[00:00] please and thanks [00:00] hello Bregma [00:01] have you ever try something like this or have some idea?? [00:05] The only information I have (which is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices) says that the port was abandoned 3 years ago. [00:13] Hmm, libertine-create-container was suspiciously successful-looking this time. [00:19] Hi nhaines, i'll try it [00:24] roma_: you'll try porting Ubuntu to the Galaxy S2? [00:36] i don't know of a current port for the s2 [00:37] whoops was scrolled up [00:55] bregma: I think I have a working libertine container now, thanks :D Now to basically make my own puritine container... [01:33] Acou_Bass: re your comments re xorg / n900 / android. +1 [01:34] I'm also a n900 user pining for Xmir to become workable. I still haven't worked out how to get it going yet. [01:36] the possibilities will really open up once Xmir is working well with easy launcher creation etc. [03:02] hi can i ask how to port xiaomi redmi note 4G to ubuntu touch? [03:04] Xiami: There is this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/ [03:04] thx you but the driver not funtioning [03:31] Anyone attempted a port for Google's Pixel C tablet? [05:39] does ubuntu touch use upstart init system on phones? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-11 testing in progress [09:42] hi.. I am trying to build my first app on ubuntu phone in the ubuntu sdk and I am running Ubuntu 14.04.. The app type is QML App with simple UI (qmake). The framework I chose is Ubuntu-sdk-15.04.5... The kit selected are UbuntuSDK for amd64 and UbuntuSDK for armhf. After all, this when I try to build it (without adding anymore code), it gives an error No rule to make target, Manifest.json needed by first [09:42] Can you please help in this.. [09:54] pavithra: you might want to try #ubuntu-app-devel [09:55] thank you [10:27] redfish, yes [10:46] Anyone here who ordered the meizu 5 pro ? [10:54] crs_: yep [10:55] Did you receive a tracking number? [10:57] crs_: no, jd.com seems a bit useless at that sort of thing, but you can track it anyway if you go to the DHL website and find the "Track by Shipper's Reference" page, then you can use your JD order number to get the tracking info [10:57] Elleo: Or did you receive the device? I am waiting since april 29. And nothing is happening [10:57] crs_: for the UK site that's this page: http://www.dhl.co.uk/en/express/tracking/shippers_reference.html not sure about other ones [10:58] crs_: according to my tracking mine was dispatched on the 12th and is currently in a sorting facility in china [10:58] Elleo: Thank you very much, i will try that [10:59] crs_: no problem :) [11:12] Elleo: I found mine and it has already been in two sort facilities. Currently it is on 'clearance event' [11:15] crs_: you might need to give dhl your contact details, so you can pay VAT/customs charges (annoyingly JD don't include those in the price and don't make it very clear on their website) [11:15] crs_: I got a text from them about that shortly after signing up for tracking updates [11:16] crs_: so not sure if JD are passing on the info properly and it was just a coincidence or if it'd have been stuck in that state had I not given them my details myself [11:17] Elleo: Ok, lets hope that we will receive our devices soon ;) [11:17] crs_: yeah, DHL are estimating delivery on wednesday for mine, so hopefully not too long left to wait :) [11:19] Elleo: Same here. But i doubt that it will get from china to germany in 2 days :P [11:21] yeah, possibly a bit optimistic ;) === JanC is now known as Guest47278 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === pete-woo_ is now known as pete-woods === _salem is now known as salem_ === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:32] Hi everyone! Does anyone know how to access the camera stream? It seems like ubuntu touch uses v4l2 (there are many devices /dev/video*) but I couldn't get it to work with ffmpeg. nexus 5 [15:03] andrew_: what are you trying to do exactly? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [15:13] I'm trying to flash my phone (BQ E5) and I'm currently stuck waiting for it to find the phone? Is the screen with the 3 options the right state to be in? [15:14] (can't say what the options are, as the phone screen has now gone blank...) [15:19] dobey: I just wanted to try streaming from the phone over udp protocol.the microphone input using pulseaudio worked great so I wanted test the camera. so basically I was doing ffmpeg -f v4l2 -i /dev/video* with different devices. I suppose the camera needs to be activated first or it's not intended to be using directly with v4l2 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:23] andrew_: oh ok, i'm not sure what the supported API is for apps to access camera directly. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:39] Hi, guys! I just have one simple question: how to disable pat on ubuntu phone(as factory default) to get 'do not use apt' message on terminal, for example, on 'apt update'? [15:41] ba2095: don't use apt. it is unsupported [15:41] ba2095: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 [15:42] I just tried some time ago(needed node 5.x on a phone), than reflashed my phone, but apt still kind of working [15:43] ba2095: if the device is read-only then you can't use apt [15:43] ba2095: the phone is developed to use click packages from the store not apt [15:44] ba2095: there is no quarentee that you won't break the ability to update if you use apt, also the packages you install will likely get broken if you manage to upgrade. therefore apt is not a recommended way to install packages [15:46] It runs but fais to rewrite/update package source files, do we have a way to get 'do not use apt' default message back? Didnt mind reflashing/data loss. Also, I used chroot env, but as device cant hold ext formatted microcd(seems so) it's kind of painfull for device mem [15:48] ba2095: why are you trying to use apt? [15:49] To install git & node [15:49] Ok, in answer to my previous question, I needed to select the fastboot option [15:50] Also, just got my freeza & it fails updating from ota-9.5(stock) to 10.1, so reflasging using ubuntu-device-flash rigth now [15:51] Now I am getting "exit status 255" when I run ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap [15:51] Any ideas on what this means? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:54] cbaines: it means it exited what are you trying to do? [15:55] I'm trying to reinstall ubuntu on a BQ Aquaris E5 (Ubuntu edition) [15:55] ba2095: see all the comments to you above they will explain how to enable apt which doesn't work on a read-only device [15:56] davmor2, Its the only output I get when I run the command I posted above [15:57] cbaines: you might need the adb enabled recovery image john-mcaleely can you help direct to that for vegeta [15:57] davmor2: I dont need apt anymore, so wondering what is the best way to get rid of all changes made & get as out-of-the-box expirience. Is ubuntu-device-flash with --wipe enough? [15:57] davmor2, cbaines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:58] john-mcaleely:oh nice thanks [15:59] cbaines: grab the recovery image from there and add --recovery-image recovery.img to the end and also add --device vegeta [16:02] Ok, that seems better, but I'm still getting the same cryptic error message [16:02] Shall I try restarting the phone? (if so, how?) [16:03] Ah, running as root works [16:04] (or rather, is working, its downloading now) [16:04] cbaines: are you on trusty? [16:04] Running with sudo does not [16:04] davmor2, No, I don't have an Ubuntu installation to hand, so I installed the necessary packages on Debian Sid [16:05] cbaines: that might be the issue then, you won't have the dbus rules for the phone so it won't know how to adb to it [16:06] cbaines: sudo should get you around that issue though [16:33] Great success, amazing, thanks john-mcaleely and davmor2 :) [16:33] \o/ [16:34] \o/ === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:27] Hello it is my understanding that ota 11 will include miracast. Is that true? And if so , i'd like to know if there is any specific dongle/adapter that is known to