[05:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:04] <Bashing-om> shift change ! lotuspsychje :)
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: found your hd issue yet?
[05:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well .. I cleaned the box, been stable so far ! .. still watching and waiting .
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> ok, until the box running we need to use it right :p
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> i one time had smoke out of a crt monitor after lighting
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> then you know its real dead
[05:07] <dax> !info nethack-console yakkety | lotuspsychje
[05:08] <dax> (Pici fixed it)
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> dax: oh thank you!
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> dax: we also have lots of users asking us systemd commands but i didnt found a good alternative url for !systemd yet
[05:09] <Bashing-om> yeah ! Lightning is bad .. I have a long list of horror stories . We live at the Highest point on Devonshire Mountain . Back in the day that TV antenna was a lightening rod .
[05:09] <dax> !systemd
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> dax: digital ocean had a nice systemctl guide, but then its really not ubuntu related
[05:10] <Bashing-om> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats the one
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> but then OerHeks found this url not having <OerHeks> nice, but i miss systemd-analyze and the bootchart " systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg  "
[05:11] <Bashing-om> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/
[05:13] <Bashing-om> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/systemd-blame.html
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> not bad that second one, but then its really hard to find ubuntu related ones
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> best scenario would be that guy editing current !systemd wiki
[05:16] <Bashing-om> Anyway, it has been real, it has been fun - it has been real fun ! .. But, going horizontal for the duration .
[05:16] <dax> what ubuntu-specific systemd info is there
[05:16] <dax> i was under the impression it was pretty standard, even in Ubuntuland
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: night night mate
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> dax: yeah systemd is indeed pretty universal, but doesnt it look bad if an url forward something to an arch page?
[05:19] <Bashing-om> Yall can handle my light work . I gotta take a pause . Laters .
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> laterz mate
[05:21] <dax> meh, if it's the best source for the info...
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> that second link from bashing-om was neat
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ-
[05:47]  * TJ- waves
[05:47] <TJ-> how you doing?
[05:47] <TJ-> that stacy is still at it since last night... I want to throw something :D
[05:50] <TJ-> I'm playing with moving network interfaces off the host and into containers... but can't figure out how to retrieve the moved interface if things go TITSUP :P
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> alot of network issues lately bah
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> those persistent bugs keep showing up..not very cool on lts
[05:52] <TJ-> which have you encountered?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> that network arrows instead of wifi icon bug
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> and i need to restart network-manager sometimes to get it working
[06:01] <TJ-> Oh, cosmetics in nmapplet, the fix for that was pushed out
[06:02] <TJ-> there are some other issues... seems somehow the network-manager-gnome and network-manager packages got out of sync API wise
[06:03] <dax> omg stacy- is still going
[06:03] <Ben64> i'm going to cut my eyes out
[06:03] <Ben64> i can't handle it
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> i more run away when seeing curlyears :p
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> he's doing support, but every day he finds something new to get solved for hours in main?
[06:06] <Ben64> lets see if my link works
[06:08] <dax> i take it the core issue here is she's trying to put her card in Infrastructure mode and it isn't happening?
[06:09] <Ben64> who knows
[06:09] <Ben64> she's stuck on repeat
[06:09] <Ben64> it worked before
[06:10] <Ben64> ubuntu should be user friendlier
[06:10] <Ben64> it doesn't work, is there a bug
[06:10] <dax> was "before" same hardware different Ubuntu version?
[06:10] <dax> or different both
[06:10] <Ben64> it worked before!
[06:10] <TJ-> same hardware, possibly earlier release
[06:12] <TJ-> in behaviour more like a troll doing a wind-up, 10 hours ago I asked for technical details and again this morning (my time) and still no actual technical replies. The IP address of the user is inside China which made me think there's a language barrier, especially as last night there was some mention of running questions/answers through a translator ( though that may have been another user!)
[06:34] <Ben64> * sanket has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
[06:34] <Ben64> lol.
