[00:12] <clivejo> soee: published
[00:13] <soee> wee ~40 minutes ... LP is so fast :-)
[00:13] <clivejo> getting faster
[00:13] <soee> clivejo: first thing
[00:13] <soee> it doesn't want to remove language pckage snow
[00:13] <soee> ill start upgrade process
[00:14] <clivejo> thats the whole point of applying the fix
[00:14] <clivejo> cant have you without your language!
[00:14] <soee> but i have to wait for download, it is very slow 
[00:14] <mamarley> What would happen if you removed the English language pack?  Would it not work at all?
[00:15] <clivejo> mamarley: I have no idea#
[00:15] <mamarley> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-desktop-data_4%3a5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_all.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/kcm_activities.mo', which is also in package kde-l10n-engb 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[00:16] <clivejo> that shouldn’t be happening :(
[00:16] <mamarley> Sorry :(
[00:16] <mamarley> I will force-install and test anyway.
[00:18] <clivejo> why why why
[00:22] <clivejo> does it have to match completely
[00:23] <clivejo> l10npkgs_firstversion_ok := 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.2~
[00:25] <soee> clivejo: yup same error for 2 languages i use http://paste.ubuntu.com/16469676/
[00:26] <soee> sgclark: do you have some tip how to fix it ?
[00:37] <sgclark> soee: clivejo: sorry I need context, is this the language move thing? if so I have not yet had to package one of those.
[00:38] <clivejo> yeah kde-l10n magic not working
[00:38] <clivejo> Ive matched the version numbers so fingers crossed that works
[00:38] <sgclark> but
[00:38] <sgclark> I am confused
[00:38] <sgclark> why the 1.2 package when it is now in the plasma package
[00:38] <sgclark> can't have it in both
[00:41] <clivejo> its in both
[00:42] <clivejo> but that kde-l10n magic does something to allow the both to be installed
[00:42] <sgclark> mm ok. that seems impossible, but I will take your word for it.
[00:43] <sgclark> aka I am of no help until I read up on it :)
[00:44] <clivejo> well Ive matched the exact version number
[00:44] <clivejo> if that doesnt work, Im at a loss
[00:47] <clivejo> right, bed time
[00:47] <clivejo> night all
[01:00] <ahoneybun> mm 
[01:00]  * ahoneybun wonders what is wrong with plasma-desktop in plasma staging 
[01:00] <ahoneybun> for i386
[01:04] <soee> it waits for publishing
[01:14] <soee> there are some pretty serious problems with l19n package
[01:14] <soee> *l10n
 Waits and waits and waits
[01:15] <soee> you should be sleeping now :D
[01:16] <soee> plasma-desktop-data : Breaks: kde-l10n-pl (< 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) but 4:15.12.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:36] <rbetzen> Are there still plans for video of the dojo to be posted for those who couldn't make the live session?
[05:05] <valorie> rbetzen: you might want to ask in #kubuntu-podcast or on their G+ page
[05:05] <valorie> most probably still asleep or at work right now though
[05:05] <rbetzen> valorie: thanks! will do.
[05:06] <rbetzen> trying to parse the new docs now...
[05:07] <valorie> oh very cool, rbetzen
[05:07] <valorie> I need to install my devel stuff on my new laptop
[07:24] <acheron88> LP sending me the ppa packages at 60kB/s this morning. yawwwwwwwwwn slow
[07:33] <acheron88> xenial 5.6.4 installed OK, apart from the need to force overwrite of that kcm_activities translation file
[07:34] <acheron88> which was expected
 Acheron88 I dont know why that won't work. It works in yakkety
[08:56] <yofel> o/
[08:56]  * yofel goes reading a couple days of backlog
[09:09] <yofel> soee: regarding the QA site, yes we can, I'll look through it later. I've been generally just been adding more links, but some things are EOL and misleading indeed
[09:10] <yofel> soee: also shout if you feel anything is missing there
[09:14]  * clivejo feels so stupid
[09:14] <clivejo> oh hi yofel
[09:14] <clivejo> have a good weekend?
