[02:24] <Switches> Man I'm getting to hate G+.. to many Arch fanbois lol
[02:45] <daftykins> XD
[02:45] <daftykins> it's the new gentoo for Linux ricers!
[02:48] <Switches> More like Gentoo for n00bs :p
[02:49] <Switches> Na tbh I just hate that they all seem to post in G+ Ubuntu channel as soon as they see a small bug "oh switch to Arch"..
[02:50] <Switches> As if Arch is the "cure all" for Linux problems..
[02:51] <Switches> More coffee...
[02:51] <daftykins> :)
[06:17] <Switches> Rofl well thats a good laugh for the morning http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/selinux-vs-systemd-whats-safer-for-linux-servers.html
[06:47] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:47] <Switches> Morning
[07:32] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:32] <Switches> Heya
[08:12] <foobarry> any recommendations for a motion detecting wifi camera to monitor activity of the back of a house while builders are in?
[08:12] <foobarry> (asking for a friend)
[08:20] <diplo> Can't recommend any foobarry, but for a cheap solution could use a webcam and that software that has gone blank since I started typing
[08:21] <diplo> Ah is it motion
[08:27] <TwistedLucidity> Any webcam + ZoneAlarm
[08:34] <diplo> ah that was the other one
[08:37] <foobarry> found a bunch on amazon
[08:37] <foobarry> although distubringly high number of reviewers have received discounts in exchange for complimentary reviews
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy World Telecommunications Day! 😃  📡 🛰
[09:09] <SuperMatt> I thought that was a bee, rather than a satellite
[09:13] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: If it's a plug-and-play IP camera where you have to go to the company's service to use it (or similar); I wouldn't trust the damned thing.
[09:14] <foobarry> there are some that integrate with synology NAS etc
[09:14] <foobarry> and stream to your tablet
[09:14] <SuperMatt> If I was to set up a camera system, I would certainly do it in my own house and have it upload images to my server (so if someone steals the cameras and upload server, I still have the info)
[09:22] <nucc1> does syslog make any attempts to preserve message order?
[10:50] <diddledan> morning
[10:52] <SuperMatt> g'day
[10:52] <diddledan> got an interview in a couple of minutes
[10:56] <SuperMatt> good luck
[10:56] <SuperMatt> I'm sure you'll do well
[10:58] <diddledan> fingers crossed
[11:31] <diddledan> and done
[11:35] <Switches> Sure you ace'd it mate
[11:36] <SuperMatt> what was it for?
[11:36] <SuperMatt> I assume it was a phone interview?
[11:36] <Myrtti> terribly convinient that on the day I want orange soda, the milkman comes with a celebratory sample bottle of Orangina because they're launching it as one of their available products. I approve, 5/7 would recommend
[11:38] <diddledan> skype :-)
[11:38] <diddledan> it was for a PHP backend dev role
[11:39] <SuperMatt> I hope you get a face to face
[11:39] <SuperMatt> (and subsequently the job)
[11:41] <diddledan> thanks :-D
[12:37] <MooDoo> :)
[12:44] <davmor2> Morning all
[12:55] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2
[16:59] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/732616281925390336
[17:00] <daftykins> brave :P
[17:01] <diddledan> ooh, googacle - google might have caught someone from oracle on a contradiction
[17:02] <zmoylan-pi> it's definitely duck season!! :-P
[17:18] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/732621268436975617
[17:19] <diddledan> gotta get the important things in court right
[17:22] <diddledan> ooh, I finally found out what the new feature on the pizero is
[17:22] <davmor2> diddledan: pfff mhall119 did his from a nexus4 in converged mode over a projector on unity8 with mir can't blag me with your wayland bragging ;)
[17:22] <diddledan> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/17/raspberry_pi_zero_gains_a_camera_connector/
[17:22] <diddledan> davmor2: nice
[17:23] <diddledan> davmor2: is there video?
[17:23] <diddledan> I’d like to watch it if there is
[17:23] <davmor2> diddledan: there is
[17:24] <davmor2> diddledan: I'll try and find the link after I think it was Euro conference iirc
[17:52] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:52] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:00] <daftykins> \o
[18:11]  * diddledan uses powershell for something and hates himself at how sublime it was
[18:11] <daftykins> o0
[18:13] <diddledan> I feel dirty
[18:13]  * zmoylan-pi notes diddledan down as stage 1 linux user dabbling in powershell... suprised at how easy it is initally.
[18:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what’s stage2?
[18:14]  * zmoylan-pi waits till diddledan reaches stage 5 lying in fetal position weeping at time wasted...
