[00:30] <Soelen> hello everyone, thunar 1.6.10 keeps crashing, what can I do? I think it is a known issue
[00:32] <Soelen> 16.04 64 bit
[00:33] <Soelen> just upgraded from 15.04 to 16.04 in hope this bug will disappear but not the case, it happens when I rename files
[00:35] <Soelen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1512120
[00:35] <Soelen> I guess that is that bug
[07:35] <sunstar> im very sorry. im having a problem with the mini iso installing xubuntu 16.04 to either a thumbdrige or sd card
[07:36] <bekks> sunstar: Which "problem"?
[07:37] <sunstar> once installed i get a message saying sda is clean and nothing futher. upun hitting pwr btn system shuts diwn in hash normally
[07:38] <sunstar> baah*
[10:24] <bob123456> hello, im new to irc, may i ask straight away or are there certain rules?
[10:46] <paolo> bob123456: ask politely and wait, stay on topic and use common sense
[10:46] <paolo> it should be enough :)
[10:47] <paolo> avoid private messages too
[10:47] <bob123456> thats not a problem i have no idea how to pm :)
[10:48] <Pelucho> http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
[10:48] <Pelucho> good guide
[10:48] <Pelucho> ;)
[10:49] <bekks> https://freenode.net/changuide :)
[10:49] <bob123456> ah thx
[10:49] <bob123456> ill read that and come back later
[10:50] <bob123456> bye and thx
[10:50] <Pelucho> bye
[12:49] <glitchd> hello all
[12:50] <glitchd> anyone have a clue on how to change the background color of the notification area without changing the theme?
[12:50] <glitchd> my notification icons are white and the background of the notification area is white, so i cant see anything..lol
[12:52] <Yannii> try other themes.  u can have diff theme for notifications, and for the regular windows
[12:52] <Yannii> glitchd, Settings > Notifications
[12:53] <glitchd> Yannii, thank you, but thats not what im talking about. you gave me info on changing the way popup notification look
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, im talking about the notification area on the top panel on the far right
[12:54] <Yannii> glitchd, ohhhh, sorry
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, it holds the wifi icon, power, volume, etc.
[12:54] <glitchd> Yannii, no worries, thank you for the intended help
[12:55] <Yannii> glitchd, yeh, i get it now.  yeh i have the same problem.  i think it is a gtk3 vs the old gtk2 problem (my panel is black, but the volume/wifi backround is white)
[12:55] <Yannii> for themes, there are both gtk2 and gtk3
[12:57] <glitchd> Yannii, this is what im talking about http://postimg.org/image/xon9l1tdd/
[12:57] <glitchd> yea you are correct
[12:58] <glitchd> i replied before i read your reply
[13:00] <Yannii> if u figure it out, LMK  haha. i have the same problem.  (cuz my GTK3 theme has a white panel/tASKBAR, but m GTK2 theme has a black panel
[13:06] <glitchd> Yannii, well, i didnt find an exact fix for it, but i did find a work around for it
[13:07] <Yannii> hey glitchd , do u know how to copy some icons from one theme to another, e.g. the new wifi icons suck.  the old school Gnome Wifi icons are super easy to read (to see signal strength and if it is locked or open wifi)
[13:07] <Yannii> that would also help ur white-backgound situation too
[13:08] <glitchd> Yannii, i know there is a way to do i, ive done that exact thing before
[13:08] <glitchd> Yannii, i found a work around for the white background of the notification area, let me upload this picture nd ill show u what i mean
[13:09] <Yannii> glitchd, cool
[13:09] <glitchd> Yannii, http://postimg.org/image/iu2wcbh81/
[13:09] <Yannii> glitchd, how did u do that?
[13:10] <glitchd> Yannii, all i did was make the panel transparent then made a backup of the background picture i use, then put a black block in the upper right corner of the picture, then set the copied picture as the background
[13:11] <glitchd> Yannii, i also have another panel on the bottom of my screen that holds the window buttons, so theyre not up there with everything else to clutter the panel
[13:12] <Yannii> yeh, tranparency would work, but i turn off all those effects  , to make my computer more snappp
[13:13] <glitchd> what are you system specs?
