[03:34] <abhishek> hi guys!
[03:34] <abhishek> I just installed kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop!
[03:42] <DarinMiller> Fun times.  Let the adventures begin :)
[03:43] <abhishek> My wifi is not working
[03:43] <abhishek> at times it doesn't search for the nearby networks and at other times it connects to them but internet doesn't work
[03:43] <DarinMiller> abhishek: did you use the live session for install?
[03:43] <abhishek> any suggestion?
[03:44] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I installed via usb
[03:45] <DarinMiller> abhishek: was wifi working during the install?
[03:46] <abhishek> I think so.
[03:47] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo lshw | grep Wireless
[03:47] <DarinMiller> what is the output?
[03:48] <DarinMiller> abhishek: or sudo lshw > t.txt && kate t.txt &
[03:48] <DarinMiller> abhishek:  then search the file for wireless.
[03:49] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I suspect you may have a broadcom card and may need to install proprietary drivers from the repos.
[03:50] <abhishek> DarinMiller, is there any automated way to install all proprietary drivers for my pc
[03:51] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I also noticed your other post on kde regarding prorpietary drivers... and the detection hw detection tool  currently times out.
[03:51] <DarinMiller> abhishek: Usually the hw detection works really well, but until it's fixed, we willl need to install manually.
[03:53] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the broken Driver Manager is found in System Settings in the Hardware section...  Issue is known and hopefully will be fixed by 16.04.1 reelase...
[03:56] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks for the reply. No problems :) I did grep on the config file you said http://codepad.org/BomJKH10
[03:56] <abhishek> is this helpful?
[03:57] <DarinMiller> yes, the last line is your wirelesss card...
[03:58] <abhishek> DarinMiller, okay how can I find corresponding driver in repos?
[03:58] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I am not familiar with this card, but give this a try: http://askubuntu.com/questions/760970/realtek-driver-rtl8723be-not-working-in-ubuntu-16-04-kernel-4-4
[03:59] <DarinMiller> abhishek: does your laptop have secure boot or is it an older laptop?
[03:59] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I disabled the secure boot from start :)
[04:00] <DarinMiller> abhishek: This was the solution for 14.04 installs, but I not sure it applies here:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[04:02] <DarinMiller> abhishek: This site looks promising: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-trusty-realtek.html
[04:03] <abhishek> DarinMiller, looks good! Giving it a try right now.
[04:05] <DarinMiller> abhishek: very good.  I don't think the HW detection would have helped in this case as I do not see Realtek wireless drivers in the std repos.
[04:25] <abhishek> DarinMiller, works fine, thanks! I also tried 1) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi   2)sudo apt-get update    3)sudo apt-get install rtlwifi-new-dkms linux-firmware
[04:25] <DarinMiller> abhishek: nice job!
[04:28] <DarinMiller> abhishek: do you have an NVidia GPU?  I can guide the install of those drivers if needed.
[04:28] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I have been using kubuntu 15.10 for while and it was great! I just installed 16.04 on a new laptop. It though is more stable, transitions are not very smooth like resizing windows, it flashes.
[04:29] <DarinMiller> abhishek: what video card do you have?
[04:29] <abhishek> DarinMiller, Yeah I do, I installed from repos. I will post details, as it doesn't work that good. I don't think I have done it correctly though.
[04:30] <abhishek> DarinMiller,  NVIDIA GeForce 940M (4 GB DDR3L dedicated) complete specs: http://www.hpshopping.in/HP_Pavilion_Notebook_-_15-ab549tx
[04:31] <DarinMiller> abhishek: Cool. Add this repository:   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[04:31] <DarinMiller> abhishek:  sudo apt update
[04:32] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks! This is what I have right now http://codepad.org/bCaD79Oc
[04:32] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo apt install nvidia-364
[04:33] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the ppa above is an official ubuntu ppa and has the stable 364 driver in it...
[04:34] <abhishek> DarinMiller, should I do a sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* before?
