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mcphailHe isn't dogfooding the phone or Unity8. Attention diverted to juju00:00
sebsebsebbregma: ogra_ so not on Linux Today where there's also two comments, but on the actsual linked to article,  I liked the comment from someonen wehre they basically say that embracing Ubuntu'[[s convergence I thinik they meant xmir really etc too when saying that,  is a way to keep  desktop Linux alive basically in the new mobile world: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/how-long-will-desktop-linux-last-160513073812.html00:00
bregmadesktop, maybe not, because the desktop as a concept is going to go the way of the Hi-Fi stereo00:00
bregmafull convergence, one systemn on all devices, that's definitely a thing he's excited about00:00
mcphailbregma: maybe, maybe not. But he isn't excited enough about convergence to be dogfooding a Unity8 device. That made me sad00:01
sebsebsebwhat you mean dog fooding?00:01
sebsebsebgiving it loads of attention ? money etc?00:01
ogra_i saw him dogfood the tablet the last week00:02
mcphailsebsebseb: using your own code on a day-to-day basis00:02
ogra_so thats definitely not true :)00:02
bregmawell, truth be told, even I do not dogfood, because the things I really use every day are not ready yet -- multiple workspaces on multiple monitors00:02
sebsebsebyeah he said he used alternaives still too00:02
ogra_sure00:02
bregmaI use a Ubuntu phone as my day-to-day phone, it's good00:02
bregmabut not Unity 8 desktop00:02
* sebsebseb has used Ubuntu phone as my phone for months now no problem,but I am also not really running or wanting to run lots of apps really, so that's fine00:02
bregmaI do, however, have a finger on when what I need will be ready00:03
* sebsebseb should in a way do more with that jolla phone to though, and has't since som sighty silly reasons00:03
ogra_i actually try to get along with the tablet s laptop replacement ... works for most of my usecaases already00:03
sebsebsebogra_: yep I have treid that to00:03
sebsebsebtablet instead of lap top00:03
sebsebsebfor  text things00:03
sebsebsebhowever it seems to  not keep up with my typing speed that well,   hmm00:04
sebsebsebthe Ubuntu M10 HD00:04
bregmaalso, I have only one table and I need to test potentially breaking releases on it, not good for day-to-day dogfooding00:04
sebsebsebtable tablet I guss you meant00:04
bregmayes, tablet00:05
ogra_in any case unity8 will take over the dektop at some point00:05
mcphailAnyway, night all00:05
ogra_(and snappy the bottom layer)00:05
sebsebsebthings will start going there with 16.1000:05
sebsebsebthat way00:05
bregmayep00:05
sebsebsebby next LTS it's probaably been default in UBuntu already for a release or two as well00:06
ogra_and eventually you will have snappy unity8 working on all devics you can imagine00:06
bregmahopefully00:06
ogra_including TV00:06
ogra_(as that is just another spinoff)00:06
sebsebsebbregma: hoepfuly to what I put?00:06
sebsebsebogra_: TV is put on hold for now though00:06
JanCone reason why people use X directly in their apps is that Gtk & Qt don't provide solutions for everything they need...  ;)00:07
bregmaJanC, sometimes, yes00:07
ogra_sebsebseb, yes, till convergence is fully there00:07
ogra_and snapppy00:07
bregmaJanC sometimes it's unjustified -- one game just used it to get the screen size, which it already had directly from SDL00:08
sebsebsebogra_: yeah  something like that00:08
sebsebsebogra_: and  when phone and tablet has  made Canonical enough profit already maybe as well, as a side point :d he h00:08
ogra_phone and tablet dont make profit00:08
* sebsebseb wonders how much they really get from the current BQ and Meizu sales of any of the Ubuntu devices00:08
ogra_and i doubt anyone from us expects it to00:08
sebsebsebogra_: us ?00:09
ogra_canonical00:09
JanCmaybe there is/was a reason not to use SDL for that...00:09
sebsebsebogra_: I guess it makes BQ and Meizu profit though :d00:09
ogra_probablly not meizu00:09
sebsebsebnot Mezu ???00:09
ogra_definitely bq00:09
sebsebsebwhy not Meiz u?00:09
ogra_well, given the amount of phones meizu puts out each round ...00:10
sebsebsebhmm maybe00:10
ogra_i doubt it makes them any measurable profit compared to the grand total00:10
sebsebsebbregma: a bigger Ubuntu pressence at FODEM next year meaning?00:10
sebsebsebJanC: oh yeah you been to FOSDEM to haven't you?00:11
JanCof course00:11
sebsebsebJanC: yeah I thiik I chatted to y9ou  in the channel for that a a few times00:11
bregmasebsebseb, maybe a table with swag00:11
ogra_whereas bq just got a price for their millionst phone sold when canonical joined them00:11
ogra_10000 ubuntu phones are quite a margin for a player like bq .....00:11
