| ahoneybun | we have 5.6.4 out? | 02:21 |
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| barmaley | how do I test it? | 04:08 |
| barmaley | 5.6.4 | 04:08 |
| barmaley | http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 | 04:09 |
| barmaley | gimme les links!!1 | 04:12 |
| renee77 | morning :) | 07:42 |
| crissi- | http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 => how i can help? | 08:28 |
| === crissi- is now known as Crissi | ||
| renee77 | haven't seen one awake crissi | 08:36 |
| Crissi | :-D | 08:37 |
| renee77 | not sure what status is with testing :) | 08:38 |
| renee77 | do you know clivejo? | 08:38 |
| Crissi | not yet | 08:39 |
| acheron88 | unless you are running yakkety and have a system or VM that you don't mind risking a high chance of breaking, then I don't think testing those packages from staging is wise | 08:40 |
| acheron88 | clivejo, said yesterday "clivejo isnt very happy about people testing from staging PPA's" | 08:42 |
| Crissi | sure, can setup a vm of 16.04 | 08:42 |
| renee77 | lol I know he was also talking to me | 08:42 |
| acheron88 | so I think that testing message on kubuntu wire was jumping the gun a bit on those packages | 08:42 |
| Crissi | i think you should know what you are doing when you do testing ;) | 08:43 |
| acheron88 | if you do and cam fix breakages, then good | 08:43 |
| Crissi | btw: is the issue with missing kipi plugins on gwenview fixed? | 09:10 |
| renee77 | I am not a good reference but if I understood correctly you have to remove ald lib libkf5kipi to make plugins work with new lib | 09:16 |
| mparillo | I think clivejo was talking about me. | 10:05 |
| mparillo | Yes, I was testing 5.6.4 out of staging, and I was so excited I put out the wire post. | 10:06 |
| renee77 | :) | 10:07 |
| mparillo | For me (only in a YY VM) it basically works so long as you do not absolutely need to auto-hide the panel. | 10:07 |
| mparillo | And I had to run ksnapshot to capture the kinfocenter shot | 10:08 |
| renee77 | I am not there yet first hardware firmware update then vm and also going to test :) | 10:08 |
| mparillo | All is proceeding as I have forseen | 10:09 |
| mparillo | misquote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q | 10:10 |
| renee77 | ha ha ha ha! | 10:12 |
| mparillo | Seriously, It is good to get some positive excitement about Kubuntu and yes, I recommend you only test in a VM, and last, if the devels do not want to answer because it is too early (they prefer testing from landing), blame me and not them. | 10:12 |
| renee77 | I did not blame anyone was having some problems with wireless and lts where also after fresh again ppa staging was selected | 10:15 |
| renee77 | used partition magic to shred hdd and ssd | 10:15 |
| renee77 | but really dont mind getting in to trouble it is the way I learn fastest :D | 10:16 |
| renee77 | ment fresh install :) | 10:17 |
| clivejo | mparillo: not at all, Im running from staging too! But you have to understand the risks and never use it on a production system | 10:54 |
| clivejo | we just don’t have the people power to help fix systems broken by using inappropriate PPA's | 10:55 |
| clivejo | my call for testers was to actually test if the packages installed sucussful! | 10:56 |
| clivejo | following the headache of the kde-l10n conflicts | 10:57 |
| mparillo | Well in my case, not only was the installation successful, except for the panel thing, and possibly the 'extra' activities (I will re-test both on real hardware when they move to -landing), I think Plasma 5.6.4 is great. And as you note, kde-spectacle is not part of plasma. Though maybe the big SC code-drops had their purpose. | 11:00 |
| acheron88 | working nicely in a VM here. | 11:16 |
| clivejo | can anyone shed any light on the networkmanager problem in Xenial? | 11:17 |
| allee | clivejo: bug#? FWIW: DHCP is working for me. Only adding a static IP setup failed. | 11:18 |
| allee | clivejo: FYI: yy upgrade 5,21,5.6.3 -> 5.22,5.6.4 in a VM without problem! Great job! | 11:19 |
| * allee hugs clivejo | 11:19 | |
| clivejo | allee: it started as one bug, but has kinda grown! | 11:20 |
| allee | uh, family wants my attention. I'll have a look later, if someone lemme know what/where to start bug hunting | 11:22 |
| clivejo | Bug 1569674 | 11:22 |
| ubottu | bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu Xenial) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 | 11:22 |
| acheron88 | wifi fine here in xenial | 11:23 |
| clivejo | what version network manager you got installed? | 11:24 |
| clivejo | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager | 11:25 |
| allee | clivejo: wifi & DHCP & VPN(cisco) works at home and at work | 11:26 |
| acheron88 | 1.1.93-0ubuntu4 | 11:26 |
| clivejo | thats the one I made the patch for | 11:27 |
| clivejo | the problem is the 1.2.0 release currently in proposed | 11:27 |
| acheron88 | I don't install from proposed on a released distro, unless it specifically has something with a fix I need. | 11:28 |
| allee | clivejo: yeah. Creating a Static IP setup failed for me too with nm in xx release. I'll can try proposed later | 11:30 |
| * allee afk | 11:30 | |
| acheron88 | oh well. what I have works so I'm not messing with it ;) | 11:31 |
| clivejo | if you are on networkmanager 1.1.93 the networkmanager-qt package in my PPA should fix that problem | 11:31 |