[04:35] <DarinMiller> abhishek: purging should not be necessary as the driver installer usually is very good about installing over current drivers.
[04:46] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks, should I reboot after installing?
[05:00] <DarinMiller> abhishek: You had me worried. Your reboot seemed to take a long time...
[05:01] <abhishek> DarinMiller, works awesome now! thanks!
[05:01] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the only proprietry driver left to install (that I can see from your link) is the intel-microcode...
[05:01] <Quantos> What precisely does the microcode do?
[05:02] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo apt install intel-microcode
[05:02] <abhishek> Quantos, Just searched it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4366837/what-is-intel-microcode
[05:02] <Quantos> Thanks man
[05:05] <abhishek> DarinMiller, great, installed it! Thanks so much!
[05:05] <DarinMiller> abhishek: You are very welcome!
[05:05] <abhishek> can you please tell me how you figured out what drivers were left.
[05:09] <DarinMiller> Wireless, gpu and cpu drivers are typically the drivers I see when the HW detection is working.  You may want to verify your SD card reader works. Other than that, I have not experienced other HW requiring special drivers (other than printers/scanners).
[05:16] <abhishek> DarinMiller, interesting, thanks.
[05:50] <KDE_Lover> Hello All. Is there a way to disable Plasma in Kubuntu 16.04 and go back to the old Classic look?
[05:50] <KDE_Lover> ( I really want to, the only reason I want to abandon is the PLasma look, else I am a KDE fan )
[06:56] <abhishek> hi guys!
[06:57] <abhishek> I am stuck on these 2 issues. http://codepad.org/hGEXCN7A
[07:01] <hyper_ch2> hi there, I did add some openvpn connections to systemd using systemctl enable openvpn@CONF.service.... now when I reboot and don't have ethernet access I face two problems: (1) 5 minute timeout https://images.sjau.ch/img/81f55115.jpg (2) after finally loading kde, network manager errors: Error loading QML file....... plugin cannot be loaded for module etc.....     however when I'm connected on ethernet during boot, none of those problems appea
[07:22] <abhishek> guys I have posted both questions here http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek http://askubuntu.com/questions/772182/pci-bus-error-on-startup-while-booting-into-login-screen-kubuntu-16-04
[07:22] <abhishek> please check if possible.
[07:38] <_ebola_> abhishek: if you want support you should also show what hardware you have
[07:38] <_ebola_> abhishek: not just the driver
[07:40] <abhishek> _ebola_, please let me what details are required
[07:40] <abhishek> I mentioned the specs of pc
[07:43] <_ebola_> abhishek: I didn't see the hardware listing in the forum post
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: thats just something you may want to add
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: another thing you may want to do is boot off of some live distro's like puppy linux, debian, etc and see if the issue with wifi is linux/driver related
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: see if you can pin it down yourself more closely
[07:44] <abhishek> _ebola_, this is my specs: http://www.hpshopping.in/HP_Pavilion_Notebook_-_15-ab549tx
[07:45] <_ebola_> abhishek: what you wanna do is add a screenshot of "lspci" to the post for example
[07:45] <_ebola_> where it shows your wifi card
[07:45] <_ebola_> as linux sees it, not just a vendor page
[07:47] <abhishek> _ebola_, thanks for the suggestion! I have added it now, http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek
[07:48] <_ebola_> abhishek: great, this is the line: 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[07:49] <_ebola_> abhishek: now what you wanna do is grep "dmesg" for all info related to this controller and how linux handled detecting it
[07:49] <_ebola_> abhishek: study / grep dmesg and postall the lines from dmesg as to what linux did when it discovered this controller
[07:53] <abhishek> _ebola_, thanks! My dmesg output has a lot errors related to my second error of PCI bus on boot up. What should I grep it with?
