[00:33] <prashant13b> hi anyone with wifi problwm
[00:38] <pilne> odd, i don't remember installing kodi
[01:14] <randall> why do people log in, ask a question, then log back out faster than anybody can notice the question and formulate an answer?
[01:23] <nomic> no patience
[02:31] <ubuntu-mate> I had a crash during install. I am attempting to reinstall now to see if it was a fluke but I will supply report if anyone can help me
[02:52] <usedand__> i gave up placebos
[03:08] <usedand__> as if any one cares i just installed u-m on a horrid dell inspreon mini i bought at a pawnshop which had a fake version of windows and would do nothing i put ubuntu mate on its hd i cannot believe what i have now
[04:04] <usedand_> NICK <timrmachinist>
[04:19] <wbill> has anyone got ubuntu error install s for X11 libs it says install  xorg-dev package cant seem to find a ggod pakage for armhf arch..anyone???
[07:22] <chris_> Just uploaded UBmate 16.04 and cannot get my epson printer to install and all the helps are very confusing can anyone help.
[07:36] <YankDownUnder> Hmm...well, didn't wait around long enough...
[08:14] <gordonjcp> YankDownUnder: that's annoying, that
[08:15] <gordonjcp> "hello I have a question" "Hello I need help" "hello I have a question about a printer" <client quit>
[08:15] <gordonjcp> dammit, ma
[08:15] <gordonjcp> *man
[08:15] <gordonjcp> have some patience
[08:18] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, I had an answer for the bloke (or girl) but hey, they up and left...c'est la vie...
[08:19] <YankDownUnder> I shall lose much sleep over not being able to help someone! (NOT) :)
[08:19] <gordonjcp> YankDownUnder: yeah
[08:19] <gordonjcp> well if you're Down Under it must be coming up on your dinnertime anyway
[08:20] <gordonjcp> I wouldn't let it spoil your meal
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, "Tea time" as it were...
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> I shan't. Truly. I shan't. :)
[08:20] <gordonjcp> :-)
[08:22]  * gordonjcp is likely to be Down Under in a couple of months
[08:23] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, Sydney is dangerous. Very.
[08:24] <gordonjcp> ah, I'm going to be in Perth
[08:24] <gordonjcp> what part are you in?
[08:27] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, I'm in the "This is not Perth" area - which is in the far far far east...like the Sydney part of Aussiestraya... :)
[08:27] <gordonjcp> Ah, NSW?
[08:27] <gordonjcp> bit of a hike from Perth, that
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> Slight bit of a distance from Perth...
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> Don't want to try to walk it...
[08:29] <YankDownUnder> Australia is slight large...bordering on "bloody huge"...
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> We kinda laugh about the Western Australia folks here in this state...kinda talk about 'em like they're from a different country altogether...ALL in good fun, but...
[08:55] <gordonjcp> YankDownUnder: it's like the US and Canada turned sideways
[08:57] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, Yep...nearly...close enough...
[08:58] <YankDownUnder> gordonjcp, It's actually a lovely place, bro...I've been here 16 years...reckon it's better than "back home" enough to keep me happy...
[09:06] <gordonjcp> cool
[09:06] <gordonjcp> one of my friends moved over there to work on HPC clusters
[09:07] <gordonjcp> I might be coming over to give him a hand building a couple of holiday houses
[09:08] <gordonjcp> but that's going to be a bit later in the year when the weather's cooler
[12:04] <fifty-sevenC> Printer problems are so much easier to fix on Linux than on Windows normally.
[12:04] <fifty-sevenC> Oh well.
[13:14] <kunz1925shooter> hello all...
[13:17] <gordonjcp> kunz1925shooter: afternoon
[13:18] <kunz1925shooter> good afternoon...gordonjcp
[13:19] <kunz1925shooter> ah,kinda new to this...
[13:19] <kunz1925shooter> just installed mate...
[13:19] <kunz1925shooter> nice
[13:21] <kunz1925shooter> @gordonjcp,may I kindly ask if the I can enable the "cube" thing?
