[02:21] <ahoneybun> we have 5.6.4 out?
[04:08] <barmaley> how do I test it?
[04:08] <barmaley> 5.6.4
[04:09] <barmaley> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945
[04:12] <barmaley> gimme les links!!1
[07:42] <renee77> morning :)
[08:28] <crissi-> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 => how i can help?
[08:36] <renee77> haven't seen one awake crissi
[08:37] <Crissi> :-D
[08:38] <renee77> not sure what status is with testing :)
[08:38] <renee77> do you know clivejo?
[08:39] <Crissi> not yet
[08:40] <acheron88> unless you are running yakkety and have a system or VM that you don't mind risking a high chance of breaking, then I don't think testing those packages from staging is wise 
[08:42] <acheron88> clivejo, said yesterday "clivejo isnt very happy about people testing from staging PPA's"
[08:42] <Crissi> sure, can setup a vm of 16.04
[08:42] <renee77> lol I know he was also talking to me
[08:42] <acheron88> so I think that testing message on kubuntu wire was jumping the gun a bit on those packages
[08:43] <Crissi> i think you should know what you are doing when you do testing ;)
[08:43] <acheron88> if you do and cam fix breakages, then good
[09:10] <Crissi> btw: is the issue with missing kipi plugins on gwenview fixed?
[09:16] <renee77> I am not a good reference but if I understood correctly you have to remove ald lib libkf5kipi to make plugins work with new lib
[10:05] <mparillo> I think clivejo was talking about me.
[10:06] <mparillo> Yes, I was testing 5.6.4 out of staging, and I was so excited I put out the wire post.
[10:07] <renee77> :)
[10:07] <mparillo> For me (only in a YY VM) it basically works so long as you do not absolutely need to auto-hide the panel.
[10:08] <mparillo> And I had to run ksnapshot to capture the kinfocenter shot
[10:08] <renee77> I am not there yet first hardware firmware update then vm and also going to test :)
[10:09] <mparillo> All is proceeding as I have forseen
[10:10] <mparillo> misquote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q
[10:12] <renee77> ha ha ha ha!
[10:12] <mparillo> Seriously, It is good to get some positive excitement about Kubuntu and yes, I recommend you only test in a VM, and last, if the devels do not want to answer because it is too early (they prefer testing from landing), blame me and not them.
[10:15] <renee77> I did not blame anyone was having some problems with wireless and lts where also after fresh again ppa staging was selected
[10:15] <renee77> used partition magic to shred hdd and ssd
[10:16] <renee77> but really dont mind getting in to trouble it is the way I learn fastest :D
[10:17] <renee77> ment fresh install :)
[10:54] <clivejo> mparillo: not at all, Im running from staging too!  But you have to understand the risks and never use it on a production system
[10:55] <clivejo> we just don’t have the people power to help fix systems broken by using inappropriate PPA's
[10:56] <clivejo> my call for testers was to actually test if the packages installed sucussful!  
[10:57] <clivejo> following the headache of the kde-l10n conflicts
[11:00] <mparillo> Well in my case, not only was the installation successful, except for the panel thing, and possibly the 'extra' activities (I will re-test both on real hardware when they move to -landing), I think Plasma 5.6.4 is great. And as you note, kde-spectacle is not part of plasma. Though maybe the big SC code-drops had their purpose.
[11:16] <acheron88> working nicely in a VM here. 
[11:17] <clivejo> can anyone shed any light on the networkmanager problem in Xenial?
[11:18] <allee> clivejo: bug#?   FWIW: DHCP is working for me.  Only adding a static IP setup failed.
[11:19] <allee> clivejo: FYI: yy upgrade 5,21,5.6.3 -> 5.22,5.6.4  in a VM without problem!    Great job!
[11:19]  * allee hugs clivejo
[11:20] <clivejo> allee: it started as one bug, but has kinda grown!
[11:22] <allee> uh, family wants my attention.  I'll have a look later, if someone lemme know what/where to start bug hunting
[11:22] <clivejo> Bug 1569674
[11:23] <acheron88> wifi fine here in xenial
[11:24] <clivejo> what version network manager you got installed?
[11:25] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[11:26] <allee> clivejo: wifi & DHCP & VPN(cisco) works at home and at work
[11:26] <acheron88>  1.1.93-0ubuntu4
[11:27] <clivejo> thats the one I made the patch for
[11:27] <clivejo> the problem is the 1.2.0 release currently in proposed
[11:28] <acheron88> I don't install from proposed on a released distro, unless it specifically has something with a fix I need.
[11:30] <allee> clivejo: yeah.  Creating a Static IP setup failed for me too with nm in xx  release.  I'll can try proposed later
[11:30]  * allee afk
[11:31] <acheron88> oh well. what I have works so I'm not messing with it ;)
[11:31] <clivejo> if you are on networkmanager 1.1.93 the networkmanager-qt package in my PPA should fix that problem
[11:32] <clivejo> but if you have nm 1.2 then all hell breaks loose and you will probably kill plasma-nm altogether
[11:33] <acheron88> is this specifically plasma/qt-nm prob?
