[00:47] <ubuntu-mate> Hello all
[00:50] <ubuntu-mate> Ive seem to have a problem with Ubuntu Mate 1604, When i am using the live version on a usb stick theres no problem, but when I reboot i get the black screan with a flashing curser or dash
[00:52] <ouroumov> hi ubuntu-mate
[00:52] <ubuntu-mate> Hello
[00:53] <ubuntu-mate> how are you?
[00:53] <ouroumov> Doing good, are you using the live now ubuntu-mate ?
[00:54] <ubuntu-mate> yes I formated my hard drive
[00:54] <ubuntu-mate> havnt installed yet
[00:54] <ubuntu-mate> was worried i would get a bl;ack screen again
[00:55] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, but you had installed it once before right?
[00:55] <ubuntu-mate> yes earlier today
[00:56] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, maybe we can help you out of the black screen business, but the OS needs to be installed first.
[00:56] <ubuntu-mate> but when i install it...and reboot it goes black
[00:56] <ubuntu-mate> how can I do anything to it?
[00:57] <ouroumov> There are ways. First you can try setting a kernel boot parameter when you boot up using the bootloader interface.
[00:58] <ubuntu-mate> whaaaa not sure what that is at all
[00:58] <ubuntu-mate> sorry
[00:58] <ouroumov> You can also switch to a text terminal using the keys CTRL+ALT+F1, log in, and make the parameter permanent
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> I have used linux before but am not command savy at all
[00:59] <ouroumov> hang on ubuntu-mate I'm gonna reboot a machine cause I don't remember the sequence
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:00] <ouroumov> aw crap by grub was unresponsive
[01:00] <ouroumov> gonna try again
[01:00] <ubuntu-mate> sorry
[01:00] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:03] <ouroumov> Yeah it's not working for me so I can't be sure of the steps but basically it should be like that:
[01:04] <ouroumov> You install the OS to the drive, then you reboot. When the machine is booting again, hold the shift key down to access the grub menu
[01:04] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:04] <ouroumov> Then I think you've gotta type "e" for the edit options, and find the "nomodeset" parameter
[01:04] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:05] <ouroumov> If you don't find it, or your grub is like mine and does not work, you're gonna have to go to your black screen, then type CTRL+ALT+F1
[01:05] <ouroumov> That'll bring you to a text-only interface
[01:05] <ouroumov> you type your username, and then your password
[01:05] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:05] <ouroumov> When you type your password your characters won't be echoed back to you as star, but keep typing them and then type enter.
[01:06] <ubuntu-mate> ok cool
[01:06] <ouroumov> Once you've successfully logged in, you'll see a prompt like "username@machine:~/$"
[01:06] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[01:06] <ouroumov> you'll need to type the command to open a text editor: sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:07] <ouroumov> navigate to the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:07] <ouroumov> and add in the parameter "nomodeset" so it becomes: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[01:07] <ouroumov> then, save your changes by typing CTRL+X, then "y" then enter
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> gotchya
[01:08] <ouroumov> Next, back at your prompt, type the command: sudo update-grub
[01:08] <ouroumov> then sudo reboot
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:08] <ouroumov> and hopefully, you'll have corrected the black screen issue
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> I did try something like that earlier...but i might have typed it in wrong
[01:09] <ouroumov> You can always come back here using the live cd or using another machine and the web client on the Ubuntu MATE website
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> ok
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> can i print all the instructions from here?
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> that you gave me
[01:11] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, you can note this url: https://paste.ubuntu.com/16470116/
[01:12] <ubuntu-mate> oh wow cool thanks
[01:12] <ouroumov> yw
[01:12] <ubuntu-mate> ok Im off to try and install again
[01:12] <ouroumov> good luck
[01:12] <ubuntu-mate> thank you very much for your help, you have a great evening
[01:13] <ouroumov> thanks, it's 3AM here xD
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> good thing your a night owel or Id be up the creek with no paddle...lmao...are you in the UK?
[01:14] <ouroumov> France
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> same time zone right?
[01:14] <ouroumov> yes
[01:15] <ubuntu-mate> Im just outside Toronto Canada....Ill be in London UK in a month
[01:15] <ouroumov> I thought I detected a hint of politeness there. xD
[01:16] <ubuntu-mate> hahahahah you should have heard the swear words earlier when this sys went black lmao
[01:16] <ouroumov> ^^
[01:17] <ubuntu-mate> ok well I wont hold you up too late....thank you very much again and salute
[01:17] <ouroumov> bye
[02:18] <Gallomimia> ah yes, the troubling re-installs
[02:18] <Gallomimia> i had that problem a few times...
[02:20] <ouroumov> hm
[02:38] <fifty-sevenC> I've heard some filesystems have issues if they aren't wiped before a reinstall.
[02:40] <TheMarius> hmmm ... volume control bug seem to happen when i launch an app like VLC
[02:40] <TheMarius> then volume control go into mongo mode... nothing works
[02:40] <fifty-sevenC> What volume control bug?
[02:40] <TheMarius> one ive had since i installed ubuntu mate
[02:41] <fifty-sevenC> Tell me what it is
[02:41] <TheMarius> its in indicator miniprogram 1.12.1
[02:42] <fifty-sevenC> That does not tell me the problem. What is mongo mode?
[02:42] <TheMarius> as in, it stops working ... closed apps are still there
[02:42] <TheMarius> but click anything in the list, nothing happens
[02:44] <fifty-sevenC> ok one minute
[02:44] <ouroumov> Not seeing it in the bug list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/
[02:44] <TheMarius> right
[02:44] <TheMarius> so do any of you notice this problem?