| clivejo | but if you have nm 1.2 then all hell breaks loose and you will probably kill plasma-nm altogether | 11:32 |
| acheron88 | is this specifically plasma/qt-nm prob? | 11:33 |
| clivejo | nm-qt seems to be a wrapper for nm | 11:33 |
| clivejo | yofel tried to upload the patch but nm 1.2 is sitting in Xenial proposed | 11:35 |
| acheron88 | so it's nm itself? i.e. the nm-applet from xfce4 would also do the same? | 11:37 |
| clivejo | I dunno | 11:38 |
| acheron88 | just asking, as I sometimes use that, even in plasma. | 11:38 |
| clivejo | Xenial shipped with this bug | 11:38 |
| acheron88 | must have been lucky not to hit it then | 11:38 |
| clivejo | mainly affected people with VPN's | 11:38 |
| renee77 | I didnt have VPN | 11:39 |
| clivejo | the main problem, in my opinion is that Xenial shipped with a beta of NM | 11:40 |
| clivejo | version 1.1.93 is not a version that should be in an LTS! | 11:41 |
| clivejo | someone has spotted that and packaged 1.2 and uploaded it to proposed | 11:41 |
| acheron88 | lucky they spin new isos for the LTS point releases then! | 11:41 |
| acheron88 | assuming fixed by then... | 11:41 |
| clivejo | giving us 1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 | 11:42 |
| thefarid | hi | 11:56 |
| thefarid | kubuntu is sutable for 2 gb ram or 1 GHz processor | 11:57 |
| thefarid | AMD process | 11:58 |
| soee_ | preo/ | 13:01 |
| clivejo | yofel: ping | 13:29 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:40 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> Hoho | 13:40 |
| IrcsomeBot | <marcinsagol> *hiho | 13:40 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo: just upgraded ..already there, 5.6.4 plasma version | 14:00 |
| mparillo | BluesKaj: You used -staging on YY? | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | any fixes to the activities and nvidia driver problem is that a kernel issue.? Yess YY | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | or | 14:02 |
| BluesKaj | using a low level setting for my desktop, Xrender , no activities etc | 14:04 |
| mparillo | Activities seemed to work for me. I noticed a number (maybe six) stopped activities. I do miss in Plasma 4 the various activity templates. I do not know about driver problems. I test -staging in a VM. I will try on HW when they hit -landing | 14:04 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo: what's your gpu? | 14:05 |
| renee77 | graphical procces unit BluesKaj | 14:08 |
| renee77 | processor | 14:08 |
| renee77 | not proces | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | renee77: graphics processer unit | 14:11 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo I have to be on YY to get 5.6.4? | 14:15 |
| BluesKaj | the ppa is available for Xenial too, ahoneybun | 14:16 |
| ahoneybun | oh yea BluesKaj ? | 14:16 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Yes Arron | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma | 14:17 |
| ahoneybun | do I need to disable my graphics ppa? | 14:17 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> 5.6.4 is only done for yakkety | 14:17 |
| ahoneybun | 5.6.3 is in there | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | ahh | 14:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Yes 5.6.3 | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | sorry for the mistake, ahoneybun | 14:18 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> But not 5.6.4 | 14:18 |
| ahoneybun | 5.6 was a big update the .3 is minor update | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | yeah | 14:18 |
| ahoneybun | BluesKaj just one point off lol | 14:18 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo do I need to disable my graphics ppa? | 14:19 |
| ahoneybun | I'm using NVIDIA | 14:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> I dont know | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | well 5.6.4 fixes some problems with activities I believe | 14:19 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Yakkety has some issues with kernel at the monent | 14:19 |
| ahoneybun | my issues are with the launcher and text disappearing | 14:20 |
| ahoneybun | switching launchers causes favorites to reset | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | ahoneybun: same here I'm reluctant to try the nvidia proprietary driver tho ...nouveau seems to be working well here | 14:20 |
| ahoneybun | BluesKaj I was tempted to format this thing anyway | 14:20 |
| ahoneybun | but I've downloaded a few games | 14:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> I lost plasma for a few days | 14:21 |
| ahoneybun | also was going to give GNOME a try | 14:21 |
| ahoneybun | for the heck of it | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | eeuew | 14:21 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> Due to nvidia not being able to compile the module | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | the IrcsomeBot on 4.4.0-21 ? | 14:23 |
| BluesKaj | kernel that is | 14:23 |
| pursuivant | libqapt (master) v3.0.2-1-ga58eab7 * Pino Toscano: src/package.cpp | 14:27 |
| pursuivant | include <random> for std::default_random_engine | 14:27 |
| pursuivant | apparently it was implicitly pulled by other (apt?) headers | 14:27 |
| pursuivant | http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a58eab74ee9881d10e0f24a3ed216ed71ba03bf5 | 14:27 |