[13:22] <kunz1925shooter> it's been a while since i last used mate...I forgot how to enable it...TIA
[13:22] <gordonjcp> kunz1925shooter: don't use @ signs, it doesn't highlight
[13:22] <gordonjcp> this isn't twitter :-)
[13:22] <gordonjcp> kunz1925shooter: "cube thing"?
[13:23] <kunz1925shooter> oh,my bad..
[13:23] <gordonjcp> what's that?
[13:23] <gordonjcp> no worries
[13:23] <gordonjcp> kunz1925shooter: type gor<tab> and it'll autocomplete :-)
[13:23] <kunz1925shooter> oh,ah...the desktop cube thing?
[13:23] <kunz1925shooter> gordonjcp, right,got it..
[13:24] <Akuli> mentioning someone, like kunz1925shooter is enough :)
[13:24] <gordonjcp> boom
[13:24] <gordonjcp> highlighted
[13:24] <gordonjcp> and this channel turns purple in my statusbar
[13:24] <Akuli> The desktop cube thing is called Compiz
[13:24] <kunz1925shooter> yes! compiz!
[13:24] <gordonjcp> kunz1925shooter: I only played with the desktop cube briefly; I think you need to enable a plugin in compiz-config-settings-manager
[13:24] <kunz1925shooter> that's the one
[13:25] <Akuli> sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:25] <kunz1925shooter> ok,thanks!
[13:25] <Akuli> i may have mistyped something, if it doesn't work try again :)
[13:25] <Akuli> BUT
[13:25] <Akuli> do some settings, and then to test: compiz --replace
[13:25] <Akuli> when THAT works reliably switch to compiz using mate-tweak.
[13:25] <Akuli> not before, otherwise your desktop environment might end up unusable, although we can fix it
[13:26] <kunz1925shooter> ok,I'll give it a go...thanks!
[13:28] <gordonjcp> Akuli: meh, it's more fun when everything's on fire
[13:28] <Akuli> Not to me :)
[13:28] <Akuli> Attempting to compile it on a debian-based distro without breaking the system is fun. :D
[13:42] <dsantos> Hello Akuli! I am back to annoy you with my lack of Ubuntu mate skills ;)
[13:42] <Akuli> Ok :)
[13:43] <Akuli> Were you the one with million partitions and bluetooth issues?
[13:44] <dsantos> Yep! I solve the bluetooth issue. Now just the partitions problem
[13:48] <Akuli> I want the output of df
[13:48] <Akuli> just run "df | nc termbin.com 9999" without quotes on a terminal
[13:51] <chas> I'm using 16.04 on a Dell XPS 13 (L321X) and love it, but i'm noticing a bug in that occasionally, the pointer will freeze. The touchpad still allows for clicking, just not movement. the keyboard is uneffectd. The last two times this occured, Google Chrome was open. Using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to log out will reset functionality. Does anyone knw how to fix this?
[13:52] <dsantos> Here is the answer Akuli: df | nc termbin.com 9999: command not found
[13:52] <Akuli> you put it in ""
[13:52] <Akuli> remove the ""
[13:55] <dsantos> oh,sorry. Here it is http://termbin.com/j7hg
[13:56] <ouroumov> chas, what option are you using under MATE Tweak -> Windows -> Window manager ?
[13:57] <chas> I've been using primarily Marco (software compositor), although it did just happen with the GPU compositor option as wll
[13:57] <Akuli> dsantos, i see, your / partition is almost full :D
[13:58] <ouroumov> chas: compton?
[13:59] <dsantos> Yes, I receive a message every time about this. I want to merge it with the 500 gb partition I created, or transfer everything to it
[13:59] <chas> yes sorry thats what i meant
[13:59] <ouroumov> chas, Some people have reported disappearing mouse cursor following user switches, I guess you're experiencing a different issue?
[13:59] <stefan__> Hello
[14:00] <Akuli> dsantos, your partitions are not next to each other, we can't just merge them. But if you open your disk usage analyzer from the menu, how many percents does it show for your home directory out of everything?
