[01:36] <OerHeks> yay 4.6 is out https://lwn.net/Articles/687511/
[01:47] <Bashing-om> ^^ and a whole bunch of long awaited fixes !
[01:48] <OerHeks> usb 3.1 yes
[01:52] <daftykins> 3.1 gen1 and gen2 is the new terminology for 5 and 10Gbps respectively :<
[01:52] <daftykins> just to confuse you
[01:57] <OerHeks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.6-Kernel-Features
[03:06] <Bashing-om> My time to call it . G nite.
[04:31] <dax> nicomachus: i poked Pici about ubot5 and yakkety, he's going to take a look when he's not on the road
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon how are you
[05:57] <baizon> tired
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> what time is it
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> 7h58 here
[05:59] <baizon> lotuspsychje: im awake since 6am
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> oh you early woke and still tired?
[06:00] <baizon> yep, bad weather
[06:01]  * lotuspsychje send a hot strong coffee to baizon 
[06:01] <baizon> thank you lotuspsychje !
[09:43] <suka1> hi
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:55] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[12:00] <BluesKaj> hi EriC^^
[14:24] <nicomachus> dax: thanks. I wasn't too worried about it, just noticed it the other night
[14:31] <nicomachus> sometimes /r/linux4noobs really delivers
[14:31] <nicomachus> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/4jjb37/my_password_doesnt_show_up_in_the_terminal_when_i/
[15:13] <TJ-> !encryption
[15:13] <TJ-> !encrypt
[15:13] <TJ-> !luks
[15:13] <TJ-> !fde
[15:13] <TJ-> so useful.
[15:14] <nicomachus> lol
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[15:50] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> hey hey OerHeks
[15:51] <OerHeks> I am losing weight by the hour \0/
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> whats going on?
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> sick?
[15:52] <OerHeks> forgot to do groceries
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> oh
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> dont forget to eat mate :p
[15:53] <OerHeks> bits and bytes, all i can find today are potatoes, spinach and some roast in the freezer
[15:53] <TJ-> hiya :)
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[15:53] <TJ-> "all" @ OerHeks ! ... that's a feast :)
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: make an oven dish of it
[15:54] <OerHeks> true, with a nice gravy
[15:54] <OerHeks> ..oh, apple sauce too!
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/geary-email-client-is-alive-and-kicking-geary-0-11-0-is-out-with-new-features-504092.shtml
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> !info geary
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> yes yes
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/telegram-snap-package-ubuntu-16-04
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows a better !systemd url we got use for the trigger, so users can learn howto start/stop services?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> current one is bit outdated
[16:08] <OerHeks> having breakfast, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/Food.JPG
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> mmmmm
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> thats for a big hunger :p
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> sure drabber doesnt need to help?
[16:10] <OerHeks> there is more where that came from
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:10] <OerHeks> yes, he offered to be volunteer.. i have his mom and aunt here too
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> this looks like a cool systemd tut: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[16:14] <OerHeks> nice, but i miss systemd-analyze and the bootchart " systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg  "
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> ah
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> also handy to know: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/simple-hack-to-use-skype-web-linux
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> for users that dont wanna mess with skype linux physical install
[16:16] <OerHeks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16463627/
[16:16] <OerHeks> and besides that there are tons more commands
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> we need a better systemd trigger, users keep asking commands in main
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:06] <onyb> Can someone tell me since which Ubuntu version was "upstart" enabled by default?
[17:09] <TJ-> onyb: see https://launchpad.net/upstart
[17:10] <dax> 9.10 to 14.10, I think
[17:10] <dax> !info nethack-curses yakkety
[17:10] <dax> !info nethack-console yakkety
[17:10] <dax> yay
[17:10] <nicomachus> TJ-: so good at support, he does it in two languages
[17:13] <OerHeks> oh, i thought i knew her ..
[17:14] <OerHeks> :-(
[17:14] <onyb> It is 6.10 to 14.10, I guess. Ref: https://launchpad.net/upstart/+packages
[17:14] <onyb> But I am not sure if upstart was the default option, instead of sysvinit.
[17:14] <TJ-> onyb: not sure which release actually shipped it as the init system though
[17:16] <OerHeks> xinit started with maverick 10.10 https://launchpad.net/xinit/+packages
[17:17] <TJ-> onyb: 9.10 alpha 6
[17:21] <Switches> Upstart was the default init from 6.10, it got native bootup in 9.10, and was ended in 15.04 as the default
[17:21] <TJ-> huh?
[17:21] <TJ-> no, it was added to the arrchives for 6.10, but it wasn't the default init until 9.10
[17:22] <onyb> TJ-: So before 9.10 was sysvinit the default guy?
[17:22] <Switches> it was actually the default for the user session in 6.10
[17:24] <Switches> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart its all on there
[17:25] <Switches> "Upstart was first included in Ubuntu in the 6.10 (Edgy Eft) release in late 2006, replacing sysvinit"
[17:30] <onyb> Switches, well the sentence might mean that upstart was meant as a replacement, but wasn't actually enabled by default. I time traveled and found this blog post: https://geeknme.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/getting-started-with-upstart-in-ubuntu
[17:31] <Switches> it was user session only before 9.10, 9.10 it took over the bootup aswell as user sessions
[17:32] <TJ-> it started out as just the init daemon, still using sysvinit scripts
[17:32] <TJ-> 7.10 it took over mounting stuff like lvm, mdadm and so on
[17:33] <TJ-> sorry, 7.04, then by 9.10 all the sysvinit jobs that could be were given upstart equivalents
[17:37] <onyb> I think it was default since 6.10. Here is a post from 2006 mentioning that: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=285015
[17:38] <TJ-> yes, but *only* for the /sbin/init process, no event-based jobs, everything was still sysvinit
[17:38] <TJ-> if you want to know more jusk ask Scott
[17:38] <Switches> For user sessions only (as in when you hit a CLI or UI, it didn't have bootup that was still sysvinit like TJ said.
[17:40] <Switches> But I just saw the question as to when it was default, which as far as most the system apart from boot went was 6.10, 9.10 it took over completely from sysvinit. Debian I think had a big write up about it when they switched to it.
[17:41] <onyb> Switches and TJ- I think I finally got the answer I was looking for.
[17:41] <Switches> Great :)
[17:41] <onyb> Switches, and TJ- Thanks a lot for your help. :)
[17:41] <Switches> No worries, anytime.
[20:38] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[20:38] <TJ-> evening paul :)
[20:38] <pauljw> :)
[20:40] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[20:40] <EriC^^> !find vboxdrv
[20:41] <pauljw> hi EriC^^ :)