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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:01
SuperEngineero/09:04
brobostigonmorning SuperEngineer09:07
SuperEngineer[1st day off in 14 days. glad to see t'internets still exists ;-) ]09:08
brobostigon:)09:09
zmoylan-piwell sunday is a day of rest so strap on the shinguards and head out to gardening/diy centre... :-))10:01
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SuperEngineer...currently counting down to live F110:42
zmoylan-pirooting for particular driver or team?10:44
* zmoylan-pi imagines SuperEngineer in ferarri pjamas, wrapped in ferarri duvet waving ferarri flag in front of gogglebox... :-P10:48
* SuperEngineer imagines SuperEngineer going to British F1 at Silvertone10:56
SuperEngineer...& smiles... coz SuperEngineer is! [courtesy of wonderful birthday gift from daughter & sister]10:57
SuperEngineervaaa....roooooooooooommmmm10:59
penguin42SuperEngineer: Oh cool11:00
SuperEngineergratefully agreed11:00
zmoylan-pibring ear protection...11:01
SuperEngineer...& beer11:01
SuperEngineer[if they allow "imported"11:01
penguin42careful otherwise SuperEngineer will get stuck in a pit lane wondering how to get to working on F1 cars11:02
zmoylan-piaren't they stuck on ancient laptops as it runs propietary hardware? that's a job for me :-D11:02
SuperEngineer"honest guv, I can fix that tyre. Honest I can"  :-D11:03
zmoylan-pii still know my way around windows 3.1...11:03
zmoylan-pihttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227828-the-mclaren-f1-supercar-can-only-be-serviced-with-this-ancient-compaq-laptop11:04
zmoylan-piah the mclaren f1... my bad... sorry.11:04
SuperEngineerthey may be stuck on something in old race control, but there is now a new main race control [with old one acting as fallback - they both communicate ok with each other but I have no idea what software either is running [suspect new one may be different to old]11:05
SuperEngineerthey may be stuck on something in old race control, but there is now a new main race control [with old one acting as fallback - they both communicate ok with each other but I have no idea what software either is running [suspect new one may be different to old]11:05
SuperEngineer[whoops! double post. my a po lo gies11:05
SuperEngineerhmm.. I suspect quite a few of the race teams may by now have tried &/or are into 2proper" software [depends on who makes their custom programmes I suspect]11:11
zmoylan-piwas it renault team that switched to linux to save a *LOT* of money11:12
penguin42it's odd they need that specific laptop; I'd have thought they might have had a custom PCMCIA card or the like11:12
penguin42so I could see them needing an oldish laptop with PCMCIA11:12
SuperEngineerbtw F1 coverage now on Ch4 & about to go live, F1 live timing now free on formula1.com [without subscription]11:12
* penguin42 admits to finding F1 boring except for the crashes11:13
zmoylan-pimid 90s had some very weird laptops made as engineers stuffed some weird stuff in... ::glares at ibm and 'software' modems::11:13
* SuperEngineer suspects you are not alone penguin42 11:13
penguin42SuperEngineer: Go and oil the track or something11:14
SuperEngineerI#ll see if I can get permission for a "track walk" [a.k.a an oiling]  ;-)11:14
SuperEngineer...but I suspect they might guess when I tell them, "I'm doing something 'special' for penguin4211:16
zmoylan-piand the blindfold? :-P11:16
SuperEngineer...and them ask for some sawdust/cement powder mix to clear it up!11:17
isseHi guys11:17
isseAre you aware of any issue with skype on ubuntu ?11:17
SuperEngineerissues like "not supported"?11:18
zmoylan-piisn't it abandonware on linux now?11:18
isseNot quite11:18
SuperEngineer[if one uses U-MATE one can install directly from software & try that?11:19
isseit's like it installs and runs fine, except my messages don't get delivered11:19
isseon every message i send, a triangle appears next to it saying Not delivered yet.11:19
SuperEngineerisse: suggest a quick ask on #ubuntu-mate11:19
isseWill do. Thanks for the info ;)11:20
SuperEngineerF1 now live - preamble at present11:20
* penguin42 thinks there are one or two things that skype on linux can't do; in particular group video chats11:20
* SuperEngineer thinks there are many things that skype on linux can no longer do11:21