[13:13] <glitchd> ill show u what the desktop looks like with the panel fixed now
[13:14] <glitchd> http://postimg.org/image/g1uv71gj5/
[13:14] <Yannii> glitchd, my computer is fast enough, i just like everything streamlined,  lol, it why i choose Xfce, instead of all the others with the silly eyecandy for babies  :)
[13:14] <glitchd> i chopped off a piece of the picture because thats where all my icons nd such are on the desktop
[13:14] <Yannii> yes, that looks good
[13:15] <Yannii> hey, do u of a theme that is like clearlooks, but squared off like Numix
[13:15] <glitchd> honestly, not off the top of my head
[13:16] <Yannii> i like the square themes, but they all have grey on grey text  , lol
[13:16] <glitchd> im not even sure what those look like without seeing a picture or example of them
[13:16] <Yannii> i'm old fashioned i just want black text, but the GTK3 themes are much harder to modify :(
[13:16] <glitchd> what do u mean grey or grey text?
[13:16] <Yannii> one sec, there is a funny website about this
[13:16] <glitchd> mmk
[13:17] <Yannii> found it!  http://unreadable.website/
[13:17] <Yannii> LOL
[13:17] <Yannii> all the new themes, and websites, have grey text on grey background, like it is the new style  :P
[13:18] <Yannii> Clearlooks theme, is super old school, but has black text.  which is Unheard of in 2016   :P
[13:18] <Yannii> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearlooks
[13:19] <Yannii> http://xfce-look.org/
[13:19] <glitchd> thats reminiscent of windows styling id say
[13:20] <Yannii> it's reminiscent of not-wanting-to-strain-my-eyes-reading-grey-text  :)
[13:20] <glitchd> right on
[13:20] <Yannii> what theme do u use?
[13:20] <glitchd> i use a theme called drakefire
[13:20] <glitchd> lemme see if i can find a link to share to you
[13:22] <glitchd> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Drakfire+Black?content=135009
[13:22] <glitchd> thats it
[13:22] <glitchd> brb gonna go put the coffee on
[13:23] <Yannii> all, good thanks, just watching utube videos
[13:27] <glitchd> ok its brewing
[13:27] <glitchd> ill go get a cup im a few mins
[13:27] <glitchd> what do you use to listen to music? ie-pandora,spotify,mp3's?
[13:29] <Yannii> https://kat.cr/
[13:29] <Yannii> mp3's
[13:30] <Yannii> i dont get why people like pandora/spotify more than bittorrent?
[13:31] <Yannii> i guess it is to discover new music, that u don't know of?
[13:31] <glitchd> i like to use pithos on linux
[13:31] <xubuntu78i> hallo
[13:31] <glitchd> it uses pandora, but you can skip as much as u want
[13:31] <glitchd> hello xubuntu 78i
[13:31] <xubuntu78i> ?
[13:32] <glitchd> hello xubuntu78i
[13:32] <Yannii> glitchd, how much do u pay for pandora?
[13:32] <glitchd> Yannii, i dont, i have a free account
[13:32] <glitchd> ive had it for years
[13:32] <xubuntu78i> tem suporte em portugues tambem
[13:32] <xubuntu78i> ?