work? [18:30] matv1: what device do you have? [18:33] davmor2 i am thinking of getting the meizu pro 5 [18:34] That is what miracast isbeing developed for currently, right? [18:35] matv1: the pro 5 will support aethercast and I assume dongle support will be announced on release of ota11 at a guess [18:40] davmor2 cool! Thnks === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [19:45] does ubuntu touch OS do some kind of special process scheduling a la Android? All I found in the docs was a passing reference: "in Ubuntu Touch apps don't run all the time". Any details? And, is there a way to avoid any foreground/background mode being forced onto my beloved processes? thx. [19:48] redfish: your beloved processes will all be paused when they are in the background, I'm afraid [19:48] indeed [19:49] redfish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5iY2NgaBeY [19:49] redfish: apps are supposed to use the frameworks to do things in the background, such as media hub for playing music etc === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:52] tedg, ubuntu-app-launch's Base::launch() (and other places?) should use ubuntu_app_launch_start_application_async instead of ubuntu_app_launch_start_application. Can you make that (at least) part of your app-object-signals branch? Otherwise the signals may not be handled properly since code is blocking [19:53] mterry: Good point, do you think that we should provide a callback? Or just let the signal be the callback? [19:53] Well, we could use the signal internally. [19:53] tedg, my code so far has been fine with the signal being the callback [19:53] tedg, although I haven't finished updating to the app-object way [19:54] tedg, may have more of an opinion later, but I think a simple addition of _async is enough for now [20:24] [20:26] [20:50] Hi [20:52] What is your recommend? bq M10 vs Meizu Pro 5 vs Wait for powerful tablet [20:52] well the pro 5 is a phone, not a tablet [20:52] hasan: depends [20:52] but it's more powerful than the m10 [20:53] dobey: can't do the screen thing orw hatever for pro 5 I think? [20:53] full convergence? [20:53] i don't think the pro 5 has MHL [20:53] hasan: I have the cheaper tablet the HD [20:53] but aethercast should work [20:53] hasan: and that is a nice device, most have the full HD that have tablet though [20:54] I think Pro 5 is more powerful for convergence(with miracast) [20:54] hasan: I have a MX 4, that was nice, pro 5 is meant to be nice but big [20:54] pro 5 is certainly more powerful than the m10 [20:54] oh popey_ in USAS [20:54] USA [20:55] Currently I have bq E4.5 I hope Miracast works on it fine... [20:56] LibreOffice, Gimp and IDE will be available at store for the phones in the future!? [20:57] hasan: there will be a seperare store for xorg programs it seems [20:57] legacy apps aren't really available in a "store" as it were [20:57] * ogra_ highly doubts you want to run libreoffice or firefox on a 1GB device that already runs a desktop [20:58] ogra_: the 4.5 you mean? [20:58] but yeah, the 4.5 is not powerful, trying to run liberoffice on it might be problematic [20:58] (read: i would be very surprised if the 4.5 or 5 would get any convergence love [20:58] sebsebseb: just before buy Pro 5 or tablet :D [20:58] ) [20:59] it would be a very painful experience [20:59] sebsebseb, yeah [20:59] orga: I hope to Mircast support in OTA11 [21:00] orga: I order Microsoft Wireless Display adapter... [21:00] aethercast totally depends on the HW layer and on having it hooked up there [21:01] i dont think anyone plans to do that for the 4.5 or 5 [21:01] the devices are simply to undepowered for this [21:01] Yeah! Chatter app is really nice, I dont need my MacBook for IRC when I working with my Ubuntu phone [21:02] if it takes minutes for your mouse to move or the app crashhes every 30sec because it eats all raam even without opening something in it, thats a pretty useless effort [21:04] orga: I remembering my old PC before my MacBook 😄 [21:05] 486dx/2? [21:06] Anybody using uDropCabin!? it will be updatd for camera upload that will be added to photos scope!? [21:07] the photos