ogra_while they arent for someone like meizu00:12
* sebsebseb thinks certain people in my family will be a little hmm about me wanting to go to Brussels next year, after that attack this year00:12
ogra_go by car00:12
sebsebsebogra_: can't didn't sort out driing years ago etc00:12
sebsebsebogra_: the best way from wehre I am the quickest  but more expensive is to yep fly00:12
sebsebsebas well00:12
bregmadrive in Brussels?  Are you CRAZY?00:13
sebsebsebno not going to London anad what not first on a train or whatever, and then go that way00:13
ogra_lol00:13
JanCI go to FOSDEM by car, no problem to drive there00:13
ogra_mericans ....00:13
sebsebsebI guess that air port should be even more secure though or you would think so00:13
sebsebsebafter what happended00:13
ogra_:)00:13
swalladgehow do you enable the 'side stage' split screen feature?00:14
swalladgei haven't been able to find it anywhere00:14
JanCat least, no problem during FOSDEM00:14
sebsebsebbregma: JanC your not scared of going to Brussels after that  news from the other month?00:14
ogra_swalladge, drag an app with three finger to the right side00:14
JanCyou don't want to go there by car during peak hours on a work day  :P00:14
bregmasebsebseb, you've more likely to be run over by a Brussels motorist on the way to FOSDEM than be harmed in a terrorist attack00:15
sebsebsebbregma: that's something I noticed to in Brussles got a crossing with lights etc,  but actsaully a lot of drivers don't seem to care much if it's green or red00:16
sebsebseba particular crosisng comes to mind near the hotel00:16
sebsebsebbregma: where as in UK as you wouold know as well I guess, genearlly  red means stop for car,s etc, and green on the thing means go for pedestriatins if a walking one,  unless an amubulance or something uh...00:17
swalladgeogra_: thanks :)00:17
* sebsebseb nearly got hit by an amublance once or maybe at a crossing since...00:17
sebsebseblast year00:17
bregmamy daughter went to ULB, she taught me how to cross streets there:  just go and don't hesitate or they'll run you down00:17
JanCcompared to Turkey or Italy most people in Brussels actually stop at traffic lights00:17
sebsebsebbregma: oh you got a duaghter, and that actsaully stuided at uLB?00:17
bregmaI find London and New York are the same00:17
swalladgeooh i like side stage00:18
JanCsebsebseb: ambulances with sirens & blue flashing lights have priority of course00:18
ogra_swalladge, it still has some issues, but yeah, it is getting there00:18
sebsebsebbregma: JanC are we vampires, it's night :D h e h,  even worse for JanC an hour a head00:18
sebsebsebJanC: yeah I was rushing to a bus stop  did the traffic lights as normal, but then this vechicle with blue  ights came along , didn't think much of it, started going across...00:19
bregmaI have a meeting with some Australians in an hour or so, I'm just killing time00:19
sebsebsebbregma: oh a meeting where?00:19
bregmaonline00:20
sebsebsebbregma: oh IRC?00:20
JanCsebsebseb: I'm pretty sure ambulances with sound/light signals have priority in other countries too?00:20
sebsebsebJanC: it moved to the other side, beepd horn at me, and I reolised what had happended pretty much straight after that, it was  like 10 30,  no siren00:21
sebsebseb10 30 pm00:21
sebsebsebdark  rainy00:21
sebsebsebnovember or osmething00:21
JanCoh00:21
sebsebsebJanC: where I live near the city don't tend to get amublances around here, but that was in the city, and well yeah there's a hospital near where I was crossing as well so00:21
bregmasome parts of towns have laws preventing emergency vehicles from using their sirens00:21
JanCwithout a siren they *don't* have priority though00:21
sebsebsebJanC: in England  as  well?00:22
sebsebsebbregma: I was thinking maybe at a time of night they  shoudn't use there siren, maybe 10 30 pm is to late for the siren ?00:22
JanCbregma: I assume they still have to use the siren before crossing a red light?00:22
bregmahere all they need is the flashing lights for priority00:22
sebsebsebwell first time I had such a issue and hpefully last00:22
sebsebsebbut well there we go just ssince it says green on the pedestrain lighted up sign,  may not actsaully mean it's all safe etc to go00:23
sebsebsebacross the road00:23
bregmaJanC, dunno, but I've always seen them at least beep their horns going through a red light00:23
JanCyeah, well, a sound signal at least00:23
sebsebsebbregma: ok that amublance I don't think beeped first,00:24
sebsebsebonly after I stared corssing00:24
sebsebsebhold on be right back or back soon I guess...00:24
sebsebsebneed to do something or it will be so late....00:24
sebsebseband JanC is  a vampire it seems!00:25