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> stage 2 is using it for more and more stuff
[18:17] <davmor2> diddledan: use bash on windows instead ;)
[18:19] <diddledan> haha: https://twitter.com/xor/status/732636480951062528
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> favourite ms bug of the day... https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3053711
[18:20] <diddledan> lmao
[18:21] <daftykins> oops
[18:21] <daftykins> i always call a user "User" when there isn't someone specific using the machine, too ;)
[18:21] <daftykins> but ah well that's 8.1 :)
[18:22] <zmoylan-pi> hot desking? then you'll a really beefy desktop... :-D
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> set up my first chromebook today, didn't hate... well apart from the keyboard, lack of options, lack of storage... :-P
[18:23] <daftykins> nah just when it's an older spare system, or shared domestic PC
[18:23] <daftykins> hah
[18:24] <daftykins> was it a nasty 1366x768 screen res type with 2GB RAM?
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> sounds about right
[18:24] <diddledan> eww
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> slap linux on it and it'd be a lot better
[18:24] <diddledan> big pixies ftl
[18:25] <diddledan> small goats ftl, too
[18:25] <diddledan> I need a huge goat
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> 2nd channel discussing goats that i've been in today...
[18:25] <diddledan> ram
[18:26] <davmor2> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk1c_rh2mc8
[18:26] <diddledan> danke
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> still months to go till puck fair... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puck_Fair
[18:32] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: not with the terrible specs :P
[18:33] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: puck that!1!
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> i still have a single netbook running on 1gb of ram... it's grand for light use
[18:34] <diddledan> I need many
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> more is better but sometimes simplicity minimalism can be non distracting :-)
[18:35] <diddledan> my pc with 16giganuts refused to open a vm because there weren’t enough nuts
[18:35]  * zmoylan-pi loans diddledan a big stick to give it a damn good trashing
[18:38] <daftykins> with what DE?
[18:38] <daftykins> netbooks sucked on release, you can't do any modern web browsing with something like that
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> you can... if patient... :-)
[18:39] <daftykins> hell to the no
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> i used the 1gb system till last year as my main system
[18:40] <zmoylan-pi> just too slow now for everyday use but grand for out and about and light use. especially with 14 hour battery life
[18:41] <zmoylan-pi> give me a console, python and vim to steer them by... :-)
[18:42] <daftykins> i've only ever seen Linux trash systems battery, but i'd seen user after user in #ubuntu come in with what had to be kernel regressions for the graphics running so badly since 12.04
[18:43] <diddledan> nicht gewinkelwaggen bitte
[18:43] <diddledan> oops
[18:43] <diddledan> wrong root
[18:43] <diddledan> room
[18:45] <daftykins> Was ist gewinkelwaggen?
[18:45] <diddledan> waggen mit deine winkel
[18:45] <diddledan> behave now, popey is here
[18:45] <daftykins> ach, ich verstehe Sie
[18:46] <daftykins> hey i always behave!
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> gort, klatu barada niktu
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> Seriously considering buying a OnePlus One as replacement for current [*very*] old phone.  I fancy cyanogenmod rather than google everywhere [but have never tried cyanogenmod].
[18:47] <SuperEngineer> I hunted around the web for issues [I use EE do so don't care about the band 20 issue].  Any warnings to share?  Any best way to purchase from & receive in UK?  Any advice gratefully appreciated.
[18:47] <daftykins> oneplus one is quite old now i would've thought
[18:47] <daftykins> i bought a one and a two and sold them immediately :D
[18:48] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: oh, that doesn't sound good :(  Why?
[18:49] <daftykins> oh i only sold them for profit
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> lol
[18:49] <daftykins> i had those invites they did
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> Idn't the invite bit over now?
[18:49] <daftykins> yes
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> *Isn't
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> cool
[18:50] <daftykins> but yeah that messy split of theirs between cyanogenmod and themselves, can you even get an up to date build of android via CM on them anymore o0
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> getting worried noe
[18:50] <diddledan> oh yeah, I’d forgotten they forked
[18:51] <daftykins> http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=bacon
[18:51] <daftykins> i found the things huge XD
[18:52] <diddledan> gotta love bacon
[18:54] <SuperEngineer> [just checked Andriod version on old phone... 2.3.6!!!] I've had this phone too long methinks ;-)
[18:55] <diddledan> :-o
[18:55] <diddledan> issat gingerbread?
[18:55] <SuperEngineer> methinks yes
[18:55] <diddledan> which handset is it?
[18:55] <diddledan> probably one of the oldest available
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> i still have my first android phone here atm.  shipped with donut i think :-)
[18:56] <diddledan> still operational*
[18:56] <diddledan> I had an HTC Magic way back when android was new
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> the cheapy Samsung GT-S58301
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: ^
[18:56] <zmoylan-pi> htc hero here with the annoying 'chin'
[18:56] <DJones> diddledan: I've still got one of them floating round in a drawer
[18:57] <diddledan> one of these - the first “smart” phone I ever owned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Magic
[18:58] <DJones> diddledan: For its day,it was good, now, it'd be like comparing a 286 with an i7
[18:58] <diddledan> yeah I loved it
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> i miss the symbian phones we had before 'smart' phones.  did what i wanted and had decent battery lives and software
[18:59]  * zmoylan-pi waits till someone makes a decent rasp pi phone :-)
[19:00]  * DJones hands  zmoylan-pi a razor, he'll need it waiting unless he wants to look like gandalf
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> more a v from order of the stick magic wielder...
