[06:30] Good morning [06:33] Hi gremble [06:33] How are you theblazehen [06:34] Alright and you gremble ? [06:34] I am well thank you. [06:34] Trying to figure out how I would go about consuming a list from its arse first [06:35] Ah [06:35] * theblazehen wishes bar ones workes [06:35] "For a 25 hour day" [06:36] Haha They have nice nougat though. Although I am not so sure that it is real nougat [06:38] You're finishing with school this year right? Or did you do that last year? [06:40] Finished last year [06:40] Now got an internship and a job.. Lots of work :/ [06:40] Haven't had time to study for quite a while even :( [06:40] That is not bad. As what? [06:41] Internship as a more devopsy kinda thing, and job as a more "normal/traditional" Linux admin + some dev work [06:42] Sounds like you're not doing to bad for yourself. Even if you are very busy :P [06:42] Heh yeah [06:48] Barely managed to break even on work yesterday.. As I go to complete tasks I find new tasks that are dependencies for it.. [06:50] good morning [06:50] theblazehen: does the work flow nicely though? [06:51] good morning magespawn [06:51] hi magespawn. How exactly do you mean by that? [06:51] hi gremble [06:51] This is probably very off-topic, but is it mage-spawn or mages-pawn? haha [06:52] well sometimes the work piles up but there is still a logical/straight path to follow through the pile making easiers to focus on what is happening now [06:52] the first one gremble [06:53] s/easiers/easier [06:58] magespawn: Not always. At the moment theres like 3 different "paths" of things to do or so [07:00] ahh then you have my sympathy for that, but better than being bored ... [07:02] Yeah, it sucks a bit... And true. I'd love to take a day off sometime though :( Like a full day, not just 30 min - 1 hour or so. But that's not happening anytime soon [08:31] Mornings [08:31] maaz tell kilos Nee om ek het nie [08:31] mazal: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [11:24] afternoon everyone [11:24] 15 hours without power [11:25] That is a long time [11:25] Hey Kilos [11:25] hi gremble [11:25] and rather cold outside [11:25] It is somewhat wet and chilly [11:25] Pancake weather, if someone else makes the pancakes [11:26] somewhat [11:26] soup and pancake wheather yeah [11:30] bushtech het julledam bietjie meer water in [11:30] 45mm hier [11:41] Kilos: ons net 23mm gehad. Dwaf update net weekliks so sal hopelik maandag kan sien [11:41] sjoe [11:43] 15 uur! en eksdom brag so hulle probleme is oor hah ha [11:43] hierdie is pta electric [11:44] krag nou weer af en aan gegaan [11:44] ai! [11:46] sug [12:01] times likethis on realises how reliant we are on power [12:01] luckily after many years of camping we have a good supply of gas equipment [12:02] only cold showers kinda suck [12:02] power is one thing but it's gonna get rough when the water fails [12:03] Our water fails quite regularly [12:03] we pump our own and borehole can take another 2 lengths of pipe [12:03] Because we live higher than the supply pipe, if there is a leak, we have no water [12:03] so here no power no water [12:03] eish [12:04] water is life [12:04] same as air [12:05] just imagine some guy in a flat with no water for a week and no water available elsewhere [12:05] sjoe [12:05] something not like hkgk [12:06] what is that [12:07] pm sent [12:07] lol [12:07] before inetpro jumps on me [12:07] he is away [12:08] ohi superfly [12:10] You're like a leopard waiting to pounce. [12:10] just checking you are behaving [12:10] hehe [12:11] sound familiar [12:13] I'm always behaving. You're the one we have to watch. [12:13] haha [13:41] hmm... [13:42] such a noisy channel [13:42] skokkk gee ons n skok en se iets toe! [13:43] ello [13:43] lol [13:43] how things there [13:43] good & u? [13:43] good tooty [13:57] ai! [13:57] storm killed desktop. switches on but no bios even [14:05] ai [14:14] oops [14:14] eina [14:14] yeah and my 64 bit one not the 32bit [14:14] * Kilos cries [14:15] and thats with a surge protector in power line [14:16] I dont have much faith in surge protectors [14:16] nor do i anymore [14:17] still thinking about a double isolation transformer [14:17] things are expensive though [14:17] have you got power out of power suppply? [14:18] yes [14:18] well [14:18] eish [14:18] mouse light shows [14:18] thats not good [14:18] illinvestigate further [14:18] motherboard sigh [14:19] can you see what fried? [14:20] nope will take it out into the sunlight tomorrow if the sun comes out [14:27] drives spin up and cpu fan spins [14:27] reseated ram no change [14:38] have you got some other ram you can swop in? [14:38] nope, only ddr3 i have [14:38] my favourite pc as well [14:39] bummer [14:40] murphy boer hier [14:40] wat kan breek sal breek [14:40] hopefull its the motherboard and not the cpu [14:43] http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/107615.aspx [14:43] i have an asrock h61m-vs3 motherboard that had its pcie