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danimanHey guys, I have been using  ubuntu-touch for a month and i liked it because it has a linux flavor and having a functional linux Os in my pocket, But using it for daily purpose or there are some apps i really want to be ported. so my intention is dual-booting ubuntu-touch and andriod? is it possible?06:54
lotuspsychjedaniman: yes, but youl need a rom manager or something06:55
lotuspsychjedaniman: its something you need to install to dualboot06:55
lotuspsychjedaniman: so you can choose with Os to select at startup06:55
danimanlotuspsychje: Ok, what i can find in the wiki assumes that i have andriod installed06:58
lotuspsychjedaniman: try to search the google app store for software dualboot06:58
lotuspsychjedaniman: search for boot manager or rom manager06:58
danimanlotuspsychje: I got a bashscript which can handle this stuff06:59
danimanhttp://humpolec.ubuntu.com/latest/dualboot.sh06:59
lotuspsychjewell i didnt play with myself, just know its possible06:59
danimanNice to hear, any custom andriod rom which has a home button and back . .  like Nexus phones07:01
danimanany compatible andriod rom for dual-booting with touch?08:38
danimanlinks would be perfect08:38
pstolowskitsdgeos, hey, failure on tzPage test in silo 8, known?10:43
tsdgeospstolowski: there's N faiulres in the wizard known10:47
tsdgeosi guess yes10:47
pstolowskitsdgeos, oki10:47
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mterrytedg, registry.cpp in UAL needs a stub implementation for setManager13:03
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mterrytedg, also when you're around, I want to chat about the Manager interactions in general13:08
tedgmterry: Sure13:13
tedgmterry: Hmm, I thought there was a stub... let me look.13:13
mterrytedg, there is an implementation in registry-impl.cpp, but nothing that points to it in registry.cpp13:15
tedgHeh, oops :-)13:16
mterrytedg, so for the Manager...  hooking it up to the existing qtmir code, I don't think we ever fail a focusRequest.  Was that just future-proofing or is there an existing flow that you expect we might return false for that?13:16
mterry(I guess if we don't have the app, we won't do anything...  but not a likely flow)13:16
tedgmterry: I was figuring there were "bring to front" cases with modal dialogs or some such that we'd want to fail.13:17
tedgmterry: Those are both the cases where we waited on Unity. So that's why I put them there.13:17
mterrytedg, ok cool13:17
mterrytedg, ah, but that's my next point -- waiting on Unity13:18
tedgmterry: You don't *have* to fail things just because you can. That's the first thing you have to learn when teaching :-)13:18
mterrytedg, could take a long time.  And these interaction points expect their answer by the end of the function.  So we'd have to spin off a thread for the manager.  Could we operate on asynchronous pairing of methods or signals?13:18
tedgmterry: I guess I don't understand why they'd take so long?13:19
mterrytedg, consider the case of start approval that I'm trying to implement -- launching a legacy app in phone mode.  The design says to throw up a dialog saying "please plug your phone to launch this app" with a cancel button.  Design hasn't *demanded* this yet, but I think it makes sense that if the user plugs in the phone while that dialog is up, we continue launching the app.  Which means u8 wouldn't be able to respond yes or no until the dialog13:20
mterry is cancelled or the phone is plugged13:20
tedgmterry: Or you could cancell behind the scenes and if they later plugin just launch the app?13:21
tedgcancel13:21
mterrytedg, but we lose arguments13:21
mterrytedg, I guess we could save arguments...13:21
tedgmterry: Oh, the URL?13:21
mterrytedg, yeah13:22
mterrytedg, but do we have the arguments at that point?13:22
tedgmterry: We don't, but we could.13:22
mterryif some rando app initiated the launch?13:22
mterrytedg, so I guess the question is who should be saving state during this interaction13:23
mterrytedg, and or future interactions of a similar sort13:23
mterrytedg, but the API of must-return-in-this-function is limiting in that regard is what I mean.13:24
mterryeven if we decide u8 should immediately fail and save state in this case, we might have similar issues in future13:24
tedgmterry: Yeah, I guess if everyone switched to an async launch. Because otherwise you're blocking the otherside too.13:24
tedgmterry: The person holding the state is the person who launched it. Which is a little odd because we're saying they have to stay alive long enough to see it through.13:25
tedgmterry: So, for instance, if url-dispatcher was to exit, we'd need a way to tell U8 to close the dialog.13:25
mterrytedg, well anyone foolish enough to use sync API knows what they signed up for  :)13:25