[07:54] <_ebola_> abhishek: just do "dmesg | less" and try to read it first
[07:56] <abhishek> abhishek@hp:~$ dmesg | wc   2068   19495  182809 :p
[08:17] <abhishek> _ebola_, too many lines to decipher
[08:20] <_ebola_> abhishek: it's ok, search for things like "ethernet" "realtek" "RTL8723BE"
[08:21] <_ebola_> abhishek: just look for the lines above and below those that relate to your issues
[08:23] <abhishek> _ebola_, added http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek
[08:25] <_ebola_> abhishek: great, now that you documented your problem, try to boot into different (and older) live distros and see if your issues are the same or they are not present
[08:25] <_ebola_> abhishek: you want to determine whether this is a hardware problem or a driver regression problem
[08:26] <abhishek> _ebola_, I booted into windows the issue wasn't there. It should not be hardware issue thus.
[08:27] <_ebola_> abhishek: right, but you want to check if older or different linux distros can also work without problems
[08:27] <_ebola_> abhishek: sometimes hardware issues are tricky
[08:28] <_ebola_> abhishek: your job is to pin down the source of the problem, you are in the best position to do it, because your issue is vague you need to try different things
[09:14] <habits> Hi guys, is there a way of stopping the notification of the flash plugin available for mozilla? I don't want it installed and I don't want to get that message everytime I boot the machine.
[09:14] <Smurphy> good question. Same for me.
[10:45] <Smurphy> BTW - how does one install plasma 5.6 on the latest kubuntu ?
[10:47] <Smurphy> Anyone has instructions ?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:24] <markc> Smurphy: good question, I hope someone answers
[11:25] <acheron88> Smurthy: wait for it to be backported to the ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[11:25] <markc> Smurphy: it's been availble on Archlinux for about a month
[11:26] <acheron88> it'll be there in the not too distant future I think
[11:26] <BluesKaj> I got here too layte to see your question Smurphy, would you repost it please
[11:28]  * BluesKaj shrugs, guess not
[11:29] <acheron88> BluesKaj: it was variant on where is plasma 5.6 for kubuntu? when will we get it? why is it being slow getting it? etc etc....
[11:30] <acheron88> but packagers are short staffed, so it's be there when ready is all you can really say.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> there's a ppa available for it ..I treid 5.6 .3 , it broke my activities and really messde up my OS, not trying it agin soon. Your experience may be different, however
[11:33] <BluesKaj> scuse my typos
[11:39] <Smurphy> lol :) I'll wait :)
[11:43] <acheron88> BluesKaj: yes, that staging ppa is expected to break things fairly often, so not advisable
[11:44] <acheron88> Smurthy: hopefully it won't be long, but better an extra wait than broken packages/desktops
[11:45] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  there aren't many plasma 5.6.3 packages available yet anyway, check out the list https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Smurphy: ^
[11:50] <acheron88> There are a full desktop full https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.series_filter=xenial&field.status_filter=published&batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[11:52] <acheron88> but will hopefully be in a better working state when 5.6.4 is built for xenial
[11:53] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  obviously not full enough to work properly :-)
[11:54] <acheron88> It's a full list of plasma packages. How they work is another matter.....
[11:55] <acheron88> might be better now though update frameworks has been added, which was one prob with activities before
[11:56] <acheron88> I need to test that in a xenial VM sometime
[11:57] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  perhaps,  I was asked to test the state the packages were in a week ago , too soon ...they should have waited
[11:59] <acheron88> yep, that sounds before the FW 5.20 packages got added
[13:03] <challado> mi go$h
[13:06] <Smurphy> Ok - on my freshly installed mac-mini 2,1 - wifi works only after I restart the network manager -> sudo  service network-manager restart
[13:06] <Smurphy> Before that - no connection. why is that ???
[16:57] <johan> Hello.
[16:58] <BluesKaj_> hi johan
[18:06] <goddard> Does anyone know how to disable the notification about installing flash at boot up?
[18:23] <lethu> goddard: have you tried installing it?
[18:25] <goddard> lethu: i don't want flash
[18:25] <goddard> why would i?
