[09:33] <yofel> hm. where did our l10n wiki page go o.O
[09:35] <yofel> ah, found it
 Hiding from you?
[09:43] <yofel> I had to google to find our general l10n page on community.kde.org, and on that page there's a tiny link to the page that explains the branch patter
[09:43] <yofel> l10n is in git now
[09:43] <yofel> but I still need to test it
[09:48] <yofel> it still tries to run bzr o.O
[10:05] <yofel> sadly bzr fast-export exports tags that are invalid in git, so we lost those
[10:05] <yofel> and I only moved xenial and master to git
[10:06] <yofel> but it builds packagers now, so that's done
[10:06] <yofel> *packages
[10:07] <yofel> Clifford: when you're looking for stuff, https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide tells you where it is
[10:09] <clivejo> well 5.6.4 feels pretty stable for me
[10:09] <clivejo> if I could get this router sorted Id be happy with the world again 
[10:10] <yofel> and the result packages even seem to build \o/
[10:11] <clivejo> can CI build l10n now with that git archive?
[10:12] <yofel> not with the way we do it
[10:14] <mamarley> clivejo: 5.6.4 is working fine in this VM too. :)
[10:14] <yofel> clivejo:also, the difference in l10n is that there's no yakkety branch, that's what master is for
[10:15] <yofel> bah, error: pathspec 'kubuntu_xenial_archive' did not match any file(s) known to git.
[10:15] <yofel> why..
[10:16] <yofel> oh hm, the local re-cloning messes stuff up
[10:17] <clivejo> is there not a build in converter in LP bzr->git
[10:17] <yofel> no
[10:17] <yofel> that's bzr fast-export | git --fast-import
[10:18] <yofel> with some more options
[10:19] <clivejo> oooo http://www.catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/
[10:24] <acheron88> 5.6.4 seems ok in a VM here as well, although can't test that exhaustively
[10:26] <yofel> ok, non-master building works too now
[10:29] <clivejo> its a heavy internet user though?
[10:31] <yofel> yes
[10:32] <yofel> need a container?
[10:33] <clivejo> need my router fixed!
[10:34]  * clivejo wonders if the big antenna is still about
[10:36] <clivejo> so this package is purely ubuntu?
[10:37] <clivejo> I dont see any debian
[10:37] <yofel> they do it differently
[10:42] <clivejo> so added kcm_activities to overlapping-files
[10:42] <clivejo> kde-l10n-aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2) yakkety;
[10:42] <clivejo> !info kde-l10n
[10:43] <clivejo> !info kde-l10n-pl
[10:44] <clivejo> so I need 0ubuntu3
[10:45] <clivejo> yofel: this ok - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kde-l10n-common/commit/?id=2f9bcd8a8994e5a1972de40c31b6a9d2721420b3
[10:46] <yofel> yes, but add the PPA version to it, as we'll only upload that to the archive when 5.6 is uploaded
[10:48] <clivejo> ok done
[10:48] <clivejo> +kde-l10n-aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu3~ubuntu16.10~ppa1) yakkety; urgency=medium
[10:49] <yofel> ack
[10:49] <yofel> put that into staging, then you can set 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu3~ in baloo
[10:51] <clivejo> plasma-desktop?
[10:52] <yofel> erm, right
[10:52] <clivejo> where do I need to run debian/build-l10n.sh from?
[10:53] <yofel> kde-l10n-common/
[10:54] <clivejo> debian/build-l10n.sh: 19: debian/build-l10n.sh: source: not found                                           
[10:54] <clivejo> could not source common functions!!
[10:56] <yofel> does bzr work?
[10:58] <clivejo> Im using the git one
[10:59] <yofel> it internally uses another bzr repo
[10:59] <clivejo> oh
[11:03] <clivejo> bzr seems to work, but its using my old email
[11:06] <yofel> it's read-only anyway
[11:07] <renee77> hi all
[11:07] <yofel> o/
[11:07] <renee77> :)
[11:09] <renee77> I am on neon now and got a question in bashrc "
[11:09] <renee77> # If this is an xterm set the title to user@host:dir
[11:09] <renee77> case "$TERM" in
[11:09] <renee77> xterm*|rxvt*)
[11:09] <renee77>     PS1="\[\e]0;${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h: \w\a\]$PS1"
[11:09] <renee77>     ;;
[11:09] <renee77> *)
[11:10] <renee77> hmm I tried to ask if there is missing a '('
[11:10] <yofel> no
[11:10] <renee77> why is that? 
