[06:30] <gremble> Good morning
[06:33] <theblazehen> Hi gremble 
[06:33] <gremble> How are you theblazehen 
[06:34] <theblazehen> Alright and you gremble ?
[06:34] <gremble> I am well thank you.
[06:34] <gremble> Trying to figure out how I would go about consuming a list from its arse first
[06:35] <theblazehen> Ah
[06:35]  * theblazehen wishes bar ones workes
[06:35] <theblazehen> "For a 25 hour day"
[06:36] <gremble> Haha They have nice nougat though. Although I am not so sure that it is real nougat
[06:38] <gremble> You're finishing with school this year right? Or did you do that last year?
[06:40] <theblazehen> Finished last year
[06:40] <theblazehen> Now got an internship and a job.. Lots of work :/
[06:40] <theblazehen> Haven't had time to study for quite a while even :(
[06:40] <gremble> That is not bad. As what?
[06:41] <theblazehen> Internship as a more devopsy kinda thing, and job as a more "normal/traditional" Linux admin + some dev work
[06:42] <gremble> Sounds like you're not doing to bad for yourself. Even if you are very busy :P
[06:42] <theblazehen> Heh yeah
[06:48] <theblazehen> Barely managed to break even on work yesterday.. As I go to complete tasks I find new tasks that are dependencies for it..
[06:50] <magespawn> good morning
[06:50] <magespawn> theblazehen: does the work flow nicely though?
[06:51] <gremble> good morning magespawn 
[06:51] <theblazehen> hi magespawn. How exactly do you mean by that?
[06:51] <magespawn> hi gremble 
[06:51] <gremble> This is probably very off-topic, but is it mage-spawn or mages-pawn? haha
[06:52] <magespawn> well sometimes the work piles up but there is still a logical/straight path to follow through the pile making easiers to focus on what is happening now
[06:52] <magespawn> the first one gremble 
[06:53] <magespawn> s/easiers/easier
[06:58] <theblazehen> magespawn: Not always. At the moment theres like 3 different "paths" of things to do or so
[07:00] <magespawn> ahh then you have my sympathy for that, but better than being bored ...
[07:02] <theblazehen> Yeah, it sucks a bit... And true. I'd love to take a day off sometime though :( Like a full day, not just 30 min - 1 hour or so. But that's not happening anytime soon
[08:31] <mazal> Mornings
[08:31] <mazal> maaz tell kilos Nee om ek het nie
[08:31] <Maaz> mazal: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[11:24] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[11:24] <Kilos> 15 hours without power
[11:25] <gremble> That is a long time 
[11:25] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[11:25] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[11:25] <Kilos> and rather cold outside
[11:25] <gremble> It is somewhat wet and chilly
[11:25] <gremble> Pancake weather, if someone else makes the pancakes
[11:26] <Kilos> somewhat
[11:26] <Kilos> soup and pancake wheather yeah
[11:30] <Kilos> bushtech het julledam bietjie meer water in
[11:30] <Kilos> 45mm hier
[11:41] <bushtech> Kilos: ons net 23mm gehad. Dwaf update net weekliks so sal hopelik maandag kan sien
[11:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:43] <bushtech> 15 uur! en eksdom brag so hulle probleme is oor hah ha
[11:43] <Kilos> hierdie is pta electric
[11:44] <Kilos> krag nou weer af en aan gegaan
[11:44] <Kilos> ai!
[11:46] <bushtech> sug
[12:01] <Kilos> times likethis on realises how reliant we are on power
[12:01] <Kilos> luckily after many years of camping we have a good supply of gas equipment
[12:02] <Kilos> only cold showers kinda suck
[12:02] <bushtech> power is one thing but it's gonna get rough when the water fails
[12:03] <gremble> Our water fails quite regularly 
[12:03] <Kilos> we pump our own and borehole can take another 2 lengths of pipe
[12:03] <gremble> Because we live higher than the supply pipe, if there is a leak, we have no water
[12:03] <Kilos> so here no power no water
[12:03] <Kilos> eish
[12:04] <Kilos> water is life
[12:04] <Kilos> same as air
[12:05] <bushtech> just imagine some guy in a flat with no water for a week and no water available elsewhere
[12:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:05] <bushtech> something not like hkgk
[12:06] <Kilos> what is that
[12:07] <bushtech> pm sent
[12:07] <Kilos> lol
[12:07] <bushtech> before inetpro jumps on me
[12:07] <Kilos> he is away
[12:08] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[12:10] <superfly> You're like a leopard waiting to pounce. 