[18:25] <goddard> It isn't even required for most the internet any more
[18:26] <lethu> goddard: then go to System Settings
[18:26] <lethu> then Notifications
[18:26] <lethu> then Other Notifications
[18:27] <lethu> and uncheck Restricted codec availability
[18:27] <lethu> I think it should do it
[18:27] <goddard> lethu: sweeet thanks
[18:28] <lethu> goddard: np :)
[18:38] <tahaan> I have a problem.  I have selected "Lock Screen
[18:38] <tahaan> I have a problem.  I have selected "Lock Screen " on the "When Laptop lid is closed" setting.
[18:39] <tahaan> When I do this, it causes problems with KDE.  The lock screen appears for a second, then the second screen "reverts" to showing the content on that part of the desktop.
[18:40] <tahaan> When I then unlock, several things are not working - The task bar is partially borked, and the window decorators are gone, and some window management functions are affected.
[18:40] <tahaan> If I lock the screen other than by closign the lid, I don't have any such problems.  But the problem is consistently repeatable.
[18:42] <tahaan> Also the problem is only present when the second screen is plugged in.
[18:46] <tahaan> Unplugging and re-plugging the screen causes other problems though.  The second screen forgets its configured resolution.  And the K-menu becomes weird.  (It starts to consistently require 3 clicks to show).  This weirdness goes away if I log out and back in.
[18:48] <Detroit> Hi all
[18:49] <soee_> hiho
[18:52] <DetroitBadBoy> Hi all.... again
[18:56] <goddard> anyone added project Neon software sources to stock 16.04?
[19:14] <Oderus> hi. the most recent update i did broke my wifi so i need to update to fix it. all my initramfs were updated so all my kernals are effected. how can i update from livecd?
[19:15] <mtn> Oderus: wouldn't it  be easier to use a lan connection?
[19:16] <mtn> Oderus: and what does breaking your wifi have to do with your kernels?
[19:17] <DetroitBadBoy> When you used the install CD did you mark the box that allows updates to come in while installing?
[19:19] <Oderus> mtn: i mean i cannot use an alternative kernal to boot up with and gain wifi. I suppose i could wire it but i would have to move my PC 3 floors, was hoping i could chroot and update or something to that effect :(
[19:20] <mtn> Oderus: what does the kernel have to do with your wifi? how do you know this?
[19:21] <Oderus> mtn: it was mentioned on the kubuntu forums that others had this issue and they fixed it by using an alternative kernal and update/upgrading. this doesnt work for me because all kernals seemed to be affected as I tried them all.
[19:21] <DetroitBadBoy> what distro are you using?
[19:21] <Oderus> xenial
[19:21] <mtn> Oderus: what is the wifi card/chip?
[19:22] <Oderus> pci-e card
[19:22] <mtn> Oderus: sure, which one? which chip? most of them have nothing to do with the kernel  as far as drivers go
[19:23] <mtn> Oderus: in a terminal: lspci -nn    paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
[19:23] <Oderus> unfortunately im in windows currently since my wifi does not function in linux
[19:24] <mtn> Oderus: well, we need some details to try to help you.
[19:24] <Oderus> okay. i will go do as you ask but will need to leave and return to do so. thank you.
[19:25] <mtn> Oderus: we only need the line for the wifi card
[19:25] <mtn> oh well
[19:25] <DetroitBadBoy> hmmmm
[19:31] <lynxlynxlynx> hey, any eta on when plasma 5.6 hits the repos?
[19:33] <DetroitBadBoy> lynxlynxlynx: 22 march this year
[19:33] <lynxlynxlynx> you mean may?
[19:34] <DetroitBadBoy> no March. It has already been released
[19:35] <DetroitBadBoy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/kde-plasma-5-6-released
[19:35] <DetroitBadBoy> That's the link all about the release of it
[19:36] <lynxlynxlynx> that's the upstream release
[19:36] <lynxlynxlynx> i can see it in the unstable repo for yaketty, but that's it
[19:36] <DetroitBadBoy> Yes, still in the shaekdown cruise stage to work out bugs
[19:39] <oderus> mtn: got disconnected, not sure if you saw my last post.
