| Wolfeyes | morning everyone | 05:38 |
|---|---|---|
| gremble | Good morning | 07:08 |
| bushtech | morning gremble | 07:17 |
| gremble | How are you bushtech? | 07:17 |
| bushtech | great! getting a bit of rain. you? | 07:18 |
| gremble | I feel the same. Trying to figure out some work before I go table-top gaming | 07:20 |
| bushtech | table-top gaming? electronic? | 07:21 |
| gremble | Old-fashioned boardgames. Catan, etc. I want to try to think of the other games that we play, but literally all of the names have escaped me. | 07:24 |
| gremble | Munchkin is also one. | 07:24 |
| bushtech | Ah ok | 07:25 |
| gremble | I was so bleak when I discovered last night while trying to pirate my algebra textbook that it is actually so old that it is in the public domain | 07:27 |
| gremble | and I bought it with money >.> | 07:27 |
| bushtech | bummer | 07:33 |
| gremble | Good morning kulelu88 | 07:39 |
| kulelu88 | morning gremble | 07:45 |
| kulelu88 | howzit? | 07:45 |
| gremble | Did you figure out your version control? | 07:45 |
| gremble | Still that todo list app? | 07:45 |
| kulelu88 | yeah, I am following a philosophy of minor complete changes per commit. So I target a small update, get it working, then commit | 07:46 |
| kulelu88 | yep, thanks to chesedo it is a functional prototype | 07:46 |
| gremble | That's pretty cool :P | 07:47 |
| kulelu88 | gotta brush up on my jquery though :P you working on anything interesting? | 07:49 |
| gremble | Homomorphic subrings | 07:50 |
| gremble | Haha | 07:50 |
| gremble | Probably not that interesting | 07:50 |
| kulelu88 | is it mathematical? | 07:50 |
| kulelu88 | and code? | 07:51 |
| gremble | Yes. Abstract algebra. No code though | 07:51 |
| gremble | Exam prep. I am not coding shit :P | 07:51 |
| gremble | I did get a job to write an N6 mathematics textbook. So that is quite interesting | 07:51 |
| kulelu88 | sounds like you've entered the plain of abstract theory :D *shudder* | 07:51 |
| gremble | Luckily I have another foot in reality with the applied math side of my course :P | 07:52 |
| kulelu88 | I think someone else said they're doing CS/math/CE here, at UCT | 07:53 |
| gremble | Probably paddatrapper | 07:53 |
| bushtech | sounds like you're getting dangerously close to that area where the riemann hypothesis lurks | 07:56 |
| kulelu88 | bushtech: were you lurking? :P | 07:57 |
| bushtech | nooooo | 07:57 |
| bushtech | danger danger | 07:57 |
| bushtech | mathematicians have gone mad and comitted suicide trying to prove that one | 07:58 |
| gremble | I have accepted that the Rienmann hypothesis will stay above my pay-grade | 07:59 |
| gremble | :P | 07:59 |
| kulelu88 | how do I view the email address I used for commits of other projects in git? I cannot recall which email to use | 08:01 |
| bushtech | very good decision | 08:01 |
| kulelu88 | in config | 08:02 |
| kulelu88 | bushtech: waar in die veld bly jy? | 08:02 |
| bushtech | Vaalkopdam between Brits an Thaba | 08:03 |
| kulelu88 | )_o | 08:04 |
| kulelu88 | 0_o | 08:04 |
| kulelu88 | made my first commit *joy* | 08:06 |
| bushtech | congrats | 08:06 |
| kulelu88 | does anybody write unit tests here? I want to learn how to write automated tests for my code :D | 08:09 |
| gremble | https://qunitjs.com/ I have literally no idea, but this looks useful | 08:11 |
| kulelu88 | ooh it's part of jquery suite as well. nice 1 gremble | 08:13 |
| gremble | It looks like it used to be. | 08:16 |