[11:33] <clivejo> nm-qt seems to be a wrapper for nm
[11:35] <clivejo> yofel tried to upload the patch but nm 1.2 is sitting in Xenial proposed
[11:37] <acheron88> so it's nm itself? i.e. the nm-applet from xfce4 would also do the same?
[11:38] <clivejo> I dunno
[11:38] <acheron88> just asking, as I sometimes use that, even in plasma.
[11:38] <clivejo> Xenial shipped with this bug
[11:38] <acheron88> must have been lucky not to hit it then
[11:38] <clivejo> mainly affected people with VPN's
[11:39] <renee77> I didnt have VPN
[11:40] <clivejo> the main problem, in my opinion is that Xenial shipped with a beta of NM
[11:41] <clivejo> version 1.1.93 is not a version that should be in an LTS!
[11:41] <clivejo> someone has spotted that and packaged 1.2 and uploaded it to proposed
[11:41] <acheron88> lucky they spin new isos for the LTS point releases then!
[11:41] <acheron88> assuming fixed by then...
[11:42] <clivejo>  giving us 1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2
[11:56] <thefarid> hi
[11:57] <thefarid> kubuntu is sutable for 2 gb ram or 1 GHz processor
[11:58] <thefarid> AMD process
[13:01] <soee_> preo/
[13:29] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hoho
 *hiho
[14:00] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  just upgraded ..already there, 5.6.4 plasma version
[14:01] <mparillo> BluesKaj: You used -staging on YY?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> any fixes to the activities and nvidia driver problem is that a kernel issue.? Yess YY
[14:02] <BluesKaj> or
[14:04] <BluesKaj> using a low level setting for my desktop,  Xrender , no activities etc
[14:04] <mparillo> Activities seemed to work for me. I noticed a number (maybe six) stopped activities. I do miss in Plasma 4 the various activity templates. I do not know about driver problems. I test -staging in a VM. I will try on HW when they hit -landing
[14:05] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  what's your gpu?
[14:08] <renee77> graphical procces unit BluesKaj
[14:08] <renee77> processor
[14:08] <renee77> not proces
[14:11] <BluesKaj> renee77:  graphics processer unit
[14:15] <ahoneybun> clivejo I have to be on YY to get 5.6.4?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> the ppa is available for Xenial too, ahoneybun
[14:16] <ahoneybun> oh yea BluesKaj ?
 Yes Arron
[14:17] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[14:17] <ahoneybun> do I need to disable my graphics ppa?
 5.6.4 is only done for yakkety
[14:18] <ahoneybun> 5.6.3 is in there
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ahh
 Yes 5.6.3
[14:18] <BluesKaj> sorry for the mistake, ahoneybun
 But not 5.6.4
[14:18] <ahoneybun> 5.6 was a big update the .3 is minor update
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yeah
[14:18] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj just one point off lol
[14:19] <ahoneybun> clivejo do I need to disable my graphics ppa?
[14:19] <ahoneybun> I'm using NVIDIA
 I dont know
[14:19] <BluesKaj> well 5.6.4 fixes some problems with activities I believe
 Yakkety has some issues with kernel at the monent
[14:20] <ahoneybun> my issues are with the launcher and text disappearing
[14:20] <ahoneybun> switching launchers causes favorites to reset 
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun:  same here I'm reluctant to try the nvidia proprietary driver tho ...nouveau seems to be working well here
[14:20] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj I was tempted to format this thing anyway
[14:21] <ahoneybun> but I've downloaded a few games
 I lost plasma for a few days
[14:21] <ahoneybun> also was going to give GNOME a try
[14:21] <ahoneybun> for the heck of it
[14:21] <BluesKaj> eeuew
 Due to nvidia not being able to compile the module
[14:23] <BluesKaj> the IrcsomeBot on 4.4.0-21 ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> kernel that is
[14:27] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.2-1-ga58eab7 * Pino Toscano: src/package.cpp
[14:27] <pursuivant> include <random> for std::default_random_engine
[14:27] <pursuivant> apparently it was implicitly pulled by other (apt?) headers
[14:27] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a58eab74ee9881d10e0f24a3ed216ed71ba03bf5
[14:34] <marco-parillo> I am not sure what my GPU is (I suppose VMware must emulate one), but I do know since I "upgraded" to VMware Workstation Player 12 (from VMware Player 9, I think), I have been able to crash my VM when I never could before. I prevent 90% of those crashes by turning off 3D rendering, which I never had to do before.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> nope the the nvidia prop driver isn't up to screen resolution capablity on this monitor, so the kernel module isn't patched yet
[14:53] <ahoneybun> I'm tempted to try it
[14:53] <ahoneybun> I just would need to purge that graphics ppa and upgrade
[14:55] <BluesKaj> that'sw hat I just did , your gpu may worj , my entry level 8400GS /340 driver isn't up to the task yet
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun: ^
[14:55] <BluesKaj> work even
[14:55] <ahoneybun> I have a GT 750M
[14:55] <ahoneybun> with 364.19 now
[14:56] <BluesKaj> nice 
[14:56] <ahoneybun> yet have issues playing Tomb Raider lol
[14:56] <BluesKaj> maybe my card is on the verge of the "legacy" classification
[15:30] <ahoneybun> clivejo do I need any other PPAs other then staging?