[12:10] <Kilos> just checking you are behaving
[12:10] <Kilos> hehe
[12:11] <Kilos> sound familiar
[12:13] <superfly> I'm always behaving. You're the one we have to watch. 
[12:13] <Kilos> haha
[13:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:42] <Kilos> such a noisy channel
[13:42] <Kilos> skokkk gee ons n skok en se iets  toe!
[13:43] <skokkk> ello
[13:43] <Kilos> lol
[13:43] <Kilos> how things there
[13:43] <skokkk> good & u?
[13:43] <Kilos> good tooty
[13:57] <Kilos> ai!
[13:57] <Kilos> storm killed desktop. switches on but no bios even
[14:05] <skokkk> ai
[14:14] <bushtech> oops
[14:14] <bushtech> eina
[14:14] <Kilos> yeah and my 64 bit one not the 32bit
[14:14]  * Kilos cries
[14:15] <Kilos> and thats with a surge protector in power line
[14:16] <bushtech> I dont have much faith in surge protectors
[14:16] <Kilos> nor do i anymore
[14:17] <bushtech> still thinking about a double isolation transformer
[14:17] <Kilos> things are expensive though
[14:17] <bushtech> have you got power out of power suppply?
[14:18] <Kilos> yes
[14:18] <Kilos> well 
[14:18] <bushtech> eish
[14:18] <Kilos> mouse light shows
[14:18] <bushtech> thats not good
[14:18] <Kilos> illinvestigate further
[14:18] <Kilos> motherboard sigh
[14:19] <bushtech> can you see what fried?
[14:20] <Kilos> nope will take it out into the sunlight tomorrow if the sun comes out
[14:27] <Kilos> drives spin up and cpu fan spins
[14:27] <Kilos> reseated ram no change
[14:38] <bushtech> have you got some other ram you can swop in?
[14:38] <Kilos> nope, only ddr3 i have
[14:38] <Kilos> my favourite pc as well
[14:39] <bushtech> bummer
[14:40] <Kilos> murphy boer hier
[14:40] <Kilos> wat kan breek sal breek
[14:40] <Kilos> hopefull its the motherboard and not the cpu
[14:43] <bushtech> http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/107615.aspx
[14:43] <Kilos> i have an asrock h61m-vs3 motherboard that had its pcie slot broken manually
[14:43] <bushtech> check bietjie
[14:44] <Kilos> i go see
[14:44] <Kilos> ty
[14:49] <Kilos> i have tried battery and power cable out for 30 mins. now will leave them out overnight
[14:49] <Kilos> if still no bios ill start building up this other motherboard and hope my cpu is still ok
[14:57] <Kilos> my own fault, should have switched off when storm was still starting
[15:11] <inetpro> wb chesedo
[15:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[15:11] <Kilos> haha die mense bang jou ne
[15:13] <inetpro> Kilos: ouch!
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry about the PC
[15:14] <Kilos> ty sir
[15:14] <inetpro> mense bang, vir wat?
[15:14] <Kilos> om dinge te se wat bietjie vuil is
[15:14] <Kilos> haha
[15:15] <inetpro> uh
[15:15] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit boetie
[15:15] <inetpro> iemand iets gesê?
[15:15] <Kilos> genoeg reen gekry darem?
