[02:21] we have 5.6.4 out? [04:08] how do I test it? [04:08] 5.6.4 [04:09] http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 [04:12] gimme les links!!1 [07:42] morning :) [08:28] http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 => how i can help? === crissi- is now known as Crissi [08:36] haven't seen one awake crissi [08:37] :-D [08:38] not sure what status is with testing :) [08:38] do you know clivejo? [08:39] not yet [08:40] unless you are running yakkety and have a system or VM that you don't mind risking a high chance of breaking, then I don't think testing those packages from staging is wise [08:42] clivejo, said yesterday "clivejo isnt very happy about people testing from staging PPA's" [08:42] sure, can setup a vm of 16.04 [08:42] lol I know he was also talking to me [08:42] so I think that testing message on kubuntu wire was jumping the gun a bit on those packages [08:43] i think you should know what you are doing when you do testing ;) [08:43] if you do and cam fix breakages, then good [09:10] btw: is the issue with missing kipi plugins on gwenview fixed? [09:16] I am not a good reference but if I understood correctly you have to remove ald lib libkf5kipi to make plugins work with new lib [10:05] I think clivejo was talking about me. [10:06] Yes, I was testing 5.6.4 out of staging, and I was so excited I put out the wire post. [10:07] :) [10:07] For me (only in a YY VM) it basically works so long as you do not absolutely need to auto-hide the panel. [10:08] And I had to run ksnapshot to capture the kinfocenter shot [10:08] I am not there yet first hardware firmware update then vm and also going to test :) [10:09] All is proceeding as I have forseen [10:10] misquote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q [10:12] ha ha ha ha! [10:12] Seriously, It is good to get some positive excitement about Kubuntu and yes, I recommend you only test in a VM, and last, if the devels do not want to answer because it is too early (they prefer testing from landing), blame me and not them. [10:15] I did not blame anyone was having some problems with wireless and lts where also after fresh again ppa staging was selected [10:15] used partition magic to shred hdd and ssd [10:16] but really dont mind getting in to trouble it is the way I learn fastest :D [10:17] ment fresh install :) [10:54] mparillo: not at all, Im running from staging too! But you have to understand the risks and never use it on a production system [10:55] we just don’t have the people power to help fix systems broken by using inappropriate PPA's [10:56] my call for testers was to actually test if the packages installed sucussful! [10:57] following the headache of the kde-l10n conflicts [11:00] Well in my case, not only was the installation successful, except for the panel thing, and possibly the 'extra' activities (I will re-test both on real hardware when they move to -landing), I think Plasma 5.6.4 is great. And as you note, kde-spectacle is not part of plasma. Though maybe the big SC code-drops had their purpose. [11:16] working nicely in a VM here. [11:17] can anyone shed any light on the networkmanager problem in Xenial? [11:18] clivejo: bug#? FWIW: DHCP is working for me. Only adding a static IP setup failed. [11:19] clivejo: FYI: yy upgrade 5,21,5.6.3 -> 5.22,5.6.4 in a VM without problem! Great job! [11:19] * allee hugs clivejo [11:20] allee: it started as one bug, but has kinda grown! [11:22] uh, family wants my attention. I'll have a look later, if someone lemme know what/where to start bug hunting [11:22] Bug 1569674 [11:22] bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu Xenial) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569674 [11:23] wifi fine here in xenial [11:24] what version network manager you got installed? [11:25] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager [11:26] clivejo: wifi & DHCP & VPN(cisco) works at home and at work [11:26] 1.1.93-0ubuntu4 [11:27] thats the one I made the patch for [11:27] the problem is the 1.2.0 release currently in proposed [11:28] I don't install from proposed on a released distro, unless it specifically has something with a fix I need. [11:30] clivejo: yeah. Creating a Static IP setup failed for me too with nm in xx release. I'll can try proposed later [11:30] * allee afk [11:31] oh well. what I have works so I'm not messing with it ;) [11:31] if you are on networkmanager 1.1.93 