[15:31] <clivejo> ahoneybun: for what?
[15:31] <ahoneybun> testing Plasma 5.6.3
[15:31] <ahoneybun> from Staging
[15:32] <clivejo> no, I copied frameworks across, so they should all be in there
[15:32] <ahoneybun> holy... 244 package to update
[15:33] <ahoneybun> here we go
[15:36] <ahoneybun> alright rebooting
[15:37] <clivejo> that was fast
[15:37] <ahoneybun> yea decent speeds and a SSD
[15:37] <clivejo> takes me hours to update :(
[15:37] <mamarley> You should get an SSD. :)
[15:37] <clivejo> I have an SSD
[15:38] <mamarley> Oh
[15:38] <ahoneybun> internet speeds
[15:38] <clivejo> its my internet thats slow
[15:38] <mamarley> Sorry :(
[15:38] <clivejo> carrier pigeons fitted with micro sd-cards would be faster, more reliable!
[15:38] <ahoneybun> mm the login got the new wallpaper but not the loading bar
[15:39] <ahoneybun> mm About System says I'm on 5.5.5
[15:40] <clivejo> then you mustnt have got it properly
[15:40] <clivejo> there can be file conflicts
[15:40] <ahoneybun> what is that command to check the version in konsole
[15:41] <clivejo> did you check the install went ok?
[15:41] <DarinMiller> OK this is weird, I have 2 YY bare metal installs with 5.6.4 where the panel autohide/window can cover work just fine. 
[15:41] <ahoneybun> mm need to do a dist-upgrade
[15:41] <DarinMiller> In fact, everything but oxygen icons work great.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> not sure why those are even on the system anymore
[15:42] <ahoneybun> I think krunner got the update lol
[15:42] <clivejo> DarinMiller: that is odd
[15:42] <DarinMiller> On Arch, 5.6.4 still suffers from the autohide issue.
[15:43] <ahoneybun> dist-upgrade is going slower then upgrade
[15:44] <DarinMiller> Can anyone give me hint on how to install mamarley's nvidia340 driver on YY?
[15:44] <clivejo> probably beacuse its actually installing files :P
[15:44] <ahoneybun> it did before
[15:44] <mamarley> DarinMiller: Just add ppa:mamarley/staging.
[15:44] <ahoneybun> I saw packages being replaced
[15:44] <ahoneybun> just my speeds are slow now
[15:45] <mamarley> But make sure you disable it once the package gets moved to the main PPA since I upload stuff there for testing sometimes.
[15:45] <clivejo> DarinMiller: add his magic PPA
[15:46] <clivejo> has anyone on Yakkety had the networking problems Xenial has seen?
[15:47] <clivejo> !info networkmanager
[15:47] <clivejo> ubottu you lie !!
[15:47] <ahoneybun> !info pa-nm
[15:47] <DarinMiller> As in the Pre-release XX option that corrupts the plasma nw icon?
[15:48] <ahoneybun> it is something like nm
[15:48] <clivejo> DarinMiller: yes
[15:49] <clivejo> there is a version on proposed1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2
[15:49] <clivejo> seems to be causing a lot of problems
[15:50] <clivejo> but I havent noticed anything wrong in Yakkety
[15:51] <DarinMiller> Both my YY boxes are working fine, however my XX session is dorked.  Attempting to revert the XX session want to remove the entire KDE envioro and/or install a whole bunch of gnome stuff.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, nvidia gpu driver?
[15:54] <DarinMiller> yes, nvdia760 364.19
[15:54] <clivejo> I wonder if I backported network-manager 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 from Yakkety into frameworks staging would that get me a stable base to build FW5.22 on
[15:55] <BluesKaj> purge it if it's causing probs, the kernel module doesn't build properly for the 4.4.0-21 kernel, DarinMiller
[15:55] <DarinMiller> I can easliy work around the nm issue, but everytime after wake or reboot, I have to use: nmcli --ask -p con up "Millers_5G" ifname wlp3s0
[15:56] <DarinMiller> I tried sudo ppa-purge xenial-proposed, but that did not work.
[15:57] <DarinMiller> FIles fail to dl, and warning message says:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[15:57] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I installed nm-gnome to enter my vpn settings and nmcli workwed well for connecting 
[15:58] <BluesKaj> purgew the nvidia driver is my suggestion DarinMiller
[15:59] <DarinMiller> purge nvdia driver on XX to fix the nm issue?
