| cyberanger | I've decided to finish building a car pc | 00:02 |
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| cyberanger | I'll be a spare parts project for awhile though, budget. | 00:02 |
| minasota | a politically correct car? ... | 00:04 |
| cyberanger | Haha, no carputer (another name for the same thing) a computer in a car, kind of like HTPC is a Home Theatre Personal Computer | 00:08 |
| cyberanger | I'd store my music on it, Navigation software, knowing me APRS and a few other things too. | 00:09 |
| * minasota still prefers actually mechanical linkage for steering... | 00:10 | |
| cyberanger | Same here, I'm not going that far | 00:11 |
| cyberanger | also, I can't even put in an OBD-II reader right now, since I have a device in it for an insurance discount already. | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | Actually I could I guess with a splitter, but I don't know if that would cause an issue with the insurance co's device. | 00:13 |
| minasota | So, how would you secure your pc car to run during a emg threat? | 00:14 |
| minasota | I guess we would all have to rely on hit and miss motors haha | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | I wouldn't, it's non-vital | 00:15 |
| minasota | transportation isn't vital? | 00:16 |
| cyberanger | the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc. | 00:16 |
| minasota | How would you start it? Wouldn't the battery be toast? | 00:17 |
| minasota | alternator, too | 00:18 |
| cyberanger | That's seperate from the carputer though | 00:18 |
| cyberanger | the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc. | 00:18 |
| cyberanger | Trouble is, my oldest vehicle I had was a 88 Ford F-150, still had an ECU and Fuel Injector, eletronic starter and automatic transmission, no way around and EMD event | 00:18 |
| minasota | I still have an 86 ford f150 | 00:19 |
| minasota | But I drive a 2011 now. The 86 is a work in progress | 00:19 |
| cyberanger | Then you have a carburetor, but I think you'd still be shot by the alternator and starter too | 00:20 |
| minasota | Rebuilt transmission and a rebuilt 302. Mostly cosmetic stuff now | 00:20 |
| minasota | No carburetor | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | Really, I was told 88 was the first year with EFI | 00:20 |
| cyberanger | (This case, EFI being Eletronic Fuel Injection) | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | 302 is nice, I had a 302 in mine too | 00:21 |
| minasota | No fuel injection either | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | No carburetor or fuel injection? how's that work? | 00:21 |
| cyberanger | Worst thing with ESD is you might be able to get the car to move, but when your tank is empty, how are you getting fuel? | 00:23 |
| minasota | cache points. | 00:24 |
| minasota | points = locations | 00:24 |
| cyberanger | About to say, even if your station let you use a mechanical pump into their tank, no desiel will be able to move fuel. | 00:24 |
| cyberanger | I mean no semi will move fuel, We've forced DEF for about 10 years now, so I know you'd need a 15-20 year old truck (or a newer Canadian model) to get around that, but there's other components too | 00:26 |
| minasota | There's really no way I can think of in the event something fries all electrical components | 00:27 |
| minasota | No matter how old the vehicle is, it wont run | 00:27 |
| cyberanger | An older Mustang with a stick shift could, provided they are using an older mechanical fuel pump. | 00:28 |
| cyberanger | I think after an EMP though I'd rely more on desiel, I think the locomotives are still fairly mechanical | 00:28 |
| minasota | An older mustang would still need to be started some how. | 00:29 |
| cyberanger | Push start, why I emphasised standard transmission | 00:29 |
| minasota | getting a rolling start and "pooping the clutch" won't work | 00:30 |
| minasota | lol, * popping | 00:30 |
| cyberanger | I'm guessing your talking about a lack of power to ignite the fuel with spark plugs | 00:31 |
| minasota | hmmm, how would you create combustion without a spark? | 00:32 |
| cyberanger | You wouldn't, but spark plugs wouldn't be dead by an EMP, the eletronic ignition system behind it would be | 00:35 |
| cyberanger | I also don't think the battery would be, if I understand the mechanics right | 00:35 |
| minasota | What about the alternator? | 00:38 |
| cyberanger | Thing is, from what I've heard, the 67 Mustang, with original parts (or carefully selected replacements) would be a mechanical fuel pump, carburetor and Mechanically timed ignition | 00:39 |
| cyberanger | That would be the one part I'm not 100% sure on, my guess is it'd be dead, but that'd just limit range to when the battery goes | 00:40 |
| minasota | So a couple of spare batteries and some fuel caches and you should be gtg | 00:41 |
| cyberanger | Also, I could see range and size of the EMP playing a role, I'm presuming less than a direct hit and terrain further limiting damage for both of us. | 00:42 |
| cyberanger | Also, it's why I'd really favor a dual sport motorcycle anyway | 00:43 |
| cyberanger | especially a kick start | 00:43 |
| minasota | ^ | 00:43 |
| cyberanger | I think even more modern cars, could survive a less than direct hit | 00:44 |
| minasota | Honestly, I don't feel comfortable with the route modern cars are taking | 00:46 |
| minasota | Too much to go wrong, too much reliance on software | 00:46 |
| minasota | Plus, you can't freaking work on them. A little dramatic maybe, but I guess the days of people actually wanting to maintain their own vehicles is coming to an end | 00:48 |