scope doesn't do uploads afaik [21:07] it will just show pictures that are already on dropbox, by querying a new dropbox scope, iiuc [21:09] Account integrate with dropbox is really useful... [21:17] dobey: ogra_ how much RAM or whatever does convergence really need?? [21:17] dobey: ogra_ also it's slow to type with converged firefox or llibre office on my m10 hD, it doesn't quite keep up with my typing speed. is that since the proccesser of the device? [21:17] that's a vague question [21:18] dobey: well I have read and you just said it that 4.5 isn't powerful enough [21:18] for convergence [21:18] no idea about typing speed, too many variables and i haven't got an m10 [21:19] sebsebseb: yes, it's not a powerful processor, and only has 1GB RAM [21:19] dobey: what are the like recommended specs for convergence? [21:19] sebsebseb: what is "convergence" here? [21:20] sebsebseb: displaying unity8 on an external screen is one thing. running massive legacy xorg apps is another thing entirely [21:20] dobey: running xorg apps [21:20] xmir [21:20] libreoffice is obviously a much larger application than many other apps are [21:20] and then the screen stuff is a side thing, aparatplly 4.5 not powerful enough or doens't have hardware [21:20] een the mx4 maybe [21:20] even [21:21] xchat seems to work fine on the m10 here [21:21] i agree :) [21:21] * ogra_ types this in hexchat [21:22] (with Ambiance theme, proper font size etc etc) .... seems to keep up just fine with my typing ... [21:22] popey_: I had a few issues with it [21:22] popey_: but I am also not used to sucky xchat GNOME [21:22] sebsebseb: well, let me put it this way. my mako is idle right now, and 1.2 GB "used" on it [21:23] dobey: yes space is one thing the pshhical space [21:23] dobey: RAM and proccesser is another [21:23] sebsebseb: i didn't mention storage space at all [21:23] libreoffice has its owm toolkit, and is a very "heavy" application [21:24] ignoring that it takes up a lot of disk space [21:24] on a side note I am a bit hmm to funding this, even though it can run Linux to, but with like 32GB SSD space, uhmm there's not going to be much room for anything much I guess, with the internal space: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-intel-z8550-win-10-os-game-console [21:24] http://i.imgur.com/rjbCSul.png [21:25] ogra_: that link didn't work [21:25] imgur.com rickroll [21:25] weird [21:26] just re-opened it here again [21:27] dobey: so 1.2GB taht was RAM? [21:28] image no longer available [21:28] sebsebseb: yes, RAM used by nexus 4 with ubuntu that's just been booted, ran a couple apps, and then sat idle. [21:28] http://i.imgur.com/rjbCSuI.png [21:28] libreoffice takes up almost 200 MB on amd64, just opening writer ui. [21:29] try that one then [21:29] ogra_: ok so the 4.5 is useless for convergence to little RAM? [21:29] plus a slower proccesser? [21:29] but the software optoins will show on it I Guess in some sort of update anyway :d [21:30] wll, making it work is a lot of work [21:30] for convergence [21:30] using an ancient X11-based desktop program is not convergence, it's using a shoe horn to fit an elephant into a Maserati [21:30] nobody will pay for it to have canonical do it [21:30] stop saying "for convergence" [21:30] it is a heavily overloaded term [21:30] bregma: converging an elephant and a maserati, you mean [21:30] oh the two popeys didn't like me saying for convergence :d [21:30] if you wan to do it and send the neccessary patches, they would surely not be refused [21:31] it just doesn't make sense. [21:31] well there's the running old xorg apps thing, and the connecting the divice nto a TV etc thing [21:31] but canonicalsfocus will be on improvinng the devices where it is clearly working [21:31] there are many things [21:31] also stuffs [21:31] and having both things working like a desktop whilst doing that as well [21:35] popey: popey have you got a pro 5, or used one with UBuntu? [21:37] I checking JD store for order Pro 5 but black color not yet available 😖😖 [21:38] hasan: apparnatly there may not be a balck colour it seems [21:38] hasan: or not for a long