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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:39 |
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| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/zfs-for-linux-0-6-5-7-released-with-support-for-linux-kernel-4-6-and-4-5-504053.shtml | 04:49 |
| brushdemon | alright | 06:08 |
| brushdemon | and here we are | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | you can use the channel here for conversations | 06:09 |
| brushdemon | Thanks | 06:09 |
| brushdemon | I was thinking about getting one of the new ubuntu based tablets | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | M10? | 06:10 |
| brushdemon | errrr, well I got heaps of emails about it since I signed up for the pre-order for it | 06:10 |
| brushdemon | I got destroyed by bills when the pre-order window was open though ;~; | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | i would wait until unity8 comes out | 06:11 |
| brushdemon | oh, why's that? | 06:11 |
| brushdemon | wayland? | 06:11 |
| brushdemon | wait | 06:11 |
| brushdemon | I haven't kept in the loop for a while, is Ubuntu going with wayland or mir for unity8? | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | well then you would be able to install ubuntu-desktop + unity8 on windows based tablets also | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | brushdemon: unity8 will come, but canonical will leave the choice to users | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | if they prefer unity7 or 8 | 06:12 |
| brushdemon | It's so menial but simply giving users the choice to move the bar from the left hand side of the screen to the bottom would probably make unity a little more popular | 06:13 |
| brushdemon | that's in my opinion though | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | unity is already very popular | 06:13 |
| brushdemon | and it's the one complaint I have heard about unity time and time again | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | but also all the ubuntu flavors | 06:13 |
| brushdemon | yeah, ofc | 06:14 |
| baizon | brushdemon: http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/ubuntu-1604-xenial-xerus-gets-option-to.html | 06:14 |
| brushdemon | FUCK YES | 06:14 |
| brushdemon | My whole past year has been messed up and I've missed out on so much news | 06:15 |
| brushdemon | unity-dev team, I salute you | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | and also snap packages coming our way | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | ive installed telegram with snap yesterday | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | on 16.04 | 06:15 |
| brushdemon | oh, I remember hearing about discussion of them in 2014 | 06:15 |
| brushdemon | they're actually a thing now? | 06:16 |
| brushdemon | well | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 06:16 |
| brushdemon | you just said you used one :x | 06:16 |
| brushdemon | wow, I've lived under a rock for a year | 06:16 |
| brushdemon | like.... I don't even know how | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | snap find | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | in terminal | 06:16 |
| brushdemon | lemme upgrade first haha :p | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | then sudo snap install your-snap-package | 06:17 |
| brushdemon | so the user tool is pretty much like using apt? | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | snap packages also showing in ubuntu-software | 06:18 |
| brushdemon | very nice | 06:20 |
| brushdemon | so what packages are supported by the new format? | 06:20 |
| brushdemon | I'm going to guess all of ubuntu-core by now at least | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | the ones newly created | 06:21 |
| ducasse | morning all | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 06:21 |
| brushdemon | ah, so it'll be a slow process to move everything over to it? | 06:21 |
| brushdemon | heya ducasse | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | brushdemon: its not meant to move all things over, classic .debs will continue to exist | 06:21 |
| lotuspsychje | brushdemon: snap brings more possibilities | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | and no dependecie nightmares anymore | 06:22 |
| brushdemon | YES! | 06:22 |
| lotuspsychje | we had telegram-desktop for ubuntu-desktop aleady | 06:22 |
| brushdemon | is there a good article/blog/anything that highlights snap that you'd recommend? | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | but inside a package still | 06:23 |
| ducasse | i hope snap gets an option like apt show for more info on a snap, the descriptions are really brief. | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: snap find from terminal | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: sudo snap install your-snap | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | and shows snap in ubuntu-software also | 06:24 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: yes, but those descriptions are very short afaict | 06:24 |
| brushdemon | I think adding a longer description would be a trivial thing really | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | like manpages? | 06:24 |
| ducasse | oooohh, better manpages too, yes! | 06:24 |