slot broken manually [14:43] check bietjie [14:44] i go see [14:44] ty [14:49] i have tried battery and power cable out for 30 mins. now will leave them out overnight [14:49] if still no bios ill start building up this other motherboard and hope my cpu is still ok [14:57] my own fault, should have switched off when storm was still starting [15:11] wb chesedo [15:11] hi inetpro [15:11] haha die mense bang jou ne [15:13] Kilos: ouch! [15:14] Kilos: sorry about the PC [15:14] ty sir [15:14] mense bang, vir wat? [15:14] om dinge te se wat bietjie vuil is [15:14] haha [15:15] uh [15:15] hoe gaan dit boetie [15:15] iemand iets gesê? [15:15] genoeg reen gekry darem? [15:16] hmm.... moet weer gaan kyk, vanoggend 25mm gehad plus gister se 13mm = 38mm [15:17] koud, koud, koud... dit bang my [15:17] dit gaan kwaai koud word nog ek dink [15:28] What is a manually broken PCI slot? [15:29] where you plug the graphics card it the broke that whole plug off so bare connectors were shorting on each other [15:30] Oh alright [15:30] uh, oh, he broke it? [15:31] not me man [15:31] so you got it for free? [15:31] i cut all the pins off and will test with onboard grahics [15:32] the mb yes [15:32] was supposed to fix it for ian [15:32] only serious gamers need graphics cards [15:33] like mazal :-) [15:33] where is he> [15:33] ? [15:33] lol [15:34] btw, talking about graphics, who else is using kvm and other virtualisation here [15:35] i gotta go eat [15:35] wbb [15:35] hmm.... that time already? [15:35] lemme see [15:35] i hear kitchen noises [15:35] no not yet [15:36] too early [15:36] sigh [15:38] kvm-spice is nice these days but still pretty horrible for low bandwidth limitiations [15:41] in other words very nice that we're able run a desktop on a remote system out there but pretty tough on bandwidth [15:42] sjoe [15:44] I just thought, maybe someone has a good solution for me to tone down quality when working on a remote desktop' [15:47] man pages [15:47] hehe [15:47] and google is YOUR friend [15:47] inetpro: What os in the guest? If linux, x2go works well [15:48] hi theblazehen [15:48] Also, try vnc with tight compressions [15:48] you getting cleverer by the day [15:48] hi Kilos [15:48] theblazehen: kubuntu [15:48] Kilos: heh, I knew that stuff like 3 years ago :) [15:48] inetpro: That should work. Might need to turn compositing off though [15:50] theblazehen: can it work over ssh? [16:00] inetpro: It's basically X forwarding over ssh with things to make it go faster [16:01] Works well with a 1 mbit connection, browsing etc [16:01] I see... [16:01] * inetpro googling to find tips on how to use it [16:03] guess I would have to do something on the kvm backend, a pretty standard installation on Ubuntu server 16.04 [16:11] For general use I'd say just check vnc with TIGHT encoding [16:11] It's *okay* [16:13] also thought that was perhaps what I should do [16:15] hopefully one day it will all be much simpler with wayland or mir [16:36] hi urbanslug [16:36] you guys sleep weekends, are you sick [16:37] inetpro do you want to ssh to servers to work on them [16:37] what have you used until now [16:38] Kilos: fortunately I use ssh +90% of the time [16:38] so whats with the new search [16:39] im just trying to understand what you are planning to do [16:39] ssh to a server shouldnt use much should it [16:39] was just playing with running full remote desktop recently, quite nice to see that things have improved since I played with it a few years ago [16:40] text only [16:40] aha [16:40] sadly, it seems we still have a way to go [16:41] what about remmina [16:41] i thinks thats what i tried [16:41] the RDP protocol used for windows still seems to more efficient [16:42] with remmina i had full control of a windows pc [16:42] like having the windows pc on one workspace [16:43] inetpro: VNC? [16:43] Kilos: you don't need remmina for that [16:43] oh what else then inetpro [16:43] ian will be interested [16:43] the standard krdc uses xfreerdp in the backend for connecting to windows [16:44] Maaz tell wolfeyes the standard krdc uses xfreerdp in the backend for connecting to windows [16:44] Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode [16:44] he is forever teamviewing them [16:44] Kilos: press Alt+F2, type krdc and press ENTER [16:45] as far as i know rdp is not that secure [16:45] oh, obviously you tunnel through ssh with that... but I'll leave that as an exercise for yourself to research [16:46] it dont work [16:46] ah okay right [16:46] inetpro to a ssh server on the windows machine? [16:46] i have turned off lots of that little windows stuff [16:46] was typing here supposedly or to debs and that thing opened [16:47] drove me nuts [16:49] oops... krdc: Automatically installed: no [16:49] ok ill install it [16:50] ai! [16:50] krdc is already the newest version. [16:50] opens fine with the launcher [16:52] inetpro: Wayland has no standard for remote display [16:53] From what I can tell, that will be