[02:44] <fifty-sevenC> I'm looking for the indicator app
[02:45] <TheMarius> i got issues running steam games too but thats obiosly since i have an ATI 5870 card.. not related to this
[02:46] <fifty-sevenC> mate-indicator-applet ?
[02:47] <TheMarius> guess thats it.. i use .no ubuntu
[02:47] <ouroumov> TheMarius, sorry I can't reproduce, I think it's because I upgraded my distro from 16.04 Beta2 that some stuff are locked on my machine
[02:47] <ouroumov> hang on, I found a way around
[02:47] <TheMarius> hmm
[02:48] <ouroumov> So TheMarius, I've got the applet sound menu now, what do I do?
[02:48] <TheMarius> fire up a few apps... idk.. spotify etc
[02:48] <ouroumov> I can apparently stop VLC playing music using that menu
[02:48] <TheMarius> something that plays
[02:48] <fifty-sevenC> So, do youmean the little popups that tell you what track is playing?
[02:48] <TheMarius> works?
[02:48] <ouroumov> I've got VLC, clementine and SMPlayer referenced in the menu
[02:48] <TheMarius> let it run for a while then
[02:49] <ouroumov> okay
[02:49] <TheMarius> see if it stops
[02:49] <TheMarius> it does here
[02:49] <fifty-sevenC> Oh you mean you want music to stop when you close an audio program?
[02:49] <TheMarius> works for a day or two
[02:49] <TheMarius> no
[02:49] <TheMarius> the indicator app stops working.. only works again if i remove it from the panel and reboot
[02:49] <fifty-sevenC> try opening a terminal
[02:50] <TheMarius> yep
[02:50] <fifty-sevenC> pkill mate-panel -signal 11
[02:50] <fifty-sevenC> that should restart mate-panel without needing tgo reboot
[02:50] <fifty-sevenC> ussually*
[02:50] <fifty-sevenC> sometimes it won't restart
[02:51] <fifty-sevenC> if it doesn't sudo restart
[02:51] <TheMarius> invalid session id: ignal <-- ?
[02:51] <fifty-sevenC> pkill mate-panel --signal 11
[02:52] <TheMarius> k... but didnt fix it
[02:52] <fifty-sevenC> Did the panel restart?
[02:52] <TheMarius> yeah but problem is still there
[02:52] <ouroumov> Still playing here
[02:53] <TheMarius> way i did it was remove the indicator app from the panel.. readded it.. run your command .. now its a "dead square" there instead of volume control
[02:53] <ouroumov> Still reactive too from the menu
[02:53] <TheMarius> same as i get if i just remove indicator app from panel and readd it
[02:53] <ouroumov> You're using 16.04 TheMarius ?
[02:53] <TheMarius> dead square is the volume control.. all other apps in the indicator panel works
[02:53] <TheMarius> yep
[02:54] <fifty-sevenC> Hmm
[02:54] <ouroumov> TheMarius, you can post about it on the forums or file a bug report, but I'm not sure what exact package would be responsible for that
[02:54] <fifty-sevenC> I'm pretty sure mate-panel is what runs the indicators
[02:54] <fifty-sevenC> lets see if reinstalling the packages helps
[02:55] <TheMarius> just got a crash
[02:55] <TheMarius> in /usr/bin/mate-panel
[02:55] <fifty-sevenC> The crash is just the reporter seeing in the log mate-panel was restarted. Don't worry about it.
[02:55] <TheMarius> ok
[02:56] <fifty-sevenC> Anytime you restart a desktop service it will think it crashed
[02:56] <TheMarius> interesting
[02:56] <TheMarius> variety doesnt work either now
[02:56] <TheMarius> havent had that before
[02:59] <fifty-sevenC> sudo apt-get install --reinstall mate-panel mate-indicator-applet mate-indicator-applet-common
[02:59] <fifty-sevenC> That might fix it, you will need to reboot after doing that
[02:59] <fifty-sevenC> But I never heard of the problem you're having.
[03:00] <TheMarius> ok .. one more bug .. it wont reboot
[03:00] <TheMarius> it shuts off the themes
[03:00] <TheMarius> but no reboot .. when i choose reboot from the panel
[03:00] <TheMarius> ran it... ill do a reboot now
[03:00] <TheMarius> brb!
[03:03] <TheMarius> back
[03:03] <fifty-sevenC> That is the theme manager being stupid. A known bug. It will reboot just takes a minute. To reboot faster just open a terminal and sudo reboot
[03:03] <TheMarius> ahh ok
[03:04] <fifty-sevenC> just fyi, if you sudo reboot it will come down immediately so it won't try to be friendsly with your apps and save your work or anything.
[03:04] <TheMarius> heh
[03:04] <TheMarius> well .. indicator seems fine now
[03:05] <fifty-sevenC> Well then, it might have just been a corrupted file somewhere. :)
[03:05] <TheMarius> but i did the same as i usually do to fix it.. reboot
[03:05] <TheMarius> so i wont know until ive been running it a while
[03:05] <TheMarius> maybe ..  ill keep you updated
[03:05] <fifty-sevenC> Alright
[03:06] <fifty-sevenC> You said you were having trouble with steam games?
[03:06] <TheMarius> yep
[03:06] <TheMarius> dota 2 etc wont start
[03:06] <TheMarius> team fortress 2 starts fine though
[03:06] <fifty-sevenC> any error output?
[03:06] <TheMarius> no
[03:06] <TheMarius> but when i launch steam i get a terminal message that i need to install latest version, press enter
[03:07] <Gallomimia> steam game? ask steam to verify the integrity of game cache
[03:07] <fifty-sevenC> Everytime?