tedgmterry: I'm kinda leaning towards the person with the UI element should save the state.13:28
tedgmterry: But we probably need another status in that U8 can say "DELAYED" instead of fail.13:28
mterrytedg, and we'd also need a way to pass state along so that the person with the UI element *can* save state13:29
mterryMaybe qtmir has that already?13:30
* mterry looks13:30
mterrytedg, I guess we could have the information we need if Instance exposed it's urls?13:31
tedgmterry: Yeah, I think it'd have to be part of the callback.13:31
mterrytedg, I'm still a little uncomfortable with the thinking that Manager calls *must* immediately return.  But I don't have an example besides this one where we want to13:32
tedgmterry: It'll be on the UAL thread, so it doesn't have to be *immediate*, but it seems like every ms is gonna delay app startup.13:32
mterrytedg, but in this case for example, that's intentional13:33
mterrytedg, on the app-launch side.  But on the qtmir side, we may want to delay without spinning a thread for Manager13:33
mterryLike you were hinting at, it feels wrong to tell the launcher that it FAILED.  So we need a new DELAYED state, I guess.  But what does the launcher do with that information?  Seems nicer to tell launcher what really happens, when it really happens13:35
tedgmterry: I see what you're saying, I'm just worried we're gonna end up overcomplicating it for smaller use case. Where stoping for now and spinning things down might make more sense as we don't know how long it'll be.13:35
tedgmterry: So I guess my thought is, let me stew on it a little bit and see if I can come up with a clean idea and throw it to you.13:36
mterrytedg, yeah sure.  And I don't *really* care how it's implemented, as long as I can do implement this one use case.  Whatever you like best13:36
mterrytedg, I thought of another theoretical case -- maybe like a parental control mechanism?  And u8 would prompt for an admin password to allow launching the app?  I dunno.  Pretty similar semantics to the "please dock your phone" case14:01
mike00hi all, can someone say me where I can find the favourite contact image, please?14:05
tedgmterry: Yeah, I thinking perhaps some sort of continuation effectively. And perhaps we time it out internally. So it becomes a relaunch if it takes too long.14:07
dobeymike00: i would guess either in the contacts app itself, or part of suru-icon-theme14:07
tedgmterry: Keeps the qtmir code simpler, but allows for handling those cases.14:07
mterrytedg, what's a reasonable timeout for someone digging around their house trying to find their hdmi cable for the phone?  :)14:08
mike00dobey: sorry I don't understand...14:08
mike00I searched on my pc in /usr/share/icons/suru but I didn't find anything...14:09
tedgmterry: 10 seconds! They should be more organized! ;-)14:10
dobeymike00: then look in the source for the contacts app14:10
mterrytedg, :P14:10
mike00dobey: on launchpad?14:10
mterrymike00, are you talking about the icons that you assigned to contacts?14:10
mike00mterry I'm talking about the icon I can see in the Today scope under favourite contacts, when a favourite contacts hasn't any image14:12
mterrymike00, ah yeah.  Probably in the suru icon pack, but if you can't find it there... to find out the icon name, you'd probably have to dig in the Today scope source14:13
mterrynot sure where that is..14:13
mike00I found the scope on launchpad, but in the code I can't find images or the source code...14:17
SmurphyAnyone knows when the bluetooth/handsfree stuff will be fixed? Doesn't work for either my Car- Audio system nor my Bike Helmet audio-Interface.14:17
mike00https://launchpad.net/today-scope14:18
kaisozhi there14:19
kaisozhi there again xD14:19
dobeySmurphy: presumably those are both bluetooth low energy devices?14:23
mike00so nobody here knows where I can find the favourite contact image in ubuntu touch?14:29
pmcgowanprobably in the theme? kyleN ?14:31
kyleNmike00, I can find that14:32
mike00kyleN, where do you mean?14:34
kyleNmike00, I will find the image for you if that is what you want14:35
mike00ok, thanks very much14:36
mike00if it isn't a problem for you...14:37
NycticebuscoucanHi guys, do you know a tutorial how to conect vlc control on ubuntu touch to a ubuntu pc14:37
NycticebuscoucanI can't find how it works14:38
ogra_probably ask the maintainer by mail14:39
mike00If you want I can explain it to you14:39
kyleNmike00, /custom/click/.click/users/@all/com.canonical.scopes.contacts/contacts/icons/favorite-contacts01.png14:39
ogra_(if he's not around)14:39
mike00thanks kyleN, but it is on the phone?14:40
kyleNmike00, yes. do you want me to email you the png instead?14:40
mike00no, I'll take from the phone. thanks a lot14:41
kyleNawesome14:41