| kulelu88 | noob question, but do you guys know 'exactly' what is happening here: https://pastee.org/vbz89 ? specifically, what is: function(e) doing? | 08:25 |
| kulelu88 | okay I see it now :D | 08:26 |
| gremble | Good because JS just looks like a hodge-podge mess to me | 08:27 |
| kulelu88 | it is complicated I agree. plus the magic breaks more than it works | 08:28 |
| gremble | http://lpaste.net/163300 I write boring stuff like this still :< | 08:35 |
| bushtech | gremble: would zero be more easily recognisable than naught | 08:40 |
| bushtech | just a thought | 08:40 |
| gremble | It doesn't particularly matter. That code has no use other than to demonstrate the use of map and the pattern recognition for the function digitToWord. | 08:43 |
| kulelu88 | when I start seeing things like "::" and "->", I give up | 08:43 |
| gremble | "::" reads "has type of" and "->" is "to" | 08:44 |
| bushtech | ah ok your call | 08:44 |
| kulelu88 | programming shouldn't have keywords that require you to 'remember' :D that's like memorizing proofs lol | 08:45 |
| gremble | bushtech, same with the "What?" at the bottom. Technically it is impossible to ever reach it, but the program doesn't pass the type checker if you don't have the _ bit. | 08:45 |
| gremble | it is like void and int from C/C++ | 08:45 |
| gremble | Learning haskell has actually helped with my proof writing. | 08:46 |
| bushtech | yeah lol can drive you mad if you don't know something like put in the _ | 08:46 |
| kulelu88 | gremble: which one makes more sense to you: https://pastee.org/mpyen | 08:52 |
| kulelu88 | syntax shouldn't be a blocking factor to writing code in 2016. try reading smalltalk or perl or lisp and I wonder what inspired those people to write that stuff | 08:53 |
| magespawn | good afternoon | 08:55 |
| magespawn | morning | 08:55 |
| gremble | Hey magespawn | 08:56 |
| magespawn | hi gremble | 08:56 |
| gremble | kulelu88, both are equivalent to me | 08:56 |
| kulelu88 | I don't like format 1 | 08:57 |
| gremble | I don't know smalltalk or perl, but lisp syntax is fine | 08:57 |
| gremble | I like lisp | 08:57 |
| kulelu88 | are both formats equally readable to you? gremble | 09:00 |
| gremble | yup | 09:01 |
| kulelu88 | interesting | 09:01 |
| gremble | project1 should be todotxttouch though | 09:01 |
| chesedo | morning all | 09:03 |
| chesedo | kulelu88: wanted to point you to txttodo.com but sees you have found it already | 09:04 |
| kulelu88 | gremble: the + indicates the project name | 09:04 |
| kulelu88 | chesedo: I am building a clone of it with a different format | 09:04 |
| gremble | kulelu88, Yes, but they both look like the same project since they contain the same data, except for that bit :P | 09:05 |
| chesedo | oh, `function(e)` are inline functions... and are probable passed the event that triggered them (hence the `e` to hold it) | 09:05 |
| gremble | Good morning chesedo | 09:05 |
| kulelu88 | chesedo: I see that the actual 'work' happens below under /subscribes | 09:05 |
| chesedo | sorry should be http://todotxt.com/ | 09:06 |
| chesedo | kulelu88: i have no idea... that `publish` code/plugin is new to me, although it does seem so | 09:08 |
| kulelu88 | what do you think about these 2 formats chesedo : https://pastee.org/mpyen | 09:09 |
| gremble | On the topic of syntax; The syntax of a programming language serves a dual purpose. It is a constrained language and structure to enable automatic interpretation by a computer. So it must avoid any ambiguity. The second part is to let the writer reason about what it is saying in a very formal and rigorous way. Adding more structure makes it more complicated to write, with errors popping up if you are not careful, but it allows you to reason | 09:11 |