| lotuspsychje | well i also think snap packages are good to run from tablets that will run unity8 etc | 06:25 |
| brushdemon | haha, upgrading a vm atm to 16.04 and it's funny once it gets to dovecot and postfix | 06:25 |
| lotuspsychje | so now a user could install the nmap snap package on his tablet | 06:25 |
| brushdemon | the number of times it flashes, "Would you like to merge your config files" | 06:25 |
| brushdemon | NOPE | 06:25 |
| brushdemon | I'm good thankyou apt | 06:25 |
| ducasse | absolutely, snap looks wonderful for tablets etc. | 06:26 |
| brushdemon | ^ this | 06:26 |
| lotuspsychje | but also on desktop, for specific stuff | 06:27 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: sure, but i still love you, apt;) | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 06:27 |
| lotuspsychje | im just wondering who checks the new incomming snaps for security? | 06:28 |
| lotuspsychje | can a malicious user suggest a dark snap easy or not? | 06:28 |
| ducasse | hmm. i hope they are vetted. | 06:29 |
| lotuspsychje | telegram/about looks neat | 06:30 |
| brushdemon | ahh, now I see what snaps are | 06:31 |
| lotuspsychje | GNU GPL 3 | 06:31 |
| lotuspsychje | brushdemon: its a bit like a ubuntu-touch app sort of | 06:32 |
| brushdemon | yuh, it's nicely self-contained | 06:32 |
| brushdemon | It makes me think of chroots | 06:32 |
| ducasse | what is the 'x11-apps' snap? | 06:34 |
| lotuspsychje | not sure | 06:34 |
| lotuspsychje | didnt test | 06:34 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl breakfast here | 06:35 |
| lotuspsychje | have a nice one | 06:35 |
| brushdemon | well | 06:44 |
| brushdemon | that's one vm upgraded | 06:44 |
| brushdemon | oh wow, great work with the apt documentation | 06:45 |
| brushdemon | this is actually awesome! | 06:45 |
| ducasse | i upgraded a vm all the way from 14.10 to 16.04 the other day, took less than an hour and went perfectly :) | 06:47 |
| brushdemon | hehe, I did that a while back | 06:55 |
| brushdemon | well from 13.10 up to 15.04 | 06:55 |
| brushdemon | no issues either | 06:55 |
| brushdemon | well... actually there is always an issue with mysql but you just read the notes on it | 06:56 |
| brushdemon | it's not super hard to work out | 06:56 |
| de-facto | haha they released ZFS for linux on Friday, 13th of May? seriously? | 07:28 |
| ducasse | if you're talking about ZoL 0.6.5.7, it was released May 12th. | 07:43 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:12 |
| pauljw | Hi everyone | 11:51 |
| BluesKaj | Hi pauljw, how goes it today ? | 11:54 |
| pauljw | hey BluesKaj, so far so good, still getting the sleep out of my eyes. :) how about you? | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | same, allergies I had as a child have sprung up again ...watery itchy eyes etc....drops help tho | 11:59 |
| pauljw | oh, allergies are a bear, good that drops help out. i take claritan(sp?) and that helps me some. seems this part of the country everyone has allergies. always damp, everything grows. :) | 12:02 |
| DJones | Afternoon all | 12:06 |
| pauljw | hi DJones | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | hey DJones | 12:12 |
| DJones | Hi pauljw BluesKaj | 12:18 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 13:21 |
| pauljw | hey lotuspsychje | 13:23 |
| lotuspsychje | hey pauljw | 13:23 |
| DArqueBishop | Howdy lotuspsychje. | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | hi there DArqueBishop | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: those 16.04 help wiki's are pretty nice made | 13:46 |
| OerHeks | just found them | 13:47 |
| OerHeks | i cannot test BT issues, as i am on 15.10 | 13:47 |
| lotuspsychje | and i dont have BT | 13:47 |
| OerHeks | i do, apple magic trackpad and a bt keyboard somewhere .. | 13:48 |
| === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy | ||
| EriC^^ | sup | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: you see triple 9 yet mate? | 14:26 |
| EriC^^ | nope | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | gotta see! | 14:26 |
| EriC^^ | first time i hear about it | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | best movie so far | 14:26 |
| EriC^^ | nice | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | bit like HEAT | 14:27 |
| EriC^^ | watching trailer now | 14:27 |
| EriC^^ | kate winslet hmm | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1712261/ | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | 120min big suspense :p | 14:29 |
| pauljw | hey EriC^^ | 14:30 |
| EriC^^ | hi pauljw :) | 14:31 |
| EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: black guy is the bad guy right | 14:31 |
| lotuspsychje | i cant tell you nothing :p | 14:31 |
| EriC^^ | hehe | 14:31 |
| lotuspsychje | i can only say its a movie where its hard to say who's good and not | 14:32 |
| lotuspsychje | wb | 14:40 |
| EriC^^ | thanks | 14:40 |
| EriC^^ | damn torrents are quick | 14:41 |
| EriC^^ | almost 1mb d/l | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: shhh :p | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: your going to the theaters to watch this evening? | 14:41 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 14:41 |
| EriC^^ | no | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:41 |