[19:02] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:02]  * SuperEngineer still has 3 old Nokia dumb phones ... ! is still in use!]  really ought to recycly those 1 day
[19:03] <sebsebseb> SuperEngineer: old Nokia phones you use for what?
[19:03]  * zmoylan-pi pats my nokia asha 302 fondly
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> hammers, chisels... :-)
[19:03] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: i've a 64GB one of these on my desk doing nothing i could sell for super cheap - http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x+-4976.php
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> the 1 still in use is supplied by firm [if they remeber even doing that] but is still in daily use
[19:03] <daftykins> certainly not new mind you
[19:04]  * brobostigon hugs his n800 and n900/
[19:04] <SuperEngineer> that's the same firm who think I'm going to be using thweir top end Samsung tablet as a phone!
[19:05]  * SuperEngineer imagines walking around holding a 9
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> and your entire 200 item shopping list written on your other hand... :-)
[19:06] <SuperEngineer> (7 screen to ear... shouting "Hello... Can you hear me - I'm in library"]  ;-)
[19:07] <zmoylan-pi> i had to explain that joke in another channel to the 'children' there :-)
[19:07] <SuperEngineer> :D
[19:07] <zmoylan-pi> red fox to grey squirrel, red fox to grey squirrel... :-)
[19:08] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: nokia 302: Found
[19:09] <diddledan> then of course Nokia 404: Not Found
[19:09] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_asha_302-4546.php
[19:10] <diddledan> and Nokia 500: FAIL-WHALE
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> Actually had the experiance once of being a passenger in car, using one the "early" mobile phones
[19:10] <SuperEngineer> ...complete with power pack & main control hanging in casre on shoulder..
[19:10] <zmoylan-pi> company i worked for in late 80s had a 'mobile' phone.  weighed a kilo about size and shape of vhs cassette
[19:10] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: you mean one of these? https://www.thewhizcells.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/4_lethal-weapon.jpg
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> ...
[19:11] <daftykins> Danny Golver
[19:11] <zmoylan-pi> battery life new measured in minutes
[19:11] <diddledan> Glover*
[19:11] <daftykins> ah man, peoples tendancy to typo the shortest things in images they share blows my mind
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> looks frightenly familiar
[19:11] <daftykins> sorry Govler :)
[19:12] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: don't fancy the HTC then? :)
[19:12] <sebsebseb> WOO party TIME!
[19:12] <sebsebseb> I can watch my 15.10 upgrade the termian out put
[19:12] <sebsebseb> upgrade to 16.04, oh yeah MAN how AWESOME
[19:12] <sebsebseb> geek out/!
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: [would have been easier to write conversation on a sheet of cardboard & hold it to windscreen
[19:13] <daftykins> :D
[19:13] <diddledan> termian
[19:13] <diddledan> ?
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> not yet investigated the HTC daftykins
[19:13] <daftykins> i really wish that guy would cut the spam
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> well - user list says troll gone now
[19:15] <zmoylan-pi> i do have one system on 16.04 xubuntu and it's quite nippy
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> [as an aside... I wondered why oven timer started beeping just now - answer: when one concentratrartes on both oven and IRC one might actually find one set timer to 30 seconds rather than 30 minutes! DOH!]
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> *concentrates
[19:19] <daftykins> :D
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> weird i set my timer i use for cooking for 25 hours rather than 25 minutes earlier
[19:20] <diddledan> awesome misspeelign
[19:20] <daftykins> guaranteed cremation
[19:20] <daftykins> if only shauno were still here to tell us the correct variant of murphy's law
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> nah, my nose backup detected it pre burning :-)
[19:21]  * SuperEngineer sings "weeee - I'm not the only one, I'm not the only one, I'm not the only one"
[19:21] <diddledan> I ruined a pizza the other day
[19:21] <diddledan> put the oven on the wrong temperature
[19:21] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: impressive!
[19:21] <daftykins> diddledan: that's a true crime
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> yeah, but you kept the fire brigade from getting bored, didn't you?
[19:22] <SuperEngineer> [I wonder what their code is for "another pizza nistiming call boys"]
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> code carbon frisbee
[19:25] <daftykins> code dentist o'clock ;)
[19:25] <daftykins> *crunch*
[19:34]  * zmoylan-pi pulls off nubit wearable for daily charging...
[19:37] <DJones> Is that one of those HM Prison's tags? :)
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> i hope so as it has no idea were i am... :-P
[19:38] <DJones> Ah, managed by G4S then
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> i have written software for g4s... yes... :-)
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> well... g4s ireland