SuperEngineer[...& -who- owns Skype?]11:22
zmoylan-pihappy huggy we love linux ms11:23
SuperEngineer:)11:23
SuperEngineerF1 live race started - bfn11:55
knightwiseafternoon peeps13:00
Switchesheya knightwise13:00
knightwisehey Switches13:02
knightwisehow goes you13:02
SwitchesNot to bad mate, you?13:03
knightwisedoin ok,13:06
knightwisewriting up an IT plan for one of my customers, need to migrate their arse to office36513:06
Switchesouch, working on a Sunday..13:07
knightwiseI'm an entrepreneur so ..13:08
SwitchesNo days off for you then13:08
knightwiseNot really13:09
knightwiseBut it doesnt always feel like work .. i like what I do so , thats a good thing.13:10
SwitchesBest part of any job, if it doesn't feel like work it's always a good thing13:11
knightwisetrue.13:11
knightwiseI get to give talks, play solution architect, organise IT services .. its nice :)13:11
Switches:)13:12
SwitchesFun part's giving talks and teaching, so rewarding13:12
knightwise and I an always sprinkle a litlle bit of knightwise.com philosophy into my designs :)13:12
knightwiseyeah ) Giving talks is awesome. I love being on stage13:12
SwitchesOhh cool site13:13
SwitchesOdd to find any "cross platform" sites to do with Linux and Windows, mostly to many evangelists about lol13:14
knightwiseWhich site are you referring to ?13:15
SwitchesYour site13:15
knightwiseah :) Lol13:15
knightwisethanx :) been at it for a couple of years now13:15
Switcheslooks good, well layed out and easy enough to read (plus no big banner adverts taking the page up)13:15
knightwisenope :) never did advertising. always payed for everything out of my own pocket. Being independant is kinda important to me13:17
knightwiseThe website was completely re-done by one of our listeners13:17
SwitchesBest way to be for some projects13:17
knightwisetrue.13:17
knightwiseso , working on anything geeky ?13:19
SwitchesNa not really, mostly just reading at the mo13:19
knightwisewhat's on your nightstand (readingwise)13:20
Switcheshmm seems you're the same age as me.. also born in the same month.. rofl13:20
SwitchesWell mainly wiring diagrams for cars >.>, but like to read some tech stuff aswell13:20
knightwiseSwitches: you a scorpio too ? :)$13:21
knightwiseI just finished Chernobyl 1:23:5813:21
Switchesna Sagittarian13:21
knightwisevery comprehensive book about the Chernobyl disaster.  Written by a geek like us, edited by the guys on reddit  Very accessible entertaining book.13:22
knightwiseaah :) Late november then:)13:22
SwitchesYep13:22
* penguin42 is reading the Universal History of Numbers by Georges Ifrah - it kind of starts at marks on clay - or before13:23
SwitchesHmm never got much into that kinda book, more sci-fi stuff for me like "The Complete Robot"13:23
knightwisepenguin42: cool13:23
knightwiseSwitches: I just finished 'ready player one'13:24
knightwiseand "a thousand suns" (alternative history novel where the nazi's build a nuke)13:24
knightwiseAnd i love my scifi too :)(pats large collection of star trek novels)13:25
SwitchesHaven't read that any good?13:27
knightwiseA thousand suns is not bad. it kinda reads like an action movie .. so its a light read.13:28
knightwiseReady player one is not bad. Lots of geek-references both you and I will get ... but the story is a liiiitle flimsy13:28
knightwisebut still entertaining.13:28
SwitchesHmm have to look that one up13:30
knightwiseyou read on paper or on an ebook13:30
SwitchesBoth tbh13:30
* knightwise has been reading digitally for over 10 years now 13:31
SwitchesI have a couple of books dotted around and use my tablet (when my daughter hasn't pinched it)13:31
knightwisestarted on my Handspring Visor13:31
penguin42knightwise: Ooh that was a bit small13:32
SwitchesNow thats some classic "tech" lol13:32
knightwisepenguin42: I read the entire 2001 books from Arthur C clarcke on that one .. while out shopping with my girlfriend.13:33
penguin42knightwise: How did that relationship go?13:33
knightwiseI have been reading english books for the longest time (im belgian) and these are very hard to come by around here13:33
knightwiseso i started downloading books from the net and needed something to read them on :)13:34
Switcheslol best way13:34
knightwisethat relationship went fine :) She's been my wife for the last 10 years13:34
penguin42oh well13:34