| gremble | better about correct code. Making code more terse allows it to be written quicker, but it takes away some of the explicit reasoning. | 09:11 |
| chesedo | kulelu88: 2nd... i would also stick with the format outlined in todotxt so that it is easier for users to switch to yours if they want | 09:11 |
| kulelu88 | but why use "::" when I could just say "typeof" instead? same effect right? just a bit more readable | 09:13 |
| chesedo | ... like i already use a pomodoro on my phone that uses that format, then i can also edit my tasks on the pc with apps that use it too | 09:13 |
| chesedo | length(typeof) > length(::) | 09:14 |
| gremble | Because laziness. The more you use a certain thing, the shorter you make it. | 09:14 |
| chesedo | ... fewer key strokes | 09:14 |
| gremble | That is why we have symbols for things like (there exists) or (addition) | 09:15 |
| kulelu88 | but that destroys readability unless you are vested into the code/language | 09:20 |
| kulelu88 | I think even Go has it, something like: :: | 09:20 |
| kulelu88 | but "+" is universal. "->" means different things in different languages. | 09:21 |
| kulelu88 | chesedo: do you use any sync tool for your tasks? dropbox maybe? | 09:21 |
| chesedo | kulelu88: that app (Clockworks Tomato) does support Dropbox, but have not made use of it yet | 09:22 |
| kulelu88 | chesedo: I actually want to change the format for my own personal use. I don't like the way dates are used in their current format | 09:23 |
| chesedo | hmm, ok kulelu88 | 09:28 |
| * chesedo goes off for the weekend | 09:28 | |
| gremble | kulelu88, That holds true for every language. Whether it is a programming language or a natural language. I cannot read JS to save my life. | 09:45 |
| Kilos | morning gremble kulelu88 and all others | 09:46 |
| kulelu88 | 0/ | 09:46 |
| gremble | Hey Kilos. Did you play in the rain? :P | 09:47 |
| bushtech | morning Kilos | 09:48 |
| Kilos | yip bit wet now | 09:48 |
| Kilos | hi bushtech | 09:48 |
| Kilos | 1 1/2 mm so far | 09:49 |
| Kilos | but bit cold on head | 09:49 |
| Kilos | iif wind starts blowing temps gonna dive | 09:49 |
| bushtech | 2.8mm here | 09:49 |
| gremble | It is not that cold here at the moment. If the wind starts blowing I might move my trees inside though. | 09:50 |
| gremble | I have few tropicals that won't do well if it gets too cold | 09:50 |
| Kilos | me too | 09:50 |
| Kilos | curry leaf and avocado | 09:50 |
| Kilos | normally they can maintain when temp above 5°c | 09:51 |
| gremble | Our Avo didn't even worry when it snowed, but I have three tropical fig trees that might balk since they are quite small | 09:51 |
| Kilos | i didngt know you get tropical figs | 09:52 |
| Kilos | there have been fig trees here for years but 3 years ago blackfrost almost wiped them out | 09:53 |
| bushtech | if the curry tree gets big enough, say 1.5m, it can get planted outside | 09:54 |
| gremble | Ficus Natalensis. I have two that I brought up from Durban in the beginning of the year. I don't think they have acclimatised yet. | 09:54 |
| Kilos | yeah but cant take cold wind | 09:55 |
| gremble | I also have a small Ficus abutilifolia, but that should be alright. | 09:55 |
| Kilos | mine is 5 years old and stays inna pot | 09:55 |
| gremble | Making it a bonsai? :P | 09:56 |