[15:16] <inetpro> hmm.... moet weer gaan kyk, vanoggend 25mm gehad plus gister se 13mm = 38mm
[15:17] <inetpro> koud, koud, koud... dit bang my
[15:17] <Kilos> dit gaan kwaai koud word nog ek dink
[15:28] <gremble> What is a manually broken PCI slot?
[15:29] <Kilos> where you plug the graphics card it the broke that whole plug off so bare connectors were shorting on each other
[15:30] <gremble> Oh alright
[15:30] <inetpro> uh, oh, he broke it?
[15:31] <Kilos> not me man
[15:31] <inetpro> so you got it for free?
[15:31] <Kilos> i cut all the pins off and will test with onboard grahics
[15:32] <Kilos> the mb yes
[15:32] <Kilos> was supposed to fix it for ian
[15:32] <Kilos> only serious gamers need graphics cards
[15:33] <inetpro> like mazal :-)
[15:33] <inetpro> where is he>
[15:33] <inetpro> ?
[15:33] <Kilos> lol
[15:34] <inetpro> btw, talking about graphics, who else is using kvm and other virtualisation here
[15:35] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[15:35] <Kilos> wbb
[15:35] <inetpro> hmm.... that time already?
[15:35] <Kilos> lemme see
[15:35] <Kilos> i hear kitchen noises
[15:35] <Kilos> no not yet
[15:36] <Kilos> too early 
[15:36] <Kilos> sigh
[15:38] <inetpro> kvm-spice is nice these days but still pretty horrible for low bandwidth limitiations
[15:41] <inetpro> in other words very nice that we're able run a desktop on a remote system out there but pretty tough on bandwidth
[15:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:44] <inetpro> I just thought, maybe someone has a good solution for me to tone down quality when working on a remote desktop'
[15:47] <Kilos> man pages
[15:47] <Kilos> hehe
[15:47] <Kilos> and google is YOUR friend
[15:47] <theblazehen> inetpro: What os in the guest? If linux, x2go works well
[15:48] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:48] <theblazehen> Also, try vnc with tight compressions
[15:48] <Kilos> you getting cleverer by the day
[15:48] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[15:48] <inetpro> theblazehen: kubuntu
[15:48] <theblazehen> Kilos: heh, I knew that stuff like 3 years ago :)
[15:48] <theblazehen> inetpro: That should work. Might need to turn compositing off though
[15:50] <inetpro> theblazehen: can it work over ssh?
[16:00] <theblazehen> inetpro: It's basically X forwarding over ssh with things to make it go faster
[16:01] <theblazehen> Works well with a 1 mbit connection, browsing etc
[16:01] <inetpro> I see...
[16:01]  * inetpro googling to find tips on how to use it 
[16:03] <inetpro> guess I would have to do something on the kvm backend, a pretty standard installation on Ubuntu server 16.04
[16:11] <theblazehen> For general use I'd say just check vnc with TIGHT encoding
[16:11] <theblazehen> It's *okay*
[16:13] <inetpro> also thought that was perhaps what I should do
[16:15] <inetpro> hopefully one day it will all be much simpler with wayland or mir
[16:36] <Kilos> hi urbanslug 
[16:36] <Kilos> you guys sleep weekends, are you sick
[16:37] <Kilos> inetpro do you want to ssh to servers to work on them
[16:37] <Kilos> what have you used until now
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: fortunately I use ssh +90% of the time
[16:38] <Kilos> so whats with the new search
[16:39] <Kilos> im just trying to understand what you are planning to do
[16:39] <Kilos> ssh to a server shouldnt use much should it
[16:39] <inetpro> was just playing with running full remote desktop recently, quite nice to see that things have improved since I played with it a few years ago
[16:40] <Kilos> text only
[16:40] <Kilos> aha
[16:40] <inetpro> sadly, it seems we still have a way to go 
[16:41] <Kilos> what about remmina
[16:41] <Kilos> i thinks thats what i tried
[16:41] <inetpro> the RDP protocol used for windows still seems to more efficient
[16:42] <Kilos> with remmina i had full control of a windows pc
[16:42] <Kilos> like having the windows pc on one workspace
[16:43] <magespawn> inetpro: VNC?