[03:07] <Gallomimia> TheMarius: i been getting that too. it's nearly every time
[03:07] <TheMarius> i start it and nothing happens.. in some games i get a startup screen and it just freeze up, and if im lucky ill have it as a shadow on my desktop that wont go away
[03:07] <fifty-sevenC> I've noticed a lot of games that advertise support for linux are really "Here you go, no promises if it works"
[03:07] <Gallomimia> really??
[03:07] <Gallomimia> i haven't had a single problem
[03:08] <Gallomimia> er, except with payday2
[03:08] <TheMarius> everytime on dota 2.. others are steam etc.. just no reaction at all when i try to start it
[03:08] <TheMarius> but as i said, i have an ATI card
[03:08] <fifty-sevenC> Anything made with Unity that advertises linux support is "Fire and forget" and the devs have no idea how to troubleshoot it.
[03:08] <TheMarius> 5870 .. old one
[03:08] <Gallomimia> oh yeah
[03:08] <fifty-sevenC> Ok, steam has a little bug
[03:08] <Gallomimia> ati + linux = linux plus graphics card in the garbage
[03:08] <Gallomimia> so, yeah. just linux
[03:08] <TheMarius> we'll see.. new driver coming later this summer they say
[03:09] <fifty-sevenC> Wait a minute
[03:09] <Gallomimia> i threw mine out. seriously
[03:09] <fifty-sevenC> I am looking for the doc on the steam bug
[03:09] <fifty-sevenC> http://askubuntu.com/questions/689598/steam-wont-open-in-ubuntu-15-10
[03:09] <fifty-sevenC> Everytime steam updates I have to run the commands listed on that article.
[03:09] <fifty-sevenC> Then steam works fine
[03:10] <Gallomimia> you run 15-10?
[03:10] <TheMarius> either way, nvidia gtx 1080 out soon ... which means a bunch of kids will sell theyre old nvidia graphics card, so i might get a bargain on a better used one
[03:10] <fifty-sevenC> 16.04
[03:10] <Gallomimia> yeah that'd be cool
[03:10] <fifty-sevenC> But it has been a known problem for years
[03:10] <fifty-sevenC> Steam only targets SteamOS. It working on Ubuntu is incidental
[03:10] <TheMarius> if i had known this when i bought this card back in 2010 or so, i doubt id go ATI
[03:10] <TheMarius> they should indeed be boycotted
[03:11] <TheMarius> until they make descent linux drivers
[03:11] <fifty-sevenC> I have an HD4670 1GB and it works fine. Just old and no current driver support
[03:12] <ouroumov> TheMarius, it's the plan for them
[03:12] <fifty-sevenC> The problem is since there is no new driver support we are stuck with drivers that don't get any benefit from the current range of hacks that make AMD cards run well on Linux
[03:12] <TheMarius> well being able to game is some of the fun having a computer... idk what works well with an old 955 x4 3.2ghz amd processor but i wont waste $600 on a nvidia 1080 for sure on this rig
[03:12] <TheMarius> cpu would be too much of a bottleneck
[03:12] <ouroumov> AMD are going full on the open source route
[03:12] <TheMarius> but getting a cheaper nvidia used is an idea
[03:12] <fifty-sevenC> I wouldn't trust Nvidia much either
[03:13] <fifty-sevenC> A new currently supported card I think AMD is likely to work better.
[03:13] <ouroumov> nvidia prices for good mid-range hardware are sure to take a nosedive with the upcoming 1080 launch
[03:13] <TheMarius> thing is this old computer works fine .. think i bought it in 2008 and it does what i need
[03:13] <fifty-sevenC> Anyways, I am trying to sell my desktop with Win10 on it so I can build the exact same thing again but with VT-d/IOMMU support
[03:13] <TheMarius> speed is more than enough for anything i want to do except edit 4k video and play new games
[03:14] <TheMarius> but until 4k is the standard i doubt ill bother doing anything with this setuop
[03:14] <TheMarius> setup
[03:14] <ouroumov> hey TheMarius, my indicator applet just crashed
[03:14] <TheMarius> and thats still a few years ahead
[03:14] <TheMarius> ouroumov, same problem i have?
[03:14] <ouroumov> Not exactly
[03:15] <TheMarius> why didnt you have it by default btw?
[03:15] <ouroumov> As in, it relaunched fine and I can use it to stop playback again
[03:15] <TheMarius> ok
[03:15] <ouroumov> TheMarius, because I don't need it, I'm not a fine of programs not dying when I tell them to close
[03:15] <ouroumov> a fan *
[03:15] <fifty-sevenC> With VT-D/IOMMU support you can run Windows in a VM and give it direct hardware access. So you can play all the games at full speed but still have the main OS be linux.
[03:16] <TheMarius> thats sweet
[03:16] <TheMarius> linux should be main os
[03:17] <TheMarius> so you have a secure base
[03:17] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah the indicator confused the crap out of me too way back when.
[03:17] <fifty-sevenC> Start playing a mp3, get tired of it and close the app but it kept playing.
[03:17] <ouroumov> yeah
[03:17] <ouroumov> It's awful.
[03:17] <TheMarius> so its normal its buggy?
[03:18] <ouroumov> TheMarius, no
[03:18] <ouroumov> You should report your problem on the forum or on launchpad
[03:18] <TheMarius> im going to wait and see if reinstall solved it
[03:18] <fifty-sevenC> Wierd
[03:19] <fifty-sevenC> I never noticed I didn't have the right volume indicator
[03:19] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, it's not the default one I think
[03:19] <Gallomimia> i run linux so i can have a secure/stable base, but with my ati card, if any program made the wrong call to the gpu, it crashed X
[03:20] <Gallomimia> all programs started after i type my password were terminated.