[15:59] <DarinMiller> mamarley: you are a genious, your ppa worked awesome.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> clivejo, but there's a fix for nm in the repos ..it woked on my laptop after upgrading
[16:00] <mamarley> Not really, I just applied a quick patch to get the driver to compile against 4.6.
[16:00] <ahoneybun> alright
[16:00] <ahoneybun> on Plasma 5.6.3
[16:00] <ahoneybun> Frameworks 5.21
[16:00] <ahoneybun> Qt 5.5.1
[16:01] <BluesKaj> mamarley,on YY?
[16:01] <clivejo> ahoneybun: sounds better
[16:01] <ahoneybun> yep
[16:01] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Xenial and Yakkety.  DKMS applies the patch only if you are running 4.6, so it works fine on Xenial too.
[16:01] <ahoneybun> loads up much quieter
[16:01] <ahoneybun> *faster
[16:02] <clivejo> yeah, I noticed that with 5.6
[16:02] <ahoneybun> I get to the SDDM fast
[16:02] <ahoneybun> but loading took time 
[16:02] <ahoneybun> now faster!
[16:02] <DarinMiller> More clues with the autohide issue.  After installing mamarley ppa, the YY Nvidia340 box now suffers from the autohide.
[16:03] <clivejo> seems to be driver related
[16:03] <mamarley> 5.6 loads up really fast for me too.
[16:03] <mamarley> I would guess if it is driver-related, it is caused by the driver itself and not the packaging.
[16:03] <DarinMiller> My YY nvidia960 364.19 box works fine.  Will have to add these notes to the bug report...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> mamarley, odd I just tried to install nvidia-340 on YY with plasma 5.6.4 . the monitor resolution regreesedt o a much lower setting asfter a the reboot
[16:04] <mamarley> I can't explain that, sorry.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> correction:  regressed to a much lower resolution after the reboot
[16:05] <DarinMiller> I agree, not packaging issue.  Sound more of an NVidia driver/plasma issue.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> fails to build properly ... however the nouveau is all Ireally need for now , works fine
[16:18] <DarinMiller> ovidiuflorin is a genious, he posted the fix for nm XX Pre-release issue in the bug report  (sudo apt install libkf5networkmanagerqt6=5.18.0-0ubuntu1) for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674
[16:18] <DarinMiller> now my xx nm is back to normal, yes!
[16:19] <ahoneybun> so far running nice!
[16:19] <ahoneybun> mm some reason GDM is coming back
[16:19] <ahoneybun> suspend does work nice!
[16:20] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Nvidia card?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> yea
[16:20] <ahoneybun> GT 750M
[16:22] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Does panel autohide/window can cover work for you?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> autohide panel?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> oh those
[16:22] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Panel hamburger, more settings
[16:22] <ahoneybun> yea right
[16:23] <ahoneybun> both work
[16:24] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: my XX box with intel drivers, 5.6.3 autohide fails.  With YY I have mixed results, on Nvidia box works, the other does not.
[16:25] <ahoneybun> weird
[16:26] <ahoneybun> I do have an intel built in 
[16:32] <ahoneybun> mm switching to intel ..
[16:32] <ahoneybun> just trying to log out caused a lock up
[16:33] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller both work fine on my intel card
[16:39] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Good to know, I will update my xx Nvidia box to 5.6.3 and see what happens....
[16:39] <ahoneybun> I'm on 364.19 as well 
[16:39] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: do you use prime-select to switch cards?
[16:39] <ahoneybun> the nvidia app
[16:40] <ahoneybun> I never remember the commands
[16:40] <ahoneybun> though I should if I lock up again
[16:40] <DarinMiller> I think thats the same... but good to know..
[16:54] <DarinMiller> Cool. My skylake laptop can now finally switch between NVidia and Intel!  (YY, 364.19, kernel 4.5 rc-7)  Yes!
[17:01] <DarinMiller> XX upgrade to 5.6.3 was painless on the XX box.  Panel " window can cover" works fine!!!????
[17:02] <clivejo> DarinMiller: no file conflict errors?
[17:06] <DarinMiller> clivejo: no file conflict errors that I noticed.  Where should I be looking?
[17:06] <clivejo> when installing the packages
[17:07] <clivejo> kcm_activities.mo
[17:07] <DarinMiller> Nope. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma followed by sudo apt update followed by sudo apt full-upgrade.  No errors or issues.
[17:08] <DarinMiller> I restarted plasmashell (killall plasmashell && plasmashell &) and 5.6.3 was active.  Seemed to easy so I rebooted just to be sure.  No problems.
[17:10] <DarinMiller> Activities are working fine
[17:10] <DarinMiller> meta-tab switch no problem
[17:12] <DarinMiller> The desktop hamburger menu auto disappears, but this has been an issue since KDE4...
[17:15] <DarinMiller> If I use System Settings -> Desktop Behavior to manage my activities I don't have to fight the deskop hamburger autoclose menu issue.