[14:01] <chas> the cursor is there, but it just freezes in place, retaining the ability to click but not move. doesn't seem to be tied to user switches either
[14:01] <stefan__> I installed ubuntu mate 16.04 yesterday. It works fine, except that rhythmbox is closing the window after some minute and I could not find the application on my panels
[14:01] <stefan__> any idea ?
[14:06] <ouroumov> chas, I've browsed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.searchtext=dell+cursor but haven't found something like your issue
[14:06] <ouroumov> chas, maybe you can submit a new bug report?
[14:07] <dsantos> Akuli, usage percentage of home is 100% (13 GB). I receive messages from the system warning that I have only 600 MB left
[14:07] <chas> sure i'll give it a shot
[14:08] <dsantos> but there is another message Akuli. Total filesystem capacity: 551,4 GB (used 12,8 GB. Available: 538,6 GB)
[14:08] <ouroumov> stefan__, hi. Did you try another music player?
[14:09] <Akuli> dsantos, ask someone on #ubuntu to help you add your big partition as /home, give them the url you posted to me earlier and output of "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999" without "", and be patient
[14:10] <dsantos> OK, hope someone listen to me this me...
[14:15] <ouroumov> stefan__, when you say rhythmbox closes the window do you mean it stops playing? Or does it keep playing but you can't access the interface anymore?
[14:15] <stefan__> Hi ouromov, which music player do you recommend? I thought rhythmbox is no 2
[14:15] <stefan__> no 1
[14:15] <stefan__> :)
[14:15] <ouroumov> stefan__, I'm using both VLC and Clementine
[14:15] <stefan__> rhythmbox is playing, but I cannot access the interface
[14:15] <ouroumov> stefan__, go to MATE Tweak
[14:16] <ouroumov> Under interface, check "enable indicators"
[14:16] <ouroumov> And please say if it changes anything
[14:17] <ouroumov> ie rhythmbox should fold under the "sound menu"
[14:18] <stefan__> thx, it works
[14:36] <akshay_> bluetooth is not working..
[14:36] <ouroumov> hi akshay_
[14:36] <ouroumov> akshay_, What's your hardware like?
[14:37] <akshay_> hello, I just moved from windows 10 to mate 16.4...
[14:37] <akshay_> I am just loving it.
[14:37] <akshay_> Asus vivobook s300ca laptop
[14:37] <ouroumov> okay
[14:38] <ouroumov> akshay_, did you do the post-install full system update?
[14:38] <ouroumov> ( Welcome -> Getting Started )
[14:38] <akshay_> Yes..
[14:38] <ouroumov> Okay
[14:39] <ouroumov> And did you install the firmware / driver stuff too?
[14:39] <akshay_> I did reinstall blue man and bluetooth module from synaptic manager.
[14:40] <akshay_> Oh i did not, doing it now from welcome screen.
[14:42] <ouroumov> when it's done, please reboot, try again and come back here to give us an update. :]
[14:46] <akshay_> sure.
[14:53] <akshay_> things have changed after firmwre update
[14:54] <ouroumov> akshay_, for the better?
[14:55] <akshay_> I can make my laptop discoverable, it is able to search my phone but file exchange isn't happening
[15:35] <petrolhead_neel> hello all
[15:35] <petrolhead_neel> loving Ubuntu MATE 16.04 on RPI2
[15:36] <petrolhead_neel> Anyone else on the same boat?
[15:43] <satellit> +1 on rpi3
[15:43] <angel1604lts> excuse me I have a problem with ubuntu does not detect my bluethoot board there are solutions?
[15:51] <ouroumov> hi angel1604lts
[15:52] <ouroumov> angel1604lts, did you install the driver & firmware packages? (Welcome -> Getting Started)
[15:55] <angel1604lts> no ouroumov
[15:57] <angel1604lts> ouroumov,  my board is Ralink 3290 Bluetooth
[16:02] <ouroumov> angel1604lts, if your issue stems from specific hardware, maybe try posting about it on the forum or launchpad
[16:02] <angel1604lts> ok
[17:00] <tiox> Hey there tea leaves.