[03:20] <Gallomimia> so, that had to go :/
[03:20] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, that is even worse then if the default indicator doesn't support playing in the background but the other indicator does
[03:22] <Gallomimia> here's hoping new drivers make it better. mine was a factory overclocked older model gpu on a newer card, so it had a bunch of manufacturer added stuff and needed proprietary drivers from the card maker, not ati. which were windows only of course
[03:23] <ouroumov> I don't think so fifty-sevenC
[03:23] <TheMarius> Gallomimia, that sucks, i guess thats why youre having problems
[03:23] <ouroumov> I'm quite content with the default indicator doing just the obvious: indicate, and control global volume
[03:23] <fifty-sevenC> Well music plays in the background with no way to stop it without reopening the app or having the other volume indicator
[03:24] <Gallomimia> TheMarius: not anymore. i gave that card away, and picked up an nvidia
[03:24] <TheMarius> ok
[03:24] <fifty-sevenC> My windows 10 box has Bestcrypt on it. You can't trust the built in windows full disk encryption since they admittted to having backdoors for police years ago
[03:24] <fifty-sevenC> So my Windows is secure, but using it is way to annoying
[03:24] <ouroumov> bestcrypt?
[03:25] <fifty-sevenC> besycrypt is made by a Finnish company called Jetico
[03:25] <ouroumov> if it's something running in windows it can't be secure
[03:25] <fifty-sevenC> $100 per year
[03:25] <fifty-sevenC> My most favorite thing ever is playing CS:GO and windows being like "Hey we scheduled a time for a reboot being RIGHT NOW because it looks like you're not using your computer"
[03:25] <fifty-sevenC> and get a timeout penalty for being forced to abandon a competitive match
[03:26] <ouroumov> haha
[03:26] <ouroumov> You sound like that dude on twitch the other day
[03:26] <ouroumov> At the end of a 9Hours long match
[03:26] <fifty-sevenC> It has happened to everyone. Not just that twitch guy
[03:26] <ouroumov> "We're installing W10 now, because fuck you."
[03:26] <fifty-sevenC> Happened to me multiple times actually. Not just in games but also lose my work
[03:27] <fifty-sevenC> I wish I never upgraded from windows 8.1 on my desktop. WIndows 10 is a a total CF.
[03:27] <TheMarius> lol my ati 5870 is still up there with nvidia gtx 660 ti etc
[03:27] <TheMarius> and people sell those still for a fair ammount of cash
[03:28] <TheMarius> actually beats it in most areas
[03:28] <fifty-sevenC> You would be surprised how many cards are just rebadges.
[03:28] <TheMarius> seems like things kind of haulted around 2010 or so
[03:28] <TheMarius> havent happened much since then
[03:28] <fifty-sevenC> the 5870 has been rebadged a few times. But even though they still sell them under a different name they don't support them in drivers anymore.
[03:28] <TheMarius> a 8 year old computer used to be a fossil back in the days... mine is still hanging on there
[03:29] <fifty-sevenC> But the 5870 is still fast because it doesn't support all the new features since then
[03:29] <TheMarius> wonder if this new driver applies to it
[03:29] <TheMarius> from amd
[03:29] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.jetico.com/products/personal-privacy/bestcrypt-volume-encryption
[03:30] <fifty-sevenC> There is the product I use. The only one I ever seen support secureboot and EUFI
[03:30] <TheMarius> veracrypt should do the trick
[03:30] <TheMarius> and its free
[03:30] <fifty-sevenC> Veracrypt does not support EUFI or secureboot
[03:30] <TheMarius> k
[03:31] <fifty-sevenC> trust me, I researched veracrypt before shelling out $100 for a 1 year license. lol
[03:31] <TheMarius> i dont bother encrypting anything
[03:32] <TheMarius> nothing i have worth stealing
[03:33] <fifty-sevenC> Anyways Bestcrypt promises no backdoors ever, and they have been security audited by the US Government to get their contracts. So I trust it. I don't thin kveracrypt has ever been audited.
[03:34] <fifty-sevenC> ie, US Government doesn't trust MS full disk encryption but does trust Jetico. :)
[03:35] <TheMarius> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-kills-off-support-for-pre-gcn-line/ <- ha i knew it ... guess im moving over to nvidia when 1080 ti comes out full force and prices on older cards plunge
[03:35] <ouroumov> I can't wait for the EU lawsuit against MS over the W10 bullshit
[03:37] <Gallomimia> crypto is a topic i want to talk about
[03:38] <Gallomimia> oh. pay-for encryption? as in.... not open source?
[03:38] <Gallomimia> terrible
[03:39] <fifty-sevenC> Open source doesn't matter if no one looks at it
[03:40] <TheMarius> i do
[03:40] <TheMarius> but thanks to software piracy few bother
[03:40] <fifty-sevenC> There have been a lot of terrible open source crypto libraries and apps
[03:41] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5938
[03:42] <alan_> Hola
[03:42] <fifty-sevenC> So yeah, you get the source when buy it
[03:42] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.jetico.com/download
[03:42] <fifty-sevenC> click encryption -> linux
[03:42] <fifty-sevenC> Gives you a tar file
[03:42] <fifty-sevenC> Hi alan
[03:45] <fifty-sevenC> Anyways, I remember when AMD said they were dropping support for my 4670. Said they were just making updates twice a year instead of every month. Then immediately made no updates ever.
