[00:02] <cyberanger> I've decided to finish building a car pc
[00:02] <cyberanger> I'll be a spare parts project for awhile though, budget.
[00:04] <minasota> a politically correct car? ...
[00:08] <cyberanger> Haha, no carputer (another name for the same thing) a computer in a car, kind of like HTPC is a Home Theatre Personal Computer
[00:09] <cyberanger> I'd store my music on it, Navigation software, knowing me APRS and a few other things too.
[00:10]  * minasota still prefers actually mechanical linkage for steering...
[00:11] <cyberanger> Same here, I'm not going that far
[00:12] <cyberanger> also, I can't even put in an OBD-II reader right now, since I have a device in it for an insurance discount already.
[00:13] <cyberanger> Actually I could I guess with a splitter, but I don't know if that would cause an issue with the insurance co's device.
[00:14] <minasota> So, how would you secure your pc car to run during a emg threat?
[00:15] <minasota> I guess we would all have to rely on hit and miss motors haha
[00:15] <cyberanger> I wouldn't, it's non-vital
[00:16] <minasota> transportation isn't vital?
[00:16] <cyberanger> the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc.
[00:17] <minasota> How would you start it? Wouldn't the battery be toast?
[00:18] <minasota> alternator, too
[00:18] <cyberanger> That's seperate from the carputer though
[00:18] <cyberanger> the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc.
[00:18] <cyberanger> Trouble is, my oldest vehicle I had was a 88 Ford F-150, still had an ECU and Fuel Injector, eletronic starter and automatic transmission, no way around and EMD event
[00:19] <minasota> I still have an 86 ford f150
[00:19] <minasota> But I drive a 2011 now. The 86 is a work in progress
[00:20] <cyberanger> Then you have a carburetor, but I think you'd still be shot by the alternator and starter too
[00:20] <minasota> Rebuilt transmission and a rebuilt 302. Mostly cosmetic stuff now
[00:20] <minasota> No carburetor
[00:20] <cyberanger> Really, I was told 88 was the first year with EFI
[00:21] <cyberanger> (This case, EFI being Eletronic Fuel Injection)
[00:21] <cyberanger> 302 is nice, I had a 302 in mine too
[00:21] <minasota> No fuel injection either
[00:21] <cyberanger> No carburetor or fuel injection? how's that work?
[00:23] <cyberanger> Worst thing with ESD is you might be able to get the car to move, but when your tank is empty, how are you getting fuel?
[00:24] <minasota> cache points.
[00:24] <minasota> points = locations
[00:24] <cyberanger> About to say, even if your station let you use a mechanical pump into their tank, no desiel will be able to move fuel.
[00:26] <cyberanger> I mean no semi will move fuel, We've forced DEF for about 10 years now, so I know you'd need a 15-20 year old truck (or a newer Canadian model) to get around that, but there's other components too
[00:27] <minasota> There's really no way I can think of in the event something fries all electrical components
[00:27] <minasota> No matter how old the vehicle is, it wont run
[00:28] <cyberanger> An older Mustang with a stick shift could, provided they are using an older mechanical fuel pump.
[00:28] <cyberanger> I think after an EMP though I'd rely more on desiel, I think the locomotives are still fairly mechanical
[00:29] <minasota> An older mustang would still need to be started some how.
[00:29] <cyberanger> Push start, why I emphasised standard transmission
[00:30] <minasota> getting a rolling start and "pooping the clutch" won't work
[00:30] <minasota> lol, * popping
[00:31] <cyberanger> I'm guessing your talking about a lack of power to ignite the fuel with spark plugs
[00:32] <minasota> hmmm, how would you create combustion without a spark?
[00:35] <cyberanger> You wouldn't, but spark plugs wouldn't be dead by an EMP, the eletronic ignition system behind it would be
[00:35] <cyberanger> I also don't think the battery would be, if I understand the mechanics right
[00:38] <minasota> What about the alternator?
[00:39] <cyberanger> Thing is, from what I've heard, the 67 Mustang, with original parts (or carefully selected replacements) would be a mechanical fuel pump, carburetor and Mechanically timed ignition
[00:40] <cyberanger> That would be the one part I'm not 100% sure on, my guess is it'd be dead, but that'd just limit range to when the battery goes
[00:41] <minasota> So a couple of spare batteries and some fuel caches and you should be gtg
[00:42] <cyberanger> Also, I could see range and size of the EMP playing a role, I'm presuming less than a direct hit and terrain further limiting damage for both of us.
[00:43] <cyberanger> Also, it's why I'd really favor a dual sport motorcycle anyway
[00:43] <cyberanger> especially a kick start
[00:43] <minasota> ^
[00:44] <cyberanger> I think even more modern cars, could survive a less than direct hit
[00:46] <minasota> Honestly, I don't feel comfortable with the route modern cars are taking
[00:46] <minasota> Too much to go wrong, too much reliance on software
[00:48] <minasota> Plus, you can't freaking work on them. A little dramatic maybe, but I guess the days of people actually wanting to maintain their own vehicles is coming to an end
[00:49] <cyberanger> Short of the UK and Ireland, I don't hear of too many places where the stick shift holds a majority, and trucking here is about to go into Auto-Manual transmissions too
[00:50] <minasota> I saw a commercial for the new Caravan that backs in and parks for the driver... In 20yrs no one will know how to actually drive.