[11:10] <renee77> not sure I understand
[11:11] <yofel> because foo) is the switch/case syntax in bash
[11:12] <renee77> ok thanks now I now what to search for :D
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:12] <renee77> hi
[11:13] <renee77> thanks yofel
[11:14] <renee77> got new laptop very happy felt disabled
[11:14] <renee77> without one
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nice
[11:15] <renee77> :D
[11:15] <yofel> yeah, I know that feeling (from when I broke mine a long time ago)
[11:15] <yofel> bbl
[11:15] <renee77> not sure what bbl is?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> be back later
[11:15] <renee77> cu
[11:16] <renee77> :)
[11:16] <BluesKaj> or bbl = be back later
[11:17] <renee77> lol
[11:17] <renee77> tx
[11:19] <BluesKaj> habe to reinstall my 16.10 OS and the dauly download is really slow ..wth is the mater with the repos ...it's a dev OS , shouldn't be that busy
[11:19] <BluesKaj> have
[11:26] <renee77> Not that experienced BluesKaj
[11:26] <renee77> do not know srry
[12:13] <clivejo> ok the script works if run from in the debian folder
[12:14] <clivejo> the instructions read like I need to run it in the package root
 Good morning
[12:14] <clivejo> I was running "sh debian/build-l10n.sh"
[12:15] <clivejo> BOLERPLATE NEEDS GENREICIFICATION 
[12:15] <clivejo> is that even a word?!?
[12:23] <clivejo> acheron88 mamarley: is kwallet working for you guys?
[12:27] <clivejo> so many languages!
[12:28] <yofel> clivejo: that's a *bash* script, it will misbehave if you run it with 'sh'
[12:28] <clivejo> looks like German is the biggest language
[12:28] <clivejo> how should I run it then?
[12:29] <acheron88> clivejo: along with akonadi and baloo, kwallet is one of the first things I disable/ditch when setting up 
[12:29] <acheron88> have no need of it, and it's just an annoyance
[12:29] <acheron88> sorry
[12:30] <yofel> clivejo: ./debian/build-l10n.sh Is what I do, using bash instead of sh should work too
[12:30] <clivejo> so this current run will probably fail cause Im in the debian folder?
[12:31] <mamarley> clivejo: I haven't tested it in the VM because I don't have any authentication credentials in there.
[12:31] <yofel> it might not
[12:31] <clivejo> its building sources now
[12:31] <yofel> and no, that's not a word, that's a sitter_ invention (TM)
[12:32] <clivejo> can I run the script again?
[12:32] <clivejo> and not have to download all the files?
[12:35] <yofel> "maybe"
[12:35] <yofel> just leave it running
[12:35] <yofel> it should work anyway
[12:35] <clivejo> dunno, feels wrong
[12:35] <clivejo> too fast
[12:36] <clivejo> I cant read the output
[12:36] <yofel> well, it really just builds packages, after downloading all the tars the script is pretty fast here too
[12:36] <clivejo> and it didnt ask for access to my key to sign them
[12:36] <yofel> because it creates unsigned packages, you need to debsign them yourself
[12:37] <clivejo> ha magic script my backside 
[12:38] <clivejo> have you it done?
[12:40] <clivejo> no I dont like that at all
[12:40] <yofel> the packages no. Only the old testset I created earlier
[12:41] <clivejo> Im gonna rm the entire folder and regrab from git
[12:41] <clivejo> theres a whole load of sed errors and things not in the right place
[12:43] <yofel> oh those, those are normal
[12:43] <yofel> a bunch of missing files is also normal
[12:43] <clivejo> grrr too late
[12:43] <clivejo> rerunning
[12:43] <yofel> or stuff that can't be deleted because it's not there
[12:44] <clivejo> Ill go make something while it all downloads again!
[13:24] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[13:24] <clivejo> I signed the packages and started to dput them to plasma-staging
[13:24] <clivejo> but they have no source
[13:26] <clivejo> the source files are there, but dput isnt sending them
[13:35] <clivejo> ah nevermind, being stupid
[13:38] <renee77> hey does somebody know what workspace-wayland stands for?
[13:39] <clivejo> renee77: what context?
[13:40] <clivejo> the new plasma version allows you to start a Wayland session
[13:41] <clivejo> but its very experimental
[13:41] <renee77> I was looking in cmakelist of kdevworspace and was searching on muon for kf5 saw it listed but cant exactly find who or when it is used
[13:41] <renee77> read graphical it is not there yet freezes with intel
[13:41] <clivejo> !info plasma-workspace-wayland
[13:42] <clivejo> Wayland is the new display server, which is to replace X
[13:42] <clivejo> https://wayland.freedesktop.org
[13:43] <renee77> ah ok yes read about it but forgot srry
[13:44] <renee77> thank you :D
[13:45] <renee77> at website now tx for info
[13:45] <clivejo> Martins blog is an interesting read - https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/tag/wayland/
[13:46] <clivejo> hes the project lead on getting plasma 5 running on wayland
[13:46] <renee77> ok thanks on screen now :D
[14:16] <oistercay> Hey guys, any hacker to help me please
[14:20] <soee> oistercay: hiho, we dont know what help you need
[14:21] <oistercay> soee: I am sorry, I thought I sent the whole message... I need the password of an e-mail account, paid if necessary
[14:22] <soee> i'm not sure what is the problem? You lost password to your email account ?