| marco-parillo | I am not sure what my GPU is (I suppose VMware must emulate one), but I do know since I "upgraded" to VMware Workstation Player 12 (from VMware Player 9, I think), I have been able to crash my VM when I never could before. I prevent 90% of those crashes by turning off 3D rendering, which I never had to do before. | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | nope the the nvidia prop driver isn't up to screen resolution capablity on this monitor, so the kernel module isn't patched yet | 14:44 |
| ahoneybun | I'm tempted to try it | 14:53 |
| ahoneybun | I just would need to purge that graphics ppa and upgrade | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | that'sw hat I just did , your gpu may worj , my entry level 8400GS /340 driver isn't up to the task yet | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | ahoneybun: ^ | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | work even | 14:55 |
| ahoneybun | I have a GT 750M | 14:55 |
| ahoneybun | with 364.19 now | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | nice | 14:56 |
| ahoneybun | yet have issues playing Tomb Raider lol | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | maybe my card is on the verge of the "legacy" classification | 14:56 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo do I need any other PPAs other then staging? | 15:30 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: for what? | 15:31 |
| ahoneybun | testing Plasma 5.6.3 | 15:31 |
| ahoneybun | from Staging | 15:31 |
| clivejo | no, I copied frameworks across, so they should all be in there | 15:32 |
| ahoneybun | holy... 244 package to update | 15:32 |
| ahoneybun | here we go | 15:33 |
| ahoneybun | alright rebooting | 15:36 |
| clivejo | that was fast | 15:37 |
| ahoneybun | yea decent speeds and a SSD | 15:37 |
| clivejo | takes me hours to update :( | 15:37 |
| mamarley | You should get an SSD. :) | 15:37 |
| clivejo | I have an SSD | 15:37 |
| mamarley | Oh | 15:38 |
| ahoneybun | internet speeds | 15:38 |
| clivejo | its my internet thats slow | 15:38 |
| mamarley | Sorry :( | 15:38 |
| clivejo | carrier pigeons fitted with micro sd-cards would be faster, more reliable! | 15:38 |
| ahoneybun | mm the login got the new wallpaper but not the loading bar | 15:38 |
| ahoneybun | mm About System says I'm on 5.5.5 | 15:39 |
| clivejo | then you mustnt have got it properly | 15:40 |
| clivejo | there can be file conflicts | 15:40 |
| ahoneybun | what is that command to check the version in konsole | 15:40 |
| clivejo | did you check the install went ok? | 15:41 |
| DarinMiller | OK this is weird, I have 2 YY bare metal installs with 5.6.4 where the panel autohide/window can cover work just fine. | 15:41 |
| ahoneybun | mm need to do a dist-upgrade | 15:41 |
| DarinMiller | In fact, everything but oxygen icons work great. | 15:41 |
| ahoneybun | not sure why those are even on the system anymore | 15:41 |
| ahoneybun | I think krunner got the update lol | 15:42 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: that is odd | 15:42 |
| DarinMiller | On Arch, 5.6.4 still suffers from the autohide issue. | 15:42 |
| ahoneybun | dist-upgrade is going slower then upgrade | 15:43 |
| DarinMiller | Can anyone give me hint on how to install mamarley's nvidia340 driver on YY? | 15:44 |
| clivejo | probably beacuse its actually installing files :P | 15:44 |
| ahoneybun | it did before | 15:44 |
| mamarley | DarinMiller: Just add ppa:mamarley/staging. | 15:44 |
| ahoneybun | I saw packages being replaced | 15:44 |
| ahoneybun | just my speeds are slow now | 15:44 |
| mamarley | But make sure you disable it once the package gets moved to the main PPA since I upload stuff there for testing sometimes. | 15:45 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: add his magic PPA | 15:45 |
| clivejo | has anyone on Yakkety had the networking problems Xenial has seen? | 15:46 |
| clivejo | !info networkmanager | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Package networkmanager does not exist in yakkety | 15:47 |
| clivejo | ubottu you lie !! | 15:47 |
| ubottu | clivejo: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 15:47 |
| ahoneybun | !info pa-nm | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Package pa-nm does not exist in yakkety | 15:47 |
| DarinMiller | As in the Pre-release XX option that corrupts the plasma nw icon? | 15:47 |
| ahoneybun | it is something like nm | 15:48 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: yes | 15:48 |
| clivejo | there is a version on proposed1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 | 15:49 |
| clivejo | seems to be causing a lot of problems | 15:49 |
| clivejo | but I havent noticed anything wrong in Yakkety | 15:50 |
| DarinMiller | Both my YY boxes are working fine, however my XX session is dorked. Attempting to revert the XX session want to remove the entire KDE envioro and/or install a whole bunch of gnome stuff. | 15:51 |
| BluesKaj | DarinMiller, nvidia gpu driver? | 15:53 |
| DarinMiller | yes, nvdia760 364.19 | 15:54 |
| clivejo | I wonder if I backported network-manager 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 from Yakkety into frameworks staging would that get me a stable base to build FW5.22 on | 15:54 |