the networkmanager-qt package in my PPA should fix that problem [11:32] but if you have nm 1.2 then all hell breaks loose and you will probably kill plasma-nm altogether [11:33] is this specifically plasma/qt-nm prob? [11:33] nm-qt seems to be a wrapper for nm [11:35] yofel tried to upload the patch but nm 1.2 is sitting in Xenial proposed [11:37] so it's nm itself? i.e. the nm-applet from xfce4 would also do the same? [11:38] I dunno [11:38] just asking, as I sometimes use that, even in plasma. [11:38] Xenial shipped with this bug [11:38] must have been lucky not to hit it then [11:38] mainly affected people with VPN's [11:39] I didnt have VPN [11:40] the main problem, in my opinion is that Xenial shipped with a beta of NM [11:41] version 1.1.93 is not a version that should be in an LTS! [11:41] someone has spotted that and packaged 1.2 and uploaded it to proposed [11:41] lucky they spin new isos for the LTS point releases then! [11:41] assuming fixed by then... [11:42] giving us 1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 [11:56] hi [11:57] kubuntu is sutable for 2 gb ram or 1 GHz processor [11:58] AMD process [13:01] preo/ [13:29] yofel: ping [13:40] Hiyas all [13:40] Hoho [13:40] *hiho [14:00] mparillo: just upgraded ..already there, 5.6.4 plasma version [14:01] BluesKaj: You used -staging on YY? [14:01] any fixes to the activities and nvidia driver problem is that a kernel issue.? Yess YY [14:02] or [14:04] using a low level setting for my desktop, Xrender , no activities etc [14:04] Activities seemed to work for me. I noticed a number (maybe six) stopped activities. I do miss in Plasma 4 the various activity templates. I do not know about driver problems. I test -staging in a VM. I will try on HW when they hit -landing [14:05] mparillo: what's your gpu? [14:08] graphical procces unit BluesKaj [14:08] processor [14:08] not proces [14:11] renee77: graphics processer unit [14:15] clivejo I have to be on YY to get 5.6.4? [14:16] the ppa is available for Xenial too, ahoneybun [14:16] oh yea BluesKaj ? [14:17] Yes Arron [14:17] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma [14:17] do I need to disable my graphics ppa? [14:17] 5.6.4 is only done for yakkety [14:18] 5.6.3 is in there [14:18] ahh [14:18] Yes 5.6.3 [14:18] sorry for the mistake, ahoneybun [14:18] But not 5.6.4 [14:18] 5.6 was a big update the .3 is minor update [14:18] yeah [14:18] BluesKaj just one point off lol [14:19] clivejo do I need to disable my graphics ppa? [14:19] I'm using NVIDIA [14:19] I dont know [14:19] well 5.6.4 fixes some problems with activities I believe [14:19] Yakkety has some issues with kernel at the monent [14:20] my issues are with the launcher and text disappearing [14:20] switching launchers causes favorites to reset [14:20] ahoneybun: same here I'm reluctant to try the nvidia proprietary driver tho ...nouveau seems to be working well here [14:20] BluesKaj I was tempted to format this thing anyway [14:21] but I've downloaded a few games [14:21] I lost plasma for a few days [14:21] also was going to give GNOME a try [14:21] for the heck of it [14:21] eeuew [14:21] Due to nvidia not being able to compile the module [14:23] the IrcsomeBot on 4.4.0-21 ? [14:23] kernel that is [14:27] libqapt (master) v3.0.2-1-ga58eab7 * Pino Toscano: src/package.cpp [14:27] include for std::default_random_engine [14:27] apparently it was implicitly pulled by other (apt?) headers [14:27] http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a58eab74ee9881d10e0f24a3ed216ed71ba03bf5 [14:34] I am not sure what my GPU is (I suppose VMware must emulate one), but I do know since I "upgraded" to VMware Workstation Player 12 (from VMware Player 9, I think), I have been able to crash my VM when I never could before. I prevent 90% of those crashes by turning off 3D rendering, which I never had to do before. [14:44] nope the the nvidia prop driver isn't up to screen resolution capablity on this monitor, so the kernel module isn't patched yet [14:53] I'm tempted to try it [14:53] I just would need to purge that graphics ppa and upgrade [14:55] that'sw hat I just did , your gpu may worj , my entry level 8400GS /340 driver isn't up to the task yet [14:55] ahoneybun: ^ [14:55] work even [14:55] I have a GT 750M [14:55] with 364.19 now [14:56] nice [14:56] yet have issues playing Tomb Raider lol [14:56] maybe my card is on the verge of the "legacy" classification [15:30] clivejo do I need any other PPAs other then staging? [15:31] ahoneybun: for what? [15:31] testing Plasma 5.6.3 [15:31] from Staging [15:32] no, I copied frameworks across, so they should all be in there [15:32] holy... 244 package to update [15:33] here we go [15:36] alright rebooting [15:37] that was fast [15:37] yea decent speeds and a SSD [15:37] takes me hours to update :( [15:37] You should get an SSD. :) [15:37] I have an SSD [15:38] Oh [15:38] internet speeds [15:38] its my internet thats slow [15:38] Sorry :( [15:38] carrier pigeons fitted with micro sd-cards would be faster, more reliable! [15:38] mm the login got the new wallpaper but not the loading bar [15:39] mm About System says I'm on 5.5.5 [15:40] then you mustnt have got it properly [15:40] there can be file conflicts [15:40] what is that command to check the version in konsole [15:41] did you check the install went ok? [15:41] OK this is weird, I have 2 YY bare metal installs with 5.6.4 where the panel autohide/window can cover work just fine. [15:41] mm need to do a dist-upgrade [15:41] In fact, everything but oxygen icons work great. [15:41] not sure why those are even on the system anymore [15:42] I think krunner got the update lol [15:42] DarinMiller: that is odd [15:42] On Arch, 5.6.4 still suffers from the autohide issue. [15:43] dist-upgrade is going slower then upgrade [15:44] Can anyone give me hint on how to install mamarley's nvidia340 driver on YY? [15:44] probably beacuse its actually installing files :P [15:44] it did before [15:44] DarinMiller: Just add ppa:mamarley/staging. [15:44] I saw packages being replaced [15:44] just my speeds are slow now [15:45] But make sure you disable it once the package gets moved to the main PPA since I upload stuff there for testing sometimes. [15:45] DarinMiller: add his magic PPA [15:46] has anyone on Yakkety had the networking problems Xenial has seen? [15:47] !info networkmanager [15:47] Package networkmanager does not exist in yakkety [15:47] ubottu you lie !! [15:47] clivejo: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [15:47] !info pa-nm [15:47] Package pa-nm does not exist in yakkety [15:47] As in the Pre-release XX option that corrupts the plasma nw icon? [15:48] it is something like nm [15:48] DarinMiller: yes [15:49] there is a version on proposed1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 [15:49] seems to be causing a lot of problems [15:50] but I havent noticed anything wrong in Yakkety [15:51] Both my YY boxes are working fine, however my XX session is dorked. Attempting to revert the XX session want to remove the entire KDE envioro and/or install a whole bunch of gnome stuff. [15:53] DarinMiller, nvidia gpu driver? [15:54] yes, nvdia760 364.19 [15:54] I wonder if I backported network-manager 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 from Yakkety into frameworks staging would that get me a stable base to build FW5.22 on [15:55] purge it if it's causing probs, the kernel module doesn't build properly for the 4.4.0-21 kernel, DarinMiller [15:55] I can easliy work around the nm issue, but everytime after wake or reboot, I have to use: nmcli --ask -p con up "Millers_5G" ifname wlp3s0 [15:56] I tried sudo ppa-purge xenial-proposed, but that did not work. [15:57] FIles fail to dl, and warning message says: apt-get update failed for some reason [15:57] clivejo, I installed nm-gnome to enter my vpn settings and nmcli workwed well for connecting [15:58] purgew the nvidia driver is my suggestion DarinMiller [15:59] purge nvdia driver on XX to fix the nm issue? [15:59] mamarley: you are a genious, your ppa worked awesome. [15:59] clivejo, but there's a fix for nm in the repos ..it woked on my laptop after upgrading [16:00] Not really, I just applied a quick patch to get the driver to compile against 4.6. [16:00] alright [16:00] on Plasma 5.6.3 [16:00] Frameworks 5.21 [16:00] Qt 5.5.1 [16:01] mamarley,on YY? [16:01] ahoneybun: sounds better [16:01] yep [16:01] BluesKaj: Xenial and Yakkety. DKMS applies the patch only if you are running 4.6, so it works fine on Xenial too. [16:01] loads up much quieter [16:01] *faster [16:02] yeah, I noticed that with 5.6 [16:02] I get to the SDDM fast [16:02] but loading took time [16:02] now faster! [16:02] More clues with the autohide issue. After installing mamarley ppa, the YY Nvidia340 box now suffers from the autohide. [16:03] seems to be driver