time if there is going to be [21:38] Oops [21:38] hasan: they were meant to send me Gold for the MX 4 I got a invoice that said Gold, but a phone that was Silver :d [21:39] bq online store is really better than Meizu 😅 [21:39] hasan: so I don't mind buying the MX Pro 5 in Gold when I have money for that, which it seems will be quite a few or more months now, since general spending, other tech I want to buy as well or crowd fund [21:39] hasan: they have two though global and worlside for bq which is a bit confussing [21:39] and the mx 4 was sold from Meizu's own store meizumarkt but yes got to get pro 5 via there partner company JD [21:40] hasan: they didn't re brand the Meizu MX 4 ike what was done with the BQ 4.5 I mean where it says UBuntu edition on the back at least :d. Meizu just re sell there Andrid phones with Ubuntu pre installed instsad [21:40] hasan: it's going to be bigger than the MX 4, but ys the pro 5 should be quite a nice phone [21:40] more powerful than the bq tablet as well [21:41] sebsebseb: my pro 5 arrives next week [21:41] popey: were you going to get one of thos anyway, or was it just mainly since you broke your MX 4? [21:42] So the Ubuntu one is the Meizu Pro 5 not the Pro 6? [21:43] saavento: well there was the Meizzu MX 4 but that's not done anymore [21:43] so it's the Pro 5 for Ubuntu yes [21:43] there will be soon a Pro 6 it seems with Android though when it comes to Meizu [21:43] saavento: I guess Ubuntu is getting a older model again like last time with the MX 4 [21:44] but BQ do that to have something later with Android and Ubuntu goes on something older [21:44] I dream bq X5 ubuntu edition 😄😄 [21:44] but theres only the MX 10 tablets right now so, so both have that Android and Ubuntu [21:44] Oks, I really would buy Pro 6 with Ubuntu [21:44] Pro 5 not so sure [21:44] saavento: sure, but there probaby won't be a Pro 6 with Ubuntu, or if there will be not for another year or so, when that's old [21:44] you see what I mean now [21:44] Yes [21:45] saavento: what don't you like about the pro 5? [21:45] Camera on the Pro 6 is spectacular! [21:45] oh how so? [21:46] Just check the wbsite [21:46] saavento: well I want a pro 5 but not in a rush to buy [21:46] Same here [21:47] saavento: it's kind of clever really, oh got enough old stock left of.... [21:47] ok let's re sell that with Ubuntu! [21:47] He! [21:47] I would not like to give support to such an experiment [21:48] >( [21:48] saavento: what do you mean? [21:49] Selling a flashed Pro 6 [21:49] saavento: well not quite what I meant, I meant the manfacture sold lots of versions of that phone with Android [21:49] have enough stock left [21:49] with something not supported officially [21:49] or can get more made with manufacture chdapply enough if needed [21:49] He! [21:49] and so ok [21:49] Ubuntu [21:49] we can sell more of htose phones now a lot more or quite a lot more but with Ubuntu [21:49] and yes the older phone [21:50] clever aye? [21:50] He! [21:50] saavento: some people think that with the Pro 5 they just had a lot more GOLD phones, hence that being the only colour offered for Ubuntu [21:50] a lot more un sold GOld colour yeah [21:51] saavento: Ubuntu is a second class citizen really if you get what I mean still with the hardware manfaucture [21:51] and who doesnt love gold [21:51] both of them BQ and Meizu [21:51] the slaves who dug it out of the ground [21:51] too soon? [21:51] He! [21:51] however cosindienrg the lack of actsaul market share and the chancd theey took providing Ubuntu on thep hones as the first two companys, well fair enough really [21:52] ogra_: gold, suffice it to say, is /not/ the new black [21:52] ogra_: dobey a Gold phone could be nice to be well a bit differnet from like everyone else, since like everyone else has silver and black [21:52] ogra_: dobey for phones [21:53] ogra_: dobey that's why I wanted my MX 4 in Gold to be diffenret got SILVER instead, and yep I went around places looked at what phones I had and looked like a lot of other peoples phones from the distance hmm [21:53] well if i wanted to carry something that big around with