[09:33] hm. where did our l10n wiki page go o.O [09:35] ah, found it [09:42] Hiding from you? [09:43] I had to google to find our general l10n page on community.kde.org, and on that page there's a tiny link to the page that explains the branch patter [09:43] l10n is in git now [09:43] but I still need to test it [09:48] it still tries to run bzr o.O [10:05] sadly bzr fast-export exports tags that are invalid in git, so we lost those [10:05] and I only moved xenial and master to git [10:06] but it builds packagers now, so that's done [10:06] *packages [10:07] Clifford: when you're looking for stuff, https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide tells you where it is [10:09] well 5.6.4 feels pretty stable for me [10:09] if I could get this router sorted Id be happy with the world again [10:10] and the result packages even seem to build \o/ [10:11] can CI build l10n now with that git archive? [10:12] not with the way we do it [10:14] clivejo: 5.6.4 is working fine in this VM too. :) [10:14] clivejo:also, the difference in l10n is that there's no yakkety branch, that's what master is for [10:15] bah, error: pathspec 'kubuntu_xenial_archive' did not match any file(s) known to git. [10:15] why.. [10:16] oh hm, the local re-cloning messes stuff up [10:17] is there not a build in converter in LP bzr->git [10:17] no [10:17] that's bzr fast-export | git --fast-import [10:18] with some more options [10:19] oooo http://www.catb.org/~esr/reposurgeon/ [10:24] 5.6.4 seems ok in a VM here as well, although can't test that exhaustively [10:26] ok, non-master building works too now [10:29] its a heavy internet user though? [10:31] yes [10:32] need a container? [10:33] need my router fixed! [10:34] * clivejo wonders if the big antenna is still about [10:36] so this package is purely ubuntu? [10:37] I dont see any debian [10:37] they do it differently [10:42] so added kcm_activities to overlapping-files [10:42] kde-l10n-aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2) yakkety; [10:42] !info kde-l10n [10:43] Package kde-l10n does not exist in yakkety [10:43] !info kde-l10n-pl [10:43] kde-l10n-pl (source: kde-l10n-pl): pl (pl) localization for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2 (yakkety), package size 11642 kB, installed size 23566 kB [10:44] so I need 0ubuntu3 [10:45] yofel: this ok - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kde-l10n-common/commit/?id=2f9bcd8a8994e5a1972de40c31b6a9d2721420b3 [10:46] yes, but add the PPA version to it, as we'll only upload that to the archive when 5.6 is uploaded [10:48] ok done [10:48] +kde-l10n-aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu3~ubuntu16.10~ppa1) yakkety; urgency=medium [10:49] ack [10:49] put that into staging, then you can set 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu3~ in baloo [10:51] plasma-desktop? [10:52] erm, right [10:52] where do I need to run debian/build-l10n.sh from? [10:53] kde-l10n-common/ [10:54] debian/build-l10n.sh: 19: debian/build-l10n.sh: source: not found [10:54] could not source common functions!! [10:56] does bzr work? [10:58] Im using the git one [10:59] it internally uses another bzr repo [10:59] oh [11:03] bzr seems to work, but its using my old email [11:06] it's read-only anyway [11:07] hi all [11:07] o/ [11:07] :) [11:09] I am on neon now and got a question in bashrc " [11:09] # If this is an xterm set the title to user@host:dir [11:09] case "$TERM" in [11:09] xterm*|rxvt*) [11:09] PS1="\[\e]0;${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h: \w\a\]$PS1" [11:09] ;; [11:09] *) [11:10] hmm I tried to ask if there is missing a '(' [11:10] no [11:10] why is that? [11:10] not sure I understand [11:11] because foo) is the switch/case syntax in bash [11:12] ok thanks now I now what to search for :D [11:12] Hiyas all [11:12] hi [11:13] thanks yofel [11:14] got new laptop very happy felt disabled [11:14] without one [11:14] nice [11:15] :D [11:15] yeah, I know that feeling (from when I broke mine a long time ago) [11:15] bbl [11:15] not sure what bbl is? [11:15] be back later [11:15] cu [11:16] :) [11:16] or bbl = be back later [11:17] lol [11:17] tx [11:19] habe to reinstall my 