[13:32] <Yannii> glitchd, oh, that's cool, thanks for the link
[13:33] <glitchd> Yannii, not sure if u can still get free accounts or not, but i made the account probably like close to 10 years ago
[13:33] <Yannii> yeh, i'm old-fashioned, i just listen to mp3's LOL
[13:34] <glitchd> Yannii, thats not so old fashioned, i listen to a crap ton of mp3s in my car because the music radio stations play is crap
[13:34] <Yannii> glitchd, u can search torrent sites for "billboard" to discover new music ,(or old music) too
[13:34] <glitchd> and more often than not music is just filler noise for me, i dont really pay attention to it. its just there to eliminate the silence
[13:35] <glitchd> Yannii, rightright
[13:35] <Yannii> glitchd, there are tons of audiobooks and podcasts too
[13:35] <Yannii> but that is more dangerous when driving, i think , cuz sometimes u get too distracted
[13:35] <glitchd> Yannii, to be perfectly honest, a few years ago i got into dubstep music and it really ruined my musical taste and now that pretty much all i listen to
[13:36] <Yannii> esp. if u listen to audio book on 2X speed!  lol
[13:36] <glitchd> lol well i dont do that
[13:37] <Yannii> everytime i hear techno music i think of this video now, soooo funny
[13:37] <Yannii> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCawU6BE8P8
[13:37] <Yannii> .t
[13:37] <Yannii> WHEN WILL THE BASS DROP? (ft. Lil Jon)
[13:39] <glitchd> im watching it now
[13:39] <Yannii> u gotta show that to ur friends who like that kinda music  LOL
[13:41] <glitchd> thats hilarious
[13:43] <Yannii> cuz it's true, that guy Avicii makes ridiculous money.
[13:44] <glitchd> yes.yes he does
[13:44] <Yannii> That anyone else could do--- just put his CD in and press play.  no need to pay $100,000 / night for that  LOL
[13:44] <Yannii> http://www.magneticmag.com/2014/05/how-much-do-djs-make/
[13:44] <Yannii> $200,000 /night!
[13:44] <glitchd> if u know avicii then im sure u know of skrillex, right?
[13:45] <Yannii> yeh
[13:45] <krytarik> !ot
[13:45] <Yannii> i mean i've heard the popular songs
[13:46] <Yannii> on-topic: Avicii and those other DJ's should switch to Linux, to spread the word   :)
[13:46] <glitchd> yea i dont really listen to him all that much, but thats who i mention when im trying to explain it to other people
[13:47] <glitchd> i basically only really listen to music when im driving
[14:12] <Yannii> glitchd, nice talkin with ya, later bro
[14:17] <carrotcorn> Hi there! I'm on Ubuntu 15.10, with the `xubuntu-desktop` package installed, and most of the default `unity-*` and `ubuntu-desktop` package(s) removed. I installed CompizConfig Settings Manager and the extras, within which I enabled the Scale Windows plugin, which is shown to be bound to the Super + W keystroke. It doesn't seem to work though :/
[14:17] <carrotcorn> How might I fix this?
[14:20] <krytarik> carrotcorn: Did you even make Compiz run somehow?
[15:07] <oushkul> Hi all, new to this. Anyone help with wifi issues please?
[17:07] <cruncher> hi, when i restart/shutdown xubuntu, it "hangs" like for 1 minute, and then i can read on tty1 "systemd-shutdown, Failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring"
[17:08] <cruncher> how could i find out what is blocking the shutdown?
[17:11] <cruncher> on 16.04
[17:11] <cruncher> i386
[17:33] <xubuntu32w> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu being a former windows user and I need help in playing you tube videos and watching videos on hulu I have installed xubuntu 16.04 lts. I appreciate any assistance. I will await a reply. Thank you.
[17:35] <xubuntu32w> I have installed the 64 bit xubuntu 16.04. Thanks.
[17:36] <DarkBlu4> hello
[17:36] <xubuntu32w> hello
[17:37] <DarkBlu4> there's no driver for my network interface what can I do?
[17:41] <squinty> xubuntu32w,  probably need to install   pepperflashplugin-nonfree  from the repo's.  Or see http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/install-fresh-player-plugin-in-ubuntu.html about installing the fresh player plugin
[17:42] <xubuntu32w> Great, I think you are right so I will go to the link and read up about it. Thanks - Have a great day.
[17:45] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  might want to run Additional Drivers and see if anything is offered
[17:47] <DarkBlu4> additional drivers?