knightwiseAnd I still take my kindle with me when we are out shopping :)13:34
SwitchesLast handheld I remember having was a ipaq from just after release >.> that was erm.. 15 years ago probably lol13:36
knightwiseSwitches: was that THAT long ago  ?13:36
knightwiseyep .. you are probably right.13:36
knightwisedamn !13:36
Switchesyeah... makes us old mate :p13:36
knightwisehahaha :) it does13:36
knightwisepenguin42: you a paper-sniffer ?13:37
knightwiseSwitches: sometimes I miss those days. Smartphones are just noisy distracting little fuckers13:38
Switchesmost the time they are... they have a tendency to go off when you find something interesting lol#13:38
knightwiseI try to keep the number of notifications to an absolute minimum13:39
SwitchesAlthough saying that most people have learnt not to ring me as my battery is normally dead xD13:40
SwitchesAlways end up with google/yahoo/aim/icq messages "Wtf dude your phone is off again"13:43
knightwiseLol13:43
knightwiseI use telegram for my closest friends ..13:44
knightwiseeverybody else can go sit on facebook messenger13:44
Switchesrofl13:44
knightwiseand my clients can use whatsapp13:44
knightwiseSo, based on the notification I receive I can decide wether to ignore it :)13:44
Switchestbh there are very few people who contact me nowadays (thank god) was a lot worse when I was actually working within IT13:45
SwitchesBeing the only Linux/UNIX buy also didn't help matters much lol13:48
Switchesguy*13:48
knightwise Hahah :) I know the feeling13:49
knightwiseback when I was in tech support and we had a rainy saturday afternoon .. my phone would not stop ringing13:49
SwitchesWeird how many people we tend to find our age that only ever did MCSE and Windows cert...13:50
knightwiseTrue.13:50
SwitchesAhh now thats some memories lol13:50
knightwiseI refused to get mine13:51
SwitchesUsed to just bury my head in paperwork and hope someone else got it13:51
* knightwise thinks of Moz in the it crowd13:51
SwitchesI actually ended up doing my MCSE and MCNA but they also gave me the chance to get a few other certs.. not that they do me much good nowadays...13:52
knightwiseI dont value "company specific/brand specific certs very highly"13:55
SwitchesNeither do I tbh, even back then. But it was one of them "either do it or lose your job" deals lol13:56
* knightwise knows the feeling13:56
knightwisehmm.. Dell xps13 is behaving quite well with 16.0413:57
knightwisebattery life is very good indeed13:58
SwitchesI find 16.04 pretty stable tbh, although from what I been reading a lot are getting crash reports thrown in their faces.. wondering if they forgot to switch apport off in the release builds13:59
knightwiseI gotta say .. i switched it off13:59
knightwiseone thing i like is the snap packages13:59
knightwisefeels nice to install / uninstall apps without having to worry about dependencies and stuff14:00
SwitchesYeah snap is a great idea14:00
SwitchesI always switch apport off as far as reporting goes.. to many programs miss a tick and it suddenly decides its crashed >.<14:01
knightwisetrue14:01
knightwiseand I don't mind a crash and sending it to canonical .. but just dont bug me with it every single time14:02
SwitchesI hate it, its like "I'm using the damn program it hasn't crashed!" but apport is still popping up lol14:02
knightwiseI call it the 'i'll bug you to submit a bug' app14:04
Switcheslol14:04
SwitchesAbout fits it yeah14:04
SwitchesThe thing is it is actually meant to be on for the dev builds but not for the releases afaik, think someone just forgots to change the flag in a config for ubiqity14:05
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knightwiseSwitches: it does give first time users a bad impression14:07
Switchesknightwise: Yeah just a bit14:07
SwitchesThink it puts a lot of personally.. they think its like a BSOD14:07
Switchesoff*14:07
knightwiseYep14:07
knightwisethat is waht it feels like14:07
Switchesespecially when the first thing after the initial boot is it popping up lol14:08
penguin42What's the crash it's actually reporting? Is it a kernel oops?14:08
Switchesna nothing that serious tbh14:09
penguin42how do you know?14:09
Switchesmost the time its GDM or LightDM or some crap that just stops suddenly14:09
knightwiseWell.. he's still talking to us ... so i think the system is still up14:09
penguin42you can still get oops/warns without it killing the machine14:09