| EriC^^ | i'm d/ling it right now | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.cio.com/article/3070434/linux/linux-cant-keep-you-safe-if-you-dont-update-it.html | 14:42 |
| OerHeks | ohhh never new that! | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | sudo apt-get drop updates | 14:44 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: the ammount keeps rising...http://fossforce.com/2016/05/italian-military-goes-libreoffice-hbo-abuses-dmca/ | 14:47 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: did they buy you that building perhaps? | 14:47 |
| EriC^^ | damn ps4 games are HUGE | 14:48 |
| * lotuspsychje sends popcorn & soda to EriC^^ with ubuntuDr0ne | 14:49 | |
| EriC^^ | fallout4 18gb | 14:49 |
| lotuspsychje | oO | 14:49 |
| EriC^^ | imagine how much work is put into that game O.o | 14:49 |
| lotuspsychje | its crazy, if you think of the detailed graphics and levels | 14:49 |
| EriC^^ | yeah | 14:49 |
| lotuspsychje | game devs are earning more then you and me togheter | 14:50 |
| EriC^^ | yeah games are like $60-$80 | 14:50 |
| OerHeks | oh i seeded 15x that size by now | 14:50 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 14:50 |
| lotuspsychje | bluray's even more crazy | 14:51 |
| lotuspsychje | 80-100gig per dvd | 14:51 |
| EriC^^ | wow | 14:51 |
| lotuspsychje | imagine the time you need to rip one with handbrake lol | 14:52 |
| EriC^^ | we should make those shirts | 14:57 |
| EriC^^ | fuck the computer store | 14:57 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 14:57 |
| EriC^^ | we'll be richhhhhhh | 14:57 |
| EriC^^ | :p | 14:57 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:57 |
| OerHeks | noo, leave the stores alone.. all i can do now is ordering online, i hate that | 14:57 |
| OerHeks | i want to feel the package before buying | 14:58 |
| EriC^^ | that's what she said | 14:58 |
| OerHeks | if the package feels solid, it gains my trust | 14:58 |
| EriC^^ | xD | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BP42vjKZL._UX385_.jpg | 14:58 |
| OerHeks | and if the salesperson smells nice, i will come back | 14:58 |
| baizon | nice t-shirt :D | 14:58 |
| baizon | i got one old lenovo with windows that im trying to sell :D | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.icu-it.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LinuxTshirt3.jpg | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 14:59 |
| lotuspsychje | one to go out @ night | 15:00 |
| OerHeks | baizon, "almost free door-stopper: .. " | 15:00 |
| baizon | damn this shirt is even better | 15:00 |
| EriC^^ | gasp? | 15:01 |
| EriC^^ | wth | 15:01 |
| EriC^^ | !find gasp | 15:01 |
| ubot5 | Found: python-gasp, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W: (and 12 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gasp&searchon=names&suite=xenial§ion=all | 15:01 |
| baizon | hmm, no gasp command for me | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | http://i.imgur.com/5RAM3Rm.png | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:02 |
| baizon | ok... gasp - a preprocessor for assembly programs | 15:02 |
| lotuspsychje | hi BluesKaj | 15:04 |
| EriC^^ | they should have used fsck in it | 15:04 |
| EriC^^ | must have thought it was too inappropriate or something | 15:04 |
| EriC^^ | stay calm and root boxes | 15:05 |
| EriC^^ | we should get into the shirt business lotuspsychje | 15:05 |
| OerHeks | http://imgur.com/gallery/g2wOPn9 | 15:06 |
| lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: you are the 53's user, you have won this tshirt today: http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1VUEKIpXXXXccXXXXq6xXFXXXJ/2015-Summer-Style-100-Cotton-T-font-b-Shirt-b-font-Man-OZF-UBUNTU-font-b.jpg | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | hey lotuspsychje, EriC^^, OerHeks | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: lol | 15:07 |
| EriC^^ | hey lotuspsychje | 15:07 |
| EriC^^ | i mean | 15:07 |
| EriC^^ | hey BluesKaj | 15:07 |
| EriC^^ | :p | 15:07 |
| baizon | no need to piss on windows, it sucks anyway, no need to bother :D | 15:07 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:07 |
| baizon | windows will die anyway | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | of course not, we have ubuwin now! | 15:08 |
| OerHeks | hi BluesKaj | 15:08 |
| baizon | with such M$ CEOs :) | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | baizon: and they stopped free updates on w10 now...sweet! | 15:08 |
| lotuspsychje | its the year of the paying and privacy corrupting desktop :p | 15:09 |
| OerHeks | everybody gets a free copy of win10, but not this ol' witch .. should i start a lawsuit? | 15:10 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: you need to buy a prvious one first :p | 15:10 |
| pauljw | hi BluesKaj | 15:11 |
| baizon | 3 friends of mine had an automatic 7 -> 10 upgrade | 15:12 |
| baizon | all failed and their system is now broken | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | wow | 15:12 |
| EriC^^ | ok movie time | 15:12 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: enjoy mate :p | 15:12 |
| baizon | they got a nice "do you want to upgrade to 10?", they all clicked "no, thank you" | 15:12 |
| baizon | and all got 10 after reboot :D | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:13 |
| lotuspsychje | only good news for ubuntu such scenario's | 15:13 |