[17:47] <DarkBlu4> how do.I do that? sry im new to Linux I have no clue
[17:47] <xubuntu32w> ok squinty I will check that out also. thanks again
[17:49] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  main menu -> settings -> additional drivers
[17:50] <DarkBlu4> thx
[17:52] <DarkBlu4> it doesn't show any
[17:56] <xubuntu16w> Need help
[17:56] <xubuntu16w> Can't get online
[17:56] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  lspci | grep Network  to find out your card name
[17:57] <xubuntu16w> Neither via wlan (though it is on) nor with a cable
[18:01] <DarkBlu4> realtek 8821ae is my card name I knew it but can't find a driver for Linux
[18:01] <DarkBlu4> squinty
[18:03] <xubuntu16w> No "connections" under "network settings"
[18:04] <xubuntu16w> So i can't set it new
[18:20] <chuckmcm> knome: just wanted to say the xrandr --output <xx> --auto workaroud is *great*. I've also reflected this to the Intel folks in case this is a driver bug
[18:21] <knome> chuckmcm, glad to hear it helps, and thanks for actually taking care to report to appropriate parties
[18:32] <squinty> DarkBlu4,  seems there is no kernel support for that particular driver (but I may have missed something googling).  From googling it seems that unit is quite problematic.  Might want to consider https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7 ->  The rtlwifi_new driver from lwfinger
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> I tried it
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> doent work
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> downloaded whole repo
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> navigated to folder
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> wrote make
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> restarted still not working
[18:42] <DarkBlu4> but thx for your time
[18:43] <DarkBlu4> someone told me to do something with modprobe but idk what it is
[18:48] <DarkBlu4> I'll check out this tutorial thx for your time
[19:26] <bob123456> Hi, i recently installed Xubuntu 16.04 to replace the last running windows on my old gaming machine and i encountered two problems regarding package installation
[19:28] <bob123456> Problem 1: i did not activate the xenial-proposed updates but they still appear in the software-center (and synaptic). Is there a way to completely ignore ignore/get rid of them?
[19:30] <knome> bob123456, settings manager -> software & updates -> tab "updates" -> make sure proposed is unchecked, then close the dialog and refresh your repositories
[19:31] <bob123456> Problem 2:  i cant install manage to install steam, i already switched to main repos and reloaded, unchecked/checked multiverse and reloaded, i just wont show up in synaptic/software-center
[19:31] <xubuntu94w> Hi all. I change from xubuntu to ubuntu and i forgot the image viewer name... some remember?
[19:31] <knome> xubuntu94w, maybe you are looking for ristretto
[19:32] <xubuntu94w> maybe... i will research. thanks a lot!
[19:33] <knome> bob123456, are you sure you have the multiverse repositories enabled? also, have you updated your repository information?
[19:38] <squinty> fwiw, steam doesn't show up in the Ubuntu-Software (gnome-software) here in Unity either.  there are some problems with that application
[19:39] <squinty> it does however show up when using apt apt-get etc.
[19:39] <knome> right, maybe it's missing appdata, which is required for it to show up
[20:03] <Majora320> Hello, world!
[20:24] <bob123456> re, sorry, i had to get my cat down the neighbours garage
[20:24] <bob123456> knome: yes, they are enabled and i have reloaded the repository information several times
[20:26] <bob123456> knome: i also have checked the proposed updates, reloaded the sources, unchecked them again and reloaded the sources again and i still get these updates in synaptic/software-center
[20:27] <bob123456> knome: these updates are not shown in the software updater
[20:28] <bob123456> using sudo add-apt-repository multiverse i get the output "'multiverse' distribution component is already enabled for all sources"
[21:07] <peyam> hi
[21:07] <bob123456> hi
[21:07] <peyam> Is it possible to install gnomes on xubuntu? I dont get that gtk+ v 3 thing.
[21:08] <xangua> You don't get what exactly?
[21:08] <peyam> if you have gtk3 engine doest it mean you can install gtk 3 themes?