[09:15] <yofel> regarding debug packages: no, there's no way to migrate people for those, and the new -dbgsym packages are auto-generated as I turned that on for all our PPAs (as debian is doing the same and dropping -dbg at the same time)
[09:18] <yofel> rbasak: sorry, only see your message now. Well, I asked in -release whether someone could accept ubuntu1.3 and nothing happend so far, are you supposed to directly ping $SRU_PERSON_OF_THE_DAY for such things?!? People gave instructions on how to downgrade, so I assumed people would read...
[09:19] <clivejo> yofel: doint look at the kde-l10n stuff :/
[09:23] <yofel> clivejo: I just finished skimming over the backlog
[09:24] <yofel> for *backports* you usually use the same version as yakkety, and add the backport suffix to it, i.e. ~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa1
[09:24] <yofel> (l10n)
[09:24] <yofel> increasing the point version is for SRUs
[09:24] <clivejo> I made a boo boo
[09:24] <clivejo> I pushed to master by mistake
[09:25] <yofel> you deleted the repository? ^^
[09:25] <clivejo> then reverted it
[09:25] <yofel> aaaand?
[09:25] <clivejo> realised I should be in xenial_backports
[09:25] <clivejo> so thought I moved it there
[09:26] <clivejo> but I didnt make the important change to add kcm_activities to the overlapping files list 
[09:26]  * clivejo face palms
[09:26] <rbasak> yofel: yeah, directly pinging someone on the SRU team is sometimes necessary. Perhaps the person of the day, or the person who accepted the original SRU.
[09:26] <rbasak> Point out that it's to handle a proposed regression and they usually don't mind.
[09:28] <clivejo> the EU has an official language? kde-l10n-eu ?
[09:28] <yofel> rbasak: hm, I just asked again, will poke pitti if I don't get any reaction
[09:28] <yofel> thanks
[09:29] <yofel> clivejo: that's Basque (as it says in the package description ;) )
[10:26] <yofel> Yofel: text
[10:27] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:27] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: is there a way to have Telegram ping me when someone says my name here? Didn't you have something working for that?
[10:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, that was supposed to say test, monday I guess :P
[10:30] <yofel> yofel: test
[10:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:30] <shadeslayer> dude
[10:30] <shadeslayer> it's Tuesday xD
[10:30] <shadeslayer> but well, I guess it's because yesterday was a holiday
[10:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh right, we already had that mistake a several times during the daily office meeting. So lets just say it's monday and skip tuesday :P
[10:31] <shadeslayer> heh
 yofel If you ignore / mute the notifications from a group, if you are mentioned with the Telegram username, you will get a notification
[10:40] <yofel> @yofel foo
[10:40] <yofel> well *that* works
[10:41] <yofel> @ovidiuflorin: so the @ is required?
 Without the muting, you get notifications for everything
 Yes
[10:41] <yofel> ok
[10:41] <yofel> thanks
 Only one @
 You're welcome
[10:42] <yofel> I only wrote one, for some reason Telegram added another one
[10:42] <yofel> o.O
 Try not adding it at all
[10:43] <yofel> ovidiuflorin: poke
[10:43] <yofel> that added an @
 Auch
[10:43] <bshah> yofel poke
[10:43] <yofel> that didn't
 If the nick is the same on irc and Telegram it works
 Case sensitive I guess
[10:44] <yofel> I changed my Telegram ID to be lowercase, but that didn't help
[10:44] <yofel> unless that takes time to take effect
 Ping KDE sysadmins for this
[10:51] <clivejo> what does this mean?
[10:52] <clivejo> Uploading kde-l10n-hr_15.12.3-0ubuntu1.2~ubuntu16.04~ppa2.dsc: 550 Requested action not taken: internal server error
[10:56] <soee_> clivejo: so any way to fix this plasma-desktop-data problem ?
[10:56] <clivejo> soee_: Im trying!
[10:56] <clivejo> I made a stupid mistake
[10:56] <clivejo> and trying to upload the fix
[10:57] <soee_> we all do sometimes :)
[10:57] <clivejo> but Im getting these 550 internal server errors
[10:57] <soee_> is it naming problem ?
[10:58] <clivejo> I forgot to add the line that does the magic
[10:58]  * clivejo face palms
[10:59] <clivejo> got myself all confused about version numbers and which branch to commit to
[11:03] <yofel> clivejo: internel server error I guess? ^^ -> #launchpad
[11:51] <sheytan> guys! Still lots of work to do with 5.6 plasma?