[14:23] <oistercay> soee: not really, I need to access someone else's account
[14:24] <soee> yes, like hack it ...
[14:24] <oistercay> soee: yup
[14:24] <soee> i doubt anyone her will help you with it ...
[14:24] <oistercay> it was worth a try lol
[14:26] <soee> clivejo: Plasma now depends on l10n packages ?
[14:26] <soee> or some packages?
[14:43] <clivejo> soee: plasma is now shipping translations as part of the package
[14:43] <clivejo> therefore the same files are in both and are causing conflicts
[14:48] <clivejo> anyone with a Yakkety system that could install plasma 5.6.4?
[14:49] <renee77> not me on willy now with 5.6.4
[14:49] <clivejo> you must be running KDE Neon then
[14:49] <renee77> yes
[14:50] <clivejo> BTW wily and willy are too different things :P
[14:50] <clivejo> two even
[14:50] <renee77> realy? (A)
[14:50] <renee77> lol
[14:51] <clivejo> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wily http://www.dictionary.com/browse/willy
[14:52] <renee77> hmmm cant decide which I like the most 
[14:52] <clivejo> well that patched kde-l10n seems to resolve the file conflict on my system 
[14:54] <clivejo> valorie: would you be brave enough?
[14:55] <DarinMiller> Hi clivejo. I am downloading YY now (very slow).
[14:55] <clivejo> renee77: I thought KDE Neon were supporting Xenial only now
[14:56] <clivejo> DarinMiller: I know how that feels!
[14:56] <DarinMiller> Is the NVidia driver/kernel issue fixed for YY or should I skip the Nvidia driver install?
[14:57] <clivejo> DarinMiller: not for me
[14:57] <renee77> I downloaded it yesterday
[14:58] <renee77> but maybe because I chose the stable version because I didnt know what to expect?
[14:59] <clivejo> Im using a daily snapshot of the kernel
[15:00] <clivejo> renee77: thats fine, but just understand KDE Neon and Kubuntu are two different projects
[15:00] <renee77> Ah in a sec will try latest almost done exploring this one :)
[15:00] <DarinMiller> from here? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:01] <renee77> yes I know but I read they were related and I like to try and discover
[15:01] <clivejo> yes, 4.6rc7
[15:01] <clivejo> the 4.4 kernel messed my system up big time
[15:01] <renee77> was curious for plasma 5.6.4
[15:02] <clivejo> renee77: do you know soee?
[15:02] <renee77> was not ready to build it myself, maybe now I can try :D
[15:02] <renee77> Not exactly :)
[15:03] <soee> what is going on ?
[15:03] <renee77> lol if we've met :)
[15:04] <renee77> why clivejo?
[15:04] <clivejo> soee: I found you a kindred soul!
[15:05] <clivejo> renee77: soee is curious for plasma 5.6.4 too!
[15:05] <renee77> and having some trouble if I understood correctly?
[15:06]  * soee wants Plasma 5.6.4, FW 5.22 and Apps 16.04.1 ... and ... :D
[15:07] <renee77> Lol I will install 16.04.1 right now and try to run plasma 5.6.4 :D
[15:07]  * soee .. and Wayland to have this tearing problems solve :|
[15:07] <clivejo> well FW5.22 hasnt been officially released?
[15:07] <clivejo> maybe today?
[15:07] <renee77> I got intel graphics now not sure if it is a good decision to go for wayland
[15:07] <soee> that is no reason to not want it :)
[15:08] <renee77> at the moment
[15:09] <renee77> haha ok shall give some updates 
[15:09] <clivejo> soee: if I could get this package install conflict resolved, I could start backporting it :P
[15:09] <soee> clivejo: this languages ?
[15:09] <clivejo> and your job as Bug Manager is to test :P
[15:10] <clivejo> yes
[15:12] <soee> i thought it was solved already ? :)
[15:13] <clivejo> I think it is, but need that confirmed by a couple of people first
[15:13] <soee> mamarleym BluesKaj: ^
[15:13] <mamarley> clivejo: I already have Plasma 5.6.4 installed on Yakkety.  What do you need?
[15:13] <clivejo> mamarley: did you force that plasma-desktop to install?
[15:14] <mamarley> clivejo: Yes.