[19:40] <mtn> oderus: I was waiting on the lspci line for the wifi. did you get it?
[19:41] <oderus> yes i did, located here http://paste.ubuntu.com/16418884/
[19:42] <oderus> Basically the issue is that an update broke my wifi but if i update, it will repair itself. so i need to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade but for my hard drive installation, from live cd. Wifi on livecd works just fine
[19:43] <mtn> oderus: you would have to chroot in from the live disk and then run your commands
[19:43] <tahaan> I want to strangle whoever decided the volume sliders must be horizontal.
[19:43] <oderus> mtn: how do i do this? i know my installation is on sda6...
[19:44] <DetroitBadBoy> tahaan: lol
[19:44] <mtn> oderus: here is basic chroot info, but you use your commands, not fixing grub: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:44] <oderus> mtn: great, thank you for your time
[19:44] <tahaan> WTF was wrong with having them vertical?
[19:45]  * tahaan slaps head
[19:49] <oderus> mtn: OK i have chrooted and everything, but when i try to get the update it tells me my connection is refused.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16419174/
[19:50] <mtn> oderus: no internet connection
[19:51] <oderus> mtn: strange, it's this PC i am using..
[19:51] <DetroitBadBoy> oderus: when you get into your linux distro desktop, do you see a network connection icon anywhere on the screen?
[19:53] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: when i boot, it shows a different icon than usual in place of the network icon. When i click this, it brings up a small notification windows that says this: " Error loading QML file: file:///use/share/plasma/plasmids/org.KDE.plasma.networkmanagement/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.KDE.plasma.networkmanagement": Cannot load library /use/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/KDE/plasma/
[19:53] <oderus> networkmanagement/libplasmanm_qmlplugins.so: (/use/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libplasmanm_editor.so: undefined symbol: _ZN14NetworkManager11WimaxDevice16staticMetaObject E)"
[19:53] <oderus> sorry i will pastebin next time, didnt think it was that long
[19:54] <DetroitBadBoy> No worries
[19:55] <DetroitBadBoy> It looks like an update issue to me. I suggest connecting to a wired source then try to update
[19:55] <DetroitBadBoy> That would be the first logical step
[19:56] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: Ok, i will do that, im sure it will work, just was trying to avoid moving my pc 3 floors down heh :/
[19:56] <mtn> oh, right: logic!
[19:57] <DetroitBadBoy> I understand completely. If you need help after that, someone will mroe than likely be here to lend assistance
[19:57] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: thank you :)
[19:57] <DetroitBadBoy> oderus: yw :)
[20:00] <DetroitBadBoy> (doing my best Mr. Spock) Live long and perspire.....
[20:22] <marco-parillo> 262822Can you invoke kde-spectacle from krunner (alt-f2)?
[21:31] <denza242> Is it possible to boot from a USB device from within GRUB?
[21:40] <goddard> denza242: ive never heard of that
[21:41] <goddard> im getting a kmail bug
[21:41] <goddard> when i close kmail and try to open it again .. the window isn't displayed
[21:41] <goddard> i have to kill the kmail process that runs in the background and then start it and then it displays the window
[21:50] <lethu> goddard: try starting kmail from a terminal then read the feedback to troubleshoot
[21:50] <goddard> lethu: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363085
[21:51] <lethu> I see
[21:52] <goddard> lethu: it happens ever time
[21:52] <goddard> maybe kubuntu speciic i dont know, but i am sure the kmail maintainers/developers know better then i would
[21:52] <lethu> goddard: yeah
[21:59] <roadfish> I push a flashdrive on my TPLink modem and would like to access it from Kubuntu. I'm not clear on how to get this working.