[06:36] <TJ-> well it is a disgusting meat product :)
[06:36] <dax> ayup, spambot killer misfired. trying to find an awake staffer :\
[06:37] <Ben64> i mean it was technically spam
[06:37] <dax> sigyn's only supposed to trigger on actual bots
[06:37] <dax> not idiots
[06:38] <Ben64> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/aoz8kgx8pzknypz7z38n.jpg
[06:38] <Ben64> oh sweet, android-x86 finally finished downloading
[06:39] <Ben64> i hate how they made their iso un-wgettable
[06:51] <brushdemon> kek
[06:52] <brushdemon> I love that commercial
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:16] <EriC^^> afternoon lotuspsychje
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ hows it going
[12:16] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> sunny here, great!
[12:16] <EriC^^> cool
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> zzZZZzzz in main :p
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[13:05] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> wb
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> network problem stacy- is back lol
[15:09] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, yeah, if someone didn't mention HIM about nmcli yesterday .
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-to-showcase-ubuntu-core-on-nxp-freescale-i-mx-6-hikey-at-oscon-2016-504157.shtml
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[15:15] <OerHeks> de-facto, that takes 5 clicks..
[15:15] <de-facto> lol
[15:16] <OerHeks> this tutor will not do, adhoc is peer-to-peer, no? https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[15:18] <OerHeks> "A network name (SSID) and security key are automatically generated. The network name will be based on the name of your computerA network name (SSID) and security key are automatically generated. The network name will be based on the name of your computer"
[15:18] <OerHeks> oops
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> morning hggdh
[15:40] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: good morning. May the sun shine, birds sing, and whatever else
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah sunny here aswell :p
[15:55] <de-facto> OerHeks well that one worked for me without any problems on Xenial with my usb ralink dongle
[15:57] <OerHeks> just the adhoc in Networkmanager works fine too.
[15:57] <OerHeks> i think there is a BIG difference between adapters, maybe his adapter does not work that well...
[15:58] <OerHeks> so the statement 'i did it before' is just unbelievable, if you ask me
[15:58] <de-facto> could be, i never went into the internals used behind the scenes by network manager, it just worked (tm)
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[15:58] <OerHeks> (and switching too often to others/come up with a new problem) after a question)
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> .40 is out on updates
[15:59] <de-facto> OerHeks although its a bit inconvenient that there are no settings possible from within network manager, why the need for manually start "nm-connection-editor"? there should be a button for that in tehre
[15:59] <OerHeks> shoot me, i confess .. dunno de-facto
[16:00] <OerHeks> i am on 15.10 too.
[16:02] <OerHeks> i have a small block-ish wifi adapter from sitecom, found sitting in a pc that people trown away with garbage, i didn't notice that untill i wanted to close the door to audio/usb/cardreader
[16:02] <OerHeks> works fine 54 mbit
[16:02] <OerHeks> .. err maybe that is the culprit, wireless N ...
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/09/3-ways-create-wifi-hotspot-ubuntu/
[16:03] <OerHeks> and i wonder why nmtui ..
[16:03] <OerHeks> mint user?
[16:03] <OerHeks> :-D
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> apt-cache doesnt show
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> https://developer.gnome.org/NetworkManager/unstable/nmtui.html
[16:06] <de-facto> but nmtui is network manager aswell, right? should just work imho...
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> nmtui — Text User Interface for controlling NetworkManager
[16:08] <OerHeks> standard available, lotus
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> never used myself but looks like the text version of editing things right
[16:09] <OerHeks> maybe he needs " sudo nmtui "
[16:09] <de-facto> Dang, i hate when online stores advertise an explicit hardware version and then think they can deliver something else, and the customers wont care. Can typing a simple product code be THAT difficult? i ordered an LTE stick in 4 online shops already, they all said (and confirmed) its "E3372s-153" but then they ship me "E3372h-153" grrrrr
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[16:10] <OerHeks> what is the difference? E3372s-153 vs E3372h-153
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[16:11] <de-facto> the older E3372s can be flashed with a firmware which allows to use it as NCM device, many hacks for that out there, the E3372h-153 just shows itself as usb-ethernet device, its firmware is pretty much closed and just provides a webui. i dont want to be behind a NAT in the LTE stick, because i want to open ports on LTE network
[16:12] <de-facto> it seems its very popular in russian hacker forums :P
[16:12] <de-facto> and some LTE ISPs allow you to use the business APNs so you can open ports because you get a public ip then :)
[16:15] <de-facto> but i dont understand why they advertise a explicit version in their online shops if they are unable to ship that then... i could understand if they used the generic name e3372 without any version but like that... its almost like fraud...