[15:14] <clivejo> could you maybe ppa-purge staging plasma
[15:14] <clivejo> and try re-install it?
[15:15] <mamarley> Processing…
[15:15] <clivejo> it should now pull in the updated/patched kde-l10n and fingers crossed wont conflict with plasma-desktop on reinstall
[15:15] <clivejo> mamarley: what speed is your internet?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> soee:, clivejo I just installed plasma 5.6.3 and it seems ok so far , but i was wondering if i dare try to setup activities ?
[15:16] <mamarley> 200/20 advertised, it actually ends up being about 220/22
[15:16] <soee> BluesKaj: on XX or YY ?
[15:16] <mamarley> Soon I will probably be able to get Google Fiber, which is 1000/1000 xD
[15:16]  * clivejo chokes
[15:17] <BluesKaj> clean install no leftover configs in /home , ...on XX...YY is down for the count arm
[15:17] <mamarley> OK, purging staging-plasma now.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> soee: ^
[15:18] <soee> BluesKaj: oh ok, YY needs testing
[15:18] <clivejo> if only I had a decent internet connection
[15:18]  * clivejo day dreams
[15:18] <renee77> lol am I that slow, just downloading daily build :( but also going to install
[15:19] <BluesKaj> YY is too broken on this kernel , i can barely run it with nouveau ,and nvidia340 just breaks the desktop
[15:19] <mamarley> clivejo: It used to suck around here too, but when Google Fiber announced that they were coming to the area, it scared the incumbent monopoly ISP into shape.
[15:19] <mamarley> Competition is a wonderful thing.
[15:19] <clivejo> I wonder could I invite them to rural Ireland
[15:20] <clivejo> maybe lure them in with fishing and old castles etc
[15:21] <renee77> Just I stupid question *I think* does daily build update itself to next daily build?
[15:21] <renee77> I =a
[15:22] <soee> renee77: you just need to install available updates, thats all
[15:22] <renee77> ok thanks
[15:23] <clivejo> soee: was FW5.22 backported?
[15:23] <mamarley> Nope, no FW5.22 in Xenial yet.
[15:23] <soee> yup with 5.6.3
[15:24] <soee> ee oh wit
[15:24] <mamarley> clivejo: I purged and reinstalled staging-plasma and got no errors this time! :)
[15:24]  * clivejo jumps for joy
[15:24] <soee> right, 5.21 only
[15:25] <clivejo> ok so, FW5.22 needs doing first, then 5.6.4 and kde-l10n
[15:25]  * soee fixed VPS /boot partition being to small
[15:25] <mamarley> Yay!
[15:26] <clivejo> but FW5.22 hasnt releases a working version of kwallet according to the release team emails
[15:27] <soee> eyk :<
[15:29] <clivejo> mamarley: did it update kde-l10n?
[15:30] <mamarley> clivejo: Looks like it.
[15:30] <clivejo> to a ppa1 version?
[15:30] <DarinMiller> Still 2 hrs left to dl YY.  Anyone know why the ubuntu image server is so slow? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ )
[15:30] <mamarley> Already shut down the VM.  Let me boot it back up and check.
[15:30] <soee> DarinMiller: you dont have some older daily to zsync?
[15:30] <DarinMiller> Not yet.
[15:30] <renee77> lol over here it takes 1 hour it says
[15:30] <DarinMiller> In a couple hours I will.
[15:31] <DarinMiller> :)
[15:32] <renee77> did I say one make it 2 hours
[15:33] <mamarley> clivejo: It did indeed upgrade the l10n package. :)
[15:33] <clivejo> I think I understand it now!
[15:33] <soee> heyyeah! 
[15:33] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
[15:34] <clivejo> scarey
[15:34] <renee77> lol
[15:39] <clivejo> mamarley: have you tried installing apps 16.04.1?
[15:39] <mamarley> clivejo: I have not.
[15:39]  * mamarley fires up the VM again.
[15:40] <clivejo> LOL just leave it running :P
[15:40] <soee> clivejo: they are not finished imo
[15:43] <mamarley> "aptitude safe-upgrade" has 10 packages not upgradable.  I will upgrade the others first and then see what is going on with that.
[15:45] <mamarley> clivejo: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5kipi31.0.0_4%3a16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[15:45] <mamarley>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kipiplugin_kxmlhelloworld.so', which is also in package libkf5kipi30.0.0 15.12.3-0ubuntu1
[15:46] <mamarley> And, the uninstallable stuff is Akonadi.
[15:47] <mamarley> It looks like the duplicate file thing is just that the package name changed and the new one needs to conflict with the old one.
[15:47] <mamarley> Yeah, once I remove the old kipi lib, the new one installs cleanly.