integrated into weston [16:53] Kilos: now all you need is to set it to connect to RDP and set the addresst to: DOMAIN\Username@WindowsHostName [16:53] ian is slowly going linux , kde on stick and on desktop and ubuntu server [16:53] theblazehen: interesting [16:53] An "example" wm/display server or whatever, so kwin would have their own, gnome their own, any other one their own.. No standard :( [16:54] Maaz tell wolfeyes now all you need is to set it to connect to RDP and set the addresst to: DOMAIN\Username@WindowsHostName [16:54] Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode [16:54] No "standard" way for that [16:54] Kilos: obviosly with the windows machine on the local network [16:54] oh no [16:54] Things like multi gpu will also be implemented in the wm or whatever rquivelant is, not in wayland itself :( [16:54] he works all over the transvaal [16:55] I personally don't like wayland [16:55] For me, as much as I don't like all of it, X is still better [16:55] theblazehen: fact is, we're still stuck with X11 and many inefficiencies [16:55] he just needs linux software for all that scanner stuff then by by win [16:56] You can have things like xmodmap, screenshots, multi gpu (admittedly, "not really but with hacks"), different wm etc [16:56] I think the way that the split is done with wayland leaves too much for the wm [16:58] yeah, what we really need is one simple internationally accepted standard [16:59] much easier said than done though [17:06] Yeah. Unfortunately not everyone will agree on what's needed [17:09] not something that one or two individuals can take charge of and fix [17:11] Exactly [17:11] But we'll wait forever for a good solution, so we'll probably have someone do something "good enough" first [17:11] aka wayland [17:12] * theblazehen will be sticking with X, thank you very much [17:13] will be interesting to see whether canonical can actually influence it all with their efforts [17:14] wb chesedo-,... again [17:26] lol [18:00] hi fusionsparc [18:12] So someone asked for a pic of my desktop when I'm getting work done: http://theblazehen.com/scrot_2016.png [18:13] maaz tell andrewlsd you asked for pic of desktop right? http://theblazehen.com/scrot_2016.png [18:13] theblazehen: Righto, I'll tell andrewlsd on freenode [18:19] That is a colossal screen theblazehen haha [18:20] gremble: http://imgur.com/gallery/9qITRRc [18:22] theblazehen, Those are much nicer screens than what you had the last time I saw your setup :P [18:23] gremble: Haha yeah :) Benefits of working almost all the time.. [18:28] I have to work on a pos company computer because I don't have a laptop haha [18:28] Ouch [19:09] theblazehen: nice [19:09] are those on one machine or many? [19:10] night all.sleeptight [19:10] Kilos: good night [19:14] magespawn: 1 machine [19:14] multiple graphics cards? [19:16] magespawn: Nope, 1 GTX 980 [19:17] ahh very nice and other hardware? [19:20] 20 GB ram, 4TB SSHD, 1x GTX 970 in this one [19:21] then router is 2 GB ram, 2.2 GHz dual core, 64 GB ssd [19:21] And VM host was 20TB storage (15 usable), 32 GB ram [19:21] Brother now has my other gtx 970 [19:26] That is quite the rig O.o [19:32] very nice [19:33] so all the screens are one desktop then? [19:36] theblazehen: what OS? [19:36] arch linux on the one picture [19:37] What desktop env. you running theblazehen? [19:45] bushtech: Arch Linux on desktop, had Ubuntu server on vm host, pfSense on router [19:45] fusionsparc: Just AwesomeWM, only wm that does multi monitor workspaces the way I need :/ I'd like to use herbestlufwm or i3 though [19:46] theblazehen: Sheesh makes my head spin [19:46] Nice, that desktop is quite bussy yhough.. :P [19:46] fusionsparc: This isn't even bad.. [19:47] Had skype, 3x mysql cli's, 4 php files, terminal for git commands, php docs, live website all open at the same time before. Live site in multiple browsers even [19:50] hehe...I guess if you customised the DE to suite your workflow, you can be quite productive.. [19:51] fusionsparc: I just wish I could have dynamic tiling though, not just predefined layouts [19:56] bspwm never played nice? [19:57] gremble: too much time to do the config, and can't do my way of tiling anyway [19:57] indeed.. ;-P [19:58] You need a degree to config bspwm, yes. [19:58] And with awesomewm the keybinds are all natural now.. herbestlufwm is closest to what I want in terms of managing the tiling, but can't do workspaces right [19:58] Anyway, I am off. Long day tomorrow [19:59] Same here, enjoy guys.. [20:00] cheers fusionsparc [20:04] theblazehen: and there's me having a giggle at myself with my kvm switch to jump between my 2 servers [20:05] bushtech: I need an ipkvm.. Hard to plug in keyboard / display to router and vm host [20:06] definitely not easy [20:07] unless your router is a computer [20:08] bushtech: Yeah, it is :) old desktop [20:10] hmmm, didn't know you get ip kvm's [20:13] Ouch1 Very expensive! [20:14] bushtech: Yeah..