me, i'd carry my ps vita [21:53] dobey, paint it orange then [21:53] dobey: people siad the MX 4 was big, and it's bigish but a good size, apparnatly the PRo 5 is much bigger though so hmm I wonder how big it's going to really be in the hand etc [21:54] dobey: I guess if it's to big use it ike a tablet mostly instead [21:54] ogra_: safety orange, for doing the safety dance, with your safety pants, because you need them to fit it in a pocket [21:54] dobey: not for calls and texts if to big I mean not the going out phone [21:54] without hats though [21:54] sebsebseb: i don't use a tablet [21:55] dobey: yeah but it sonds ike may not really need one for Ubuntu, if the Pro 5 really is as big as some people make it sound out to be :d [21:55] i already have enough things i spend $$$$ for and don't use, i don't need another one :) [21:55] dobey: you sound like the antipopey ;) [21:56] popey you adjusted to the time zone ok enough :d [21:56] mcphail: i'm sure if popey had my hobbies, he'd probably feel the same way :) [21:57] can't exactly set a car on a random shelf in my closet and forget it about [21:57] you mean working for canonical int enough hobby ? [21:57] *isnt [21:57] dobey: you collect them or race them or both? [21:58] build-ish [21:58] not really anywhere to race them [21:58] well, not how i would want to race them anyway [21:58] at least, not near me [21:59] dobey: can I PM you something you might like on that topic? [21:59] sure [22:03] just droppd in to cry about not recieving my pro 5 [22:03] ;( [22:04] mcphail: cool. freenode won't let me message you though, not being "logged in" to services [22:04] sigvard: oh? [22:04] does anyon know what is taking JD is taking so long? [22:04] have you checked the order status on jd.com ? [22:04] sigvard: yep popey 's order [22:04] sigvard: he's delayed jd :d [22:04] dobey: aah. Had to stop the spammers [22:05] ? [22:05] sigvard: I am joking :d [22:05] ah [22:05] hehe thn :) [22:06] thinking about going around th problem, buing a regular pro5, and flashing it ... but it really shouldn't be necessarry [22:07] sigvard: boot stuff may be locked for that [22:07] so maybe you can't really or that easiloy [22:07] yea, but you can by them unlocked [22:07] sigvard: with Android you mean? [22:07] 3$ extra or thereabouts [22:08] yea [22:08] sigvard: what so you can put whatever OS you want on it you mean? [22:08] sigvard: mine arrives this week [22:08] it needs repartitioned, and bootloader has to be unlocked [22:08] popey: maybe it will be in UK before you get back even :d [22:08] apparently the FlyMeOS sucks, but that wouldn't last anyhow... [22:08] mine is supposed to arrive on wed. [22:08] popey: but I suppouse your wife or whatever can sort that out if so :d [22:08] sebsebseb: it already is, I told dhl to hold on to it [22:08] popey: oh [22:09] sigvard: yeah I woudt mind trying out flymeos [22:09] sigvard: but according too ne of the Linux voice guys it sucks or the first version anyway [22:09] one of [22:09] I think there might have been ajn issue with spyware and flyme os and one of the phones even, something I read some wehre [22:10] time to go. later all [22:10] well, i would only by it for the ut, but to each he's own [22:10] l8r [22:10] me too [22:12] * mcphail hopes all the devs won't forget krillin when they receive there new phones [22:12] *their [22:14] mcphail: won't forget what? [22:14] You see. How soon the memory fades [22:14] mcphail: no what did you mean krillin ? [22:15] sebsebseb: bq 4.5. The original. [22:15] mcphail: the 4.5 is old first phone now [22:15] there's been the MX 4 a bit after that [22:15] BQ's own HD 5 as well [22:15] a tabelt and Pro 5 [22:17] sebsebseb: I worry the app and framework optimisations will drop in priority if everyone is running a more capable device [22:17] mcphail: what do yu mean optimistaions? [22:17] app and framwoark optimisations? [22:17] mcphail: what runs on each device yu mean or doesn't ? [22:18] sebsebseb: e.g. fixing the Ubuntu components so apps don't take seconds to load [22:18] mcphail: they will stsill do that I think the slowness stuff try and sort