[16:15] <OerHeks> hmmmm ...
[16:15] <OerHeks> At time of writing, nmtui does not support all types of connections. In particular, you cannot edit VPNs, Wi-Fi connections using WPA Enterprise, or Ethernet connections using 802.1X
[16:16] <de-facto> in "nm-connection-editor" GUI i could edit all those for my AP created from within wireless networks
[16:17] <de-facto> but it really may depend on the backend used by network manager i guess
[16:17] <OerHeks> here i get WEP too
[16:17] <de-facto> can you change that in nm-connection-editor ?
[16:18] <tgm4883> Just did FDE on a fresh install of 16.04, was expecting a lot more work to do that
[16:18] <OerHeks> in nm i can set WPA, for ad-hoc
[16:18] <OerHeks> not for AP
[16:19] <de-facto> ah maybe it uses another AP backend then which just supports WEP for specific devices?
[16:20] <OerHeks> lets ask a network-guru
[16:21] <de-facto> haha nm-connection-editor lets me choose 5GHz but my adapter only can provide 2.4GHz, so if i tick that it says its online but actually it is not :P
[16:22] <dax> omg she's still going
[16:26] <de-facto> if she/he? just was that ambitious with using the network manager settings instead of asking for help she would be up and running by now
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> https://opensource.com/life/16/5/conflict-resolution-primer
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome nacc
[17:04] <nacc> lotuspsychje: thanks!
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> chitchat about latest ubuntu news and support knowledges here :p
[17:05] <nacc> works for me :)
[17:05] <OerHeks> nacc, i want ad-hoc networking with wep in 4 clicks please
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:05] <nacc> OerHeks: heh, let me introduce you to stacy- :)
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> haha
[17:06] <nacc> I hear they are on their knees, for some reason.
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> she finally got it fixxed
[17:06] <nacc> well, at least they got their problem fixed, which is good
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> anyone thinks geary would be nicer then thunderbird on a default users desktop?
[17:09] <daftykins> OerHeks: ouch did someone really ask for that?
[17:09] <OerHeks> no, with wpa, using nmtui
[17:39] <pauljw> hey EriC^^
[17:39] <EriC^^> hey pauljw :)
[17:39] <pauljw> :)
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw and EriC^^
[17:55] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje
[17:56] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> the volunteers club keeps growing :p
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> evening baizon
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> baizon: you are the 53th user! you have won todays price: http://www.wilko.com/content/ebiz/wilkinsonplus/invt/0137542/0137542_l.jpg
[18:07] <OerHeks> nice site lotuspsychje
[18:07] <OerHeks> they even have a bug solver like us
[18:07] <OerHeks> http://www.wilko.com/insecticides+pest-control/bugclear-ultra-gun-1l/invt/0263120
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:08] <daftykins> aww i needed a bucket
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> more luck tomorrows price daftykins
[18:09]  * daftykins crosses his fingers
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:10] <baizon> lotuspsychje: yay! :D
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:11] <daftykins> it's ok, the bucket is to keep your ubuntu flash drives in
[18:11] <OerHeks> i need a bigger one for all my networkcables
[18:11] <daftykins> :D
[18:12] <daftykins> i've a box of cat6 here still, 305m when it was new, but i've cabled my house with it
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> every time you fix a pc for someone, give a cable for free
[18:12] <daftykins> mmm imagine that, a delightful wireless free experience for all your customers!
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> i advise cable use :p
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> who moves his laptop anyway?
[18:13] <daftykins> XD
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> business guys traveling planes
[18:13] <daftykins> i still have no way to connect LAN or external displays to my lovely new Dell for the moment
[18:14] <daftykins> TJ linked me to a nice cheap USB 3.0 LAN adapter, but i dunno!
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> devolo
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> over the power net
[18:14] <daftykins> well that's not what i mean, the laptop just only has USB C form factor thunderbolt 3 :)
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> ah
[18:15] <daftykins> i am using a cheap powerline kit for the network streamer in my bedroom now though :)
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> no eth port?