[11:55] <soee_> languages to fix i think
[11:56] <sheytan> soee_: can i help somehow?
[12:01] <soee_> i'm not sure, clivejo is trying to fix it and than we need to test ti
[12:13] <yofel> wait what? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=824531#10
[12:13] <yofel> why am I increasingly disagreeing with the way maxy handles issues o.O?
[12:13] <sheytan> soee_: I can test it, too. Got any ppa?
[12:14] <yofel> diff: removed the x archive hints
[12:15] <soee_> sheytan: yes but please hold on, it is a bit broken atm
[12:16] <sheytan> soee_: sure, just hange me the ppa and let me know when can i install it
[12:43] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.2-2-ga06c741 * Carlo Vanini: CMakeLists.txt
[12:43] <pursuivant> Silence cmake warning about policy CMP0063
[12:43] <pursuivant> See https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2015-December/011201.html
[12:43] <pursuivant> Review Request 126535: Silence CMP0063 warnings with KDECompilerSettings.
[12:43] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a06c7417542e07bb103b888c7d76c0617657aa28
[12:47] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.6.0-1-g4f44673 * Carlo Vanini: CMakeLists.txt
[12:47] <pursuivant> Silence cmake warning about policy CMP0063
[12:47] <pursuivant> See https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2015-December/011201.html
[12:47] <pursuivant> Review Request 126535: Silence CMP0063 warnings with KDECompilerSettings.
[12:47] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/4f44673bbb4341471b5e97f0a0426bc94765a7a0
[12:55] <mamarley> When I updated another computer from 5.6.3 to 5.6.4 (on Xenial) this morning, it didn't complain about languages. :)
[12:55] <snele> can you fix kde-spectacle in staging
[12:55] <snele> https://paste.kde.org/p4fanwo4k
[12:56] <snele> ? :)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:03] <BluesKaj> so far the new 4.6 kernel hasn't done much to help my nvidia driver problem,. My understanding was the kernel module would build fine on a new kernel ..not the case ...ended up with much lower max resolution then even nouveau provides. Seems there' much ado about nothing using this kernel on my setup :-)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> on YY
[13:04] <BluesKaj> then=than
[13:06] <mamarley> BluesKaj: I just copied the 4.6-patched nvidia-340 from my staging PPA to graphics-drivers.  Once it compiles and publishes, you can update and it should work fine then.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> I have the staging ppa in my sources, but it's commented atm
[13:10] <BluesKaj> mamarley:  when do you expect it in the repos ?
[13:10] <mamarley> BluesKaj: It should be ready in the graphics-drivers PPA within 30-45 minutes or so.  As far as the official Ubuntu repository, I have no idea.  You would need to ask tseliot.
[13:27] <soee_> brb
[13:28] <soee> clivejo: ping
[13:36] <soee> mamarley: i can't confirm that upgrade to 5.6.4 on Xenial works, in fact the plasma-desktop-data and languages conflict exists
 Pong
[13:46] <mgraesslin> are there plans to backport Qt 5.6.1 to 16.04?
[13:47] <soee> clivejo: ah nothing, i wanted to ask about 5.6.4 but seems not ready yet :)
[13:47] <soee> yofel: ^ mgraesslin question
[13:49] <yofel> mgraesslin: "probably"
[13:49] <yofel> we'll need it for the newer versions, but I have no idea how good that'll work
[13:49] <mgraesslin> yofel: would be great. Multi-screen is so fubar with Qt 5.5....
 Soee lp is throwing all kinds of strange errors at me
[13:50] <yofel> mgraesslin: well, it won't help the 16.04 release, just the backports
[13:50] <mgraesslin> if you love your users try to get it in
[13:50] <yofel> so technically, broken multiscreen is supported till 2019 :P
[13:50] <mgraesslin> I'm getting crash for crash report on broken multiscreen
[13:50] <mgraesslin> not just multiscreen also running games which change resolution have the power to crash all Qt apps
[13:51] <yofel> well, if we knew what the fix is, we could try to get that applied on 5.5
[13:51] <mgraesslin> might be large, but in general I do know
[13:51] <acheron88> the newest kde-l10n-engb installed without trying to overight anything in plasma-desktop-data this time? 