[00:51] <wrst> cyberanger: I was talking with some drivers from my company a few days ago and all their new trucks are automatic
[00:51] <wrst> minasota: you could argue no one knows how to drive now :)
[00:51]  * cyberanger facepalms
[00:51] <cyberanger> I do argue that nobody can drive now, but I see minasota's point, self driving cars.
[00:54] <minasota> I judge diluting the human element in all things only leads dependency...
[00:54] <minasota> *to
[00:55] <cyberanger> I've tried to read up on Starfish Prime, Soviet Test 184 , along with the stuff we do at White Sands, and some ORNL research on it, quite intresting and actually modern cars aren't as bad as we think either
[00:56] <cyberanger> the metallic bodies, short wiring, other features that could mean my current 1998 Ford escort could survive even with EFI, EI and other eletronic systems.
[00:56] <cyberanger> again, provided depends on the EMP too
[00:57] <minasota> It's just not the tech in cars, it's this whole concept of convenience provided by tech. Things happen and sometimes tech doesn't work... There's a generation right now that can't find their way home unless siri tells them the way
[00:58] <wrst> minasota: yes I agree, people don't know how their devices work, that's a bit scary
[00:58] <wrst> if it is a car or a phone
[00:59] <wrst> I like to know I can do some basic repairs
[00:59] <cyberanger> minasota: yeah, my generation, I just break the mold
[00:59] <cyberanger> My generation can't read a map, I can
[01:00] <cyberanger> My issue nowadays is sectional charts, but on the ground that doesn't matter much.
[01:00] <minasota> I just keep being reminded of a book I read a long time ago. "The Illustrated Man"
[01:01] <minasota> First couple of chapters resonate.
[01:01] <cyberanger> Wells or Ellison
[01:02] <cyberanger> Oh wait, that's Invisible Man
[01:02] <minasota> Bradbury
[01:03] <minasota> Considering the book is from the 1950's... kind of... not sure what word I'm looking for. Insightful?
[01:03] <cyberanger> Yeah, I have read at least some of that too. back in college (I wish it wasn't my free time, but rather required reading)
[01:04] <cyberanger> Well, look at Orwell, nowadays I'd say he was an optimist
[01:04] <cyberanger> Or Issac Asimov's three laws
[01:07] <cyberanger> minasota: Insightful, I might even push for prophetic in some respects
[01:07] <minasota> I agree
[01:08] <minasota> scary times we're in
[01:12] <cyberanger> Yep
[01:12] <minasota> We have the ability to be "connected" as a whole, like no other time in history, But we are not connected. We are social being by nature. We require interaction that is tangible
[01:15] <minasota> Also, once technology takes care of everything for us (a bit extreme, I know) where is our sense of accomplishment?
[01:17] <cyberanger> I know right
[01:20] <minasota> When I was a kid, if I said something hurtful to someone I experienced it. I saw their reaction, on all senses. Now, kids can blast a text and not know the rawness of it. They don;t experience the realness of their words.
[01:20] <minasota> Same for adults
[01:21] <minasota> Technology has made us somewhat calloused
[01:21] <cyberanger> Yeah, recently dealt with that firsthand
[01:21] <minasota> and dependant
[01:24] <minasota> So the question I ask some people is "How has technology enriched your life lately?
[01:24]  * minasota promises he is not going to the woods with an old typewriter to write a manifesto lol
[01:27] <minasota> I'm actually trying to learn emacs atm. This thing is almost like a freaking OS by itself
[01:27] <cyberanger> Ted Kaczynski settled for a shed
[01:27]  * cyberanger couldn't resist.
[01:28] <minasota> haha, I knew you would pick up on that
[01:28] <minasota> Most people know him as...
[01:29] <cyberanger> The Unibomber
[01:30] <cyberanger> or the one crazy guy the CIA actually did dose with LSD
[01:30] <minasota> haha, the CIA never dosed anyone with lsd....
[01:30] <cyberanger> MKUltra
[01:31] <minasota> I'm pretty sure we have used all the "key" words to be be officially monitored now lol
[01:33] <cyberanger> Nope, there's still a few more
[01:33] <cyberanger> Want me to share them? Here's a few.....
[01:36]  * minasota connects to vpn...
[01:38] <cyberanger> lol
[01:40] <minasota> calling it a night. Later cyberanger wrst
[01:40] <wrst> good night minasota
[01:43] <cyberanger> Take care minasota
[01:44]  * cyberanger sees his testing VM has an issue.
[02:05] <cyberanger> Eh, that is the issue with testing in a VM sometimes
[02:05] <cyberanger> Sometimes you just need hardware.