[17:40]  * clivejo giggles
[17:40] <clivejo> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/13/microsoft_phone_support_contractors_told_to_hang_up_after_15_minutes/
[17:45] <Mamarok> lol
 I must try that technique
[18:18] <soee> hiho :)
[18:18] <clivejo> hi soee
[18:21] <soee> clivejo: do we have this language problems solved ?
[18:21] <clivejo> not sure
[19:55] <renee__> hi all
[19:56] <renee__> now on daily no nm error
[19:56] <renee__> was it fixed?
[19:57] <DarinMiller> hi renee__, it's working for me too,  not sure where/how the fix landed.
[19:57] <renee__> Because I also did upgrade firmware of nw card 
[19:58] <renee__> what ppa is used for plasma 5.6.e?
[19:58] <renee__> j5.6.4
[19:59] <soee> plasma-staging
[19:59] <soee> renee__: ok YY ?
[19:59] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[20:00] <renee__> yep
[20:00] <renee__> thanks :)
[20:01] <DarinMiller> soee: plasma-staging 5.6.4 staging working great on 2 boxes here (one old, one new)
[20:01]  * clivejo likes 5.6.4 too
[20:02]  * soee waits for backports ..
[20:02]  * clivejo waits for 5.7
[20:04] <renee__> me too ;-)
[20:04] <DarinMiller> 5.7: 2016-06-30 (per https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5) What's in it?
[20:06] <renee__> ability to test and brick system ;-)
[20:09] <renee__> is there a testing page to fill in or just go for it?
[20:09] <clivejo> testing page?
[20:10] <renee__> were you keep track of functionality ?
[20:10] <clivejo> thats soee's job
[20:10] <renee__> in wiki refering to other page but not existing
[20:10] <clivejo> he tracks releases/features/bugs
[20:10] <renee__> ah ok
[20:11] <renee__> lol I thought every input would be welcome ;-)
[20:12] <clivejo> its is!
[20:12] <clivejo> but we need more people power!
[20:13] <clivejo> reading bug reports and triaging
[20:13] <clivejo> figuring out where the bug needs to be reported to, in order to get it fixed
[20:14] <clivejo> some bugs are Ubuntu, some are packaging issues and some are KDE source issues
[20:15] <renee__> ah I started reading but wasnt sure when I could adjust and assign bug requests I would like to start with triaging
[20:16] <renee__> Little bit scared to do it wrong
[20:16] <renee__> too
[20:16] <renee__> brb in 5 mins
[20:16] <clivejo> just ask :)
[20:26] <soee> :-)
[20:27] <soee> Telegram has snap package: https://uappexplorer.com/app/telegram-sergiusens.sergiusens
[20:28] <clivejo> License: Proprietary ?
[20:28] <clivejo> I thought Telegram was OS?
[20:30] <soee> OS ?
[20:31] <soee> ah open source
[20:31] <soee> uh dunno
[20:32] <soee> not fully OS
[20:32] <soee> https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything
[20:33] <ahoneybun> we don't have snap anyway
[20:33] <renee__> back :)
[20:34] <soee> clivejo: push the button called "backports" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8
[20:34] <renee__> lol
[20:34] <clivejo> I cant find that button soee
[20:35] <soee> :D
[20:35] <clivejo> where is it?
[20:43] <clivejo> soee: are you a kubuntu member?
[20:44] <soee> clivejo: no
[20:44] <clivejo> why not ?? :O
[20:45] <valorie> o/ folks
[20:45] <soee> well i do nothing important for Kubuntu, annoying others only :D 
[20:46] <clivejo> hi valorie
[20:46] <soee> hi valorie \o
[20:46] <valorie> home from the cabin, cat fed, wash machine fed, happy to be home
[20:46] <clivejo> soee: you should help out
[20:47] <sgclark> hey all I am trying to fix my blog to be less cranky. technical difficulties has arisen though
[20:47] <valorie> soee: the info you feed us is valuable!
[20:48] <soee> sgclark: what happend?
[20:48] <sgclark> which part? being cranky or technical difficulties? lol
[20:48] <soee> technical stuff :-)
[20:49] <sgclark> I forgot my password it seems and kmail is taking three years to load mail. guess I should finish packaging that.
[20:50]  * clivejo can understand the kmail issue
[20:50] <clivejo> the mysql upgrade really messed kontact up for me
[20:50] <sgclark> same'
[20:51] <clivejo> Ive had to swap to webmail for my accounts :(
[20:51] <soee> sorry cant help much here, i'm using Thunderbird 
[20:52] <clivejo> just cant afford to waste time waiting on Kontact to load mail
[20:52]  * clivejo suffers from lack of patients
[20:54] <sgclark> most of my mail is on gmail, but it seems I have an old email set for my blog : /
[20:54] <clivejo> do you have access to the host database?