[15:48] <clivejo> mamarley: are you a kubuntu member?
[15:49] <mamarley> No
[15:49] <clivejo> why not?
[15:49] <mamarley> No reason in particular.  How does one get to be a Kubuntu member?
[15:49] <acheron88> just trying apps ppa here as well
[15:50] <clivejo> apply to the KCC I think
[15:52] <acheron88> hah. search google for 'kubuntu member' and result no. 2 was http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-has-a-new-member-clive-johnston/
[15:52] <mamarley> I'm not sure I have the two months of sustained contribution that would be required for that.
[15:52] <clivejo> mamarley: you seem to know your stuff
[15:53] <clivejo> plus you work on quassel
[15:53] <mamarley> I guess if you guys think I should apply I will apply.
[15:55] <clivejo> how long have you used Kubuntu?
[15:56] <acheron88> same result on the libkf5kipi packages BTW
[15:57] <clivejo> mamarley: do you know how to fix that error?
[15:59] <clivejo> I have to go for a few hours, be back later
[15:59] <renee77> cu
[16:00] <clivejo> mamarley: if you know how to fix that, can you post a diff file on paste.ubuntu.com or https://paste.kde.org
[16:01] <BluesKaj> clivejo: how are your activities working, if at all ?
[16:03] <acheron88> still having trouble with activities?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> anyone using activities with plasma 5.6.3 /
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:04] <acheron88> tried out in VBox earlier. seems to work? or at least run
[16:05] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  , no,  i haven't created any yet , wondering if anyone has them working in plasma 5.6
[16:05] <acheron88> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/R82KHv9.png
[16:07] <acheron88> don't normally use them though, so that screenshot is as far as I went.
[16:07] <BluesKaj> right...think I'll stick with VDs instead for now
[16:07] <soee> clivejo: imo, lets try backport Plasma and FW first, than do apps
[18:17] <soee_> plasmashell using 185 MB only, how nice ;)
[18:17] <clivejo> activities are working fine for me
[18:17] <soee_> they should
[18:21] <soee_> clivejo: backporting ? :>
[18:22] <clivejo> nope, eatting fruit pastilles
[18:22] <clivejo> want one?
[18:22] <soee_> nope :)
[18:23] <clivejo> has the new network manager made it into xenial yet?
[18:27] <valorie> clivejo: brave enough for what?
[18:28] <clivejo> install plasma 5.6.4
[18:28] <clivejo> on your yakkety yak 
[18:29] <mparillo> I installed it on XX a few days ago. No obvious breakage.
[18:30] <clivejo> mparillo: where from?
[18:30] <valorie> is it in plasma-landing ppa?
[18:30] <mparillo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16346597/
[18:31] <mparillo> Hit:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[18:31] <clivejo> valorie: staging-plasma
[18:31] <clivejo> mparillo: thats FW5.21 and Plasma 5.6.3
[18:31] <valorie> oops, yeah
[18:31] <mparillo> Ooops,. Behind again.
[18:32] <mparillo> Is 5.6.4 in staging? landing?
[18:32] <valorie> we're getting ready to take off to the cabin in an hour or so, but I can get my "old" computer upgraded, yeah
[18:32] <clivejo> Im bit nerious of that networkmanager update in Xenial
[18:32] <clivejo> mparillo: its in staging-plasma but only for YY at the moment
[18:33] <mparillo> I have a vm all ready to go.
[18:33] <mparillo> see you soon.
[18:34] <clivejo> mparillo: what cased that discover-updater dependency error?
[18:34] <mparillo> I never found out. It did not seem to hurt anything.
[18:35] <mparillo> But usually (especially early in a development release) I just use apt.
[18:40] <valorie> heh, I forgot I never upgraded that computer in the first place
[18:40] <valorie> I got it to yakkety and shut it down
[18:40] <valorie> so there are over 400 packages to upgrade
[18:41] <clivejo> oh
[18:43] <valorie> like a crazy woman, I upgraded my "production" laptop too
[18:43] <valorie> to 5.6.3
[18:43] <clivejo> you arent crazy
[18:44] <clivejo> you're a professional tester
[18:44] <mamarley> All my "production" systems are running 5.6.3.
[18:44] <valorie> mamarley: I saw above you are interested in Kubuntu Membership?
[18:44]  * clivejo covers ears and la la la's
[18:44] <soee_> :)
[18:44] <mamarley> valorie: clivejo thinks I should apply.
[18:44] <soee_> +1 for mamarley K membership :)
[18:45] <valorie> clive is a happy member
[18:45] <clivejo> dont believe valorie
[18:45] <valorie> Clive needs to be Kubuntu Developer!
[18:45] <mamarley> I'm not really sure I qualify though.