[17:00] <tiox> I need a bit of experienced help with customizing the Nemo file manager.
[17:01] <tiox> Is there some way to improve how Nemo can view images in UBuntu 16.04?
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> tiox, Nemo?
[17:07] <tiox> Nemo. As in, Cinnamon's FM.
[17:08] <tiox> I did a write-up about how to make it your primary FM in Ubuntu Mate.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg> OK, not sure why you'd want to do that.
[17:09] <tiox> I did it out of preference really, but there are some comfort features that are missing from Caja.
[17:10] <tiox> And I also did it just because. Can't do it in Linux Mint, but can in Ubuntu MATE. Automatic winner for ease of customization, and there's a PPA that lets you have it without Cinnamon deps.
[17:11] <tiox> So there obviously is demand for it.
[17:11] <fifty-sevenC> Oh cool
[17:11] <fifty-sevenC> No more flash on chrome soon
[17:12] <tiox> Adobe Flash or Pepper Flash?
[17:12] <fifty-sevenC> adobe
[17:12] <Akuli> No more flash player anywhere soon, the world will move to HTML5 :)
[17:12] <Akuli> I haven't had flash on my browsers for a few months now
[17:13] <tiox> The problem with that is, all those Flash games...
[17:13] <Akuli> You could get a hobby that doesn't force you to use propertiary software
[17:13] <tiox> There's a LOT of Flash content that's going to no longer work without any version of Flash.
[17:13] <Akuli> Like programming
[17:13] <fifty-sevenC> they are changing it so it won't be advertised to websites as enabled
[17:13] <fifty-sevenC> and you can disable it entirely
[17:14] <fifty-sevenC> and some point won't be on chrome at all
[17:14] <tiox> I can see it now; Once Flash is completely abandoned and unsupported, MORE people will go onto those seedy "Get Flash" websites and be slammed with malware.
[17:15] <tiox> This is a boon for criminals.
[17:16] <nomic> google is abandonig flash (news today)
[17:16] <tiox> If they abandon Pepper entirely... well, I suppose there's th Flash viewer for content if people still want to use that. I wonder how Newgrounds and Kongregate is handling this?
[17:17] <tiox> s/th/the
[17:17] <fifty-sevenC> I've had flashblock installed an on for a long time
[17:18] <fifty-sevenC> I hardly ever notice flash missing
[17:18] <tiox> You can supersede that with NoScript and it'll work to also block various other scripts.
[17:19] <tiox> we're talking about Firefox.
[17:19] <tiox> Provided we're*
[17:19] <fifty-sevenC> I don't want noscript.
[17:19] <tiox> Fair enough. It's super-easy to whitelist websites from the toolbar buttons these days.
[17:20] <fifty-sevenC> flashblock, ublock and ghostery is all the privacy bits
[17:20] <tiox> Not sure how long ago you used it, but NoScript is way more user-friendly than when I first used it.
[17:20] <tiox> (Coming from somebody who use to have both extensions.)
[17:23] <fifty-sevenC> These factory temp agencies are so desperate now
[17:23] <fifty-sevenC> "GREAT HOURS! GREAT PAY!" for less than McDonalds starts now. lool
[17:24] <fifty-sevenC> McDonalds starts at $10 per hour now
[17:26] <fifty-sevenC> I wish there were more linux jobs where I live
[17:26] <fifty-sevenC> Nothing but top secret clearance linux admin positions and it is like 20 agencies all advertising the same position
[17:32] <tiox> Well, here's something you could do; Advertise your own "System conversion services" and get interested people off of Windows 10.
[17:33] <tiox> You can make a USB key with a whole whacktonne of operating systems and help consult with people which one would be right for them, maybe.
[17:34] <fifty-sevenC> I've thought of doing Linux consulting. This area is too rural I think
[17:35] <fifty-sevenC> The nearest LUG is like, 1.5 hours away
[17:36] <fifty-sevenC> The big thing about taking people off windows is keeping their data and figuring out which apps they need
[17:38] <fifty-sevenC> I don't really get how people get into Linux jobs when all anyone wants is Senior admins. They won't even look at a JR.
