[00:02] I've decided to finish building a car pc [00:02] I'll be a spare parts project for awhile though, budget. [00:04] a politically correct car? ... [00:08] Haha, no carputer (another name for the same thing) a computer in a car, kind of like HTPC is a Home Theatre Personal Computer [00:09] I'd store my music on it, Navigation software, knowing me APRS and a few other things too. [00:10] * minasota still prefers actually mechanical linkage for steering... [00:11] Same here, I'm not going that far [00:12] also, I can't even put in an OBD-II reader right now, since I have a device in it for an insurance discount already. [00:13] Actually I could I guess with a splitter, but I don't know if that would cause an issue with the insurance co's device. [00:14] So, how would you secure your pc car to run during a emg threat? [00:15] I guess we would all have to rely on hit and miss motors haha [00:15] I wouldn't, it's non-vital [00:16] transportation isn't vital? [00:16] the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc. [00:17] How would you start it? Wouldn't the battery be toast? [00:18] alternator, too [00:18] That's seperate from the carputer though [00:18] the carputer isn't, if the psu or hard drive died, I could still drive, just no music from it, or using it's GPS, etc. [00:18] Trouble is, my oldest vehicle I had was a 88 Ford F-150, still had an ECU and Fuel Injector, eletronic starter and automatic transmission, no way around and EMD event [00:19] I still have an 86 ford f150 [00:19] But I drive a 2011 now. The 86 is a work in progress [00:20] Then you have a carburetor, but I think you'd still be shot by the alternator and starter too [00:20] Rebuilt transmission and a rebuilt 302. Mostly cosmetic stuff now [00:20] No carburetor [00:20] Really, I was told 88 was the first year with EFI [00:21] (This case, EFI being Eletronic Fuel Injection) [00:21] 302 is nice, I had a 302 in mine too [00:21] No fuel injection either [00:21] No carburetor or fuel injection? how's that work? [00:23] Worst thing with ESD is you might be able to get the car to move, but when your tank is empty, how are you getting fuel? [00:24] cache points. [00:24] points = locations [00:24] About to say, even if your station let you use a mechanical pump into their tank, no desiel will be able to move fuel. [00:26] I mean no semi will move fuel, We've forced DEF for about 10 years now, so I know you'd need a 15-20 year old truck (or a newer Canadian model) to get around that, but there's other components too [00:27] There's really no way I can think of in the event something fries all electrical components [00:27] No matter how old the vehicle is, it wont run [00:28] An older Mustang with a stick shift could, provided they are using an older mechanical fuel pump. [00:28] I think after an EMP though I'd rely more on desiel, I think the locomotives are still fairly mechanical [00:29] An older mustang would still need to be started some how. [00:29] Push start, why I emphasised standard transmission [00:30] getting a rolling start and "pooping the clutch" won't work [00:30] lol, * popping [00:31] I'm guessing your talking about a lack of power to ignite the fuel with spark plugs [00:32] hmmm, how would you create combustion without a spark? [00:35] You wouldn't, but spark plugs wouldn't be dead by an EMP, the eletronic ignition system behind it would be [00:35] I also don't think the battery would be, if I understand the mechanics right [00:38] What about the alternator? [00:39] Thing is, from what I've heard, the 67 Mustang, with original parts (or carefully selected replacements) would be a mechanical fuel pump, carburetor and Mechanically timed ignition [00:40] That would be the one part I'm not 100% sure on, my guess is it'd be dead, but that'd just limit range to when the battery goes [00:41] So a couple of spare batteries and some fuel caches and you should be gtg [00:42] Also, I could see range and size of the EMP playing a role, I'm presuming less than a direct hit and terrain further limiting damage for both of us. [00:43] Also, it's why I'd really favor a dual sport motorcycle anyway [00:43] especially a kick start [00:43] ^ [00:44] I think even more modern cars, could survive a less than direct hit [00:46] Honestly, I don't feel comfortable with the route modern cars are taking [00:46] Too much to go wrong, too much reliance on software [00:48] Plus, you