[18:45] <valorie> which is out of my hands
[18:45] <clivejo> she made me apply
[18:45] <soee_> and you can join my team called "Annoying testers" -.-
[18:45] <valorie> I did
[18:45] <valorie> soee_: you aren't a member yet?
[18:45] <soee_> valorie: i do tests only :)
[18:46] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[18:46] <valorie> not true, soee_ -- you keep us up on the news
[18:47] <mamarley> valorie: What is your opinion of me applying for membership?
[18:48] <clivejo> the perks are great, I love the new company car and the business trips
[18:48] <mamarley> Haha
[18:48] <valorie> dooooo eeeet
[18:48] <clivejo> private jets you name it
[18:49] <clivejo> and cookies
[18:49] <soee_> i think 15 min to the greatest show in Europe ...
[18:49] <valorie> as for trips, once you are an Ubuntu Member (which you have once you are Kub Member) you can apply for travel funds
[18:49] <mamarley> If Kubuntu had enough money for that stuff, then you guys could be hired full-time to do the packaging. :)
[18:49] <valorie> come to Akademy
[18:49] <valorie> meet with us
[18:50] <valorie> we have our annual meeting at Akademy since Ubuntu stopped doing UDS
[18:50] <mamarley> I already have a well-paying job, so i wouldn't want to ask for money for that stuff.
[18:50] <valorie> it's the first of September in Berlin this year, with QtCon
[18:50] <soee_> clivejo: ping
[18:50] <valorie> woah, my upgrade is almost done
[18:51] <mamarley> Ah, I have been to Germany before but never to Berlin.
[18:51] <clivejo> soee_: pong
[18:51] <marco-parillo> I opened my YY VM, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma and 250 packages to update, a few to add, and kactivities kde-spectacle libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils7 will be removed.
[18:52] <soee_> clivejo: you do a lot of packaging, maybe to start something like Scarletts patron account, so i could donate like 2$ each month, always something :)
[18:53] <clivejo> soee_: Id rather you donated directly to Kubuntu or KDE
[18:53] <soee_> well could be
[18:54] <clivejo> I dont like the way patron take a slice
[18:55] <soee_> YY will use Kernel 4.7?
[18:55] <clivejo> 10% down the toilet just for using that site
[18:56] <soee_> well true
[18:57] <valorie> I've upgraded and restarted
[18:57]  * clivejo crosses fingers
[18:57] <valorie> anything in particular you want tested, clivejo?
[18:57] <clivejo> no package clonflicts?
[18:57] <valorie> no, completely uneventful
[18:58] <clivejo> can you test kwallet
[18:58] <valorie> must have worked, because it's online
[18:58] <clivejo> and activities
[18:59] <valorie> well, I've never used them, but the activities setup comes up with no problems
[18:59] <valorie> the only error I get is the same old "something needs flash"
[19:00] <valorie> probably FF, which I usually don't use
[19:00] <valorie> there is always an error in which it doesn't install
[19:00] <valorie> and then you can't see the errors
[19:00] <clivejo> there was a zero day expoilt in flash, best to update it
[19:00] <valorie> but that's been going on for months
[19:01] <valorie> it updates in apt, but this updater keeps nagging
[19:01] <valorie> I don't think it's KDE
[19:01] <valorie> I have it on this laptop too, every restart
[19:01] <soee_> Eurovision started ...
[19:02] <soee_> rofl... what they are wearing oO
[19:03] <valorie> son is here, I'm out for a day
[19:03] <clivejo> have a good one valorie
[19:11] <marco-parillo> Kinfocenter reports 5.6.4
[19:12] <clivejo> thats a good start :)
[19:12] <marco-parillo> Good work. Time to change the Status?
[19:17] <marco-parillo> It does look like i have seven stopped activities...all desktop/
[19:18] <clivejo> did you create them?
[19:18] <marco-parillo> I sure do not remember doing so.
[19:19] <marco-parillo> When you go to activities, how many do you have?
[19:19] <clivejo> I have 3
[19:19] <marco-parillo> And you created them?
[19:19] <clivejo> yup
[19:19] <marco-parillo> Was valorie upgradeing also?
[19:20] <clivejo> I have my OSM and Kubuntu work areas and then a general one for chillaxing
[19:20] <marco-parillo> Would you be able to set your panel to auto-hide?
[19:20] <clivejo> with different widgits and feed on each of them
[19:21] <clivejo> ok done
[19:21] <marco-parillo> Now see of the bottom of your windows seems to conflict with the panel.
[19:21] <marco-parillo> see if
[19:21] <clivejo> doesnt actually seem to hide
[19:23] <clivejo> the bottom of the window goes under the pane
[19:23] <clivejo> wird
[19:23] <clivejo> weird
[19:23] <marco-parillo> I think soee_  found it first. I then found it independently on XX with Plasma 5.6.3 and it is not fixed. Let me see if I can remember the bug number some helpful soul found for me.