| BluesKaj | purge it if it's causing probs, the kernel module doesn't build properly for the 4.4.0-21 kernel, DarinMiller | 15:55 |
| DarinMiller | I can easliy work around the nm issue, but everytime after wake or reboot, I have to use: nmcli --ask -p con up "Millers_5G" ifname wlp3s0 | 15:55 |
| DarinMiller | I tried sudo ppa-purge xenial-proposed, but that did not work. | 15:56 |
| DarinMiller | FIles fail to dl, and warning message says: apt-get update failed for some reason | 15:57 |
| BluesKaj | clivejo, I installed nm-gnome to enter my vpn settings and nmcli workwed well for connecting | 15:57 |
| BluesKaj | purgew the nvidia driver is my suggestion DarinMiller | 15:58 |
| DarinMiller | purge nvdia driver on XX to fix the nm issue? | 15:59 |
| DarinMiller | mamarley: you are a genious, your ppa worked awesome. | 15:59 |
| BluesKaj | clivejo, but there's a fix for nm in the repos ..it woked on my laptop after upgrading | 15:59 |
| mamarley | Not really, I just applied a quick patch to get the driver to compile against 4.6. | 16:00 |
| ahoneybun | alright | 16:00 |
| ahoneybun | on Plasma 5.6.3 | 16:00 |
| ahoneybun | Frameworks 5.21 | 16:00 |
| ahoneybun | Qt 5.5.1 | 16:00 |
| BluesKaj | mamarley,on YY? | 16:01 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: sounds better | 16:01 |
| ahoneybun | yep | 16:01 |
| mamarley | BluesKaj: Xenial and Yakkety. DKMS applies the patch only if you are running 4.6, so it works fine on Xenial too. | 16:01 |
| ahoneybun | loads up much quieter | 16:01 |
| ahoneybun | *faster | 16:01 |
| clivejo | yeah, I noticed that with 5.6 | 16:02 |
| ahoneybun | I get to the SDDM fast | 16:02 |
| ahoneybun | but loading took time | 16:02 |
| ahoneybun | now faster! | 16:02 |
| DarinMiller | More clues with the autohide issue. After installing mamarley ppa, the YY Nvidia340 box now suffers from the autohide. | 16:02 |
| clivejo | seems to be driver related | 16:03 |
| mamarley | 5.6 loads up really fast for me too. | 16:03 |
| mamarley | I would guess if it is driver-related, it is caused by the driver itself and not the packaging. | 16:03 |
| DarinMiller | My YY nvidia960 364.19 box works fine. Will have to add these notes to the bug report... | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | mamarley, odd I just tried to install nvidia-340 on YY with plasma 5.6.4 . the monitor resolution regreesedt o a much lower setting asfter a the reboot | 16:04 |
| mamarley | I can't explain that, sorry. | 16:04 |
| BluesKaj | correction: regressed to a much lower resolution after the reboot | 16:05 |
| DarinMiller | I agree, not packaging issue. Sound more of an NVidia driver/plasma issue. | 16:05 |
| BluesKaj | fails to build properly ... however the nouveau is all Ireally need for now , works fine | 16:06 |
| DarinMiller | ovidiuflorin is a genious, he posted the fix for nm XX Pre-release issue in the bug report (sudo apt install libkf5networkmanagerqt6=5.18.0-0ubuntu1) for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu Xenial) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] | 16:18 |
| DarinMiller | now my xx nm is back to normal, yes! | 16:18 |
| ahoneybun | so far running nice! | 16:19 |
| ahoneybun | mm some reason GDM is coming back | 16:19 |
| ahoneybun | suspend does work nice! | 16:19 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: Nvidia card? | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 16:20 |
| ahoneybun | GT 750M | 16:20 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: Does panel autohide/window can cover work for you? | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | autohide panel? | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | oh those | 16:22 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: Panel hamburger, more settings | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | yea right | 16:22 |
| ahoneybun | both work | 16:23 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: my XX box with intel drivers, 5.6.3 autohide fails. With YY I have mixed results, on Nvidia box works, the other does not. | 16:24 |
| ahoneybun | weird | 16:25 |
| ahoneybun | I do have an intel built in | 16:26 |
| ahoneybun | mm switching to intel .. | 16:32 |
| ahoneybun | just trying to log out caused a lock up | 16:32 |
| ahoneybun | DarinMiller both work fine on my intel card | 16:33 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: Good to know, I will update my xx Nvidia box to 5.6.3 and see what happens.... | 16:39 |
| ahoneybun | I'm on 364.19 as well | 16:39 |
| DarinMiller | ahoneybun: do you use prime-select to switch cards? | 16:39 |
| ahoneybun | the nvidia app | 16:39 |
| ahoneybun | I never remember the commands | 16:40 |
| ahoneybun | though I should if I lock up again | 16:40 |
| DarinMiller | I think thats the same... but good to know.. | 16:40 |
| DarinMiller | Cool. My skylake laptop can now finally switch between NVidia and Intel! (YY, 364.19, kernel 4.5 rc-7) Yes! | 16:54 |
| DarinMiller | XX upgrade to 5.6.3 was painless on the XX box. Panel " window can cover" works fine!!!???? | 17:01 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: no file conflict errors? | 17:02 |
| DarinMiller | clivejo: no file conflict errors that I noticed. Where should I be looking? | 17:06 |
| clivejo | when installing the packages | 17:06 |
| clivejo | kcm_activities.mo | 17:07 |