[21:08] <peyam> and apps that use gtk3
[21:09] <bob123456> what exactly do you want to install?
[21:09] <xangua> Gtk 2 programs will use gtk2 themes, gtk 3 programs will use gtk 3 themes yes
[21:10] <peyam> I want to install a gnome theme. It says gnome but if do I have to port it to xfce?
[21:11] <xangua> A gnome theme?
[21:13] <peyam> yeah? not possible?
[21:14] <xangua> Maybe you should start with stating/linking what theme you want to add
[21:18] <peyam> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/OSX-White?content=175940
[21:21] <xangua> That theme seems to be more gnome shell oriented
[21:21] <xangua> I suggest you to look at xfce-look.org
[22:59] <wedernoch_> hm
[22:59] <bob123456> i tried a clean install but my problem still persists
[23:00] <bob123456> problems*
[23:01] <bob123456> i can't find steam in the multiverse repository and the software-center keeps bugging me with proposed updates
[23:03] <mrkramps> bob123456, which version of xubuntu?
[23:03] <bob123456> sorry , 16.04 freshly installed
[23:05] <bob123456> unfortunately i installed the updates just now, because i hit the wrong button :x
[23:06] <mrkramps> bob123456, xenial-proposed updates should be disabled by default
[23:06] <bob123456> they are
[23:06] <bob123456> but they still show up in the softwarecenter and in synaptic
[23:06] <bob123456> unfortunately i hit the update button in the softwarecenter so they got installed-.-
[23:06] <Artemis3> then check /etc/apt and friends
[23:06] <bob123456> that just leaves steam
[23:07] <Artemis3> you should not have any proposed repositories
[23:09] <bob123456> jea i double checked wheter or not they were activated (in the gui) yet i still got updates in the softwarecenter that were not available by using the software updater "app"
[23:09] <mrkramps> bob123456, could you upload contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin, please
[23:09] <bob123456> is pastebin a channel?
[23:09] <mrkramps> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:10] <mrkramps> and paste generated link here
[23:11] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422576/
[23:12] <mrkramps> output of 'sudo apt-get update' would be great, too
[23:14] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422598/
[23:16] <mrkramps> hm, that's not much oO
[23:18] <bob123456> jup
[23:19] <bob123456> im gonna try something
[23:22] <bob123456> https://paste.ubuntu.com/16422667/
[23:22] <mrkramps> bob123456, whatever the software center was showing, there are definitely no proposed updates enabled
[23:23] <bob123456> thats the best i can get (deactivated and reactivated a repository)
[23:23] <mrkramps> looks good
[23:23] <bob123456> strange
[23:24] <mrkramps> bob123456, and what is the issue with steam?
[23:24] <bob123456> i cant find it in the repos
[23:24] <bob123456> software-center shows no match and so does synaptic
[23:25] <bob123456> i thought it was available in the multiverse repo
[23:25] <mrkramps> yes
[23:25] <mrkramps> but only for i386 architecture
[23:27] <bob123456> mh
[23:27] <squinty> bob123456,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16422724/   for 16.04 that is what your sources.list should be like
[23:28] <mrkramps> bob123456, wether try installing deb package from steam website
[23:28] <mrkramps> or try installing package 'steam:i386'
[23:28] <Artemis3> the sources.list looks good to me
[23:29] <mrkramps> the sources.list is fine
[23:29] <squinty> bob123456,  sudo apt install steam   in a terminal.  it will barf if the correct rep's aren't found....if it does then sources.list needs to be fixed
[23:29] <mrkramps> squinty, steam ist only available for 32-bit systems in the official repository
[23:29] <bob123456> i cant find any package called steam by using the search in synaptic and typing in steam (same for software-center)
[23:30] <Artemis3> but the culprit could be in sources.list.d/
[23:30] <bob123456> was that changed since 15.10? it worked fine on 15.10
[23:30] <mrkramps> bob123456, steam was not in the repository of 15.10 afaik
[23:30] <Artemis3> steam-launcher ?