SwitchesYeah you can, but its nothing kernel wise, I've checked most the ones I get out. It normally happens when one program hands off to another then quits. Apport sees it as a crash14:10
penguin42hmm that's weird, apport should only see user space crashes or kernel oopses - I don't think it's got that much more smarts for handoffs14:11
MartijnVdSI think it may have some python "uncaught exception" hooks14:12
penguin42yeh14:12
SwitchesWell tbh It's probably a mix of stuff, I'd worry more if it was a AppArmor report14:13
SwitchesBut it shouldn't be on for release versions anyway. The process still runs in the background just the report shouldn't be enabled by default14:14
penguin42Switches: Not sure; in the end a few million users find a lot more weird corner cases than your testers14:15
SwitchesIt's an easy fix, just "sudo <text editor of choice> /etc/default/apport and change the 1 to a 014:15
SwitchesYeah but throwing that at a new user they always take it something far more serious than it is14:16
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Switchespenguin42: If us testers do our job right we should be able to find most the problems well before they make a release :p14:18
knightwiseshould be the first post in every 'what to do after installing ..." post14:18
Switchesrofl yeah14:18
SwitchesIt's weird cause even the apport page on Ubuntu still says it should be turnt off for releases I think14:19
SwitchesApport is really the linux version of the old Dr Watson Windows program.. Irritating as hell when it decides something is wrong14:21
SwitchesOhhh LLVM are changing their release schedule to help downstream.. theres a first14:23
knightwiseDarn , forgot to download the latest fcm14:24
Switchesfcm?14:26
knightwiseFullCircle Magazine14:28
Switchesahh14:28
knightwiseRonny does a great job there14:28
penguin42Switches: Oh not really, there's so many different motherboards/ devices/ combinations of what program people actually use14:29
Switchesknightwise: I thought you were on about that old subversion plugin thing for a while there...14:30
knightwiseon the podcast ?14:32
Switchespenguin42: That's true, but even more reason to leave the reporting off for releases. Apport is a debug tool (imo) not something adverage joe user should see when finishing up the nice fresh install of Ubuntu. Let AppArmor and Whoopsie deal with that.14:33
Switchesknightwise: When you were saying about downloading the latest "fcm" there was an old subversion plugin for admins called fcm. tbh can't even remember what it was for..14:35
knightwiseAh there is a script i found somewhere that does it14:35
SwitchesAhh14:35
knightwisehttp://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2013/05/script-to-download-all-issues-of-full.html14:35
SwitchesThat's a cool little script14:37
knightwiseyep.14:37
knightwiseAnd i pull the downloaded versions into calibre straight away to keep track14:38
knightwisethat way I can shoot them to my kindle and my ipad14:38
SwitchesNever really bothered reading those, but then I switch between the distros a lot depending on where I am and what system I'm using lol14:38
SwitchesListen to the ubuntu podcast and a lot of the ubuntu on air stuff, other than that its LAS and reading Phoronix lol14:40
knightwiseI know the ubuntu podcast , but .. What is ubuntu on air ?14:40
knightwisei listen to LAS too (read : i skip the horrible commmercials)14:41
SwitchesIt's live dev talks ubuntu do, some of them are pretty interesting14:41
* knightwise is no dev.14:41
knightwisei work with dev guys but i'm a little bit out of my league there14:41
SwitchesThink last one i watched properly was erm.. one with mhall and popey talking about the ubuntu touch stuff14:42
knightwisehmm.. i have a ubuntu phone14:42
knightwisekinda like it but .. cant rely on it for business use i'm afraid14:42
SwitchesWell its more a "general" dev talk really, not very much coding stuff or that. Plus they answer a few questions towards the end normally14:43
knightwisecool14:43
Switchespopey is the one talking about the OTA updates to ubuntu phone most the time, I don't have an ubuntu phone (yet) but still interesting to listen to14:44
SwitchesIs it not that reliable yet knightwise ?14:45
knightwiseSwitches: been thinking of getting the tablet .. but i'm afraid its not quite "done" yet14:45