| DarinMiller | Nope. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma followed by sudo apt update followed by sudo apt full-upgrade. No errors or issues. | 17:07 |
| DarinMiller | I restarted plasmashell (killall plasmashell && plasmashell &) and 5.6.3 was active. Seemed to easy so I rebooted just to be sure. No problems. | 17:08 |
| DarinMiller | Activities are working fine | 17:10 |
| DarinMiller | meta-tab switch no problem | 17:10 |
| DarinMiller | The desktop hamburger menu auto disappears, but this has been an issue since KDE4... | 17:12 |
| DarinMiller | If I use System Settings -> Desktop Behavior to manage my activities I don't have to fight the deskop hamburger autoclose menu issue. | 17:15 |
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| * clivejo giggles | 17:40 | |
| clivejo | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/13/microsoft_phone_support_contractors_told_to_hang_up_after_15_minutes/ | 17:40 |
| Mamarok | lol | 17:45 |
| IrcsomeBot | <Clifford> I must try that technique | 17:46 |
| soee | hiho :) | 18:18 |
| clivejo | hi soee | 18:18 |
| soee | clivejo: do we have this language problems solved ? | 18:21 |
| clivejo | not sure | 18:21 |
| renee__ | hi all | 19:55 |
| renee__ | now on daily no nm error | 19:56 |
| renee__ | was it fixed? | 19:56 |
| DarinMiller | hi renee__, it's working for me too, not sure where/how the fix landed. | 19:57 |
| renee__ | Because I also did upgrade firmware of nw card | 19:57 |
| renee__ | what ppa is used for plasma 5.6.e? | 19:58 |
| renee__ | j5.6.4 | 19:58 |
| soee | plasma-staging | 19:59 |
| soee | renee__: ok YY ? | 19:59 |
| soee | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma | 19:59 |
| renee__ | yep | 20:00 |
| renee__ | thanks :) | 20:00 |
| DarinMiller | soee: plasma-staging 5.6.4 staging working great on 2 boxes here (one old, one new) | 20:01 |
| * clivejo likes 5.6.4 too | 20:01 | |
| * soee waits for backports .. | 20:02 | |
| * clivejo waits for 5.7 | 20:02 | |
| renee__ | me too ;-) | 20:04 |
| DarinMiller | 5.7: 2016-06-30 (per https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5) What's in it? | 20:04 |
| renee__ | ability to test and brick system ;-) | 20:06 |
| renee__ | is there a testing page to fill in or just go for it? | 20:09 |
| clivejo | testing page? | 20:09 |
| renee__ | were you keep track of functionality ? | 20:10 |
| clivejo | thats soee's job | 20:10 |
| renee__ | in wiki refering to other page but not existing | 20:10 |
| clivejo | he tracks releases/features/bugs | 20:10 |
| renee__ | ah ok | 20:10 |
| renee__ | lol I thought every input would be welcome ;-) | 20:11 |
| clivejo | its is! | 20:12 |
| clivejo | but we need more people power! | 20:12 |
| clivejo | reading bug reports and triaging | 20:13 |
| clivejo | figuring out where the bug needs to be reported to, in order to get it fixed | 20:13 |
| clivejo | some bugs are Ubuntu, some are packaging issues and some are KDE source issues | 20:14 |
| renee__ | ah I started reading but wasnt sure when I could adjust and assign bug requests I would like to start with triaging | 20:15 |
| renee__ | Little bit scared to do it wrong | 20:16 |
| renee__ | too | 20:16 |
| renee__ | brb in 5 mins | 20:16 |
| clivejo | just ask :) | 20:16 |
| soee | :-) | 20:26 |
| soee | Telegram has snap package: https://uappexplorer.com/app/telegram-sergiusens.sergiusens | 20:27 |
| clivejo | License: Proprietary ? | 20:28 |
| clivejo | I thought Telegram was OS? | 20:28 |
| soee | OS ? | 20:30 |
| soee | ah open source | 20:31 |
| soee | uh dunno | 20:31 |
| soee | not fully OS | 20:32 |
| soee | https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything | 20:32 |
| ahoneybun | we don't have snap anyway | 20:33 |
| renee__ | back :) | 20:33 |
| soee | clivejo: push the button called "backports" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8 | 20:34 |
| renee__ | lol | 20:34 |
| clivejo | I cant find that button soee | 20:34 |
| soee | :D | 20:35 |
| clivejo | where is it? | 20:35 |
| clivejo | soee: are you a kubuntu member? | 20:43 |
| soee | clivejo: no | 20:44 |
| clivejo | why not ?? :O | 20:44 |
| valorie | o/ folks | 20:45 |
| soee | well i do nothing important for Kubuntu, annoying others only :D | 20:45 |
| clivejo | hi valorie | 20:46 |
| soee | hi valorie \o | 20:46 |
| valorie | home from the cabin, cat fed, wash machine fed, happy to be home | 20:46 |
| clivejo | soee: you should help out | 20:46 |
| sgclark | hey all I am trying to fix my blog to be less cranky. technical difficulties has arisen though | 20:47 |
| valorie | soee: the info you feed us is valuable! | 20:47 |
| soee | sgclark: what happend? | 20:48 |
| sgclark | which part? being cranky or technical difficulties? lol | 20:48 |
| soee | technical stuff :-) | 20:48 |
| sgclark | I forgot my password it seems and kmail is taking three years to load mail. guess I should finish packaging that. | 20:49 |
| * clivejo can understand the kmail issue | 20:50 | |
| clivejo | the mysql upgrade really messed kontact up for me | 20:50 |
| sgclark | same' | 20:50 |
| clivejo | Ive had to swap to webmail for my accounts :( | 20:51 |
| soee | sorry cant help much here, i'm using Thunderbird | 20:51 |
| clivejo | just cant afford to waste time waiting on Kontact to load mail | 20:52 |
| * clivejo suffers from lack of patients | 20:52 | |