| Kilos | west and south winds after snow in lesotho are the killers | 09:56 |
| Kilos | nono big | 09:56 |
| Kilos | avo about 6ft already and 7 yeas old | 09:56 |
| Kilos | took 3 years to start making bark | 09:57 |
| gremble | Alright. I am off. Talk to you guys later | 10:07 |
| inetpro | good evening | 10:08 |
| inetpro | nice to see the mathematicians chatting away again | 10:08 |
| inetpro | oh and hi oom Kilos as well | 10:08 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro | 10:08 |
| * inetpro should also plant a curry tree | 10:10 | |
| Kilos | yes | 10:11 |
| Kilos | leaves make even stews taste better | 10:11 |
| bushtech | works good in curries too :) | 10:16 |
| Wolfeyes | I want to get a bay leaf tree as well.. | 10:24 |
| Kilos | hi boy | 10:24 |
| Wolfeyes | hey dad | 10:25 |
| Kilos | didnt even see you login | 10:25 |
| Wolfeyes | because I been in all day | 10:26 |
| kulelu88 | by the time i'm done, i'll be a frontend ninja gremble :P | 11:12 |
| magespawn | now good afternoon | 12:33 |
| Sxuza | hey magespawn , afternoon to u 2 | 12:36 |
| Wolfeyes | hey magespawn Sxuza | 12:38 |
| Wolfeyes | Did you test that other reader with power and your finger magespawn? Anddid you find anything on the enrollment reader? | 12:39 |
| magespawn | hey whats up? | 12:39 |
| magespawn | nothing on that enrollment reader yet, the other reader seems fine as well, going to take one home and the windows computer at home to try them out | 12:40 |
| Wolfeyes | okay | 12:41 |
| magespawn | to see if that software still works with them or not | 12:43 |
| magespawn | brb just moving up to my office | 12:46 |
| magespawn | back | 13:12 |
| Wolfeyes | wb | 13:16 |
| Wolfeyes | lol | 13:16 |
| Wolfeyes | not for long | 13:16 |
| Wolfeyes | wb magespawn | 13:23 |
| Kilos | ai! | 13:28 |
| Wolfeyes | lol | 13:30 |
| === MaNL is now known as MaNI | ||
| magespawn | bbl home time chat later | 13:45 |
| Langjan | hi Kilos how you doing? | 15:47 |
| Langjan | and the guys, hi | 15:47 |
| Kilos | hi Langjan fine ty and you? | 15:47 |
| Langjan | also fine thks Kilos | 15:47 |
| Langjan | koud by julle? | 15:47 |
| Kilos | and nothing broken | 15:48 |
| Langjan | en reën? | 15:48 |
| Kilos | ja lelik koud | 15:48 |
| Kilos | 5mm | 15:48 |
| Langjan | no just a bit wet | 15:48 |
| Kilos | did that switch aarrive | 15:48 |
| Kilos | for the tannie | 15:48 |
| Langjan | you're lucky, we almost had 3 | 15:49 |
| Kilos | haha just enough to make it cold | 15:49 |
| Langjan | yes it arrived on Monday I think, is working fine | 15:49 |
| Kilos | yay | 15:49 |
| Kilos | wonder what happened to the other one | 15:50 |
| Langjan | sy sukkel baie | 15:50 |
| Kilos | met wat | 15:50 |
| Langjan | yes strange thing | 15:50 |
| Langjan | om rekenaar te leer | 15:50 |
| Kilos | shame | 15:50 |
| Kilos | wees geduldig | 15:50 |
| Langjan | its a major thing to realise when you type an e-mail, you need to place the cursor where you must type the heading, in a different window | 15:51 |
| Langjan | ja ek probeer | 15:51 |
| Kilos | shame | 15:51 |
| Kilos | laat sy net aanhou oefin | 15:51 |
| Kilos | dit lyk nie reg nie | 15:52 |
| Kilos | oefen | 15:52 |
| Langjan | but she actually sent an e-mail today, WITH an attachment | 15:52 |
| Kilos | daai ding | 15:52 |
| Kilos | yay | 15:52 |
| Kilos | she will get there | 15:52 |
| Langjan | yes she is a vasbyter | 15:53 |
| Langjan | van helsdingens | 15:53 |
| Kilos | im glad i started 10 years ago | 15:53 |
| Langjan | jy ek ook | 15:53 |