[23:31] <Artemis3> search here (i can't open it atm) https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[23:31] <mrkramps> sry, it was in 15.10 but also for i386 only
[23:31] <bob123456> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16423099/
[23:31] <bob123456> thats my output for apt-get
[23:32] <mrkramps> continue?
[23:32] <Artemis3> looks good
[23:32] <Artemis3> i see no issues
[23:33] <Artemis3> that should install it
[23:34] <mrkramps> pretty strange, synaptic should have shown this package
[23:34] <bob123456> thats rather strange since i always download 64bit images and im rather sure that i installed everything via synaptic the last time
[23:34] <Artemis3> i wonder if there wasn't a 64bit version
[23:34] <Artemis3> what do i even have lol
[23:34] <bob123456> uhm also, i dont see a package called steam beneath all those packages
[23:35] <bob123456> oh wiat
[23:35] <bob123456> there it is at the end xD
[23:35] <mrkramps> bob123456, ubuntu uses multiarch (multiple architecture) which allows for 32bit sofware on 64bit system
[23:35] <bob123456> yea i thought so
[23:35] <bob123456> it would be mandatory since a lot of games are still 32bit afaik
[23:36] <mrkramps> just irritating when you told us the package does not appear in synaptic
[23:36] <bob123456> jea thats what creeps me out
[23:36] <mrkramps> i first thought it was because of architecture but
[23:36] <bob123456> it still doesnt show up in the softwarecenter or synaptic
[23:36] <squinty> just installed synaptic here and search didn't turn up any hits for steam
[23:37] <bob123456> also it shows some strange dos style popup window to accept their eula
[23:37] <mrkramps> package 'multiarch-support' installed?
[23:37] <bob123456> urgh
[23:37] <bob123456> gotta look it up, i just reinstalled, brb
[23:38] <bob123456> yea its preinstalled
[23:39] <bob123456> now steam is visible in synaptic
[23:39] <Artemis3> no steam can be 32 and still launch 64 bit
[23:39] <Artemis3> in fact i think i have 32 bit as well
[23:39] <Artemis3> steam is nothing more than a launcher, and parts of the chromium browser
[23:39] <bob123456> i also had a bug using the install cd
[23:40] <Artemis3> if apt works there is no need to bother with synaptic
[23:40] <Artemis3> in fact synaptic is a bit less reliable
[23:40] <bob123456> synaptic is a bit more intuitive
[23:41] <Artemis3> you may think, but quite the opposite when trouble happens
[23:41] <mrkramps> synaptic is a solid frontend and works great for searching the repositories
[23:41] <bob123456> yet slightly advantageous for browsing packages :D
[23:42] <mrkramps> yapp
[23:42] <Artemis3> it rather go to https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[23:42] <Artemis3> faster and easier
[23:42] <bob123456> the thing that creeped me out was the absence in both the software-center and synaptic
[23:42] <mrkramps> bob123456, just forget the software-center
[23:42] <Artemis3> synaptic stopped being bundled in ubuntu some versions ago, and i think xubuntu uses a lightweight alternative
[23:43] <Artemis3> but apt-get is always there
[23:43] <mrkramps> Artemis3, USC was now replaced by Gnome Software
[23:44] <Artemis3> thanks i guess thats it
[23:44] <Artemis3> im still on 12.04 :3
[23:44] <Artemis3> also saw the one bundled in ubuntu mate, quite nice for newcomers
[23:44] <mrkramps> Artemis3, Xubuntu 12.04 went EOS a year ago
[23:45] <Artemis3> it works, i play games on steam will hold until next year
[23:45] <Artemis3> when they kill ubuntu updates
[23:45] <bob123456> ^^
[23:46] <bob123456> my workflow usually is: install offline, enable ufw, get security updates, install synaptic, install whats left, win