| sgclark | most of my mail is on gmail, but it seems I have an old email set for my blog : / | 20:54 |
| clivejo | do you have access to the host database? | 20:54 |
| sgclark | and I just discovered a bunch of mails, like important ones : / | 20:54 |
| sgclark | yes | 20:55 |
| renee__ | just curious if I may ask where is your blog to find? Like to read what you've written so far :) | 20:56 |
| sgclark | not till I fix my last post. haha. It was written under duress | 20:56 |
| soee | :-) | 20:57 |
| renee__ | ahh :) | 20:57 |
| renee__ | I'll try to wait patiently ;-) | 20:57 |
| * clivejo offers renee__ a finger puzzle | 21:00 | |
| renee__ | hehe tapping impatiently ondesk -> throwing puzle out of window....... | 21:04 |
| * clivejo gasps in shock | 21:11 | |
| * sgclark mutters things about kmail. Still waiting... | 21:12 | |
| * renee__ supressing urge to search for .... ;-) | 21:13 | |
| sgclark | 65% | 21:13 |
| * sgclark goes to get coffee to stay awake waiting | 21:13 | |
| clivejo | soee: does plasma 5.6.4 work on FW5.21? | 21:16 |
| soee | clivejo: yes | 21:16 |
| sgclark | omg it just restarted at 0% no new mail shown. | 21:17 |
| soee | it was released after 5.6 so for sure, only 5.X should have some min version defined | 21:18 |
| clivejo | and the gateway ping timeout patch, what version is it fixed in? | 21:18 |
| soee | what patch? | 21:19 |
| clivejo | has the to networkmanager-qt | 21:19 |
| soee | ConnectionSettings: Initialize gateway ping timeout | 21:20 |
| soee | ? | 21:20 |
| soee | https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.21.0.php | 21:20 |
| clivejo | so its in 5.21? | 21:20 |
| soee | yes it is on changelog list | 21:20 |
| renee__ | have to go (not working still needed in healthcare) will be back tomorow to be an annoing volunteer for sgclark :D | 21:22 |
| renee__ | bye all | 21:22 |
| soee | bye | 21:23 |
| clivejo | soee: do you have pigeons? | 21:42 |
| soee | nope, my father does ;) | 21:43 |
| clivejo | you should become a pigeon fancier too | 21:43 |
| clivejo | and you can download oxygen-icons5 onto an micro sd card and fly it to me | 21:44 |
| clivejo | Ill package it and sign it and fly it back to you for upload | 21:45 |
| soee | clivejo: why can't you download it ? | 22:02 |
| sgclark | ok thunderbird to the rescue. scarlettgatelyclark.com post updated. | 22:08 |
| clivejo | soee: Im trying! | 22:10 |
| clivejo | just soooooo slow | 22:10 |
| soee | why? connection or source server issue? | 22:12 |
| sgclark | that package is massive in size | 22:12 |
| sgclark | even brings my net to its knees | 22:12 |
| soee | why don' you build it on some remote VPS? | 22:13 |
| soee | this way all you have to do is to connect to server and download sources on it and there usually you have ultra fast connections | 22:14 |
| sgclark | I cannot pay my bills much less purchase said VPS haha | 22:14 |
| sgclark | hense recent events | 22:14 |
| soee | sgclark: but cant Canonical or Kubuntu or KDE sponsor one ? | 22:15 |
| sgclark | dunno | 22:15 |
| soee | Jonahan was using some aws when was sowing how to build stuff | 22:15 |
| sgclark | yes I think he used Kubuntu donations for that | 22:15 |
| sgclark | need to ask our council | 22:15 |
| sgclark | of which I am not :) | 22:16 |
| soee | why not ? :D | 22:16 |
| sgclark | was a conflict, when our voting took place I was nominated for UCC | 22:16 |
| soee | :/ | 22:17 |
| sgclark | clivejo: is the plasma to test only for yakkety? | 22:18 |
| clivejo | sgclark: kind of | 22:18 |
| clivejo | having issues with networkmanager-qt | 22:18 |
| sgclark | boo. not brave enough to upgrade. | 22:18 |
| clivejo | in xenial | 22:18 |
| clivejo | Im currently "trying" to backport frameworks 5.22 | 22:19 |
| sgclark | ok | 22:19 |
| sgclark | I will carry on with applications. | 22:19 |
| clivejo | but this oxygen-icons package seems to die on my connection :( | 22:19 |
| sgclark | yeah it kills mine too | 22:20 |
| clivejo | took 3 attempts to download it | 22:20 |
| clivejo | and it seems to refuse to upload | 22:20 |
| clivejo | Ive told it to use sftp | 22:20 |
| clivejo | but it seems to be ignoring me | 22:20 |
| clivejo | does your upload fail on the last few k? | 22:21 |
| sgclark | yes | 22:21 |
| clivejo | do you know why is does that? | 22:21 |
| sgclark | not enough bandwith. I litt=erally have to unplugging computers so it can finish lol | 22:22 |
| sgclark | err literally | 22:22 |
| clivejo | what speed is your connection? | 22:23 |
| sgclark | suppose to be 50MB , I am pretty sure it is a sack of lies | 22:25 |
| clivejo | wow | 22:25 |
| clivejo | mine is supposed to be 8 | 22:25 |
| clivejo | but its heavily throttled in the evenings | 22:25 |
| sgclark | yeah this is cable, so when it is prime, my speeds tank | 22:26 |
| sgclark | that is why I held a euro sleep schedule for so long, to get good speeds :) | 22:26 |
| valorie | I think that would be an excellent use of Kubuntu funds | 22:28 |
| clivejo | if this fails again Im giving up | 22:28 |
| valorie | AWS or whatever is useful, for anyone packaging, or learning to package | 22:28 |
| valorie | as long as people remember to turn them off when they're done with 'em | 22:29 |
| valorie | I'll ask Jon how he managed the billing and propose to the KC | 22:30 |
| clivejo | dont we still have to sign them locally? | 22:30 |