[13:51] <acheron88> *overwrite
[13:51] <soee> mgraesslin: in fact Steam makes someting strange to panel for example where it doesn't re-render when we minimize steam game
[13:51] <soee> acheron88: nope
[13:52] <acheron88> well, it did here :P
[13:52] <soee> oO
[13:52] <soee> so maybe my kde-l10n-pl is not working :D
[13:52] <mgraesslin> yofel: the important change should be https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/src/plugins/platforms/xcb/qxcbscreen.cpp?id=a094af001795c9651b299d700a992150d1aba33a
[13:52] <soee> ah yes this one only
[13:54] <acheron88> soee: maybe http://paste.ubuntu.com/16474920/
 Some fixed language files got uploaded OK before lp took a hissy fit
[13:55] <soee> yup and PL is not one of them acheron88 :D
[13:55] <mamarley> There are already some packages for Qt 5.6 for Xenial in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-011/+packages, but some of the FW5.22 and Plasma 5.6.x stuff from staging-frameworks/staging-plasma would need to be recompiled against that in order to test.
[13:55] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16474935/
[13:55] <mamarley> I would love to try out Qt 5.6 though. :)
[13:55] <acheron88> soee: I was in luck them with engb
[13:55] <acheron88> *tehn
[13:56] <acheron88> grr
[13:56] <soee> mamarley: i vote for finishing Plasma + FW and Apps first :)
 Started failing on hr
[13:56] <soee> 5.6 is much improvement without QT 5.6 :)
[13:56] <yofel> mgraesslin: that is part of our xenial 5.5 packages though
 So never got to p
[13:56] <yofel> dpkg-source: info: applying xcb-Use-a-placeholder-QScreen-when-there-are-no-outp.patch
[13:57] <mgraesslin> yofel: ok, now I need to check which distro reports all those issues...
[13:57] <soee> clivejo: you have some errors ?
[13:57] <soee> yofel: have you seen ML and the message from valorie about vps stuff?
[13:57] <yofel> I did
[13:58] <soee> what do you think?
[13:59] <yofel> yes useful, if someone makes a template image for easy setup (like ovidiu tried with docker)
[13:59] <yofel> as otherwise, I have already been offering containers, and nobody takes me up on it - so it looks like nobody really needs them
[13:59] <yofel> but I don't have a ready template either, so setting that up would be a bit of work possibly
[14:00] <yofel> hm, or I could just clone my packaging container and wipe the keys...
[14:00] <yofel> but still, I think it would be useful, esp. for people with hardware/network issues (that's why I do most of my packaging work over ssh on some server)
[14:13] <soee> yofel: i was thinking about one more thing related to vps. In the future we could create some list of task to do (fix, make etc.) for new packagers when they start their journey. So for example we provide environment with some broken package/es tofix and they can just start working on it. We woudl also provide step by step solutions how to do it if someone would have a problem.
[14:15] <yofel> that might be worth thinking about... maybe that would work with a general packaging template and then a tarballed workspace for the actual job
[14:23] <clivejo> soee: finally got them to upload
[14:23] <clivejo> pl should be building and be published in the next few days
[14:24] <soee> clivejo: thanks. np. i thoough LP will build it in a  month so few days is just nice:)
[14:53] <clivejo> soee: kde-l10n-pl 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1.2~ubuntu16.04~ppa2 (Accepted)
[14:53] <clivejo> but still publishing!
[14:53] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=kde-l10n-pl&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=xenial
[14:54] <clivejo> finished 24mins ago
[14:57] <clivejo> another respun tarball for frameworks - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363111
[14:58] <clivejo> I miss kontact for my work flow
[14:58] <yofel> 5.22.1
[14:58] <yofel> whee, upstream starts using patch numbers
[14:58] <clivejo> is that a good thing?
[14:59] <yofel> that's actually compatible with gbp, so yes
[14:59] <clivejo> Kamoso 3.2rc and Purpose 1.1rc release
[15:00] <clivejo> oh Release Candidate 
[15:01] <yofel> well, that'll do for the dev release
[15:01] <yofel> put it on the todo list
[15:01] <clivejo> yofel: is there any way of getting whats done so far uploaded to yakkety?
[15:01] <yofel> yes, find a sponsor
[15:01] <clivejo> how do I do that?