out [22:19] sebsebseb: one thing I've learned about this platform is things tend to get fixed if they are causing the devs an itch. If they have super-powered hardware, the optimisation itch might fade [22:21] * mcphail votes that developer mode should automatically enable a CPU underclock ;) [22:21] mcphail: yeah mean Ubuntu in genral or Linux open source? [22:21] macphail: Interesting [22:21] mcphail: I think getting the conergence stuff mre working properly so without blue tooth mouse and keybaords or usb ones, to type for example, and making it easier to install xorg programs [22:21] mcphail: and having stuff working with tv's and what not nicely whwen connected in desktop mode and such [22:22] is the target now [22:22] and then also to base Ubuntu touch on 16.04 in a while or so as well [22:22] mcphail: and the bq 4.5 won't be able to do some of hte newer stuff it seems, since the hardware isn't poweful enough [22:23] Maybe then we have to wait to the guys from NetBSD to deploy a phone [22:23] :( [22:23] sebsebseb: the 4.5 is a great device. Android zips along on it. [22:23] mcphail: the 4.5 wont be able to do convergence things [22:24] mcphail: I have one to it seems like a nice little phone sure [22:24] saavento: or plasma actiev to become more than just a ROM OS? there's also Salifish OS :d Jolla yeah [22:25] sebsebseb: I suppose, again, that depends on how you define and prioritise convergence [22:25] There is an article on The Verge about the Ubuntu Pro 5 [22:25] they tend to not like Ubuntu [22:26] saavento: I saw one about the tablet being slow etc, from the verge I Think it was [22:26] sebsebseb: the 4.5 has an 32 or 64 bit arm? [22:27] saavento: uhmm 32bit I think not sure [22:27] saavento: 32bit [22:27] So there is the weak point [22:27] saavento: why? [22:27] even the tablet has a 64 [22:27] Just saying [22:28] the question is how they could write that article .... given that the first pro 5 sipments only go out right now [22:28] for the developments cycles [22:28] saavento: and why do you think 64bit would make any difference? [22:28] and there were no devices for the press this time [22:28] mcphail: Just speculating [22:28] the 4.5 will live on being supported, but maybe not as much as other devices, with later OTA updates I guess, and I mean supported as in what actsaully works from those OTA updates on the phones, that's just a guess though [22:28] some stuff requires more powerful hardware yeah [22:28] for any OS really [22:29] 64bit definitely makes a difference ... uses more ram aand power for the apps [22:29] I think the pictures in The verge are from some conf or something [22:29] sebsebseb: there's _nothing_ on UT just now which needs a more powerful device [22:29] yeah, from some prototype demo release [22:30] OTA11 will be the actual release for the pro5 [22:30] yeah I think they got to try one at Mobile world summit or something [22:30] congress [22:30] which was quite a while ago [22:30] (at least two OTAs :) ) [22:32] I saw the test they did in The Verge about the M10 and the editor was more clumsy than the tablet [22:32] even if there are issues, you re having an OTA every six weeks that fixes bits [22:32] indeed OTA updats every six weeks is pretty good reallly [22:32] fast moving sofware :d [22:32] some OTAs will offer a lot more than others as well [22:32] as it should be ... to be seccure [22:32] and to offer new feautres [22:33] I should update my.... [22:33] I am happy with the 10.1 [22:34] with a little bit more like copy paste convergence :) [22:34] then is just perfect for me [22:39] saavento: yep no pshycall keyboard and mouseess needed for convergence, and being able to copy and paste between programs like that [22:39] yep then :) [22:40] sebsebseb, what do you mean by that ? [22:40] ogra_: for xmir [22:40] if i just could copy from pdfreadwe to libre office [22:40] convergence means thaat the native apps adapt to form factor and input device hhandling [22:40] pdfreader [22:40] x apps have abssolutely nothing to do with convergence [22:41] ogra_: probably what popey meant earlier he h heh [22:41] I know [22:41]