[19:24] <acheron88> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
[19:24] <acheron88> I asked about that in #plasma yesterday
[19:25] <marco-parillo> acheron88: found https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
[19:26] <marco-parillo> It was YOU!
[19:26] <marco-parillo> TY
[19:26] <acheron88> lol
[19:27] <acheron88> plasma devs didn't seem to know why it was happening yesterday
[19:31] <marco-parillo> I updated the bug with 5.6.4
[19:37] <acheron88> I just have a small panel rather than auto-hide/can cover, so hadn't noticed that until soee asked me to try it
[19:42] <DarinMiller> To get around the autohide issue on my 13.3in laptop, I removed the panel entirely and put my own widgets at the bottom.
[19:43] <DarinMiller> works quite well actually. However, I have to "show desktop" (super+D) to use/see my widgets.
[19:50] <marco-parillo> The rekonq icon on my Application Launcher looks different after the Plasma upgrade.
[19:57] <clivejo> DarinMiller: are you on XX or YY?
[20:00] <DarinMiller> XX on all but one PC.  Just installed YY and adding PPA/drivers now.
[20:01] <DarinMiller> Willing to test anything both on the XX or YY boxes.
[20:17] <renee77> hi 
[20:17] <renee77> soee_:  I am sorry it is still installing updates :(
[20:18] <renee77> no plasma 5.6.4 yet and not even a chance of trying apps 16.04.1 :(
[20:19] <renee77> So now I am already missing plasma 5.6.4 ;-)
[20:21] <renee77> too ;)
[20:22] <marco-parillo> I have it
[20:23]  * clivejo has it too 
[20:23] <marco-parillo> renee77: from YY sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[20:24] <renee77> ok thanks :)
[20:24] <marco-parillo> Can you invoke kde-spectacle from krunner (alt-f2)?
[20:24] <renee77> nope krunner
[20:25] <clivejo> spectacle is part of apps, so is out of date at the minute
[20:26] <renee77> but not able to try install plasma, download image installing updates took a little longer as expected
[20:26] <renee77> 5.6.4 I a meen
[20:26] <renee77> ok :)
[20:30] <marco-parillo> Thank you clivejo kde-spectacle : Depends: libkf5screen6 (>= 5.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[20:30] <marco-parillo> But ksnapshot is removed.
[20:30] <renee77> marco-parillo:  thank you too
[20:30] <clivejo> ksnapshot doesnt exist any more
[20:31] <clivejo> spectacle is the kf5 replacement
[20:31] <marco-parillo> It seems to be in YY: 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1 500
[20:32] <marco-parillo> ksnapshot is not installed, but it seems to be still in universe. 
[20:34] <marco-parillo> It works.
[20:41] <renee77> hmm now network eror loading qml file
[20:44] <renee77> _zn14networkmanager11WimaxDevice16staticmetaobjece
[20:44] <renee77> undefined symbol
[20:44] <clivejo> you installed xenial?
[20:44] <renee77> not getting search results 
[20:44] <renee77> yup
[20:45] <clivejo> theres a bug affecting the network manager
[20:45] <renee77> ok what search query do i have to use to find it?
[20:46] <clivejo> find what?
[20:46] <renee77> the bug :D
[20:46] <renee77> I was not getting anything
[20:46] <clivejo> you have found it
[20:46] <renee77> huh losing you
[20:47] <clivejo> Bug 1569674
[20:47] <renee77> thanks :)
[20:57] <renee77> dont see anyone mentioning mentioning what I told you clivejo do I add a post or do you know enough now?
[20:58] <renee77> ah there it is srry 
[20:59] <clivejo> the symbols issue is due to a new version of networkmanager
[20:59] <clivejo> yofel has been trying to get it fixed
[21:00] <renee77> ah will try to test the fix :)
[21:00] <renee77> I got a new dualband networkcard may it is to new?
[21:01] <renee77> or am I sounding stupid?
[21:05] <clivejo> I wonder if I backported the new networkmanager from yakkety and built networkmanager-qt on top of that
[21:06] <renee77> :0
[21:10] <clivejo> has anyone tried to downgrade and hold the 5.18 version
[21:12] <renee77> hmm launchpad for kubuntu bugs only has bugs reported for ubuntu network manager mine is with qt
[21:13] <clivejo> it might be still in the apt cache?
[21:13] <renee77> ok 
[21:13] <sheytan> Heya!