| baizon | i personally dont care, havent used windows for a year now. I dont even know how windows 8 and 10 works | 15:14 |
| BluesKaj | lotuspsychje: too bad about the shirt, ...not exactly slim anymore :-) | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | we have seen some users really mentioning this in main, they tired of their techniques | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | baizon: xp and 7 were ok...all the rest is a big nightmare | 15:14 |
| baizon | the best short clip i saw last time with windows 10... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP31lluUDWU | 15:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 15:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | blue screen of death updates | 15:17 |
| baizon | heheh | 15:18 |
| de-facto | lotuspsychje apropos telegram, Signal from OpenWhisperSystems has a chrome app which syncs almost in realtime with the android app: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/signal-private-messenger/bikioccmkafdpakkkcpdbppfkghcmihk | 15:20 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 15:20 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: looks coll, does that work on chromium aswell | 15:21 |
| lotuspsychje | tinoco: welcome | 15:21 |
| de-facto | lotuspsychje yes im using it on chromium-browser from xenial repo | 15:22 |
| lotuspsychje | great | 15:22 |
| de-facto | just does not work if you default to incognito mode (cost me some time figuring that one out) | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ive tested that telegram snap package yesterday from xenial==>bq ubuntu phone | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | working like a charm here | 15:23 |
| de-facto | nice, how do they provide that snap? is it a closed binary? | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: snap find from terminal | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: its based on snappy core right | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: works sort of like ubuntu-touch apps | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: and they show in ubuntu-software aswell | 15:25 |
| lotuspsychje | sudo snap install your-snap-package | 15:25 |
| de-facto | actually that snappy apps will open a lot of possibilities for commercial apps to land on ubuntu, which is pretty nice on one side, but open source ones are even nicer :) | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 15:26 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: and also for tablets on unity8 etc | 15:26 |
| de-facto | yup this could be big :P | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | the only thing im wondering is , who test this for security | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | can a malicious app creator add snaps easy or not? | 15:28 |
| de-facto | thats a very good question | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | we dont wanna endup like android store apps | 15:28 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm perhaps ubuntu isolating it already somehow | 15:30 |
| lotuspsychje | after your first install there is a /snap | 15:30 |
| de-facto | dont those run in some kind of lxc/lxd env? | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/05/04/security-confinement-in-ubuntu-core/ | 15:33 |
| de-facto | if so i guess the black market prices for such 0days just raised :P | 15:33 |
| de-facto | ooh well and the "good" old X11 :-/ | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | we will also follow all this evolution and see hwo it goes | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | so even if mark lets us choose between unity7 and unity8, snap packages can be installed on both worlds | 15:36 |
| de-facto | didnt the fedora guys had some efforts on X11 isolation with selinux? there also is quobes OS which seems to emplay XEN for isolating X apps | 15:37 |
| lotuspsychje | could be, i didnt came across an article on that yet | 15:37 |
| de-facto | Joanna Rutkowska explained some of it on her site http://invisiblethingslab.com/itl/Resources.html | 15:39 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme read | 15:39 |
| de-facto | she and her team are behind quobes os | 15:39 |
| OerHeks | great person indeed, she explained the intel flaws to me. | 15:40 |
| lotuspsychje | think snappy team did a great job | 15:40 |
| lotuspsychje | all the devices it can be installed on or developed | 15:41 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl guys souper + movies | 15:43 |
| lotuspsychje | have a nice saturday | 15:43 |
| OerHeks | :-) | 15:43 |
| OerHeks | i am waiting for my mom, she brings the dogs overhere, as she has difficulties walking now. | 15:44 |
| de-facto | if you google her name and x11 security things like this show up http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.de/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html | 15:44 |
| OerHeks | No, thank you, i already have a Rolls Royce | 18:17 |
| OerHeks | oops, wrong car | 18:17 |
| OerHeks | heh, if an 64 bit iso can do a 32 bit install, after boot you could end up with 128 bits | 21:39 |
| Bashing-om | and you still get to keep the parts ? | 21:54 |
| OerHeks | Sure, only the floppy says -1 | 21:55 |
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