[22:00] <goddard> roadfish: you would probably have to use the protcol provided by the modem
[22:00] <roadfish> I went into Network on Dolphin and it has stuff like MTP Device, Network, Network Services, Samba Shares, etc
[22:01] <goddard> roadfish: i would bet samba share is what it uses
[22:01] <roadfish> ok, the modem's pdf says something like: smb://tplinklogin.net
[22:01] <goddard> yeah thats samba
[22:01] <roadfish> I'm new to this stuff so I'm kind of clueless on what to do
[22:01] <roadfish> ok, Dolphin says: Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall.
[22:01] <goddard> roadfish: sounds like you were spot on just didn't know what the smb:// means
[22:01] <goddard> add a new connection
[22:01] <goddard> it opens a wizard dialog
[22:01] <roadfish> So I guess I need to fiddle my firewall.
[22:02] <goddard> dont think so
[22:02] <roadfish> Ok, good. Just get this wizard dialog going.
[22:02] <goddard> usually it is disabled by deault unless you enabled it
[22:02] <goddard> you can check your firewall with "ufw status"
[22:02] <roadfish> Status: active
[22:03] <DetroitBadBoy> roadfish: when you click on that link you posted does it ask you to launch the application?
[22:03] <roadfish> I did activate it back when I set up my Kubuntu.
[22:03] <goddard> ahh
[22:03] <goddard> i think by default all outgoing connections are allowed
[22:03] <goddard> so no issue
[22:03] <roadfish> I'm a bit paranoid and firewall makes me feel warm.
[22:03] <roadfish> warm and safe
[22:03] <goddard> roadfish: no its a good idea
[22:03] <goddard> i do that as well
[22:04] <roadfish> so is the firewall messing up? I am not getting this wizard dialog when clicking on Samba in Dolphin.
[22:04] <goddard> roadfish: no probably not unless you disallowed apps connecting out
[22:05] <goddard> usually ufw allows connections out, but not connections in unless specifically written in the rules
[22:06] <roadfish> I have a vibe that I might have tightened up ufw a bit extra. But my memory is hazy. I did this back 1.5 years ago.
[22:06] <roadfish> I'm trying to remember how to dump the ufw rules. I think I was using the graphical version during setup.
[22:07] <roadfish> ok, maybe not. I was looking at rules in gufw. and it seems that I didn't any anything.
[22:08] <roadfish> I have outgoing: Allow and incoming: Deny. Which I assume is standard.
[22:10] <roadfish> goddard: you were talking about getting a "wizard dialog" going. Is this done with Dolphin or am I using the wrong app? How do I trigger this dialog in Dolphin?
[22:11] <roadfish> by the way, I'm still 14.04 Trusty. Not yet got that 16.04 going.
[22:13] <goddard> roadfish: yeah its in dolphin
[22:14] <goddard> just click the network piece
[22:17] <roadfish> ok, then what? I tried Samba Shares and I get that message about a firewall. I also tried "Add Network Folder". That gives me a popup wizard, I guess. Ther is nothing on Samba after that. I get Webfolder (webdav), FTP, Microsoft Windows network drive, Secure Shell. Do I use one of these?
[22:19] <roadfish> Ok, I tried this command line operation:
[22:19] <roadfish>    sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.1.1/ samba/ -o rw
[22:20] <goddard> roadfish: usually it works after adding a samba share item
[22:21] <goddard> roadfish: and that firewall message is a general message and a suggestion it doesn't actual get that information intelligently
[22:23] <roadfish> goddard: ok, I see a place to enter the smb address in the Samba share. I added my smb://tplinklogin.net
[22:23] <roadfish> now I'm seeing this error: Could not connect to host for smb://tplinklogin.net/
[22:23] <roadfish> something to search on
[22:26] <roadfish> goddard: got it!!!! one webpage gave some IP-addresses to try. and \\192.168.1.1 is it for me!!!
[22:26] <roadfish> goddard: thanks for the hand-holding.
[22:27] <roadfish> next mission is to try to mount it so I can access with "cp" and "mv" command-line operations.
[22:32] <goddard> roadfish: nice
[22:32] <goddard> roadfish: probably ssh
[22:32] <roadfish> good I like ssh