[15:02] <yofel> ask people, or do something crazy like filing a sponsorship bug and explaining how and where the sponsor finds all the packages
[15:04] <clivejo> see this is where I just cant be bothered
[15:04] <yofel> see, that's how I feel about applying for MOTU :P
[15:04] <clivejo> I dont like having to beg people to do stuff for me
[15:04] <yofel> lots of work and it'll just cause me more work
[15:04] <clivejo> totally understand that 
[15:05] <yofel> well, apply for kubuntu-dev. Do prepare yourself though ^^
[15:05] <clivejo> I hated school
[15:06] <yofel> well, most of the questions will be about technical knowledge that you already need to work on the packages
[15:07] <yofel> and then there will be the more tricky ones like "what is the version in the symbol files used for?" or "what's the relationship between dpkg and ar?"
[15:07] <yofel> sitter_ has a collection of those IIRC
[15:08] <clivejo> taking a sitter test must be torture!
[15:08] <yofel> (note: you don't have to actually be able to answer all of those, I feel more than half is required, plus showing that you roughly know how and where to look stuff up)
[15:08] <yofel> well, the ~kubuntu-dev interview is a one hour grilling
[15:09] <clivejo> by whom?
[15:09] <yofel> by ~kubuntu-dev, i.e. us ;)
[15:09] <clivejo> you :P
[15:09] <yofel> needs quorum of at least 3 people, so not just me
[15:10] <clivejo> are there 3 kubuntu-dev left these days?
[15:11] <sitter> in a voting capacity anyway :P
[15:12] <yofel> there are enough lurking devs ^ ;)
[15:12] <clivejo> Im happy enough pushing buttons, dont wanna go back to school
[15:15] <genii> When is the next podcast?
[15:22] <soee> clivejo: testing again now
[15:25] <BluesKaj> well, after some fuss I was able to defeat the nouveau and enable the nvidia-340 driver on YY. This gpu is becoming close to "legacy" by the amount of jiggery-pokery required to install it as the default driver, even when using the ubuntu graphics ppa
[15:36] <soee> mamarley: on how many machines did you tested 5.6.4 ?
[15:36] <soee> (xenial)
[15:40] <soee> clivejo: this time all fine :)
[15:40] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16476333/
[15:41] <soee> yofel: lines 487-489 - this is how it should be right ?
[15:42] <yofel> dunno, clivejo ^
[15:43] <yofel> initially I think yes, but I wonder what the replacement was
[15:43] <soee> yofel:  kactivitymanagerd?
[15:43] <soee> see top of the log file
[15:43] <yofel> ah, that might be, then it's ok
[15:44] <soee> i think it was moved from Plasma to Frameworks
[15:49] <soee> brb
[15:49] <yofel> I wonder what bug 1561465 is a dup of
[15:49] <yofel> that has been the case since like.. forever? :D
[15:54] <soee> clivejo: from my side, upgrade to 5.5.5 -> 5.6.4 on Xenial was fine :)
[15:55] <soee> BluesKaj: do you have some machine to test 5.6.4 on Xenial ?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> soee:  I already have it on the laptop and it's working fine.
[15:59] <soee> BluesKaj: could you just test full upgrade process ? Purge staging-plasma ppa, add it and do full upgrade ?
[16:01] <soee> BluesKaj: if yes, also paste.ubuntu.com upgrade changelog like this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16476333/ 
[16:01] <BluesKaj> soee:  purgew the ppa then re-add it ?
[16:01] <soee> BluesKaj: yes, it will revert Plasma to 5.5.5 and Frameworks to 55.18
[16:02] <soee> if you want you can reboot after purging ppa
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok soee, purging
[16:36] <mamarley> soee: 4
 All was fine on each?
[16:37] <mamarley> Besides the language overwrite thing, yes.
 Are you able to purge this ppa and try again?
[16:39] <mamarley> I don't really feel like doing that, why?
 This way we can confirm that upgrade is smooth without any errors and need to overwrite any packages
[16:40] <BluesKaj_> soee, did you want just the full-upgrade pastbinned ?
[16:41] <mamarley> I already confirmed that on the upgrade I did on the fourth system this morning.  There were no errors.
 Yes only upgrade to 5.6.4.
[16:43] <mamarley> That's exactly what it was, upgrading from Plasma 5.6.3 to 5.6.4, keeping FW5.22 the whole time.