[03:45] <Gallomimia> of course open source can be terrible. but you always have the problem of needing to find out from other software devs how well the software work
[03:46] <fifty-sevenC> Gallomimia, the problem isn't of software devs but actual cryptographers looking at it. Which the US government has a lot of.
[03:46] <Gallomimia> a subject i want to know much more about yes
[03:47] <fifty-sevenC> Well hit up your local bookstore and get some books on codebreaking
[03:47] <ouroumov> 57c, for how long though? US Gov is in full on war-on-crypto mode nowadays
[03:47] <Gallomimia> yep
[03:48] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, that is just the FBI being retarded. The NSA, CIA and DOD would not stand for their comms being forced to go in the clear.
[03:49] <fifty-sevenC> and no secure crypto means no online banking, no online stores. basically kill the online economy. SO the FBI can't and won't ever get its way. These things go in cycles.
[03:49] <ouroumov> No crypto = no internet
[03:49] <ouroumov> Sysadmins everywhere use SSH to administer the infrastructure
[03:49] <fifty-sevenC> The FBI will go "Think of the children!", be told where to mail itself and in 20 years be at it again after everyone had retired from the last fiasco
[03:51] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, think of all the servers that could be thrown away due to lack of need for them. Can't have user logins, stores, etc. Just static web pages. We could fit the whole internet on one server then! lol
[03:51] <fifty-sevenC> Who needs SSH then? lol
[03:52] <ouroumov> sure
[03:52] <fifty-sevenC> 1999 era internet again.
[03:52] <ouroumov> actually, all the US part of the internet :)
[03:53] <ouroumov> Other countries won't follow suit. US would shoot itself in the foot.
[03:53] <fifty-sevenC> The US part also controls the global naming system and the vast majority of the base of the trust chains
[03:54] <fifty-sevenC> no chain of trust to resolve too == no encryption.
[03:55] <ouroumov> Yeah but once the US is as relevant as a small farmer's village, this will be a minor problem for the other countries to solve
[04:01] <fifty-sevenC> I'm not saying new chains of trust couldn't be made, but that it would be an immediate world wide impact affecting the entire internet and making new cains of trust takes time.
[04:01] <qumbaala> r_L to open menu...any suggestions?
[04:01] <ouroumov> hi qumbaala
[04:01] <fifty-sevenC> r_l what?
[04:01] <qumbaala> Hey, I cant seem to get Super_L to open menu, any suggestions/
[04:01] <ouroumov> qumbaala, please be more verbose in the way you describe your issue
[04:01] <ouroumov> okay
[04:02] <qumbaala> Sorry, first half of the message got cut off :D
[04:02] <ouroumov> Was Super+L always a thing?
[04:02] <ouroumov> It's not a shortcut I have
[04:02] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah that isn't a thing by default
[04:03] <grey__> hi where can I uninstall firefox
[04:03] <ouroumov> qumbaala, what menu are you talking about, the global menu?
[04:03] <fifty-sevenC> You can add the shortcut yourself in the Keyboard Shortcuts menu
[04:03] <ouroumov> hi grey__
[04:03] <qumbaala> No, its not!  Yes the global menu.
[04:03] <qumbaala> I've tried changing it to Super_L
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[04:03] <ouroumov> Yeah
[04:03] <ouroumov> the windows key
[04:04] <ouroumov> grey__, open a terminal and type in: sudo apt remove firefox
[04:04] <grey__> software boutique support uninstall right?
[04:04] <grey__> oh so I have to do it in terminal
[04:04] <ouroumov> It will tell you to remove mate-desktop or whatever but according to the forum it's just meta-packages that are safe to remove grey__
[04:04] <ouroumov> grey__, well I don't think firefox, being a core application, is listed in the boutique
[04:04] <ouroumov> I could be wrong
[04:05] <grey__> oh my bad. thank you ouroumov
[04:05] <ouroumov> yw
[04:08] <fifty-sevenC> I leave firefox installed. You never know if you might need it
[04:08] <fifty-sevenC> and it is a trivial amount of disk space
[04:09] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, yes but it's often updated and that's not a trivial amount of bandwidth
[04:09] <ouroumov> (for some people)
[04:09] <grey__> I dont use firefox, yeah a good browser but I love chrome
[04:13] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[04:13] <ouroumov> sup Nosophorus
[04:14] <HetroErectus> <- themarius back on windows machine
[04:16] <fifty-sevenC> Hi
[04:18] <HetroErectus> my trusty old surface pro 3
[04:20] <HetroErectus> looking at benchmarks
[04:20] <HetroErectus> i was right reg my cpu ... 955 x4 3.2ghz amd is still a descent processor
[04:20] <HetroErectus> 8 years after i bought it
[04:20] <HetroErectus> LOL
[04:21] <HetroErectus> performance like i3 and some of the lower end i5s
[04:21] <HetroErectus> id have to go i7 to enter into new territory regarding cpu use.. such as 4k video editing etc
[04:21] <HetroErectus> so makes sense to wait with upgrading anything to 4k is standard
[04:22] <fifty-sevenC> My desktop has an i3 with hyperthreading in it
[04:22] <HetroErectus> however.. here in farmville we still have 3mbit line so that'll wait to fiber gets here
[04:23] <HetroErectus> yeah it works fine
[04:24] <HetroErectus> and i have a playstation 4 to run battlefield so
[04:24] <HetroErectus> upgrading is still out..i was considering it but nope
[04:27] <fifty-sevenC> I am hoping to build a really cheap server soon to build a docker swarm on
[04:31] <fifty-sevenC> That would be so much fun.