knightwiseI think i had some issues with battery life14:46
SwitchesWell it's still early for it I guess, they say it's more "dev" and "geek" focused. It does seem to be coming along great though14:46
knightwiseits still very dev focuesed indeed14:47
knightwiseGotta dash , going home (at the coffee shop for the moment) brb14:47
Switchesok mate, take it steady14:47
SuperEngineerhmmm... old [*very* old] samsung "smart" phone [running Android 2.3.6] no longer allows downloads of apps, won't update, battery won't go above 99%... could it be time to get a replacement I wonder?  :-)16:23
SuperEngineer[YES]16:23
* zmoylan-pi takes SuperEngineer's phone out behind the carphonewarehouse and whacks it with my nokia... :-P16:23
SuperEngineer;-)16:24
SuperEngineer...but the phone has a built in in FM chip... can't find that on others :-(16:25
zmoylan-pidon't worry, my nokia won't be harmed in the incident16:25
daftykinsthat thing'd have so many security issues it's unreal16:25
zmoylan-piwell it is a samsung so it was delivered with security issues :-)16:26
zmoylan-pii thought most android devices still had fm radio?16:26
daftykinspass16:27
zmoylan-picheap huawei i got in tesco does.  positively eats the battery so not very practical16:27
daftykinsnever used it on a phone16:27
daftykinsradio's going the way of the dodo!16:27
zmoylan-pii love me fm radio.  in usa the radio is terrible but in ireland it's excellent16:27
SuperEngineerthey have streaming apps but not [afaik] a built in FM reciever chip16:27
zmoylan-piradio will be around a long time yet.  too useful16:27
daftykinscan't see it being useful portably though16:28
SuperEngineer[please tell me I'm wrong - please]16:28
zmoylan-piand dab while nice is just not portable16:28
zmoylan-piwhat phones are you looking at then?16:28
SuperEngineerI'm looking at my old phone with on board FM chip and radio app ;-)16:30
SuperEngineer...but that is not what I need to be looking at...16:30
zmoylan-pihttp://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_j5-7184.php has a radio16:32
SuperEngineerWant a Nexus, can't [don't want to] afford a Nexus. Legal, decent, honest & useful are my criteria16:33
zmoylan-pihttp://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5_neo-6506.php has a a radio 2/216:34
daftykinswhat do you mean, the Nexus 5X is cheap...16:34
zmoylan-pihttp://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge-7945.php no radio 2/316:34
* daftykins would not buy samsung16:35
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: I was just typing if a question re Galaxy S5.. that was my firt option!16:35
SuperEngineerso if a Galaxy S5x - what should the "x" be? [for on board radio, not rubbish specs, blah, blah...]?  Answers on a postcard [or here will do ;-)  ]16:38
daftykinswat16:39
zmoylan-pi but s5 doesn't have radio.  well that's a bit silly having such a random element to an important feature... http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-6033.php16:39
SuperEngineerkeep hearing [on podcats] about the OnePlus One... but no radio :-(16:40
* zmoylan-pi would be with daftykins though in avoiding samsung... have had 2 devices and both were... buggy16:40
zmoylan-pii did see a little old dear on the bus a few weeks back with a huge smartphone and had her headphone plugged into handheld transistor radio that was same size as the phone :-)16:41
daftykinsXD16:41
zmoylan-pisame model sony radio walkman that i have.  mine is 30 years old but i have seen them still for sale16:42
SuperEngineer*want* radio - it kept me sane during a recent unexpected hospital "extended stay" ffollowing an op that went slightly iffy16:42
daftykins:S16:43
* zmoylan-pi nods. when i went into hospital in 2008 i had 1gb of music in very compressed files and fm radio on nokia n70. a real life saver16:43
SuperEngineer...but want *good* phone thatr won't be outdated next year16:43
daftykinsSuperEngineer: i hope you didn't come out with someones baby16:43
daftykinsah well you're out of luck there, they all suck and are designed to implode now16:44
zmoylan-picongratulations... it's a nokia..,16:44
SuperEngineerdaftykins: s'okay... I found the mother & returned the babs16:44
* SuperEngineer listens to Woodstock soundtrack & thinks... "congratulations... it's a moonbeam"16:45