16.10 OS and the dauly download is really slow ..wth is the mater with the repos ...it's a dev OS , shouldn't be that busy [11:19] have [11:26] Not that experienced BluesKaj [11:26] do not know srry [12:13] ok the script works if run from in the debian folder [12:14] the instructions read like I need to run it in the package root [12:14] Good morning [12:14] I was running "sh debian/build-l10n.sh" [12:15] BOLERPLATE NEEDS GENREICIFICATION [12:15] is that even a word?!? [12:23] acheron88 mamarley: is kwallet working for you guys? [12:27] so many languages! [12:28] clivejo: that's a *bash* script, it will misbehave if you run it with 'sh' [12:28] looks like German is the biggest language [12:28] how should I run it then? [12:29] clivejo: along with akonadi and baloo, kwallet is one of the first things I disable/ditch when setting up [12:29] have no need of it, and it's just an annoyance [12:29] sorry [12:30] clivejo: ./debian/build-l10n.sh Is what I do, using bash instead of sh should work too [12:30] so this current run will probably fail cause Im in the debian folder? [12:31] clivejo: I haven't tested it in the VM because I don't have any authentication credentials in there. [12:31] it might not [12:31] its building sources now [12:31] and no, that's not a word, that's a sitter_ invention (TM) [12:32] can I run the script again? [12:32] and not have to download all the files? [12:35] "maybe" [12:35] just leave it running [12:35] it should work anyway [12:35] dunno, feels wrong [12:35] too fast [12:36] I cant read the output [12:36] well, it really just builds packages, after downloading all the tars the script is pretty fast here too [12:36] and it didnt ask for access to my key to sign them [12:36] because it creates unsigned packages, you need to debsign them yourself [12:37] ha magic script my backside [12:38] have you it done? [12:40] no I dont like that at all [12:40] the packages no. Only the old testset I created earlier [12:41] Im gonna rm the entire folder and regrab from git [12:41] theres a whole load of sed errors and things not in the right place [12:43] oh those, those are normal [12:43] a bunch of missing files is also normal [12:43] grrr too late [12:43] rerunning [12:43] or stuff that can't be deleted because it's not there [12:44] Ill go make something while it all downloads again! [13:24] yofel: ping [13:24] I signed the packages and started to dput them to plasma-staging [13:24] but they have no source [13:26] the source files are there, but dput isnt sending them [13:35] ah nevermind, being stupid [13:38] hey does somebody know what workspace-wayland stands for? [13:39] renee77: what context? [13:40] the new plasma version allows you to start a Wayland session [13:41] but its very experimental [13:41] I was looking in cmakelist of kdevworspace and was searching on muon for kf5 saw it listed but cant exactly find who or when it is used [13:41] read graphical it is not there yet freezes with intel [13:41] !info plasma-workspace-wayland [13:42] plasma-workspace-wayland (source: plasma-workspace): Plasma Workspace for KF5 - Wayland integration. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5.2-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 18 kB, installed size 107 kB [13:42] Wayland is the new display server, which is to replace X [13:42] https://wayland.freedesktop.org [13:43] ah ok yes read about it but forgot srry [13:44] thank you :D [13:45] at website now tx for info [13:45] Martins blog is an interesting read - https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/tag/wayland/ [13:46] hes the project lead on getting plasma 5 running on wayland [13:46] ok thanks on screen now :D [14:16] Hey guys, any hacker to help me please [14:20] oistercay: hiho, we dont know what help you need [14:21] soee: I am sorry, I thought I sent the whole message... I need the password of an e-mail account, paid if necessary [14:22] i'm not sure what is the problem? You lost password to your email account ? [14:23] soee: not really, I need to access someone else's account [14:24] yes, like hack it ... [14:24] soee: yup [14:24] i doubt anyone her will help you with it ... [14:24] it was worth