[04:40] <gemini__> hi
[04:41] <ouroumov> hi gemini__
[04:41] <gemini__> got a qustion
[04:42] <ouroumov> shoot
[04:43] <gemini__> i got a raspberry pie 3 but cant get chromeuim oos to bood ?
[04:43] <ouroumov> hwat?
[04:44] <gemini__> i cant get chromioum os installed on the raspberry pie 3
[04:45] <gemini__> i can wright the iso to the sd card but it wont boot
[04:46] <ouroumov> You mean "Chrome OS"? The google OS?
[04:46] <gemini__> ya
[04:46] <ouroumov> This here is the Ubuntu MATE support channel :o
[04:46] <gemini__> ok
[04:46] <ouroumov> Maybe the google guys have their own channel to help you :o
[04:49] <gemini__> i also tryed to install the chrome browser but it keep closing?
[04:51] <ouroumov> Did you install it through the software boutique ?
[04:51] <gemini__> yes
[04:51] <ouroumov> (Welcome -> Software)
[04:51] <ouroumov> hm
[04:51] <ouroumov> And your system is fully up to date?
[04:51] <fifty-sevenC> I wasn't aware chrome OS supported rpi
[04:52] <gemini__> they didi for the pie 2
[04:53] <fifty-sevenC> You have to use a different version
[04:53] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.chromiumosforsbc.org/home/
[04:54] <gemini__> i been there to get the iso
[04:54] <gemini__> but the pie 3 wont boot it
[04:55] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.chromiumosforsbc.org/install/
[04:55] <fifty-sevenC> Try folliwing the Mac install instructions
[04:56] <gemini__> would if i had a mac
[04:56] <fifty-sevenC> it should work except diskutil
[04:57] <fifty-sevenC> instead use sudo fdisk -l
[04:58] <gemini__> unless they dont have one for the pie 3 yet
[07:09] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov, Evening (or morning)...have earlier this afternoon found "mate-panel" consuming 86% of my available memory...quite interesting that...(have a screenshot of the window if required)
[07:12] <ouroumov_> Hey YankDownUnder
[07:12] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov_, G'day
[07:12] <ouroumov_> Gday to you
[07:13] <ouroumov_> YankDownUnder, so have you filed a bug report yet?
[07:14] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov_, I shall do that after the "better half" is finished telling me what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and in what fashion to do it. I defer to her judgement in life. Makes things easier.
[07:15] <ouroumov_> So what's she telling you to do right now?
[07:16] <YankDownUnder> SHE is telling me heaps other things as she regards anything to do with IT as an alien universe - if it's outside of FB and chatting, it doesn't truly exist (and email)
[07:25] <ouroumov_> Well this is chatting, of a sort
[07:31] <YankDownUnder> ouroumov_, It's still alien. IRC, regardless of it's age and tenure, does not actually exist in the missus' world...it's a frivolous imagined thing. Like fixing computers. Or "operating systems other than Windows".
[07:32] <ouroumov_> Well
[07:32] <ouroumov_> I know your pain.
[07:33] <ouroumov_> Hang in there.
[07:33] <ouroumov_> I'm off to fetch a cup of joe.
[08:21] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:22] <alkisg> Good morning flexiondotorg
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> alkisg, o/
[08:26] <flexiondotorg> Just finishing off some IRC stuff :-)
[08:27] <alkisg> :)
[08:27] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: you may also put the irclogs in the /topic if you like
[08:27] <alkisg> E.g. "channel logs available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/"
[08:30] <alkisg> !ask
[08:30] <alkisg> Nice, ubottu is working :)
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> alkisg, Turns out my bounder lost some of its configuration :-(
[08:51]  * alkisg was looking at starting to use znc, but was too lazy to configure it :D
[09:24] <BlackPanx> hey guys... i've set LTS in my /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, currently i run 15.10 version of ubuntu mate, yet do-release-upgrade doesn't show latest 16.04 LTS release to me... anything i can do ?
[09:25] <alkisg> BlackPanx: put "normal" there
[09:25] <alkisg> lts will be "activated" with 16.04.1
[09:25] <BlackPanx> oh
[09:26] <BlackPanx> any eta on that ?
[09:26] <alkisg> There's a wiki page, google for "xenial release schedule"
[09:26] <BlackPanx> i'll check it
[09:26] <BlackPanx> thanks
[09:26] <alkisg>  39     July 21st      PointRelease  Ubuntu 16.04.1
[09:27] <BlackPanx> ouch
[09:27] <BlackPanx> 2 months still
[09:27] <BlackPanx> okay
[09:28] <ouroumov_> uh, arstechnica is down
[09:29] <BlackPanx> thanks for info alksig i'll just update to 16.04 now
[09:36] <nicola> ciao
[09:37] <ouroumov_> hi nicola
[10:13] <ouroumov_> Damn so the channel is publicly logged now
[10:14] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna have to watch my language
[10:15] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, :-)
[10:37] <ricotz> flexiondotorg, hi
[10:38] <ricotz> flexiondotorg, I assume you are running xenial on a pi2 yourself, did you ran network trouble with systemd 229-4ubuntu5?
[10:39] <flexiondotorg> ricotz, Pi3 currently, with Ubuntu MATE 16.04. No issues other than the recently fixed Network Manager.
[10:40] <ricotz> flexiondotorg, with -proposed pocket?
[10:40] <flexiondotorg> No, without proposed.
[10:40] <ricotz> hmm, I see
[10:40] <ricotz> with 4.4.10?