[23:46] <Artemis3> and then i hope situacion improves enough here so i can buy an SSD etc
[23:46] <Artemis3> lol i don't even bother with ufw
[23:47] <mrkramps> kk, just wanted to mention it … there are still people who think xubuntu lts is 5 years
[23:47] <Artemis3> yes i know it was 3 yrs
[23:48] <Artemis3> the reason i haven't upgraded is, the economy here got pretty dire and i was holding to purchase an SSD, but now its out of the question, even lost a HD the other day and can't replace it
[23:48] <bob123456> i thought about a ssd/gpu too, my gaming rig got a 260gtx and 4gb ram but im not sure whether this is a good idea
[23:49] <Artemis3> could use more ram but seems fine to me
[23:49] <Artemis3> nvidia is best for games
[23:50] <bob123456> well "gaming"-rig, its my old tower pc, thats still more powerfull than my "mobile"-pc
[23:50] <Artemis3> i have a 460 here
[23:50] <Artemis3> pretty old now
[23:50] <bob123456> yea the problem is, that a 750Ti would be better while having a tdp of 60W vs the 180W of my 260GTX
[23:50] <mrkramps> bob123456, you should update ram
[23:51] <Artemis3> but i have to survive with it probably another year -_- hope it doesnt fail
[23:51] <Artemis3> oh if you can buy go ahead
[23:51] <bob123456> jea i thought about it, but getting the right ddr2 ram will be a pain in the ass
[23:51] <Artemis3> i would if i could
[23:51] <Artemis3> nah
[23:51] <Artemis3> unless you want fancy gamer stuff
[23:52] <Artemis3> you can go to amazon and still get them
[23:52] <mrkramps> pretty much depends on the specific games, but system requirements got pretty high nowadays
[23:52] <Artemis3> they usually 667 or 800, i think i have 667 here
[23:52] <bob123456> hm
[23:52] <bob123456> im still thinking about it
[23:53] <Artemis3> and 64bit eats more ram to
[23:53] <mrkramps> bob123456, are there certain games you want to play?
[23:53] <bob123456> problem is, that the onboard sound is dead
[23:53] <Artemis3> i can play kerbal space program in 64 bit with 8gb of ram, but had trouble with 4gb
[23:53] <bob123456> 3 of 6-8 usb ports are dead or in bad shape
[23:53] <Artemis3> but they have switched to unity 5 and things have improved
[23:54] <Artemis3> oh
[23:54] <Artemis3> you could use a cheap sound card?
[23:54] <bob123456> the pci express soundcard that was ment to replace the onboard sound never worked on windows but is recognized in linux
[23:54] <Artemis3> something with envy24 :)
[23:54] <Artemis3> then you are settled
[23:54] <bob123456> i just have to get me some headphones to test them xD
[23:54] <Artemis3> put a bit more ram if you can
[23:55] <Artemis3> but most games should work fine
[23:55] <Artemis3> except the latest greatest
[23:55] <Artemis3> (Doom 4 :3)
[23:55] <bob123456> actually farcry 2 still doesnt work properly
[23:56] <bob123456> the only thing i could need an upgrade for would be witcher 2
[23:56] <Artemis3> yeah those games need the ram i think
[23:56] <bob123456> i bought it for 2 bucks in a sale and its to laggy to have fun
[23:56] <Artemis3> specially if they provide a 64bit binary
[23:57] <bob123456> but most of my games are limited by the harddrive
[23:57] <Artemis3> but it could be a gpu bottleneck
[23:57] <Artemis3> depending on game
[23:57] <Artemis3> the 260 isnt that fast anymore
[23:57] <Artemis3> older games should run fine
[23:58] <bob123456> its always hilarious in onlinegames when you are stuck in loadingscreens
[23:58] <Artemis3> i know even skyrim on wine does since i tested it with a 9800
[23:59] <Artemis3> i only play some mmo online lately
[23:59] <bob123456> well there is a difference between running a game and running it in a way i dont get a headache from strange graphics :D