| Langjan | ja | 15:53 |
| Kilos | wouldnt be able to start now | 15:53 |
| Langjan | ja man | 15:54 |
| Kilos | nee ek moeg nou | 15:54 |
| Langjan | maklik | 15:54 |
| Langjan | hoe gana dit met die pyne? | 15:54 |
| Kilos | die ouens maak my moeg met al die ekstra goed | 15:54 |
| Kilos | ek lewe man | 15:54 |
| Kilos | pyne is deel van die lewe | 15:55 |
| Langjan | dan nog alles wat ek breek... | 15:55 |
| Kilos | haha ja | 15:55 |
| Langjan | ai | 15:55 |
| Kilos | my goed het lank laas gebreek | 15:55 |
| Langjan | want jy werk nie op unity nie...ja ek weet | 15:55 |
| Kilos | hi chesedo and wb | 15:55 |
| Kilos | hahahaha | 15:55 |
| Langjan | lmga | 15:56 |
| Kilos | jy moet nog leer om kde te gebruik | 15:56 |
| Langjan | wie is wb? | 15:56 |
| Kilos | mazal was ook hrdkoppig soos jy | 15:56 |
| Kilos | nou se hy hoekom het hy nie vroer kde to gegaan nie | 15:56 |
| Kilos | welcome back | 15:57 |
| Langjan | het jy hom hardkoppigheid geleer? | 15:57 |
| Kilos | ek gebruik kde en sien waneer mense kom en gaan | 15:57 |
| Langjan | Is kde net 'n desktop? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE | 15:59 |
| Langjan | hoe sien jy wanneer mense kom en gaan? Met die helm gebore? | 15:59 |
| Langjan | Blitsbokke het mooi gespeel vandag | 16:00 |
| Langjan | jaag jy skape aan? | 16:01 |
| Kilos | nee man | 16:01 |
| Kilos | dit wys regs ek het show hosts enable | 16:02 |
| Kilos | en boetie nou op mxit ook | 16:02 |
| Kilos | ai! | 16:02 |
| Langjan | Ek dink jy moet Indonesia-toe gaan en met een van daai vlugtelingbote na Oz | 16:04 |
| Kilos | ja ek dink ook so | 16:04 |
| Kilos | maar water koud | 16:04 |
| Langjan | nee man, dis tropies | 16:04 |
| Kilos | daar by OZ is dit koud | 16:05 |
| Kilos | en bote sink nie naby indonesia nie | 16:05 |
| Langjan | in die tropiese noorde? no way | 16:05 |
| Kilos | o die noorde van OZ | 16:06 |
| Langjan | Indonesia is naby oz | 16:06 |
| Kilos | ja maar dan lang pad om te hitch hike | 16:06 |
| Langjan | sal gouer wees as om vir visa te wag... | 16:06 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 16:06 |
| Kilos | ja lyk so ne | 16:06 |
| Langjan | maar nee jy vlieg van Cairns na Melbourne, maklik en baie goedkoper as van SA af | 16:07 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:07 |
| Langjan | did you check the Paris sevens games today? | 16:08 |
| Kilos | nope | 16:10 |
| Langjan | forgot? | 16:11 |
| Kilos | was too busy counting rain drops | 16:11 |
| Langjan | or kde broken... | 16:11 |
| Kilos | yes i forgot | 16:12 |
| Kilos | kde doesnt break | 16:12 |
| Langjan | lmga | 16:12 |
| Langjan | it will if I use it | 16:12 |
| Kilos | well | 16:12 |
| Kilos | that can only be seen if you try it | 16:12 |
| Kilos | but you too stubborn | 16:12 |
| Langjan | nee man ek wil jou nie verkeerd bewys nie... | 16:13 |
| Langjan | lmga | 16:13 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 16:13 |
| Kilos | so cheeky for an old man | 16:13 |
| Langjan | can afford to be | 16:13 |
| Kilos | im always right | 16:13 |
| Kilos | except when im wrong | 16:13 |
| Langjan | except now | 16:14 |
| Langjan | lmga | 16:14 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 16:14 |
| Langjan | sa31, oz0 | 16:14 |
| Kilos | im watching cheetahs /kings | 16:14 |
| Langjan | nz14 kenya12 | 16:14 |
| Langjan | yes at least a SA team will win that one | 16:15 |
| Kilos | lmga | 16:15 |
| Langjan | unless its a draw | 16:15 |
| Langjan | like wp and the japs | 16:15 |
| Kilos | yeah what a shocker | 16:16 |