a try lol [14:26] clivejo: Plasma now depends on l10n packages ? [14:26] or some packages? [14:43] soee: plasma is now shipping translations as part of the package [14:43] therefore the same files are in both and are causing conflicts [14:48] anyone with a Yakkety system that could install plasma 5.6.4? [14:49] not me on willy now with 5.6.4 [14:49] you must be running KDE Neon then [14:49] yes [14:50] BTW wily and willy are too different things :P [14:50] two even [14:50] realy? (A) [14:50] lol [14:51] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wily http://www.dictionary.com/browse/willy [14:52] hmmm cant decide which I like the most [14:52] well that patched kde-l10n seems to resolve the file conflict on my system [14:54] valorie: would you be brave enough? [14:55] Hi clivejo. I am downloading YY now (very slow). [14:55] renee77: I thought KDE Neon were supporting Xenial only now [14:56] DarinMiller: I know how that feels! [14:56] Is the NVidia driver/kernel issue fixed for YY or should I skip the Nvidia driver install? [14:57] DarinMiller: not for me [14:57] I downloaded it yesterday [14:58] but maybe because I chose the stable version because I didnt know what to expect? [14:59] Im using a daily snapshot of the kernel [15:00] renee77: thats fine, but just understand KDE Neon and Kubuntu are two different projects [15:00] Ah in a sec will try latest almost done exploring this one :) [15:00] from here? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [15:01] yes I know but I read they were related and I like to try and discover [15:01] yes, 4.6rc7 [15:01] the 4.4 kernel messed my system up big time [15:01] was curious for plasma 5.6.4 [15:02] renee77: do you know soee? [15:02] was not ready to build it myself, maybe now I can try :D [15:02] Not exactly :) [15:03] what is going on ? [15:03] lol if we've met :) [15:04] why clivejo? [15:04] soee: I found you a kindred soul! [15:05] renee77: soee is curious for plasma 5.6.4 too! [15:05] and having some trouble if I understood correctly? [15:06] * soee wants Plasma 5.6.4, FW 5.22 and Apps 16.04.1 ... and ... :D [15:07] Lol I will install 16.04.1 right now and try to run plasma 5.6.4 :D [15:07] * soee .. and Wayland to have this tearing problems solve :| [15:07] well FW5.22 hasnt been officially released? [15:07] maybe today? [15:07] I got intel graphics now not sure if it is a good decision to go for wayland [15:07] that is no reason to not want it :) [15:08] at the moment [15:09] haha ok shall give some updates [15:09] soee: if I could get this package install conflict resolved, I could start backporting it :P [15:09] clivejo: this languages ? [15:09] and your job as Bug Manager is to test :P [15:10] yes [15:12] i thought it was solved already ? :) [15:13] I think it is, but need that confirmed by a couple of people first [15:13] mamarleym BluesKaj: ^ [15:13] clivejo: I already have Plasma 5.6.4 installed on Yakkety. What do you need? [15:13] mamarley: did you force that plasma-desktop to install? [15:14] clivejo: Yes. [15:14] could you maybe ppa-purge staging plasma [15:14] and try re-install it? [15:15] Processing… [15:15] it should now pull in the updated/patched kde-l10n and fingers crossed wont conflict with plasma-desktop on reinstall [15:15] mamarley: what speed is your internet? [15:15] soee:, clivejo I just installed plasma 5.6.3 and it seems ok so far , but i was wondering if i dare try to setup activities ? [15:16] 200/20 advertised, it actually ends up being about 220/22 [15:16] BluesKaj: on XX or YY ? [15:16] Soon I will probably be able to get Google Fiber, which is 1000/1000 xD [15:16] * clivejo chokes [15:17] clean install no leftover configs in /home , ...on XX...YY is down for the count arm [15:17] OK, purging staging-plasma now. [15:17] soee: ^ [15:18] BluesKaj: oh ok, YY needs testing [15:18] if only I had a decent internet connection [15:18] * clivejo day dreams [15:18] lol am I that slow, just downloading daily build :( but also going to install [15:19] YY is too broken on this kernel , i can barely run it with nouveau ,and nvidia340 just breaks the desktop [15:19] clivejo: It used to suck around here too, but when Google