[17:38] <fifty-sevenC> Also, companies looking for a Bachelors and 7 years experience for an 'entry level' position
[17:39] <tiox> There' a lot of "Knows somebody who knows somebody" stuff that goes on with this kind of work.
[17:41] <fifty-sevenC> I actually did land an interview for one of those top secret Linux Admin position. I was able to answer most of the questions and they agreed to interview me as a Junior. They asked when I could start and when I said "Well I'm unemployed so whenever is best for you" and they quickly got that look on their face from happy to pissed off.
[17:42] <tiox> That makes no sense.
[17:42] <tiox> You answered the questions and proved yourself capable on a sheet of paper, enough so they wanted to put you into something, the moment you say you had no employment at all, they drop you.
[17:43] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah. I even contacted their HR person and asked for feedback and they ignored me
[17:43] <tiox> Like, what, these guys get their jollies off of stealing talent?
[17:43] <fifty-sevenC> I guess so
[17:44] <fifty-sevenC> It was for the Coast Guard/DHS. One of those buildings made just for contractors
[17:44] <fifty-sevenC> ie out of a few hundred people there is like 5 people who work directly for the government
[17:44] <tiox> Maybe you can find a nearby LinuxCon and see if you cannot find a contact there.
[17:45] <fifty-sevenC> Maybe
[17:45] <tiox> Sometimes you just have to lie. Sad to say that, but liars make it in this world.
[17:46] <tiox> SO long you can fib without revealing your level of incompetence, you're a winner.
[17:46] <fifty-sevenC> I am also fairly certain my last employer is talking smack about me. But I can't prove it yet without some of these companies being willing to talk but none will.
[17:46] <fifty-sevenC> It is like "Ok, lets get your verification done" and then I never hear back and they don't answer calls
[17:47] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: then ask the places you've applied to for feedback
[17:47] <fifty-sevenC> I do
[17:47] <fifty-sevenC> They don't ever return calls
[17:47] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: also, get someone to be an "employer", and call your old work for a reference, see what they say
[17:47] <tiox> While completely unrelated, Luke Lafreniere, known more often these days as Linus Sebastian's wingman for Linus Media Group lied his way into working there.
[17:49] <tiox> Didn't have too much experience, though he did stuff with Adobe Premier here or there, did just enough to get the job done and look at where he is.
[17:50] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah. but everything has verification services these days
[17:51] <fifty-sevenC> gordonjcp, you think that would work?
[17:51] <fifty-sevenC> I mean, they can just google a phone number and see it doesn't belong to a buisiness
[17:51] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: no, they can see it doesn't show up on google
[17:51] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: or you could ring from a mobile
[17:51] <gordonjcp> well, s/you/your "employer"/
[17:52] <gordonjcp> just to see what they say
[17:52] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: if you dial out from our wired phones at work, the number that shows up isn't anywhere on google
[17:53] <fifty-sevenC> I know what they told me when I was fired. I have a good idea what they told the unemployement board but I don't know exactly. And they have proven themselves to be some very vindictive people before.
[17:53] <gordonjcp> I could probably set up a VoIP number
[17:53] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah I could just get a burner I suppose
[17:53] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: which country are you in?
[17:53] <fifty-sevenC> USA
[17:53] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: which part?
[17:53] <fifty-sevenC> Virginia
[17:54] <gordonjcp> hm, so kind of halfway up on the right hand side
[17:54] <fifty-sevenC> Yes
[17:54] <fifty-sevenC> I want to move to Austin at some point
[17:55] <gordonjcp> wonder what your old employers would do, if a big scary Scottish guy rang 'em up demanding references and giving them a lesson on how to treat people
[17:56] <fifty-sevenC> Not sure. Last I talked to them they would only talk to me through their legal department
[17:57] <fifty-sevenC> I was fired after my girlfriend at the time went insane and posted a bunch of crazy stuff on facebook, tagged me and my employer in it.