[16:43] <BluesKaj_> soee, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16477736/
[16:45] <BluesKaj_> anyway there it is, back to the desk pc
[17:04] <acheron88> already done one full one full upgrade from 5.5.5 -> 5.6.4 here afte the language updates, and no errors. didn't pastebin it I'm afraid, but it was certainly OK.
[17:05] <acheron88> 'one full' too many there ^^^ lol. 
[17:05] <acheron88> long day
[17:50] <BluesKaj> soee:  ping!
[18:38] <ahoneybun> we're including the plasma-sdk now?
[18:39] <clivejo> ahoneybun: its part of the plasma release, are we not supposed to?
[18:39] <ahoneybun> just surprised it is there
[18:40] <ahoneybun> I see some oranges in the plasma staging ppa 
[18:40] <snele> guys is kde-spectacle going to be fixed in staging? i need it :)
[18:40] <clivejo> there is a dependency on kdevelop, but that cant be resolved right now
[18:41] <ahoneybun> ksnapshot is still there
[18:41] <ahoneybun> snele ^
[18:41] <ahoneybun> mm so still not ready to upgrade clivejo ?
[18:41] <clivejo> sorry ahoneybun Im not following
[18:42] <ahoneybun> mm
[18:42] <clivejo> upgrade what?
[18:42] <clivejo> plasma-sdk?
[18:42] <ahoneybun> no no
[18:42] <ahoneybun> that plasma staging ppa
[18:43] <clivejo> well sure, you can, but just expect problems
[18:43] <ahoneybun> I'd like to avoid those
[18:44] <snele> i added all 3 staging ppas, no problems at all exept kde-spectacle not installiable--->kubuntu-desktop removed/not installiable
[18:44] <clivejo> about 3 people have upgraded successfully
[18:44] <sgclark> mm
[18:44] <sgclark> applications are not done
[18:44] <sgclark> spectacle is being a pain in my behind
[18:45] <sgclark> and PIm, but that is to be expected
[18:45] <ahoneybun> seema Neon filed a bug as well
[18:45] <clivejo> looks like spectacle needs FW5.21 or about
[18:45] <sgclark> it wants 5.22
[18:45] <clivejo> above
[18:46] <clivejo> sgclark: you merged spectacle with debian?
[18:46] <sgclark> and plasma just tanked on me, when I tried to logout, just a black screen
[18:47] <sgclark> I have not merged recently... but when we moved to LP we had those auto merges
[18:48] <clivejo> I just see a 4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 version
[18:49] <clivejo> wondered where the epoch came from
[18:49] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle
[18:50] <clivejo> snele: have you done an update from staging plasma PPA?
[18:50] <clivejo> looks like yofel uploaded kde-spectacle there 5 hours ago
[18:51] <soee> BluesKaj: pong
[18:53] <snele> clivejo: I have plasma, apps and frameworks staging enabled
[18:54] <snele> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:54] <snele>  kde-spectacle : Depends: libkf5screen6 (>= 5.1.1) 
[18:55] <snele> i'll use ksnapshot and wait for a fix, no biggie
[19:00] <KurousagiMK2> kde-spectacle 4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 in Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications
[19:12] <BluesKaj> soee:  did see my upgrade post ?
 Yes but it was not full one :)
 yofel clivejo are we ready to put Plasma and Frameworks in backports?
 I has been tested by several users and seems to work fine
[20:00] <sheytan> soee: ready? :D
 Yes I think so
[20:01] <clivejo> well that went as expected!
 If you also want to test add staging-plasma ppa
[20:02] <clivejo> lots of people jumping to help out
 sheytan it contains Plasma 5.6.4, Frameworks 5.22
 Yup thanks to clivejo fantastic work
[20:02] <clivejo> also enable staging frameworks, there are a few fixes in there that didnt get copied over to plasma staging
[20:03] <clivejo> marcinsagol Im trying to get someone to sponsor me to upload to Yakkety
 clivejo can you copy them to staging-plasma to have it in one place?
[20:04] <clivejo> I was going to delete them!
 So to have in separate ppa?
 IMO also fine and more clean ;)
[20:05] <clivejo> delete them for ever and ever
[20:09] <sheytan> IrcsomeBot: can you give us the full link to this ppa?