Fiber announced that they were coming to the area, it scared the incumbent monopoly ISP into shape. [15:19] Competition is a wonderful thing. [15:19] I wonder could I invite them to rural Ireland [15:20] maybe lure them in with fishing and old castles etc [15:21] Just I stupid question *I think* does daily build update itself to next daily build? [15:21] I =a [15:22] renee77: you just need to install available updates, thats all [15:22] ok thanks [15:23] soee: was FW5.22 backported? [15:23] Nope, no FW5.22 in Xenial yet. [15:23] yup with 5.6.3 [15:24] ee oh wit [15:24] clivejo: I purged and reinstalled staging-plasma and got no errors this time! :) [15:24] * clivejo jumps for joy [15:24] right, 5.21 only [15:25] ok so, FW5.22 needs doing first, then 5.6.4 and kde-l10n [15:25] * soee fixed VPS /boot partition being to small [15:25] Yay! [15:26] but FW5.22 hasnt releases a working version of kwallet according to the release team emails [15:27] eyk :< [15:29] mamarley: did it update kde-l10n? [15:30] clivejo: Looks like it. [15:30] to a ppa1 version? [15:30] Still 2 hrs left to dl YY. Anyone know why the ubuntu image server is so slow? (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ ) [15:30] Already shut down the VM. Let me boot it back up and check. [15:30] DarinMiller: you dont have some older daily to zsync? [15:30] Not yet. [15:30] lol over here it takes 1 hour it says [15:30] In a couple hours I will. [15:31] :) [15:32] did I say one make it 2 hours [15:33] clivejo: It did indeed upgrade the l10n package. :) [15:33] I think I understand it now! [15:33] heyyeah! [15:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [15:34] scarey [15:34] lol [15:39] mamarley: have you tried installing apps 16.04.1? [15:39] clivejo: I have not. [15:39] * mamarley fires up the VM again. [15:40] LOL just leave it running :P [15:40] clivejo: they are not finished imo [15:43] "aptitude safe-upgrade" has 10 packages not upgradable. I will upgrade the others first and then see what is going on with that. [15:45] clivejo: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5kipi31.0.0_4%3a16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa3_amd64.deb (--unpack): [15:45] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kipiplugin_kxmlhelloworld.so', which is also in package libkf5kipi30.0.0 15.12.3-0ubuntu1 [15:46] And, the uninstallable stuff is Akonadi. [15:47] It looks like the duplicate file thing is just that the package name changed and the new one needs to conflict with the old one. [15:47] Yeah, once I remove the old kipi lib, the new one installs cleanly. [15:48] mamarley: are you a kubuntu member? [15:49] No [15:49] why not? [15:49] No reason in particular. How does one get to be a Kubuntu member? [15:49] just trying apps ppa here as well [15:50] apply to the KCC I think [15:52] hah. search google for 'kubuntu member' and result no. 2 was http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-has-a-new-member-clive-johnston/ [15:52] I'm not sure I have the two months of sustained contribution that would be required for that. [15:52] mamarley: you seem to know your stuff [15:53] plus you work on quassel [15:53] I guess if you guys think I should apply I will apply. [15:55] how long have you used Kubuntu? [15:56] same result on the libkf5kipi packages BTW [15:57] mamarley: do you know how to fix that error? [15:59] I have to go for a few hours, be back later [15:59] cu [16:00] mamarley: if you know how to fix that, can you post a diff file on paste.ubuntu.com or https://paste.kde.org [16:01] clivejo: how are your activities working, if at all ? [16:03] still having trouble with activities? [16:04] anyone using activities with plasma 5.6.3 / [16:04] ? [16:04] tried out in VBox earlier. seems to work? or at least run [16:05] acheron88: , no, i haven't created any yet , wondering if anyone has them working in plasma 5.6 [16:05] BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/R82KHv9.png [16:07] don't normally use them though, so that screenshot is as far as I went. [16:07] right...think I'll stick with VDs instead for now [16:07] clivejo: imo, lets try backport Plasma and FW first, than do apps [18:17] plasmashell using 185 MB only, how nice ;) [18:17] activities are working fine for me [18:17] they should [18:21] clivejo: backporting ? :> [18:22] nope, eatting fruit pastilles [18:22] want one? [18:22] nope :) [18:23] has the new network manager made it into xenial yet? [18:27] clivejo: brave enough for what? [18:28] install plasma 5.6.4 [18:28] on your yakkety yak [18:29] I installed it on XX a few days ago. No obvious breakage. [18:30] mparillo: where from? [18:30] is it in plasma-landing ppa? [18:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16346597/ [18:31] Hit:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma/ubuntu xenial InRelease [18:31] valorie: staging-plasma [18:31] mparillo: thats FW5.21 and Plasma 5.6.3 [18:31] oops, yeah [18:31] Ooops,. Behind again. [18:32] Is 5.6.4 in staging? landing? [18:32] we're getting ready to take off to the cabin in an hour or so, but I can get my "old" computer upgraded, yeah [18:32] Im bit nerious of that networkmanager update in Xenial [18:32] mparillo: its in staging-plasma but only for YY at the moment [18:33] I have a vm all ready to go. [18:33] see you soon. [18:34] mparillo: what cased that discover-updater dependency error? [18:34] I never found out. It did not seem to hurt anything. [18:35] But usually (especially early in a development release) I just use apt. [18:40] heh, I forgot I never upgraded that computer in the first place [18:40] I got it to yakkety and shut it down [18:40] so there are over 400 packages to upgrade [18:41] oh [18:43] like a crazy woman, I upgraded my "production" laptop too [18:43] to 5.6.3 [18:43] you arent crazy [18:44] you're a professional tester [18:44] All my "production" systems are running 5.6.3. [18:44] mamarley: I saw above you are interested in Kubuntu Membership? [18:44] * clivejo covers ears and la la la's [18:44] :) [18:44] valorie: clivejo thinks I should apply. [18:44] +1 for mamarley K membership :) [18:45] clive is a happy member [18:45] dont believe valorie [18:45] Clive needs to be Kubuntu Developer! [18:45] I'm not really sure I qualify though. [18:45] which is out of my hands [18:45] she made me apply [18:45] and you can join my team called "Annoying testers" -.- [18:45] I did [18:45] soee_: you aren't a member yet? [18:45] valorie: i do tests only :) [18:46] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Membership [18:46] not true, soee_ -- you keep us up on the news [18:47] valorie: What is your opinion of me applying for membership? [18:48] the perks are great, I love the new company car and the business trips [18:48] Haha [18:48] dooooo eeeet [18:48] private jets you name it [18:49] and cookies [18:49] i think 15 min to the greatest show in Europe ... [18:49] as for trips, once you are an Ubuntu Member (which you have once you are Kub Member) you can apply for travel funds [18:49] If Kubuntu had enough money for that stuff, then you guys could be hired full-time to do the packaging. :) [18:49] come to Akademy [18:49] meet with us [18:50] we have our annual meeting at Akademy since Ubuntu stopped doing UDS [18:50] I already have a well-paying job, so i wouldn't want to ask for money for that stuff. [18:50] it's the first of September in Berlin this year, with QtCon [18:50] clivejo: ping [18:50] woah, my upgrade is almost done [18:51] Ah, I have been to Germany before but never to Berlin. [18:51] soee_: pong [18:51] I opened my YY VM, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma and 250 packages to update, a few to add, and kactivities kde-spectacle libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils7 will be removed. [18:52] clivejo: you do a lot of packaging, maybe to start something like Scarletts patron account, so i could donate like 2$ each month, always something :) [18:53] soee_: Id rather you donated directly to Kubuntu or KDE [18:53] well could be [18:54] I dont like the way patron take a slice [18:55] YY will use Kernel 4.7? [18:55] 10% down the toilet just for using that site [18:56] well true [18:57] I've upgraded and restarted [18:57] * clivejo crosses fingers [18:57] anything in particular you want tested, clivejo? [18:57] no package clonflicts? [18:57]