[10:41] <flexiondotorg> 4.4.10 of what?
[10:41] <ricotz> the kernel
[10:42] <flexiondotorg> No, 4.1.19.
[10:43] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE build of 16.04 for the Pi 2/3 use the Raspberry Pi Foundation kernel.
[10:43] <ricotz> oh, this seems quite outdated and vulnerable
[10:44] <ricotz> yeah, and this 4.4.10 is the official build from rpi-update
[10:44] <flexiondotorg> ricotz, Yeah, you can use rpi-update to get the latest.
[10:45] <flexiondotorg> I've not tested that one much though.
[10:45] <flexiondotorg> Mirroring what Raspbian ships.
[10:45] <ricotz> alright, I keep systemd pinned for a bit longer then
[10:46] <ricotz> I would assume raspbian ships something newer by now ;)
[10:47] <ricotz> * Updated firmware and kernel (https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/cc6d7bf8b4c03a2a660ff9fdf4083fc165620866)
[11:47] <mate|21500> hi.i have a question about fan working in ubuntu mate 16.04 with amd gpu.both in windows and ubuntu almost system temp are similar but fan working in ubuntu is more than windows! is it normally?
[11:50] <mate|21500> any answer?
[12:31] <petrolhead_neel> Hi all
[12:31] <petrolhead_neel> Anyone using MATE 16.04 on RPI2?
[12:37] <flexiondotorg> petrolhead_neel, Yes.
[12:37] <petrolhead_neel> @flexiondotorg, which browser are you using?
[12:38] <flexiondotorg> Firefox.
[12:38] <petrolhead_neel> Does it lag on websites like Facebook?
[12:40] <flexiondotorg> Yes, it lags on complex sites, but that is kind of to be expected.
[12:42] <petrolhead_neel> Agreed
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> petrolhead_neel, You might want to install "webbrowser-app oxideqt-codecs-extra"
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> That is the Ubuntu browser for Ubuntu Touch.
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> I've not tested it on the Pi yet, but it is based on Chromium and stripped down.
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> Might be good.
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
[12:43] <petrolhead_neel> BTW, I have  a CM Storm Devastator keyboard anmd whenever I plug in more than one USB drive, that backlight goes off. Power issues, I guess
[12:45] <petrolhead_neel_> I am using 5v Samsung adapter
[12:51] <tv_> hi
[12:51] <tv_> i have problem with fresh player on firefox
[12:51] <tv_> i need some help =)
[12:51] <petrolhead_neel_> You mean flash?
[12:52] <tv_> flash doesnt work on raspberry
[12:52] <tv_> i have apt get fresh player
[12:53] <tv_> and now i have a problem failed to load libpepflashplayer.so
[12:54] <tv_> i use this : https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/tutorial-flash-player-for-chromium-and-firefox/3598
[12:56] <tv_> who know this problem on freshplayer => failed to load libpepflashplayer.so
[15:14] <tv_> hi community i need some help for ubuntumate on raspberry
[15:14] <tv_> flashplayer dont work i try use pepperflash i have problem
[15:15] <tv_> and chromuim was intalled but dont work to, he start and crash
[15:15] <tv_> ideas ?
[15:15] <ouroumov_> hi tv_
[15:16] <ouroumov_> tv_, did you try Google Chrome? I'm not sure it's available for rpi but if it is, it might be worth checking out
[15:17] <tv_> no i go try now but i prefer firefox =)
[15:19] <tv_> now idea why chromium crash at start ?
[15:19] <tv_> i install him with welcome of ubuntu mate
[15:19] <ouroumov_> Sorry but no, I don't have a rpi either so I can't test that for myself
[15:20] <ouroumov_> btw did you install flash through the software boutique too?
[15:22] <tv_> adobe flash player is incomatible with rpi
[15:23] <tv_> the welcome ubuntu mate say use pepperflash
[15:23] <tv_> but after pepper flash installed i have problem with lipepflashplayer.so -_-
[15:24] <tv_> google chrome dont compatible with rpi xD
[15:25] <ouroumov_> Yeah
[15:25] <ouroumov_> Well, have you checked the forums? Maybe another rpi user has found a solution? :/
[15:26] <tv_> i search ^^but dont found actually
[15:27] <tv_> welcome give me this tutorial for flash on rpi but dont work :/ https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/tutorial-flash-player-for-chromium-and-firefox/3598
[15:37] <mate|29517> Good morning.  I am looking for information on how to place icons where I want them on the desktop.  I am trying to manage a group of thin clients with puppet and want them all to be placed in the same spot.  Is there a file I can change somewhere?  Thanks.
[15:40] <Akuli> mate|29517, i doubt they're in a single file, see your dconf editor
[15:46] <mate|29517> Thank you Akuli, I have been through there quite extensively, without finding any reference to my particular files.  Even a search turns up nothing for their names.
[15:47] <Akuli> Right, dconf and gsettings are used for a lot of little things like this
[15:47] <Akuli> not single files, that'd be a lot more work than a good setting manager for everyone :)
[17:08] <mohamed_> mohamed ahmed
[17:10] <ouroumov> hi
[20:30] <frankmate> y there
[20:30] <frankmate> hey there
[20:47] <Fluxxuate> greetings and salutations everyone...
[20:48] <festerB> Fluxxuate: hello.... c?
[20:49] <Fluxxuate> I am curious about the UbuntuMate Raspberry Pi version running on a stock raspberry pi 3 and the software in the software boutique
[20:50] <festerB> Fluxxuate: someone else pls, don't know about the pie...