[17:57] <fifty-sevenC> Stuff like I worked for the secret service, I worked with the FBI and church of satan to poison her, etc.
[17:58] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: then if they *are* telling prospective employers untrue or malicious things about you, it's vitally important to get a recording of them doing that
[17:58] <fifty-sevenC> yes, I agree
[17:58] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: and then run a copy of that over to their legal department
[17:58] <gordonjcp> then you watch their faces turn real pale
[17:59] <fifty-sevenC> A friend wants to give me money to go to a lawyer. He worked for them too but it would be a couple months
[18:01] <fifty-sevenC> I could use a spoofcard and call them
[18:15] <fifty-sevenC> I heard at my last job they had to hire 9 people to replace me. I don't know if my friend was just bustin me or what.
[18:31] <fifty-sevenC> What do you think of a Linux Helpdesk company?
[18:36] <mate|39366> hi @all is it possible to use the kubuntu 16.04 "breeze" theme in mate ?
[18:36] <mate|39366> i love the beautiful theme.. but the os is very buggy i dunno
[18:38] <fifty-sevenC> I do not believe KDE and MATE themes are compatible
[18:38] <fifty-sevenC> However, what you can do is open the "Appearance" preferences
[18:39] <fifty-sevenC> From there you can pick a theme and customize it to be more similar
[18:40] <fifty-sevenC> Actually
[18:40] <fifty-sevenC> Is this the same theme? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze-GTK+Theme?content=175995
[20:36] <YankDownUnder> Morning...I've seen a few folks talking about "mate-panel" eating up vast amounts of memory and also randomly changing the arrangement of icons/applets - are there any resolutions to this particular issue as of yet?
[20:55] <Gallomimia> haven't seen that much myself. but i do see them switch monitors on me
[20:57] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, haven't seen that either
[20:57] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, what version of Ubuntu MATE Are you using?
[20:58] <Gallomimia> im not all that sensitive to memory issues on my box tho.
[20:58] <YankDownUnder> In the past two weeks, I've caught a few folks talking about it - that the "mate-panel" randomly re-arranges the layout - and also eats up heaps of memory resource - and as well, changes the amount of "workspaces" that one has...which, as a matter of fact, I cannot seem to change any more - either via the workspace preferences, OR through debconf-editor...which is actually a bit on the strange side...
[21:09] <ouroumov> ... YankDownUnder ?
[21:10] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Si...?
 YankDownUnder, what version of Ubuntu MATE Are you using?
[21:10] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, 16.04 Xenial
[21:11] <ouroumov> OK, with what window manager?
[21:12] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Right now I've just switched to marco...soft/comp
[21:13] <ouroumov> What were you using when you experienced the issue?
[21:16] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, mate-panel, metacity and plank...however, that being said, any of the configurations that I've used in the past like what, three weeks, has had the same result. I've even gone so far as to disable my secondary monitor because - from what some have experirenced - it was the multiple monitor setup that was causing the issue...either which, this is something I've never seen in all of like 18 years of Gnome (and
[21:16] <YankDownUnder> variants)...so it's kinda amusing on one hand and kinda frustrating on the other.
[21:17] <ouroumov> Where can I read the accounts of those other persons experiencing the issue?
[21:17] <johand> Just wanted to drop by and say hello and to say thanx for a great job with Ubuntu-mate! Cheers!
[21:18] <ouroumov> hi johand
[21:18] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Here. This channel.
[21:18] <johand> hi ouroumov !
[21:19] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, let me grep my logs
[21:19] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Coolbeans. I'm not going anywhere any time soon...(God forbid)
[21:25] <ouroumov> So my log say a few people have reported problems with mate-panel, but grepping again for "memory" leaves only your comments YankDownUnder
[21:28] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, here are the currently reported bugs about mate-panel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-panel
[21:29] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Then I shall defer to you on that. Before this reboot, the memory shown in top was 74% by mate-panel...I even killed some apps to try to free some resource, but was unable to do much of anything - and ended up rebooting...even caja was choking...