[20:54] <sgclark> and I just discovered a bunch of mails, like important ones : /
[20:55] <sgclark> yes
[20:56] <renee__> just curious if I may ask where is your blog to find? Like to read what you've written so far :)
[20:56] <sgclark> not till I fix my last post. haha. It was written under duress
[20:57] <soee> :-)
[20:57] <renee__> ahh :)
[20:57] <renee__> I'll try to wait patiently ;-)
[21:00]  * clivejo offers renee__ a finger puzzle
[21:04] <renee__> hehe tapping impatiently ondesk -> throwing puzle out of window....... 
[21:11]  * clivejo gasps in shock
[21:12]  * sgclark mutters things about kmail. Still waiting...
[21:13]  * renee__ supressing urge to search for .... ;-)
[21:13] <sgclark> 65%
[21:13]  * sgclark goes to get coffee to stay awake waiting
[21:16] <clivejo> soee: does plasma 5.6.4 work on FW5.21?
[21:16] <soee> clivejo: yes
[21:17] <sgclark> omg it just restarted at 0% no new mail shown.
[21:18] <soee> it was released after 5.6 so for sure, only 5.X should have some min version defined
[21:18] <clivejo> and the gateway ping timeout patch, what version is it fixed in?
[21:19] <soee> what patch?
[21:19] <clivejo> has the to networkmanager-qt
[21:20] <soee> ConnectionSettings: Initialize gateway ping timeout 
[21:20] <soee> ?
[21:20] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.21.0.php
[21:20] <clivejo> so its in 5.21?
[21:20] <soee> yes it is on changelog list
[21:22] <renee__> have to go (not working still needed in healthcare) will be back tomorow to be an annoing volunteer for sgclark :D
[21:22] <renee__> bye all
[21:23] <soee> bye
[21:42] <clivejo> soee: do you have pigeons?
[21:43] <soee> nope, my father does ;)
[21:43] <clivejo> you should become a pigeon fancier too
[21:44] <clivejo> and you can download oxygen-icons5 onto an micro sd card and fly it to me
[21:45] <clivejo> Ill package it and sign it and fly it back to you for upload
[22:02] <soee> clivejo: why can't you download it ?
[22:08] <sgclark> ok thunderbird to the rescue. scarlettgatelyclark.com post updated.
[22:10] <clivejo> soee: Im trying!
[22:10] <clivejo> just soooooo slow
[22:12] <soee> why? connection or source server issue?
[22:12] <sgclark> that package is massive in size
[22:12] <sgclark> even brings my net to its knees
[22:13] <soee> why don' you build it on some remote VPS?
[22:14] <soee> this way all you have to do is to connect to server and download sources on it and there usually you have ultra fast connections
[22:14] <sgclark> I cannot pay my bills much less purchase said VPS haha
[22:14] <sgclark> hense recent events
[22:15] <soee> sgclark: but cant Canonical or Kubuntu or KDE sponsor one ?
[22:15] <sgclark> dunno
[22:15] <soee> Jonahan was using some aws when was sowing how to build stuff
[22:15] <sgclark> yes I think he used Kubuntu donations for that
[22:15] <sgclark> need to ask our council
[22:16] <sgclark> of which I am not :)
[22:16] <soee> why not ? :D
[22:16] <sgclark> was a conflict, when our voting took place I was nominated for UCC
[22:17] <soee> :/
[22:18] <sgclark> clivejo: is the plasma to test only for yakkety?
[22:18] <clivejo> sgclark: kind of
[22:18] <clivejo> having issues with networkmanager-qt
[22:18] <sgclark> boo. not brave enough to upgrade.
[22:18] <clivejo> in xenial
[22:19] <clivejo> Im currently "trying" to backport frameworks 5.22
[22:19] <sgclark> ok
[22:19] <sgclark> I will carry on with applications.
[22:19] <clivejo> but this oxygen-icons package seems to die on my connection :(
[22:20] <sgclark> yeah it kills mine too
[22:20] <clivejo> took 3 attempts to download it
[22:20] <clivejo> and it seems to refuse to upload
[22:20] <clivejo> Ive told it to use sftp
[22:20] <clivejo> but it seems to be ignoring me
[22:21] <clivejo> does your upload fail on the last few k?
[22:21] <sgclark> yes
[22:21] <clivejo> do you know why is does that?
[22:22] <sgclark> not enough bandwith. I litt=erally have to unplugging computers so it can finish lol
[22:22] <sgclark> err literally
[22:23] <clivejo> what speed is your connection?
[22:25] <sgclark> suppose to be 50MB , I am pretty sure it is a sack of lies
[22:25] <clivejo> wow
[22:25] <clivejo> mine is supposed to be 8
[22:25] <clivejo> but its heavily throttled in the evenings
[22:26] <sgclark> yeah this is cable, so when it is prime, my speeds tank
[22:26] <sgclark> that is why I held a euro sleep schedule for so long, to get good speeds :)
[22:28] <valorie> I think that would be an excellent use of Kubuntu funds
[22:28] <clivejo> if this fails again Im giving up
[22:28] <valorie> AWS or whatever is useful, for anyone packaging, or learning to package
[22:29] <valorie> as long as people remember to turn them off when they're done with 'em
[22:30] <valorie> I'll ask Jon how he managed the billing and propose to the KC
[22:30] <clivejo> dont we still have to sign them locally? 