| cyberanger | Short of the UK and Ireland, I don't hear of too many places where the stick shift holds a majority, and trucking here is about to go into Auto-Manual transmissions too | 00:49 |
| minasota | I saw a commercial for the new Caravan that backs in and parks for the driver... In 20yrs no one will know how to actually drive. | 00:50 |
| wrst | cyberanger: I was talking with some drivers from my company a few days ago and all their new trucks are automatic | 00:51 |
| wrst | minasota: you could argue no one knows how to drive now :) | 00:51 |
| * cyberanger facepalms | 00:51 | |
| cyberanger | I do argue that nobody can drive now, but I see minasota's point, self driving cars. | 00:51 |
| minasota | I judge diluting the human element in all things only leads dependency... | 00:54 |
| minasota | *to | 00:54 |
| cyberanger | I've tried to read up on Starfish Prime, Soviet Test 184 , along with the stuff we do at White Sands, and some ORNL research on it, quite intresting and actually modern cars aren't as bad as we think either | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | the metallic bodies, short wiring, other features that could mean my current 1998 Ford escort could survive even with EFI, EI and other eletronic systems. | 00:56 |
| cyberanger | again, provided depends on the EMP too | 00:56 |
| minasota | It's just not the tech in cars, it's this whole concept of convenience provided by tech. Things happen and sometimes tech doesn't work... There's a generation right now that can't find their way home unless siri tells them the way | 00:57 |
| wrst | minasota: yes I agree, people don't know how their devices work, that's a bit scary | 00:58 |
| wrst | if it is a car or a phone | 00:58 |
| wrst | I like to know I can do some basic repairs | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | minasota: yeah, my generation, I just break the mold | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | My generation can't read a map, I can | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | My issue nowadays is sectional charts, but on the ground that doesn't matter much. | 01:00 |
| minasota | I just keep being reminded of a book I read a long time ago. "The Illustrated Man" | 01:00 |
| minasota | First couple of chapters resonate. | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | Wells or Ellison | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | Oh wait, that's Invisible Man | 01:02 |
| minasota | Bradbury | 01:02 |
| minasota | Considering the book is from the 1950's... kind of... not sure what word I'm looking for. Insightful? | 01:03 |
| cyberanger | Yeah, I have read at least some of that too. back in college (I wish it wasn't my free time, but rather required reading) | 01:03 |
| cyberanger | Well, look at Orwell, nowadays I'd say he was an optimist | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | Or Issac Asimov's three laws | 01:04 |
| cyberanger | minasota: Insightful, I might even push for prophetic in some respects | 01:07 |
| minasota | I agree | 01:07 |
| minasota | scary times we're in | 01:08 |
| cyberanger | Yep | 01:12 |
| minasota | We have the ability to be "connected" as a whole, like no other time in history, But we are not connected. We are social being by nature. We require interaction that is tangible | 01:12 |
| minasota | Also, once technology takes care of everything for us (a bit extreme, I know) where is our sense of accomplishment? | 01:15 |
| cyberanger | I know right | 01:17 |
| minasota | When I was a kid, if I said something hurtful to someone I experienced it. I saw their reaction, on all senses. Now, kids can blast a text and not know the rawness of it. They don;t experience the realness of their words. | 01:20 |
| minasota | Same for adults | 01:20 |
| minasota | Technology has made us somewhat calloused | 01:21 |
| cyberanger | Yeah, recently dealt with that firsthand | 01:21 |
| minasota | and dependant | 01:21 |
| minasota | So the question I ask some people is "How has technology enriched your life lately? | 01:24 |
| * minasota promises he is not going to the woods with an old typewriter to write a manifesto lol | 01:24 | |
| minasota | I'm actually trying to learn emacs atm. This thing is almost like a freaking OS by itself | 01:27 |
| cyberanger | Ted Kaczynski settled for a shed | 01:27 |
| * cyberanger couldn't resist. | 01:27 | |
| minasota | haha, I knew you would pick up on that | 01:28 |
| minasota | Most people know him as... | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | The Unibomber | 01:29 |
| cyberanger | or the one crazy guy the CIA actually did dose with LSD | 01:30 |
| minasota | haha, the CIA never dosed anyone with lsd.... | 01:30 |
| cyberanger | MKUltra | 01:30 |
| minasota | I'm pretty sure we have used all the "key" words to be be officially monitored now lol | 01:31 |
| cyberanger | Nope, there's still a few more | 01:33 |
| cyberanger | Want me to share them? Here's a few..... | 01:33 |
| * minasota connects to vpn... | 01:36 | |
| cyberanger | lol | 01:38 |
| minasota | calling it a night. Later cyberanger wrst | 01:40 |
| wrst | good night minasota | 01:40 |
| cyberanger | Take care minasota | 01:43 |
| * cyberanger sees his testing VM has an issue. | 01:44 | |
| cyberanger | Eh, that is the issue with testing in a VM sometimes | 02:05 |
| cyberanger | Sometimes you just need hardware. | 02:05 |
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