[16:43] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't need remmina for that
[16:43] <Kilos> oh what else then inetpro 
[16:43] <Kilos> ian will be interested
[16:43] <inetpro> the standard krdc uses xfreerdp in the backend for connecting to windows 
[16:44] <Kilos> Maaz tell wolfeyes the standard krdc uses xfreerdp in the backend for connecting to windows 
[16:44] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode
[16:44] <Kilos> he is forever teamviewing them
[16:44] <inetpro> Kilos: press Alt+F2, type krdc and press ENTER
[16:45] <magespawn> as far as i know rdp is not that secure
[16:45] <inetpro> oh, obviously you tunnel through ssh with that... but I'll leave that as an exercise for yourself to research
[16:46] <Kilos> it dont work
[16:46] <magespawn> ah okay right
[16:46] <magespawn> inetpro to a ssh server on the windows machine?
[16:46] <Kilos> i have turned off lots of that little windows stuff
[16:46] <Kilos> was typing here supposedly or to debs and that thing opened
[16:47] <Kilos> drove me nuts
[16:49] <inetpro> oops... krdc: Automatically installed: no
[16:49] <Kilos> ok ill install it
[16:50] <Kilos> ai!
[16:50] <Kilos> krdc is already the newest version.
[16:50] <Kilos> opens fine with the launcher
[16:52] <theblazehen> inetpro: Wayland has no standard for remote display
[16:53] <theblazehen> From what I can tell, that will be integrated into weston
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: now all you need is to set it to connect to RDP and set the addresst to: DOMAIN\Username@WindowsHostName
[16:53] <Kilos> ian is slowly going linux , kde on stick and on desktop and ubuntu server
[16:53] <inetpro> theblazehen: interesting
[16:53] <theblazehen> An "example" wm/display server or whatever, so kwin would have their own, gnome their own, any other one their own.. No standard :(
[16:54] <Kilos> Maaz tell wolfeyes now all you need is to set it to connect to RDP and set the addresst to: DOMAIN\Username@WindowsHostName
[16:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Wolfeyes on freenode
[16:54] <theblazehen> No "standard" way for that
[16:54] <inetpro> Kilos: obviosly with the windows machine on the local network
[16:54] <Kilos> oh no
[16:54] <theblazehen> Things like multi gpu will also be implemented in the wm or whatever rquivelant is, not in wayland itself :(
[16:54] <Kilos> he works all over the transvaal
[16:55] <theblazehen> I personally don't like wayland
[16:55] <theblazehen> For me, as much as I don't like all of it, X is still better
[16:55] <inetpro> theblazehen: fact is, we're still stuck with X11 and many inefficiencies 
[16:55] <Kilos> he just needs linux software for all that scanner stuff then by by win
[16:56] <theblazehen> You can have things like xmodmap, screenshots, multi gpu (admittedly, "not really but with hacks"), different wm etc
[16:56] <theblazehen> I think the way that the split is done with wayland leaves too much for the wm
[16:58] <inetpro> yeah, what we really need is one simple internationally accepted standard
[16:59] <inetpro> much easier said than done though
[17:06] <theblazehen> Yeah. Unfortunately not everyone will agree on what's needed
[17:09] <inetpro> not something that one or two individuals can take charge of and fix
[17:11] <theblazehen> Exactly
[17:11] <theblazehen> But we'll wait forever for a good solution, so we'll probably have someone do something "good enough" first
[17:11] <theblazehen> aka wayland
[17:12]  * theblazehen will be sticking with X, thank you very much
[17:13] <inetpro> will be interesting to see whether canonical can actually influence it all with their efforts
[17:14] <inetpro> wb chesedo-,... again
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <Kilos> hi fusionsparc 
[18:12] <theblazehen> So someone asked for a pic of my desktop when I'm getting work done: http://theblazehen.com/scrot_2016.png
[18:13] <theblazehen> maaz tell andrewlsd you asked for pic of desktop right? http://theblazehen.com/scrot_2016.png
[18:13] <Maaz> theblazehen: Righto, I'll tell andrewlsd on freenode
[18:19] <gremble> That is a colossal screen theblazehen haha
[18:20] <theblazehen> gremble: http://imgur.com/gallery/9qITRRc
[18:22] <gremble> theblazehen, Those are much nicer screens than what you had the last time I saw your setup :P
[18:23] <theblazehen> gremble: Haha yeah :) Benefits of working almost all the time..