[21:30] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, I shall go through my logs and get all the pertinent data and file this...(after coffee, after starting work, etc etc etc)
[21:30] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, did you do any special tweaking of your desktop post install?
[21:31] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, my thought was that something else might be screwing with mate-panel, and I was thinking this is the kind of things compiz tend to do
[21:31] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, No, bro...just a straight out normal FRESH install of Xenial-Mate...and was sticking to the "Old Fashioned Gnome2" ideology...wanted to have my "old" desktop...so, nothing special. All "vanilla".
[21:32] <ouroumov> Yeah. I'm using the same default layout YankDownUnder
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, As far as compiz is concerned - it's useless to me, really...nice as it is...I run a lot of vm's for testing and tweaking and such...so it only gets in my way.
[21:33] <ouroumov> Eye-candy is overrated anyway :)
[21:33] <ouroumov> But anyway, yeah, I've no idea what might be causing the issue on your machine
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, it's nice as a "show off what linux can do" kinda thingo for clients...but for ME...usage is important...the rest is just "fluff"
[21:34] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, When the work week is done, I might experiement by blowing out my current login and creating a new user - and all that that entails...but until then, well...not going to muck about too much...don't have time, don't have the initiative...
[21:35] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, when you've installed it did you erase the drive or did you reuse some existing $HOME partition?
[21:36] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Fresh install, bro. I blew out - completely - everything that I had...have my druthers to do that instead of doing "overlay upgrades" as it were...
[21:36] <ouroumov> Yeah so that can't be about old .config files screwing around either. :/
[21:37] <tiox> ouroumov: Compiz doesn't have to be all fluff y'know.
[21:38] <ouroumov> tiox, I'm happy with compton though.
[21:38] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Ah well...it's yet another strange mystery to keep the mind occupied...as long as it doesn't interrupt my actual work, well, I really don't care...more of a nuisance than anything...I can live with a nuisance (or a wife)...same diff.
[21:38] <ouroumov> compton does the only thing I care about (vsync)
[21:38] <tiox> So the whole idea fo zooming out to see all your virtual workspaces and what they are doing isn't a thing you're into hm?
[21:38] <tiox> Understandable. Different strokes and all.
[21:39] <tiox> s/fo/of
[21:39] <ouroumov> YankDownUnder, so yeah when you have the time consider submitting a bug report, describing your setup and your hardware in the process
[21:40] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Yep - later today - after "work" is relatively completed...
[21:40] <ouroumov> tiox, actually I like my workspaces to behave the classical way
[21:41] <ouroumov> tiox, such as: when I switch, taskbar items are updated to reflect the new workspace
[21:45] <YankDownUnder> (Still missing Gnome 1.4.6 after all these years)
[21:53] <tiox> I was around when GNOME 2 was the big deal.
[21:53] <tiox> So of course I like things the GNOME 2 way.
[21:54] <YankDownUnder> tiox, Even to this day, I still "miss" the "Ancient Gnome"...fun things to do with it...
[21:55] <YankDownUnder> ...then again, I also liked olvwm...if that tells you much of anything...
[22:40] <gsivori> anyone around here?
[22:40] <gordonjcp> gsivori: lots of people
[22:40] <gsivori> gordonjcp, we've spoken before lol
[22:41] <gsivori> remember the issue with the bootup?
[22:41] <gsivori> I'm gonna need your help once again
[22:41] <gordonjcp> possibly
[22:41] <gordonjcp> nope
[22:41] <gordonjcp> because I'm going to bed
[22:41] <gordonjcp> it's nearly midnight
[22:42] <gsivori> k
[22:42] <gsivori> thanks though
[22:42] <gsivori> have a good night
[22:43] <gordonjcp> no worries
[22:43] <gordonjcp> maybe if you just ask your *real* question someone will answer
[22:46] <gsivori> here's my issue: is it possible to migrate a linux partition and swap to a windows disk? both physical disks are in my notebook, but the linux one is not working properly
[22:53] <ouroumov> gsivori, how so?