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.series_filter=xenial
[20:22] <sheytan> clivejo: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma and  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks are the same or do I need to add two?
[20:22] <sheytan> both
[20:23] <clivejo> Id add both
[20:23] <sheytan> what the difference?
[20:23] <clivejo> frameworks has a few patched packages that didnt get copied to plasma
[20:24] <clivejo> only upgrade problems
[20:32] <soee> ahoneybun: new linux game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WNzuRL_FNo
[20:41] <soee> kde-spectacle from staging-frameworks is held back when upgrading
[20:42] <soee> yofel: kde-spectacle http://paste.ubuntu.com/16481772/
[20:42] <soee> english http://paste.ubuntu.com/16481781/
[20:43] <soee> the one from staging-plasma worked, the one  from staging-frameworks not
[20:45] <clivejo> theres one in frameworks?
[20:46] <soee> yes: kde-spectacle	15.12.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa1	Philip Muškovac (6 hours ago)
[20:47]  * sick_rimmit Waves
[20:47] <sick_rimmit> o/
[20:47] <soee> \o
[20:47] <sick_rimmit> Hi folks
[20:52] <KurousagiMK2> kde-spectacle (4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1) yakkety https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+sourcepub/6432788/+listing-archive-extra
[20:52] <soee> ?
[20:53] <KurousagiMK2> xenial... sorry did not notice
[21:02] <sheytan> Guys! BTW. Thinking about a cool name for my IT services company. Any ideas?
[21:03] <soee> CSC
[21:03] <soee> Cool Service Company :)
[21:04] <sheytan> soee: good shot :D
[21:04] <sheytan> but must be something professional
[21:04] <sheytan> sheytan IT isin't :(
[22:13] <sgclark> clivejo: so what needs uploaded? kf5 first I presume?
[22:14] <clivejo> fw5.22 first I would think
[22:14] <sgclark> ok
 sgclark you will be able to finish apps or someone else shall do it?
[22:16] <clivejo> LOL
[22:16] <clivejo> soee you're a slave driver!
[22:16] <sgclark> I am getting there. Please remember I am no longer full time. Any help welcome. But please do not kill poor clivejo
 Nope :) I just want to have it released so other users can enjoy it
[22:18] <clivejo> sgclark: can you tell me how you do it?
[22:19] <sgclark> well this ubuntu-archive-upload is suppose to do this magic. but I am missing something
[22:19] <sgclark> pull-ppa-source hmm
[22:20] <clivejo> should I rebuild them all?
[22:20] <clivejo> say to ppa50 or something?
[22:21] <sgclark> um why?
[22:21] <clivejo> just seen yofel do that
[22:21] <sgclark> I thought they were ready? I am missing something needed by this script is all
[22:22] <clivejo> Im not sure on the process
[22:22] <sgclark> clivejo: that is useful for rebuilding things that are broken by ABI eg. kdepim
[22:22] <clivejo> dont they have to be tagged or something
[22:22] <sgclark> mm
[22:23] <clivejo> the script will need to be modified to use LP too probably
[22:23] <sgclark> that does sound familiar. It has been a very long time sice I did this
[22:23] <sgclark> umm
[22:23] <clivejo> Ive never done it, so I dont know
[22:23] <clivejo> just watching Phil do it
[22:23] <sgclark> well yeah you have to be a -dev
[22:24] <sgclark> ah
[22:24] <sgclark> yes you are right, this script is no good
[22:25] <clivejo> but we should try and fix it 
[22:27] <sgclark> oh ffs this blasted thing uses namespaces too. same thing that is killing me on CI
[22:28] <sgclark> yofel: no namespaces is breaking like everything.
[22:31] <sgclark> well this one seems easy enough to fix
[22:31] <sgclark> still need to find where pull-ppa-source is suppose to come from
[22:56] <sgclark> clivejo: ok I have it all running.
[22:57] <clivejo> sgclark: do you need someone to sponsor you?
[22:57] <sgclark> Nope. Unless there is a NEW package. I will have to find a sponsor for that package only
[22:58] <sgclark> did you have to create any new packages?
[22:58] <clivejo> yes
[22:59] <sgclark> then if you want, go ahead and find a sponser for that package, if you want the experience, otherwise I can try and hunt one down tomorrow.
