever I upgrade to [13:22] magespawn lost ian now again after modem died, maybe he gone working again [13:22] OpenWRT doesn't support adsl [13:22] theblazehen: Current priority is a working home server. Then I'll work on internet facing side. I've got the wifi and network nice now (ignoring this issue), so one step at a time as I get the money [13:22] Don't think ddwrt either [13:22] and ddwrt isn't open source [13:22] paddatrapper: Plans for the server? :) [13:23] Mainly media server and NAS. DNS as well [13:23] * theblazehen had one with 20TB storage and 32 GB ram [13:23] * paddatrapper is very jealous [13:23] * theblazehen needs to reinstall it after the raid died [13:24] Bought 4x 5TB seagate drives in a raid 5 [13:24] 2 disks failed in the first week [13:25] The entirety of my current "NAS" is a 2TB USB segate shared from one of the PCs and no backup set up... Got no money for anything else [13:25] ouch! [13:25] Maaz tell kulelu88 Here is the (long) summary of what changed and why (and some general tips) - https://hackmd.io/s/r1_L_G7z [13:25] chesedo: Got it, I'll tell kulelu88 on freenode [13:54] ok peeps have a good w/e i'm out of here [13:55] CHeers anton_may [13:59] Anonymous just tweeted - Dear #SouthAfrica we have still not forgotten #MarikanaMiners #ExpectUs #SAP was only the start #Anonymous - https://twitter.com/DomainerAnon/status/731120897474633728 [14:05] home time chat later [14:47] hi Wolfeyes [14:53] hey Kilos [14:53] good day everyone [15:01] Home time [15:01] Woop [15:01] Hi Wolfeyes [15:01] Bye Wolfeyes [15:01] cheersa Squirm [15:01] and Kilos [15:01] fel free to visit again [15:01] feel [15:01] hehe [15:01] Haha [15:01] Yeah - I should pop by more often [15:01] Just lack of time [15:01] and distration [15:02] yay [15:02] distraction [15:06] that's an amazing write up chesedo . I can see you're already a solid software engineer with code and documentation :D [15:06] lol @ Squirm [15:07] where where where kulelu88, may I see too lol [15:07] Wolfeyes: https://hackmd.io/s/r1_L_G7z [15:13] superfly: say I have a complete alpha release of a piece of code I am happy with and I don't want to change it but keep improving the code, do I now "git" this code? [15:14] ty [15:28] lol ty kulelu88 [15:39] ai! [16:07] Well after about a week, I can say without a doubt that tlp has given me 30 minutes to an hour more battery life [16:25] kulelu88: yeag [16:25] Yeah [16:25] kulelu88, You gitted your code yet? [16:27] kulelu88: yes, put it into version control. I would start when I start writing code, not later. The sooner the better. [16:29] If you want to go with git, I recommend GitLab over Github. [16:29] It is free as in freedom as well as free as in beer. [16:30] You can also look at Bitbucket for both git and Mercurial [16:31] (they've been around longer than Github and I trust them more) [16:36] superfly: this code is open source, so it can stay on facebook for coders aka Github :P [16:36] I really wanted to try that other VCS you mentioned superfly . the simpler one [16:36] kulelu88: I'm taking about open source code [16:37] yo gremble , you no longer the 'laaitie' here. lots of young ones lurking here :D [16:37] kulelu88: bazaar? [16:37] yeah, bazaar, thats it [16:37] Ah [16:38] Launchpad.net is the only bzr hosting I know of [16:38] Git can be simple if there's only one committer [16:39] And because Linus likes to email for patches around, apparently everyone must use git [16:39] s/for/git/ [16:39] the linus element is strong in why git got chosen over the others [16:40] probably why Go and Rust will win over Crystal and Nim [16:41] I got started with bzr long before git and hg were popular. In fact, at the time, bzr was probably the most popular [16:41] kulelu88: actually, BitKeeper was recently open sourced [16:42] you making it sound like you were there when C version 0.01 was launched superfly :D [16:42] kulelu88: almost :-P [16:42] Gogs is really interesting. apparently it can be run on a rPI [16:43] kulelu88: I've used Subversion and CVS. tell any older dev that and they'll probably shudder [16:44] time flies though. I've been using git for like 3/4 years on/off [16:45] LP gives you karma if you work there [16:45] if you are a member of a loco that is [16:54] +1 for gogs in comparison to gitlab [16:59] i go eat [17:16] Ah yes, now I remember, the Github clone hosted on Github. How ironic. [17:18] Even GitLab is hosted on GitLab [17:24] Maaz: ur [17:24] superfly: Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. [17:42] good evening [17:46] hi magespawn [17:46] lol ur [17:47] inetpro find it please [17:47] i forgot the switch for youtube-dl to get sound only [17:48] anyone else is welcome to jump in as well [17:49] dont let me waste data trying to find it [17:49] maybe -c [17:49] not to sure what you are looking for Kilos [17:50] hmm... [17:50] you download only the song magespawn not the vido [17:50] i told pro [17:50] -X I think [17:50] and he is good at finding things [17:50] using what though? wget? [17:51] hmm... [17:51] youtube-dl [17:51] Kilos: man youtube-dl [17:51] so difficult using a laptop with only one drive [17:51] never heard of it [17:51] youtubedl -X 'URL' [17:52] lol inetpro you know i battle with man [17:52] but ill look [17:52] will do it, but it is post-processing so will download both and then extract the audio [17:52] was a -c or -a [17:52] X doesnt look right [17:53] Kilos: -c means continue/resume [17:53] on youtube -dl as well? [17:53] i use -c on wget [17:54] -a provides a input file of URLS [17:54] I'm looking at youtube-dl docs [17:54] something with 140 as well [17:54] https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl has the docs I'm looking at [17:54] -F, --list-formats [17:54] List all available formats of requested videos [17:54] youtube-dl -? 140 link [17:55] paddatrapper: man youtube-dl [17:56] Not on a Linux box at the moment. Internet is the best I can do [17:58] might be -x paddatrapper [17:58] so much reading [17:58]