related [16:03] 5.6 loads up really fast for me too. [16:03] I would guess if it is driver-related, it is caused by the driver itself and not the packaging. [16:03] My YY nvidia960 364.19 box works fine. Will have to add these notes to the bug report... [16:04] mamarley, odd I just tried to install nvidia-340 on YY with plasma 5.6.4 . the monitor resolution regreesedt o a much lower setting asfter a the reboot [16:04] I can't explain that, sorry. [16:05] correction: regressed to a much lower resolution after the reboot [16:05] I agree, not packaging issue. Sound more of an NVidia driver/plasma issue. [16:06] fails to build properly ... however the nouveau is all Ireally need for now , works fine [16:18] ovidiuflorin is a genious, he posted the fix for nm XX Pre-release issue in the bug report (sudo apt install libkf5networkmanagerqt6=5.18.0-0ubuntu1) for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674 [16:18] Launchpad bug 1569674 in networkmanager-qt (Ubuntu Xenial) "[Kubuntu] Fail to connect to wifi after a recent update" [High,In progress] [16:18] now my xx nm is back to normal, yes! [16:19] so far running nice! [16:19] mm some reason GDM is coming back [16:19] suspend does work nice! [16:20] ahoneybun: Nvidia card? [16:20] yea [16:20] GT 750M [16:22] ahoneybun: Does panel autohide/window can cover work for you? [16:22] autohide panel? [16:22] oh those [16:22] ahoneybun: Panel hamburger, more settings [16:22] yea right [16:23] both work [16:24] ahoneybun: my XX box with intel drivers, 5.6.3 autohide fails. With YY I have mixed results, on Nvidia box works, the other does not. [16:25] weird [16:26] I do have an intel built in [16:32] mm switching to intel .. [16:32] just trying to log out caused a lock up [16:33] DarinMiller both work fine on my intel card [16:39] ahoneybun: Good to know, I will update my xx Nvidia box to 5.6.3 and see what happens.... [16:39] I'm on 364.19 as well [16:39] ahoneybun: do you use prime-select to switch cards? [16:39] the nvidia app [16:40] I never remember the commands [16:40] though I should if I lock up again [16:40] I think thats the same... but good to know.. [16:54] Cool. My skylake laptop can now finally switch between NVidia and Intel! (YY, 364.19, kernel 4.5 rc-7) Yes! [17:01] XX upgrade to 5.6.3 was painless on the XX box. Panel " window can cover" works fine!!!???? [17:02] DarinMiller: no file conflict errors? [17:06] clivejo: no file conflict errors that I noticed. Where should I be looking? [17:06] when installing the packages [17:07] kcm_activities.mo [17:07] Nope. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma followed by sudo apt update followed by sudo apt full-upgrade. No errors or issues. [17:08] I restarted plasmashell (killall plasmashell && plasmashell &) and 5.6.3 was active. Seemed to easy so I rebooted just to be sure. No problems. [17:10] Activities are working fine [17:10] meta-tab switch no problem [17:12] The desktop hamburger menu auto disappears, but this has been an issue since KDE4... [17:15] If I use System Settings -> Desktop Behavior to manage my activities I don't have to fight the deskop hamburger autoclose menu issue. === Guest48256 is now known as Mamarok === Mamarok is now known as Guest22199 === Guest22199 is now known as Mamarok [17:40] * clivejo giggles [17:40] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/13/microsoft_phone_support_contractors_told_to_hang_up_after_15_minutes/ [17:45] lol [17:46] I must try that technique [18:18] hiho :) [18:18] hi soee [18:21] clivejo: do we have this language problems solved ? [18:21] not sure [19:55] hi all [19:56] now on daily no nm error [19:56] was it fixed? [19:57] hi renee__, it's working for me too, not sure where/how the fix landed. [19:57] Because I also did upgrade firmware of nw card [19:58] what ppa is used for plasma 5.6.e? [19:58] j5.6.4 [19:59] plasma-staging [19:59] renee__: ok YY ? [19:59] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma [20:00] yep [20:00] thanks :) [20:01] soee: plasma-staging 5.6.4 staging working great on 2 boxes here (one old, one new) [20:01] * clivejo likes 5.6.4 too [20:02] * soee waits for backports .. [20:02] * clivejo waits for 5.7 [20:04] me too ;-) [20:04] 5.7: 2016-06-30 (per https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5) What's in it? [20:06] ability to test and brick system ;-) [20:09] is there a testing page to fill in or just go for