[21:13] <sheytan> how to help test 5.6
[21:13] <clivejo> networkmanager-qt is a wrapper
[21:13] <sheytan> and how many things will break :D
[21:14] <renee77> ah :D
[21:14] <renee77> only one thin shey
[21:14] <renee77> sheytan: 
[21:14]  * vandenoever is running 5.6.4 on nixos, some bugs but doable
[21:14] <renee77> lose my ability to use keyboard lol
[21:16] <sheytan> renee77: well :D
[21:16] <sheytan> i would need that one :D
[21:16]  * sheytan is having a usb keyboard somwhere
[21:17] <renee77> haha\
[21:18] <sheytan> got any ppa ?
[21:18] <renee77> I ment my typing skills ;-) also writing skills in english are terrible today
[21:18] <sheytan> aaah
[21:18]  * clivejo isnt very happy about people testing from staging PPA's
[21:19] <renee77> waited ages for downloading xenial then ages for installing updates and now one bug networkmanager not yet fully upgraded ;)
[21:20] <renee77> hmm why is that clivejo
[21:20] <clivejo> because they change a lot
[21:21] <clivejo> and if someone forgets to remove it, the system will break
[21:21] <renee77> ah was looking forward installing plasma from it ;)
[21:23] <renee77> do you mind enlightning me? remove ppa? or packages installed with ppa when released to normal rep?
[21:24] <clivejo> if you dont know how to ppa add and ppa purge, please dont use them
[21:27] <renee77> I do know how to add and purge, was wondering how to apply fixes and updates (dont mind finding out the hard way, will do so in virtualbox :))
[21:28] <renee77> first want to try fix networkmanager in xenial 16.04 
[21:28] <clivejo> what version is installed?
[21:30] <renee77> 16.04 lts
[21:31] <renee77> not yet daily
[21:31] <clivejo> of networkmanager
[21:31] <acheron88> is this moving out of staging then? http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945
[21:33]  * clivejo gulps
[21:34] <acheron88> that's a no then....
[21:36] <clivejo> I just needed a couple of testers to check if a package conflict was fixed :/
[21:36] <renee77> 1.2.0
[21:37] <renee77> ending with 16.04.2
[21:40] <clivejo> thats the proposed version
[21:40] <clivejo> have you proposed enabled?
[21:42] <renee77> not intended it was crashing and selected after install tried to unable it thought I succeeded
[21:42] <renee77> It was showing the no-update error which was also in muon package manager
[21:44] <renee77> through update manager from applauncher updates kept waiting for something to finish systemtray was also showing availleble updates then it started. But inxi was for example also in updates and now not installed
[21:45] <renee77> I thought the clean install and not yet updated was trigering this
[21:47] <renee77> ps -a wasnt showing anything at that moment  neither was system activity
[21:48] <renee77> at least nothing unusual :)
[21:54] <clivejo> thats the reason I dont want to backport to Xenial right now
[21:59] <renee77> just finished downgrade restarting now :) we'll see
[22:02] <renee77> But i was wondering if firmware had something to do with it as I have a new laptop since yesterday
 What's wrong?
[22:07] <renee77> ah having that networkbug 
[22:25] <renee77> downgrade didnt help :)
[22:25] <renee77> tiered now going to sleep tomorow another day :) thanks clivejo
[22:26] <clivejo> night night
[22:26] <renee77> :)
 Uhm
[22:26] <renee77> ? :)
[22:38] <mparillo> clivejo: sorry for testing out of staging, but (1) seems to work ok, and (2). I can always re-start the VM.
[23:09] <DarinMiller> Window can cover/autohide panel is working in YY with plasma staging ppa 5.6.4 (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105)
[23:13] <soee_> i would like to test it on Xenial :)
[23:13] <DarinMiller> Not sure if it's video driver dependent though.  I cannot install the NVidia 340 drivers even with the 4.6 rc-7 kernel, so using default nouveau driver...
[23:14] <soee_> clivejo: had this issue i think
[23:14] <soee_> he used some patch 
[23:14] <DarinMiller> Yes.
[23:14] <DarinMiller> Oh, yeah.  I think he used mamarly's ppa....
[23:15] <DarinMiller> mamarley^^
[23:15] <soee_> i think so, yes
[23:18] <DarinMiller> Oxygen icons are missing in 5.6.4 YY.  Suppose this is this part of the kf5? icon set issues I saw mentioned a few days back?
[23:33]  * ahoneybun has 364.19 
[23:39] <soee_> +1
[23:42] <DarinMiller> my older laptops only have geforce 8 cards, so NVidia 340.96 is highest version available.  Might try YY on a newer machine...
[23:43] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: 364.19 work fine w/ YY?
[23:43] <ahoneybun> no clue on ZZ
[23:43] <ahoneybun> :)
[23:44] <ahoneybun> jk XX