[18:28] <gremble> I have to work on a pos company computer because I don't have a laptop haha
[18:28] <theblazehen> Ouch
[19:09] <magespawn> theblazehen: nice
[19:09] <magespawn> are those on one machine or many?
[19:10] <Kilos>   night all.sleeptight
[19:10] <magespawn> Kilos: good night
[19:14] <theblazehen> magespawn: 1 machine
[19:14] <magespawn> multiple graphics cards?
[19:16] <theblazehen> magespawn: Nope, 1 GTX 980
[19:17] <magespawn> ahh very nice and other hardware?
[19:20] <theblazehen> 20 GB ram, 4TB SSHD, 1x GTX 970 in this one
[19:21] <theblazehen> then router is 2 GB ram, 2.2 GHz dual core, 64 GB ssd
[19:21] <theblazehen> And VM host was 20TB storage (15 usable), 32 GB ram
[19:21] <theblazehen> Brother now has my other gtx 970
[19:26] <gremble> That is quite the rig O.o
[19:32] <magespawn> very nice
[19:33] <magespawn> so all the screens are one desktop then?
[19:36] <bushtech> theblazehen: what OS?
[19:36] <magespawn> arch linux on the one picture
[19:37] <fusionsparc> What desktop env. you running theblazehen?
[19:45] <theblazehen> bushtech: Arch Linux on desktop, had Ubuntu server on vm host, pfSense on router
[19:45] <theblazehen> fusionsparc: Just AwesomeWM, only wm that does multi monitor workspaces the way I need :/ I'd like to use herbestlufwm or i3 though
[19:46] <bushtech> theblazehen: Sheesh makes my head spin
[19:46] <fusionsparc> Nice, that desktop is quite bussy yhough.. :P
[19:46] <theblazehen> fusionsparc: This isn't even bad..
[19:47] <theblazehen> Had skype, 3x mysql cli's, 4 php files, terminal for git commands, php docs, live website all open at the same time before. Live site in multiple browsers even
[19:50] <fusionsparc> hehe...I guess if you customised the DE to suite your workflow, you can be quite productive..
[19:51] <theblazehen> fusionsparc: I just wish I could have dynamic tiling though, not just predefined layouts
[19:56] <gremble> bspwm never played nice?
[19:57] <theblazehen> gremble: too much time to do the config, and can't do my way of tiling anyway
[19:57] <fusionsparc> indeed.. ;-P
[19:58] <gremble> You need a degree to config bspwm, yes.
[19:58] <theblazehen> And with awesomewm the keybinds are all natural now.. herbestlufwm is closest to what I want in terms of managing the tiling, but can't do workspaces right
[19:58] <gremble> Anyway, I am off. Long day tomorrow
[19:59] <fusionsparc> Same here, enjoy guys.. 
[20:00] <theblazehen> cheers fusionsparc
[20:04] <bushtech> theblazehen: and there's me having a giggle at myself with my kvm switch to jump between my 2 servers
[20:05] <theblazehen> bushtech: I need an ipkvm.. Hard to plug in keyboard / display to router and vm host
[20:06] <bushtech> definitely not easy
[20:07] <bushtech> unless your router is a computer
[20:08] <theblazehen> bushtech: Yeah, it is :) old desktop
[20:10] <bushtech> hmmm, didn't know you get ip kvm's
[20:13] <bushtech> Ouch1 Very expensive!
[20:14] <theblazehen> bushtech: Yeah..