| sgclark | just the dsc and changes | 22:30 |
| clivejo | yup, failed again | 22:30 |
| clivejo | 227800k/227801k | 22:30 |
| sgclark | no need to bring down the sources | 22:30 |
| clivejo | this is so annoying | 22:30 |
| soee | valorie: i would first try to ask some providers like Digital Ocean, Linode, Vultr to sponsor 1-2 for us | 22:32 |
| clivejo | DO did give us an allowance | 22:33 |
| soee | and we are not using it ? | 22:33 |
| clivejo | dunno, Rick was in those talks | 22:33 |
| clivejo | there was a trello card | 22:34 |
| clivejo | https://trello.com/c/TT7TTgJ1 | 22:34 |
| clivejo | first comment "We have the opportunity of $480 of Digital Ocean hosting." | 22:36 |
| valorie | free/sponsored is awesome! | 22:36 |
| valorie | we need some details about how to make use of that, however | 22:36 |
| clivejo | Im not sure if its still on the table | 22:36 |
| valorie | esp. when a new packager and an experienced person are both connected | 22:37 |
| * clivejo retries oxygen-icons5_5.22.0.orig.tar.xz with sftp | 22:37 | |
| soee | valorie: i woudl first go with getting those and use them by clivejo for example | 22:39 |
| clivejo | I dunno how you would manage them though | 22:39 |
| clivejo | ie who you give access to the dashboard to spin a droplet up etc | 22:40 |
| soee | for those who use it | 22:40 |
| clivejo | oh my ISP must be listening to my complaints | 22:40 |
| soee | you can prepare environemtn, take a snapshot with ready to use one | 22:41 |
| clivejo | seem to have got a speed boost all of a sudden! | 22:41 |
| valorie | yay! | 22:41 |
| soee | when if something goes wrong, fil just restore snapshot | 22:41 |
| valorie | Kubuntu Developers would all have access IMO | 22:41 |
| clivejo | I dunno, I just feel more comfortable packaging on my own machine | 22:41 |
| soee | yup | 22:41 |
| valorie | and then grant access to learners on a case by case basis | 22:42 |
| valorie | not everyone has good reliable connections, so aws etc. can be a godsend | 22:42 |
| soee | clivejo: maybe but with VPS you dont care much about your network speed | 22:43 |
| sgclark | uh kde-spectacle want libkscreen | 22:43 |
| valorie | and for complicated stuff, working with an experienced devel can speed up learning | 22:43 |
| clivejo | libkscreen7? | 22:43 |
| soee | clivejo: i have my own VPS for gitlab, and updating it (270 MB package to download) taks few seconds :) | 22:44 |
| clivejo | sgclark: maybe copy over few of frameworks 5.22 to get it to build? | 22:44 |
| sgclark | gonna hafta | 22:44 |
| clivejo | soee: yes I know, but I a packaging "tool kit" locally that I like to use | 22:45 |
| soee | :-) | 22:45 |
| * clivejo face palms | 22:47 | |
| clivejo | Im so stupid! | 22:47 |
| mhall119 | sgclark: Jonathan has regularly requested community donation money to pay for AWS services, I think for build servers | 22:47 |
| soee | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E | 22:47 |
| mhall119 | and those were always approved | 22:47 |
| sgclark | ah ha | 22:47 |
| sgclark | valorie: ^^ | 22:47 |
| sgclark | thanks mhall119 | 22:48 |
| * clivejo pressed Ctrl-C in terminal trying to copy the upload progress | 22:48 | |
| soee | ;o | 22:48 |
| * clivejo breaks down | 22:48 | |
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| mhall119 | sgclark: no problem | 22:49 |
| valorie | mhall119: cool, didn't know that | 22:50 |
| mhall119 | I can go back and lookup how much it was if you'd like, but it'll have to wait until later as I'm at a conference that's just ending | 22:50 |
| ahoneybun | mhall119 linode sponsored SELF and they have great rates | 22:51 |
| ahoneybun | 10 bucks is their low tier | 22:51 |
| ahoneybun | but I pay 12 something with backup | 22:51 |
| valorie | I don't think that's important -- we'll just have to decide who has a credit card that can take the hit, and whether or not that person will do it and regularly request the funds | 22:52 |
| mhall119 | pretty much any reasonable request for that kind of thing is likely to be approved | 22:52 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: what kind of specs? | 22:52 |
| * DarinMiller laughing, but relating to clivejo.... | 22:52 | |
| mhall119 | in the long run, marcoceppi is trying to start something where canonical will directly pay for some public-cloud hosting if you're using Juju | 22:52 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo https://www.linode.com/pricing | 22:52 |
| ahoneybun | the 1GB option | 22:52 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: you know what I did? | 22:53 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: would be even better if they donated some to us! | 22:53 |
| * valorie uses linode | 22:53 | |
| * DarinMiller I assumed you canceled your download instead of copying it... | 22:53 | |
| mhall119 | Digital Ocean may donate some, they've been doing that for other foss projects | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | for sure valorie let me see if I get a email | 22:53 |
| mhall119 | I can ask someone there if you'd like | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | if not I might see them at SELF | 22:53 |
| clivejo | CPU would be the most useful resource | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | their speeds are FAST | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | to me | 22:54 |