can't freaking work on them. A little dramatic maybe, but I guess the days of people actually wanting to maintain their own vehicles is coming to an end [00:49] Short of the UK and Ireland, I don't hear of too many places where the stick shift holds a majority, and trucking here is about to go into Auto-Manual transmissions too [00:50] I saw a commercial for the new Caravan that backs in and parks for the driver... In 20yrs no one will know how to actually drive. [00:51] cyberanger: I was talking with some drivers from my company a few days ago and all their new trucks are automatic [00:51] minasota: you could argue no one knows how to drive now :) [00:51] * cyberanger facepalms [00:51] I do argue that nobody can drive now, but I see minasota's point, self driving cars. [00:54] I judge diluting the human element in all things only leads dependency... [00:54] *to [00:55] I've tried to read up on Starfish Prime, Soviet Test 184 , along with the stuff we do at White Sands, and some ORNL research on it, quite intresting and actually modern cars aren't as bad as we think either [00:56] the metallic bodies, short wiring, other features that could mean my current 1998 Ford escort could survive even with EFI, EI and other eletronic systems. [00:56] again, provided depends on the EMP too [00:57] It's just not the tech in cars, it's this whole concept of convenience provided by tech. Things happen and sometimes tech doesn't work... There's a generation right now that can't find their way home unless siri tells them the way [00:58] minasota: yes I agree, people don't know how their devices work, that's a bit scary [00:58] if it is a car or a phone [00:59] I like to know I can do some basic repairs [00:59] minasota: yeah, my generation, I just break the mold [00:59] My generation can't read a map, I can [01:00] My issue nowadays is sectional charts, but on the ground that doesn't matter much. [01:00] I just keep being reminded of a book I read a long time ago. "The Illustrated Man" [01:01] First couple of chapters resonate. [01:01] Wells or Ellison [01:02] Oh wait, that's Invisible Man [01:02] Bradbury [01:03] Considering the book is from the 1950's... kind of... not sure what word I'm looking for. Insightful? [01:03] Yeah, I have read at least some of that too. back in college (I wish it wasn't my free time, but rather required reading) [01:04] Well, look at Orwell, nowadays I'd say he was an optimist [01:04] Or Issac Asimov's three laws [01:07] minasota: Insightful, I might even push for prophetic in some respects [01:07] I agree [01:08] scary times we're in [01:12] Yep [01:12] We have the ability to be "connected" as a whole, like no other time in history, But we are not connected. We are social being by nature. We require interaction that is tangible [01:15] Also, once technology takes care of everything for us (a bit extreme, I know) where is our sense of accomplishment? [01:17] I know right [01:20] When I was a kid, if I said something hurtful to someone I experienced it. I saw their reaction, on all senses. Now, kids can blast a text and not know the rawness of it. They don;t experience the realness of their words. [01:20] Same for adults [01:21] Technology has made us somewhat calloused [01:21] Yeah, recently dealt with that firsthand [01:21] and dependant [01:24] So the question I ask some people is "How has technology enriched your life lately? [01:24] * minasota promises he is not going to the woods with an old typewriter to write a manifesto lol [01:27] I'm actually trying to learn emacs atm. This thing is almost like a freaking OS by itself [01:27] Ted Kaczynski settled for a shed [01:27] * cyberanger couldn't resist. [01:28] haha, I knew you would pick up on that [01:28] Most people know him as... [01:29] The Unibomber [01:30] or the one crazy guy the CIA actually did dose with LSD [01:30] haha, the CIA never dosed anyone with lsd.... [01:30] MKUltra [01:31] I'm pretty sure we have used all the "key" words to be be officially monitored now lol [01:33] Nope, there's still a few more [01:33] Want me to share them? Here's a few..... [01:36] * minasota connects to vpn... [01:38] lol [01:40] calling it a night. Later cyberanger wrst [01:40] good night minasota [01:43] Take care minasota [01:44] * cyberanger sees his testing VM has an issue. [02:05] Eh, that is the issue with testing in a VM sometimes [02:05] Sometimes you just need hardware.