SuperEngineerwhoop[s... age showing... quick - hide age related incriminations!!!!16:46
daftykins>:)16:46
zmoylan-pipffft, some music on my phone was recorded in 1930s... :-)16:47
SuperEngineer:-)16:47
SuperEngineerzmoylan-pi: hope you didn't record them yourself! if so... well done grandpa16:48
* zmoylan-pi records SuperEngineer's comments on wax cylinder for later revenge purposes... :-P16:50
SuperEngineer[thinks of Ubuntu podcast theme] - & builds bunker to hide from zmoylan-pi's revenge16:51
SuperEngineeroh, my, gawd!... Dear BBC newsfeed headlines: re "A 30-year-old man is shot in the ankles in Londonderry, he is taken to hospital for treatment."   We're not idiots!  Where else did you think we'd assume he was taken after a gunshoy injurt? BHS????17:01
SuperEngineer*guinshot17:01
SuperEngineerhash-tag testes17:02
penguin42SuperEngineer: I guess they've got to do something with BHS17:02
zmoylan-pinah, my favourite was a drug dealer in dublin in 90s who was shot in face with a shotgun after vigialantes got him.  his condition was described as 'comfortablee' in hospital.  i don't there are enough drugs for anyone to be 'comfortable' after that...17:05
SuperEngineer+117:16
diddledanif ya’ll got netflix. watch iZombie17:39
diddledanit’s hilarious17:39
diddledanjust watching ep217:39
daftykinsi dunno, sounds a lot like Apple products and zombie rolled into one... that's two bad things17:50
zmoylan-pior very very expensive zombies...17:51
zmoylan-pion plus side one whack and they shatter into a 1000 pieces...17:53
SuperEngineerbut Apple & zombies have a connection [mwa ha harrr]17:53
SuperEngineerbitey bitey.. your trapped in their world17:54
SuperEngineer@*you're17:55
* zmoylan-pi is reminded of the great episode of malcolm in the middle were dewie is trying to trick reese into there are aliens invading when malcolm tells him he's overthinking it and simply shouts 'reese! zombie!' for him to appear with bat wearing a helmet...17:57
SuperEngineerwhy was the bat wearing a helmet?18:13
zmoylan-pibecause it was deaf of course18:13
daftykinsbut they all are!18:14
zmoylan-pino no they're blind...18:14
DJonesWas it riding a motorbike?18:14
zmoylan-piwe don't allow the blind to ride motorbikes18:16
SuperEngineer:Dso it was playing american football?18:16
SuperEngineer*so18:16
diddledangoogley IO this week IIRC22:01
diddledanwednesday by the looks22:02
daftykins:)22:03
daftykinsTuesday is more exciting! nvidia GTX1080 review embargo lifts ;)22:03
diddledanyou’ve had one to review? :-p22:03
daftykinshah if only, i bought Hitman earlier and have enjoyed seeing 14fps on low22:04
daftykinsi'm waiting to pick a new card22:04
daftykinshuzzah got a refund from amazon... cheeky swines list their 'digital purchases' as all inclusive of VAT, but on going to the checkout, the £40 game remained £4022:16
daftykinsi'm outside the EU so don't pay that... just got £8 back \o/22:16
SwitchesThey tryed to charge you vat outside the uk?22:46
daftykinslots of places do22:47
daftykinswe're second class citizens down here in the Channel Islands22:48
Switcheslol22:48
SwitchesThat's pretty messed up22:48
daftykinsGoogle and MS won't even sell to us...22:49
Switcheswtf22:49
SwitchesThey got some rule against the Channel Islands?22:49
daftykinsyep22:55
daftykinsthey geoip blocked a lot of content on the Google play store to us, too22:56
Switches>.<22:56
daftykinsworked fine to begin with, then someone got in touch to say we want VAT deducted pricing22:56
daftykinsthen they locked us out22:56
SwitchesNow thats messed up22:56
SwitchesYou would think google and ms would be able to that..22:57
daftykinsoh i'm sure they can, we just don't matter enough22:57
daftykinsoh Adobe are the other one, too22:57
daftykinsphone up sales, "VAT ID or we can't do it"22:57
SwitchesOh how nice of them...22:57
daftykinsyep so they take the tax and bank it22:58
SwitchesAnd this from companies who just love to skip paying tax bills.. what a surprise22:59
daftykinsodd coincidence eh?23:00
daftykinsit's like they don't want to do the proper UK gov paperwork or something23:00
Switchesoh yeah..23:00
SwitchesMan that would get up my nose..23:02
SwitchesListening to Knightwise.. didn't know about his podcast, but rarely I search for thing's outside Linux Land (even though his is crossplatform)23:03

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