it? [20:09] testing page? [20:10] were you keep track of functionality ? [20:10] thats soee's job [20:10] in wiki refering to other page but not existing [20:10] he tracks releases/features/bugs [20:10] ah ok [20:11] lol I thought every input would be welcome ;-) [20:12] its is! [20:12] but we need more people power! [20:13] reading bug reports and triaging [20:13] figuring out where the bug needs to be reported to, in order to get it fixed [20:14] some bugs are Ubuntu, some are packaging issues and some are KDE source issues [20:15] ah I started reading but wasnt sure when I could adjust and assign bug requests I would like to start with triaging [20:16] Little bit scared to do it wrong [20:16] too [20:16] brb in 5 mins [20:16] just ask :) [20:26] :-) [20:27] Telegram has snap package: https://uappexplorer.com/app/telegram-sergiusens.sergiusens [20:28] License: Proprietary ? [20:28] I thought Telegram was OS? [20:30] OS ? [20:31] ah open source [20:31] uh dunno [20:32] not fully OS [20:32] https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything [20:33] we don't have snap anyway [20:33] back :) [20:34] clivejo: push the button called "backports" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8 [20:34] lol [20:34] I cant find that button soee [20:35] :D [20:35] where is it? [20:43] soee: are you a kubuntu member? [20:44] clivejo: no [20:44] why not ?? :O [20:45] o/ folks [20:45] well i do nothing important for Kubuntu, annoying others only :D [20:46] hi valorie [20:46] hi valorie \o [20:46] home from the cabin, cat fed, wash machine fed, happy to be home [20:46] soee: you should help out [20:47] hey all I am trying to fix my blog to be less cranky. technical difficulties has arisen though [20:47] soee: the info you feed us is valuable! [20:48] sgclark: what happend? [20:48] which part? being cranky or technical difficulties? lol [20:48] technical stuff :-) [20:49] I forgot my password it seems and kmail is taking three years to load mail. guess I should finish packaging that. [20:50] * clivejo can understand the kmail issue [20:50] the mysql upgrade really messed kontact up for me [20:50] same' [20:51] Ive had to swap to webmail for my accounts :( [20:51] sorry cant help much here, i'm using Thunderbird [20:52] just cant afford to waste time waiting on Kontact to load mail [20:52] * clivejo suffers from lack of patients [20:54] most of my mail is on gmail, but it seems I have an old email set for my blog : / [20:54] do you have access to the host database? [20:54] and I just discovered a bunch of mails, like important ones : / [20:55] yes [20:56] just curious if I may ask where is your blog to find? Like to read what you've written so far :) [20:56] not till I fix my last post. haha. It was written under duress [20:57] :-) [20:57] ahh :) [20:57] I'll try to wait patiently ;-) [21:00] * clivejo offers renee__ a finger puzzle [21:04] hehe tapping impatiently ondesk -> throwing puzle out of window....... [21:11] * clivejo gasps in shock [21:12] * sgclark mutters things about kmail. Still waiting... [21:13] * renee__ supressing urge to search for .... ;-) [21:13] 65% [21:13] * sgclark goes to get coffee to stay awake waiting [21:16] soee: does plasma 5.6.4 work on FW5.21? [21:16] clivejo: yes [21:17] omg it just restarted at 0% no new mail shown. [21:18] it was released after 5.6 so for sure, only 5.X should have some min version defined [21:18] and the gateway ping timeout patch, what version is it fixed in? [21:19] what patch? [21:19] has the to networkmanager-qt [21:20] ConnectionSettings: Initialize gateway ping timeout [21:20] ? [21:20] https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.21.0.php [21:20] so its in 5.21? [21:20] yes it is on changelog list [21:22] have to go (not working still needed in healthcare) will be back tomorow to be an annoing volunteer for sgclark :D [21:22] bye all [21:23] bye [21:42] soee: do you have pigeons? [21:43] nope, my father does ;) [21:43] you should become a pigeon fancier too [21:44] and you can download oxygen-icons5 onto an micro sd card and fly it to me [21:45] Ill package it and sign it and fly it back to you for upload [22:02] clivejo: why can't you download it ? [22:08] ok thunderbird to the rescue. scarlettgatelyclark.com post updated. [22:10] soee: Im trying! [22:10] just soooooo slow [22:12] why? connection or source server issue? [22:12] that package is massive in size [22:12]