| Kilos | stormers played sleg | 16:16 |
| Langjan | now still lions and blues, the sharks and jaguares | 16:16 |
| Langjan | then | 16:16 |
| Langjan | well the japs are playing good rugby | 16:17 |
| Kilos | ill be asleep before they all done | 16:17 |
| Kilos | will look results tomorrow | 16:17 |
| Langjan | score? | 16:18 |
| Langjan | cheetahs | 16:18 |
| Langjan | kings | 16:18 |
| Kilos | sec | 16:18 |
| Kilos | 27/13 | 16:19 |
| Kilos | have to change glasses to see tv | 16:19 |
| Langjan | youre like those commentators, who is 27? | 16:19 |
| Kilos | cheetahs ahead | 16:19 |
| Kilos | patience man | 16:19 |
| Langjan | wakey wakey man | 16:19 |
| Kilos | changing glasses is hard work | 16:20 |
| Langjan | eish! gotta transfer the ice... | 16:20 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:21 |
| Langjan | ok Kilos good to chat you, will be loving and leaving you | 16:21 |
| Kilos | look after you guys oomie | 16:21 |
| Langjan | lekker aand en naweek | 16:21 |
| Kilos | ty for the visit | 16:21 |
| Langjan | slaap lekker | 16:21 |
| Kilos | jy ook dankie | 16:21 |
| Langjan | my pleasure thks for the chat | 16:21 |
| Langjan | dankie | 16:22 |
| magespawn | good evening | 16:45 |
| gremble | welcome back magespawn | 16:46 |
| magespawn | ty been a while | 16:47 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:56 |
| magespawn | busy playing around with google cloud compute | 17:36 |
| paddatrapper | magespawn: Looks pretty cool | 17:37 |
| paddatrapper | What have you been using it for? | 17:37 |
| Kilos | ohi frogboots | 17:38 |
| magespawn | just signed up for their free usage to set up a nginx server to test NGINX Amplify that is beta | 17:38 |
| Kilos | hows you | 17:38 |
| paddatrapper | Hey Kilos. Goot thanks. You? | 17:38 |
| Kilos | good ty | 17:38 |
| paddatrapper | s/goot/good | 17:38 |
| Kilos | most typos i dont even notice | 17:39 |
| paddatrapper | Nor did I until I reread the message | 17:40 |
| paddatrapper | Then it annoyed me | 17:40 |
| Kilos | and i deal with peeps all over africa and bangladesh as well and some have different ways of pronouncing or spelling things so im learning to see what word fits there | 17:40 |
| Kilos | i didnt even notice the t | 17:41 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:41 |
| magespawn | this is nginx amplify https://is.gd/WNbf14 | 17:41 |
| Kilos | Maaz ask mazal have you tried systemback on a server yet | 17:42 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Okay, I'll ask mazal on freenode | 17:42 |
| paddatrapper | magespawn: Interesting, no more need to grep through loads of log files | 17:42 |
| magespawn | it looks like it is web based service so far, does not make any mention of a local installation | 17:44 |
| gremble | Google cloud platform looks cool. Just a pain that you need to set up an account with a card even if you just want to try it | 17:46 |
| magespawn | they always make a few busk of those who forget to cancel | 17:47 |
| magespawn | s/busk/bucks | 17:47 |
| Kilos | inetpro ? | 18:00 |
| Kilos | luister jy lions/blues | 18:00 |
| magespawn | interesting, eginx amplify pulls stats for the host machine and for nginx on that machine | 18:01 |
| magespawn | okay have a new nginx server running at http://104.196.22.139/ | 18:24 |
| magespawn | that was actually pretty straight forward | 18:25 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:08 |
| magespawn | good night Kilos | 19:08 |
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