[18:15] <daftykins> nope
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> unk
[18:16] <daftykins> super faster 802.11ac wifi though
[18:16] <daftykins> 50MB/sec file copy i've seen it do :)
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> wow
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> intel?
[18:20] <daftykins> it's actually the broadcom/Dell card in there
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> ok
[18:20] <daftykins> i think it's a 2:2 stream config so 866Mbps ac max
[18:20] <daftykins> i got that free new dualband -ac 3:3 router from my ISP so i can actually use it :D
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> great
[18:22] <daftykins> but yeah £180 for the Dell WD15 dock - http://media.bestofmicro.com/2/K/549596/gallery/Dell-Dock-WD15-2-_w_600.jpg
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> oO
[18:23] <daftykins> and that's the low end one...
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: dang
[18:23] <daftykins> connects via USB C, but the bus is displayport instead of thunderbolt with that one
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> + new graphics card
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> you need that adress from OerHeks :p
[18:28] <OerHeks> same price here, €229 incl VAT
[18:31] <OerHeks> hurry ! hurry! it is limited free! ... http://www.webupd8.org/2016/05/limited-time-offer-to-get-insync-pro.html ... but only available on 14.04 grinn
[18:32]  * lotuspsychje is gonna pass :p
[18:33] <OerHeks> .. but .. is is free, man! lolz
[18:33] <nacc> daftykins: i have a dell usb3 hub that's got dp ports and ethernet
[18:33] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't allow that, video over USB is laughable
[18:34] <nacc> daftykins: eh, it works fine if you use http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu
[18:34] <daftykins> i don't run Linux and nope sorry never happening :)
[18:35] <nacc> heh
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> yesssss Bashing-om is here!
[18:35] <daftykins> \o/
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> we are saved!
[18:36] <Bashing-om> Uh hih .. Getting ready to learn somethging else . Hoz the channel been ?
[18:36] <nacc> for reference, daftykins, it's this one: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=452-BBPG. I thnk windows has native support
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: crowdy, we need desperate help :p
[18:37] <daftykins> nacc: thanks yeah, seen it
[18:37] <daftykins> i'm even iffy about the above cheaper displayport one :)
[18:38] <nacc> heh
[18:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Lemme finish strapping in .. I join ya for the ride .
[18:46] <OerHeks> that curlypears is still bothering the channel with hardware failures ..
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> every day he finds something new to troll
[18:48] <Bashing-om> Yuk, "curly" huts my sense of propriety .. dare we direct .." read the manual" ?
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> and does 'support' in between also
[18:48] <Bashing-om> Hurts*
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: did that 20min boot issue got solved yet?
[18:50] <EriC^^> systemd-analyze blame , learned that recently
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: how does that work?
[18:51] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Nope .. OP have up on the time it is taking to troubleshoot .. make up and liveDVD and run the commands to see the Logs . A big concern in trust not to break his work system .
[18:52] <EriC^^> it shows the time for each process
[18:53] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: A great tut for "blame" : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/systemd-blame.html .
[18:54] <EriC^^> wow mines slow
[18:54] <EriC^^> Startup finished in 4.502s (firmware) + 2.339s (loader) + 4.911s (kernel) + 43.647s (userspace) = 55.401s
[18:54] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: try systemd-analyze
[18:54] <EriC^^> without blame
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> Startup finished in 5.084s (kernel) + 5.824s (userspace) = 10.908s
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> whats userspace?
[18:55] <EriC^^> services
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> 11sec boot then?
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> thats till login screen
[18:57] <EriC^^> i think so
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> after that its lightdm log
[18:58] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I am still on old sponners .. and I boot to terminal from a cold start is @ 5 seconds on old dual Athlon board :)
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> ok bbl guys, movies with the miss
[18:59] <Bashing-om> quality time !
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> have a good one
[19:18] <EriC^^> wb pauljw
[19:18] <pauljw> ty :)
[19:18] <EriC^^> :)
[23:09] <OerHeks> dax, ~opidont@104.236.185.82 is back
[23:12] <dax> OerHeks: yep. Looks like they tried the same thing in another channel, based on that second Sigyn kill