[22:54] <gsivori> ouromov: i'm always running fsck during boot because of disks errors.. its tiresome
[22:55] <alkisg> gsivori: use gparted to resize your windows disk to make free space and clone the partitions to it
[22:55] <ouroumov> Are you sure it's not windows screwing up your other filesystems?
[22:56] <gsivori> windows is on another physical disk, how could that be possible?
[22:56] <alkisg> Which part, to resize the other disk or to copy the partitions?
[22:56] <gsivori> alkisg: the problem is that it won't let me add another primary partition
[22:56] <alkisg> You already have 4 primary partitions?
[22:56] <gsivori> i have 3 on windows
[22:56] <alkisg> What's the output of: sudo lsblk --fs
[22:56] <gsivori> boot, system and data (ntfs all)
[22:57] <alkisg> Put it in pastebin
[22:57] <gsivori> http://pastebin.com/efbQv2kL
[22:58] <alkisg> OK, it should allow you to resize them, and create a big extended partitions, with any number of logical partitions in it
[22:58] <ouroumov> alkisg, that's a cool command. I hadn't noticed the --fs option thanks
[22:58] <alkisg> You can't have more than 4 primary partitions, but you can have 3 primary, 1 extended, and 3 logical inside the extended
[22:58] <alkisg> ouroumov: np :)
[22:59] <gsivori> so i should create an extended partition
[22:59] <alkisg> Yup, unless you don't need a swap and can use a swap file instead
[22:59] <gsivori> but how do i get a swap partition inside that one? also i'd be copying all the data from the sdb1 and sdb2 to that extended one
[22:59] <alkisg> gparted has a clone operation
[22:59] <alkisg> It should work for swap too
[23:00] <gsivori> so first of all, resize and create the extended partition
[23:01] <alkisg> You can manually format a partition to swap by: mkswap -U 38a23ed3-a930-47c0-acbc-a6f3ed20a89d /dev/sda6, but you shouldn't need that
[23:01] <alkisg> Yup, make sure to have enough free space to fit both of your other partitions
[23:02] <alkisg> gsivori: btw, do you see disk errors in `dmesg` or in smart logs?
[23:02] <alkisg> Maybe it's not a hardware failure, but a software failure? (broken file system?)
[23:02] <alkisg> ...like ouroumov said...
[23:02] <gsivori> alkisg: yes i do
[23:02] <gsivori> alkisg: should i pastebin that too?
[23:03] <alkisg> Ah ok then if you see "ata seek error" or "read error" or "buffer io error", then no need
[23:03] <alkisg> Sure, paste it
[23:04] <gsivori> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/kn9KAjUz
[23:04] <gsivori> alkisg: its a lot of output but search for:
[23:04] <gsivori> blk_update_request
[23:05] <alkisg> gsivori: ok yeah seems like a hardware error
[23:05] <alkisg> Note that even if you clone the partition, your data might still have issues
[23:05] <alkisg> E.g. if you copy a broken file, it'll stay broken
[23:05] <gsivori> alkisg: seriously?? woa
[23:06] <gsivori> alkisg: so it's going to be a waste of time
[23:06] <alkisg> A nice command to see the extend of the errors, is "debsums -s"
[23:06] <alkisg> But if it's a new installation, yeah ditch it and start over from scratch
[23:07] <gsivori> it's not that new
[23:07] <gsivori> but i'll be working on my thesis on this installation
[23:07] <gsivori> using matlab and other necessary APIs
[23:08] <gsivori> and can't afford having these issues
[23:08] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install debsums; sudo debsums -s
[23:08] <alkisg> This checks the integrity of many files in the system, using their md5sums
[23:08] <alkisg> If you see that all of them are ok, there's a good chance that your data is ok too
[23:08] <alkisg> If you see that e.g. 2% of them have issues, that's a lot of files, so you should start over
[23:09] <gsivori> alkisg: k thanks
[23:09] <alkisg> You're welcome
[23:09] <gsivori> alkisg: it's taking some time..
[23:09]  * alkisg heads off to bed too... :)