[22:30] <sgclark> just the dsc and changes
[22:30] <clivejo> yup, failed again
[22:30] <clivejo> 227800k/227801k
[22:30] <sgclark> no need to bring down the sources
[22:30] <clivejo> this is so annoying
[22:32] <soee> valorie: i would first try to ask some providers like Digital Ocean, Linode, Vultr to sponsor 1-2 for us
[22:33] <clivejo> DO did give us an allowance
[22:33] <soee> and we are not using it ?
[22:33] <clivejo> dunno, Rick was in those talks
[22:34] <clivejo> there was a trello card
[22:34] <clivejo> https://trello.com/c/TT7TTgJ1
[22:36] <clivejo> first comment "We have the opportunity of $480 of Digital Ocean hosting."
[22:36] <valorie> free/sponsored is awesome!
[22:36] <valorie> we need some details about how to make use of that, however
[22:36] <clivejo> Im not sure if its still on the table
[22:37] <valorie> esp. when a new packager and an experienced person are both connected
[22:37]  * clivejo retries oxygen-icons5_5.22.0.orig.tar.xz with sftp
[22:39] <soee> valorie: i woudl first go with getting those and use them by clivejo for example
[22:39] <clivejo> I dunno how you would manage them though
[22:40] <clivejo> ie who you give access to the dashboard to spin a droplet up etc
[22:40] <soee> for those who use it
[22:40] <clivejo> oh my ISP must be listening to my complaints
[22:41] <soee> you can prepare environemtn, take a snapshot with ready to use one
[22:41] <clivejo> seem to have got a speed boost all of a sudden!
[22:41] <valorie> yay!
[22:41] <soee> when if something goes wrong, fil just restore snapshot
[22:41] <valorie> Kubuntu Developers would all have access IMO
[22:41] <clivejo> I dunno, I just feel more comfortable packaging on my own machine
[22:41] <soee> yup
[22:42] <valorie> and then grant access to learners on a case by case basis
[22:42] <valorie> not everyone has good reliable connections, so aws etc. can be a godsend
[22:43] <soee> clivejo: maybe but with VPS you dont care much about your network speed
[22:43] <sgclark> uh kde-spectacle want libkscreen
[22:43] <valorie> and for complicated stuff, working with an experienced devel can speed up learning
[22:43] <clivejo> libkscreen7?
[22:44] <soee> clivejo: i have my own VPS for gitlab, and updating it (270 MB package to download) taks few seconds :)
[22:44] <clivejo> sgclark: maybe copy over few of frameworks 5.22 to get it to build?
[22:44] <sgclark> gonna hafta
[22:45] <clivejo> soee: yes I know, but I a packaging "tool kit" locally that I like to use
[22:45] <soee> :-)
[22:47]  * clivejo face palms
[22:47] <clivejo> Im so stupid!
[22:47] <mhall119> sgclark: Jonathan has regularly requested community donation money to pay for AWS services, I think for build servers
[22:47] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E
[22:47] <mhall119> and those were always approved
[22:47] <sgclark> ah ha
[22:47] <sgclark> valorie: ^^
[22:48] <sgclark> thanks mhall119
[22:48]  * clivejo pressed Ctrl-C in terminal trying to copy the upload progress
[22:48] <soee> ;o
[22:48]  * clivejo breaks down
[22:49] <mhall119> sgclark: no problem
[22:50] <valorie> mhall119: cool, didn't know that
[22:50] <mhall119> I can go back and lookup how much it was if you'd like, but it'll have to wait until later as I'm at a conference that's just ending
[22:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119 linode sponsored SELF and they have great rates
[22:51] <ahoneybun> 10 bucks is their low tier
[22:51] <ahoneybun> but I pay 12 something with backup
[22:52] <valorie> I don't think that's important -- we'll just have to decide who has a credit card that can take the hit, and whether or not that person will do it and regularly request the funds
[22:52] <mhall119> pretty much any reasonable request for that kind of thing is likely to be approved
[22:52] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what kind of specs?
[22:52]  * DarinMiller laughing, but relating to clivejo....
[22:52] <mhall119> in the long run, marcoceppi is trying to start something where canonical will directly pay for some public-cloud hosting if you're using Juju
[22:52] <ahoneybun> clivejo https://www.linode.com/pricing
[22:52] <ahoneybun> the 1GB option
[22:53] <clivejo> DarinMiller: you know what I did?
[22:53] <valorie> ahoneybun: would be even better if they donated some to us!
[22:53]  * valorie uses linode
[22:53]  * DarinMiller I assumed you canceled your download instead of copying it...