| clivejo | DarinMiller: yes, killed the entire script! | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | 600 BPS | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun | crazy | 22:54 |
| soee | !schedule yakkety | 22:55 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about schedule yakkety | 22:55 |
| clivejo | soee: that bot lies! | 22:56 |
| clivejo | dont believe a word it says! | 22:56 |
| soee | why would he :> | 22:56 |
| clivejo | probably becoming self aware | 22:57 |
| clivejo | an attempt at humour | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | clivejo they have kernel 4.5 built for 14.04 | 22:57 |
| soee | !smile | 22:57 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about smile | 22:57 |
| soee | !hal | 22:57 |
| ubottu | hal is in the process of being deprecated. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer for more info. | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | !htop | 22:57 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about htop | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | !info htop | 22:58 |
| ubottu | htop (source: htop): interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1 (yakkety), package size 79 kB, installed size 208 kB | 22:58 |
| clivejo | does anyone else have this bad habbit of ctrl-c from windows days? | 22:59 |
| ahoneybun | no I use both but know which one to use where XD | 22:59 |
| clivejo | I wonder can konsole be configured to not kill on ctrl-c | 23:00 |
| ahoneybun | not sure | 23:00 |
| clivejo | its not the first time Ive done that | 23:02 |
| clivejo | ahoneybun: can you put a timer on Linode? | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun | timer? | 23:05 |
| clivejo | to shut it down after a period of inactivity | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun | should be easy to script that | 23:06 |
| valorie | even when it is inactive they bill you though | 23:06 |
| valorie | says their FAQ | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun | if you destroy it they don't | 23:07 |
| clivejo | valorie: yeah, but if there was a script running that would shut it down when not in use | 23:07 |
| clivejo | we could go for a higher spec but only run it when needed | 23:08 |
| clivejo | it would only be used a few hours Id reckon | 23:08 |
| clivejo | log in, do your business and shut it down again | 23:09 |
| valorie | cool | 23:19 |
| valorie | I'd like the Kubuntu Developers to decide what they would find useful, and then we the KC will make that happen one way or another | 23:20 |
| valorie | and I'd like more KDevels! | 23:21 |
| * valorie looks at clivejo | 23:21 | |
| clivejo | what?!? | 23:21 |
| clivejo | what have I done now?!? | 23:21 |
| valorie | a lot of good stuff! | 23:22 |
| valorie | so you should apply to be a kubuntu developer | 23:22 |
| valorie | I saw that Philip said ya should | 23:22 |
| valorie | :-) | 23:22 |
| clivejo | he was joking! | 23:22 |
| valorie | I don't think so | 23:23 |
| valorie | what do you think, sgclark? | 23:23 |
| soee | DO bills for droplets all the time utill they are destoryed | 23:25 |
| soee | Linux 4.6 Kernel Officially Released | 23:26 |
| soee | Frameworks 5.22 released | 23:27 |
| soee | https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.22.0.php | 23:27 |
| sgclark | I think, no I know clivejo should be a kubuntu developer | 23:29 |
| sgclark | valorie: ^ | 23:29 |
| soee | valorie: could you take care of this vps, refounds etc. stuff | 23:37 |
| soee | ? | 23:37 |
| clivejo | soee: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_xenial.html | 23:44 |
| soee | +1 :] | 23:45 |
| clivejo | up to Launchpad now | 23:46 |
| valorie | soee: I would like the KDs to ask for what seems useful, and I'll find a way | 23:47 |
| DarinMiller | Why is there a plasma-framework 5.21 in the frameworks 5.22 packages? | 23:47 |
| clivejo | they are in the same PPA | 23:48 |
| DarinMiller | This packaging stuff still continues to spin me in circles. | 23:48 |
| clivejo | as I upload the 5.22 packages and they start to build the status page will slowly update | 23:48 |
| DarinMiller | So the 5.21 stuff will disappear? | 23:49 |
| clivejo | that page is just a tool to help us locate problems easier | 23:49 |
| clivejo | yes | 23:49 |
| clivejo | 5.22 overwites the older packages | 23:49 |
| DarinMiller | I would have expect the 5.21 stuff to be blue, not red. | 23:50 |
| clivejo | because the status page is displaying 5.22 issues | 23:51 |
| clivejo | the fact a 5.21 package is there is an issue to it | 23:51 |
| clivejo | so it flags it up as a problem | 23:51 |
| DarinMiller | OK. I need see/help with the process all the way thru and learn to fix the problems. | 23:52 |
| clivejo | the link at the top takes you to the actual PPA | 23:52 |
| clivejo | that page is updated every 5 mins | 23:53 |
| clivejo | but LP is very slow at publishing packages | 23:53 |
| soee | clivejo: btw. regarding FW support by Plasma | 23:54 |
| soee | i think i once asked about it on #plasma and they said that this info is in cmake file contained | 23:55 |
| clivejo | soee: seeing FW5.22 is working in Yakkety, its probably best to use it as the base for plasma 5.6.4 | 23:56 |
| clivejo | I’ve bumped all the FW dependencies so its easier this way | 23:56 |
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