[20:51] <Fluxxuate> Whenever i attempt to install the software it indicates that it is successfully installed (ie. Chromium and Gparted) but GParted does not show in my accessories menu and chromium launches and crashes before it displays a single web page. Am I doing something wrong?
[20:52] <Fluxxuate> That's okay festerB, I trust that I'll be confused enough about something on my 64bit UbuntuMate build down the line...lol
[20:52] <gordonjcp> Fluxxuate: try running Chromium from a terminal and see if it shows any error messages
[20:55] <Fluxxuate> gordonjcp: I am a total neophyte with the terminal, what do I enter to proceed as you suggested?
[20:57] <gordonjcp> open a terminal and type "chromium-browser"
[20:57] <gordonjcp> or maybe even just "chro<tab>"
[20:58] <Fluxxuate> Here is my error message:
[20:58] <Fluxxuate> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:58] <Fluxxuate> ccagle@cdcrp-desktop:~$ [3287:3287:0517/155740:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(334)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process
[20:59] <gordonjcp> doesn't tell me anything, but maybe you can submit a bug on launchpad
[20:59] <gordonjcp> Fluxxuate: try googling for the error message
[20:59] <gordonjcp> maybe leave off the numbers
[21:02] <festerB> maybe disable hw acceleration if possible, both ff and chrome somethimes go for that
[21:03] <Fluxxuate> wow...apparently i am not a "special snowflake" afterall. There is a huge amount of information on this issue. Thank you for the suggestion to find errors by using the terminal. Really appreciated.
[21:05] <Fluxxuate> festerB: hmmmm...it is such a "simple but complex" device I would not think that somewhat "hobbling" in further would be prudent. Still I am willing to try...perhaps it will help or be useful for others.
[21:07] <gordonjcp> Fluxxuate: one thing that seems to crop up is downgrading to an older build
[21:14] <Fluxxuate> All Interested: I downgraded following the instructions from this post I found: http://ubuntu-mate.community/t/chromium-crashes-when-starting-segfaults/4578/12 and it works perfectly now!
[21:16] <Fluxxuate> However, now I am curious what I could do to help make the most recent version work properly. I am by no means a strong coder; I have a limited but favorable experience with C and Java. I am better at diagnostic and analytical tasks but is there any way to contribute to FLOSS project with such a limited skillset? I would think I would be of the most service by staying out of the way and letting the proficient
[21:16] <Fluxxuate> handle the situation?
[21:28] <daniel_> Hello, I'm running Ubuntu Mate in VirtualBox, is there anyway to get this to display in 1080p?
[21:29] <randall> daniel_,  do you have guest editions installed?
[21:32] <daniel_> Does it come with VirtuaBox?
[21:33] <randall> installs separately
[21:33] <pavlos> daniel_, you can d/l them from the vb site
[21:34] <nomic> install guest additiions is an option on virtualbox menu
[21:34] <cheaser> hello. so i have just installed chronium web browser thru the ubuntu software store. Whenever i try to open the application it will close down before it even opens up. What might the problem be?
[21:37] <daniel_> where is it at on the VB menu?
[21:40] <pavlos> daniel_, after you start your VM, look at Devices, insert Guest Additions CD ... (make sure you have it d/l it from the VB site)
[21:41] <tiox> Huh? How can there bs a person named WIMPy who isn't Martin Wimpress?
[21:41] <tiox> Anyway, forun auth for google is broken.
[21:44] <daniel_> Alright, thank you. I'll give it a try. I'll have to log out of this but I'll come back if I have any more issues.
[21:54] <daniel_> Okay I've downloaded the Guest Additions iso and have it set to run in Mate, it shows up on my desktop.
[21:56] <daniel_> Should I run it in Ubuntu now or should I extract and run it on my main PC
[22:01] <nomic> once guest additions installed in virtualbox -- fullscreen should be available
[22:01] <nomic> just install it
[23:20] <Guest88813> hi?
[23:20] <nomic> hi
[23:20] <Guest88813> i was you?
[23:21] <nomic> do you need help with ubuntu
[23:21] <nomic> mate
[23:23] <Guest88813> ok  by
[23:23] <Guest88813> bye
[23:30] <fifty-sevenC> Hi
[23:33] <nomic> hi
[23:34] <nomic> do you have a problem or a question about ubuntu mate
[23:34] <fifty-sevenC> no
[23:37] <TheMarius> hey guys ... the volum control has crashed again
[23:37] <TheMarius> time to file bug report i guess
[23:39] <fifty-sevenC> yup
[23:41] <fifty-sevenC> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-indicator-applet
[23:41] <fifty-sevenC> click "Report a bug"
[23:43] <nomic> "the volume control has crashed again" 1. what 'volume control' are you talking about .. 2. nature of crash  3. "again"?  why do you say "again" - there have been no reports of volume control "crashing" .. things don't "crash"
[23:44] <nomic> there are many options for volume control
[23:44] <nomic> many different ways
[23:44] <fifty-sevenC> It is mate-indicator-applet crashing
[23:44] <fifty-sevenC> Crashed on mine when I used it
[23:45] <fifty-sevenC> last night
[23:45] <nomic> there are other applets for volume control
[23:45] <nomic> what do you mean "crashed"
[23:45] <fifty-sevenC> Pretty sure it crashed on ouroumov's system too
[23:45] <nomic> you have @ the very least "alsamixer" .. use it in bash
[23:46] <nomic> this is vague information -- if you really have an issue post a topic on the forum site (ubuntu forums)
[23:46] <fifty-sevenC> Not the volume applet
[23:46] <fifty-sevenC> the mate-indicator-applet