[22:53] <mhall119> Digital Ocean may donate some, they've been doing that for other foss projects
[22:53] <ahoneybun> for sure valorie let me see if I get a email
[22:53] <mhall119> I can ask someone there if you'd like
[22:53] <ahoneybun> if not I might see them at SELF
[22:54] <clivejo> CPU would be the most useful resource
[22:54] <ahoneybun> their speeds are FAST
[22:54] <ahoneybun> to me
[22:54] <clivejo> DarinMiller: yes, killed the entire script!
[22:54] <ahoneybun> 600 BPS
[22:54] <ahoneybun> crazy
[22:55] <soee> !schedule yakkety
[22:56] <clivejo> soee: that bot lies!
[22:56] <clivejo> dont believe a word it says!
[22:56] <soee> why would he :>
[22:57] <clivejo> probably becoming self aware
[22:57] <clivejo> an attempt at humour
[22:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo they have kernel 4.5 built for 14.04
[22:57] <soee> !smile
[22:57] <soee> !hal
[22:57] <ahoneybun> !htop
[22:58] <ahoneybun> !info htop
[22:59] <clivejo> does anyone else have this bad habbit of ctrl-c from windows days?
[22:59] <ahoneybun> no I use both but know which one to use where XD
[23:00] <clivejo> I wonder can konsole be configured to not kill on ctrl-c
[23:00] <ahoneybun> not sure
[23:02] <clivejo> its not the first time Ive done that
[23:05] <clivejo> ahoneybun: can you put a timer on Linode?
[23:05] <ahoneybun> timer?
[23:06] <clivejo> to shut it down after a period of inactivity
[23:06] <ahoneybun> should be easy to script that
[23:06] <valorie> even when it is inactive they bill you though
[23:06] <valorie> says their FAQ
[23:07] <ahoneybun> if you destroy it they don't
[23:07] <clivejo> valorie: yeah, but if there was a script running that would shut it down when not in use
[23:08] <clivejo> we could go for a higher spec but only run it when needed
[23:08] <clivejo> it would only be used a few hours Id reckon
[23:09] <clivejo> log in, do your business and shut it down again
[23:19] <valorie> cool
[23:20] <valorie> I'd like the Kubuntu Developers to decide what they would find useful, and then we the KC will make that happen one way or another
[23:21] <valorie> and I'd like more KDevels!
[23:21]  * valorie looks at clivejo
[23:21] <clivejo> what?!?
[23:21] <clivejo> what have I done now?!?
[23:22] <valorie> a lot of good stuff!
[23:22] <valorie> so you should apply to be a kubuntu developer
[23:22] <valorie> I saw that Philip said ya should
[23:22] <valorie> :-)
[23:22] <clivejo> he was joking!
[23:23] <valorie> I don't think so
[23:23] <valorie> what do you think, sgclark?
[23:25] <soee> DO bills for droplets all the time utill they are destoryed
[23:26] <soee> Linux 4.6 Kernel Officially Released
[23:27] <soee> Frameworks 5.22 released
[23:27] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.22.0.php
[23:29] <sgclark> I think, no I know clivejo should be a kubuntu developer
[23:29] <sgclark> valorie: ^
[23:37] <soee> valorie: could you take care of this vps, refounds etc. stuff 
[23:37] <soee> ?
[23:44] <clivejo> soee: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_xenial.html
[23:45] <soee> +1 :]
[23:46] <clivejo> up to Launchpad now
[23:47] <valorie> soee: I would like the KDs to ask for what seems useful, and I'll find a way
[23:47] <DarinMiller> Why is there a plasma-framework 5.21 in the frameworks 5.22 packages?
[23:48] <clivejo> they are in the same PPA
[23:48] <DarinMiller> This packaging stuff still continues to spin me in circles.
[23:48] <clivejo> as I upload the 5.22 packages and they start to build the status page will slowly update
[23:49] <DarinMiller> So the 5.21 stuff will disappear?
[23:49] <clivejo> that page is just a tool to help us locate problems easier
[23:49] <clivejo> yes
[23:49] <clivejo> 5.22 overwites the older packages
[23:50] <DarinMiller> I would have expect the 5.21 stuff to be blue, not red.
[23:51] <clivejo> because the status page is displaying 5.22 issues
[23:51] <clivejo> the fact a 5.21 package is there is an issue to it
[23:51] <clivejo> so it flags it up as a problem
[23:52] <DarinMiller> OK.  I need see/help with the process all the way thru and learn to fix the problems.
[23:52] <clivejo> the link at the top takes you to the actual PPA
[23:53] <clivejo> that page is updated every 5 mins
[23:53] <clivejo> but LP is very slow at publishing packages
[23:54] <soee> clivejo: btw. regarding FW support by Plasma
[23:55] <soee> i think i once asked about it on #plasma and they said that this info is in cmake file contained
[23:56] <clivejo> soee: seeing FW5.22 is working in Yakkety, its probably best to use it as the base for plasma 5.6.4
[23:56] <clivejo> I’ve bumped all the FW dependencies so its easier this way