Nycticebuscoucanmike00 did you mean you could explain the vlc thing or was it something else14:43
mike00yeah14:43
mike00I wrote you in a private chat14:43
mike00kyleN, isn't there a svg image?14:47
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jarlathNotifications lower music volume and it cannot be increased because the phone thinks it's still at 100%. What to file against?14:55
ahayzenjarlath, probably start at media-hub15:03
jhodappahayzen, jarlath I've seen that too, it's a pulseaudio issue15:03
jhodappnot media-hub15:03
ahayzenjhodapp, ah :-)15:03
jhodappso file against pulseaudio package15:03
jarlathThanks guys, I'll do that :)15:04
jhodappthanks jarlath15:04
jhodappjarlath, the more specific the steps to reproduce the better, thanks!15:04
jarlathjhodapp: noted15:05
jarlathAccording to this we don't track pulseaudio bugs: https://answers.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+question/21869015:06
jarlathIt's also not noted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers15:07
dobeyjarlath: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bugs15:12
dobeyjarlath: upstream bugs are not tracked in launchpad. but for ubuntu, bugs are filed against the packages15:12
jarlathdobey: thanks15:25
jarlathDone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/158277915:31
ubot5Launchpad bug 1582779 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Notification cuts volume by over 50% and requires reboot to recover" [Undecided,New]15:31
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ba2095Hi, guys! I have one question on apps installation on my bq m10: I use chroot env for cli apps, but how can I install armhf compiled GUI apps (X, Qt/GTK), for example, TeXMaker to use in desktop mode, anyone knows?16:10
ogra_ba2095, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit16:17
ba2095I will try that, thanks, ogra_!16:18
ogra_:)16:18
javier4Hi guys, an info: given an aosp marshmallow complete device tree, would it be possible to port ubuntu touch, kitkat or lollipop branch? Or the proprietary blobs would be an issue?16:47
FunmungusWow that is pretty amazing ogra_.  I was wondering how to get QtCreator to show up, and I hope it works.17:02
ogra_i just made evolution work ;)17:02
ogra_needed quite some haackery thogh17:02
Funmungusgrats17:03
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dobeyjavier4: the blobs are kernel version dependent. you could theoretically make a marshmallow build of the android bits and get ubuntu to work on it, but would likely require changes to libhybris among other things17:14
javier4dobey, thanks, it was exactly what I thought: in practice, taht's not a way.17:15
javier4at the moment UbuTouch versions are just KitKat (stable) and Lollipop (testing), right?17:20
dobeyno17:21
dobeymost devices are 4.4 (kitkat) and a couple new devices are 5.x (lollipop). there's not generally a difference between stable and rc-proposed channels in terms of kernel/android versions for any specific device.17:22
dobeyonly when there are fixes necessary at the level might the rc-proposed builds differe there, and only until an OTA is released into the stable channel17:23
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sebsebsebhi17:33
mimecargood evening...17:40
sebsebsebmimecar: hi17:41
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LaudeciDoes anyone knows if touch run on HP Slate 21 k100 all-in-one   ?17:52
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sebsebsebLaudeci: probably not17:54
Laudecithank you sebsebseb17:55
sebsebsebLaudeci: acgtsual,y I don't knw that machine, but to run on anything else as n not the offically supported devices17:56
sebsebsebLaudeci: so Nexus 4 and the Ubuntu devices fomr BQ and Meizu17:56
sebsebsebLaudeci: would need some kind of rom port I expect, which probably isn't available for your machine17:57
sebsebsebLaudeci: standard Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch will become more of the same thing or pretty much in the next two years or so as well :d17:57
Laudecisebsebseb: thank you anyway, i will keep it with android 4.417:59
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sebsebsebhi19:02
mimecarhi sebsebseb19:02
sebsebsebmimecar: hi19:03
sebsebsebmimecar: nearly time to try Unity 8 in 16.04 just upgrading first from 15.10 :d19:03
saaventoHow is the testing of the OTA 11? Is it good?19:21
TenLeftFingersCan anyone comment on the status of this dialler bug?21:58
TenLeftFingershttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/137799621:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 1377996 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "dialer is freezing on active call screen" [Undecided,Incomplete]21:58
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