[22:59] <sgclark> it is getting late.
[22:59] <sgclark> sponsor..
[22:59] <clivejo> you had frameworks mostly done
[22:59] <clivejo> I just fixed a few install issues
[22:59] <clivejo> and staged 5.22
[23:00] <clivejo> but kactivities-stats is new
[23:00] <sgclark> yeah well your name is on it, you get the credit. I am retired anyway, all yours!
[23:00] <clivejo> kwayland moved from plasma to frameworks
[23:01] <sgclark> kwayland source is not new though
[23:01] <clivejo> true
[23:01] <sgclark> kactivities-stats will need sponsor for sure
[23:01] <clivejo> just version bump 5.5.5 to 5.22
[23:04] <clivejo> is purpose a framework?
[23:04] <sgclark> it is unreleased afaik
[23:04] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/
[23:04] <sgclark> I think framework yes
[23:05] <clivejo> I see a RC for that
[23:05] <clivejo> will need packaging soon I reckon
[23:05] <clivejo> spectacle seems to use it
[23:05] <sgclark> yeah
[23:06] <sgclark> pim has new packages as well, hense it is taking longer to package
[23:06] <sgclark> dunno wth is gonna happen next release. qtwebengine seems unlikely
[23:08] <clivejo> I thought they were factoring out PIM
[23:08] <sgclark> who was factoring out pim?
[23:08] <clivejo> KDE
[23:08] <sgclark> umm wut?
[23:08] <clivejo> some of it was moving to new frameworks
[23:09] <sgclark> oh yes, that has been happening for awhile. Whata I mean is next release they will depend on qtwebengine which does not exist in debian based distros
[23:10] <sgclark> good grief this script is flimsy. fails alot on IO errors
[23:10] <clivejo> so that other apps can use akonadi
[23:15] <sgclark> yes they are doing exactly the same as frameworks and breaking everything out of the monster kdepimlibs
[23:15] <sgclark> so practically every release we have new packages from it.
[23:15] <sgclark> but what is the point when it won't build at all next release :)
[23:17] <clivejo> I guess if we try to keep the packaging updated as they change it
[23:18] <sgclark> problem is that they depend on a QT package that does not exist
[23:19] <clivejo> need an updated QT base?
[23:19] <sgclark> there are mound and mounds of threads on the subject Debian and QtWebEngine
[23:19] <sgclark> no maintainer. And the size of the monster would require several maintainers
[23:20] <sgclark> I spent an hour or so trying to package it, failed miserably
[23:20] <sgclark> evidently it is the size of firefox and chrome
[23:20] <clivejo> eak#
[23:20] <sgclark> exactly lol
[23:21] <clivejo> who packaged it in the past?
[23:21] <sgclark> nobody has
[23:21] <sgclark> brand new
[23:21] <sgclark> in 5.6
[23:21] <clivejo> I mean who packaged QT?
[23:22] <sgclark> it is shared packaging by folks in debian and ubuntu.
[23:22] <sgclark> lisandro comes to mind, mitya, debfx several others
[23:23] <sgclark> and if they won't touch it... then we may be sol haha.
[23:23] <clivejo> why wont they touch it?
[23:24] <sgclark> google Debian and QTWebEngine
[23:26] <sgclark> it would certainly be good experience to package and maintain such a thing, but I fear it would consume the time of 10 Kubuntu's lol
[23:28] <valorie> letting PIM go just seems tragic though
[23:29] <sgclark> indeed
[23:29] <valorie> I don't think KUBE is ready to go
[23:29] <valorie> Trojita is not for everyone
[23:29] <valorie> bleah
[23:30] <sgclark> I love pim. so i agree.
[23:30] <sgclark> dunno what to do.
[23:30] <clivejo> Kube sounds like it will need QTWebEngine too
[23:30] <sgclark> well webkit is being replaced by it, this is just the beginning
[23:31] <soee> backports ppa is our 'own' and we do not need any sponsors to put there anything right ?
[23:31] <sgclark> correct
[23:32] <sgclark> clivejo can do that
[23:32]  * soee smiles to clivejo
[23:32]  * clivejo is going to bed!
[23:34] <clivejo> night night
[23:34] <soee> nn
[23:34] <sgclark> night clivejo