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tjaaltonrobert_ancell: hi, did you notice the xmir patch reviews? 1.19 might get branched soon03:20
robert_ancelltjaalton, yeah, haven't got around to replying yet03:20
tjaaltonah, ok03:21
tjaaltonguess smooth scrolling can be added later03:22
robert_ancellThere's lots of stuff that can be added later! :)03:22
tjaaltonhehe03:23
duflutjaalton: Smooth scrolling or smooth scrolling? :)  One is to animate smoothly between coarse steps (like we do in Unity7 Firefox and now Chrome). The other is proper smooth scrolling using the full touchpad resolution. I'm still chasing anpok to find out if that's a bug in libinput/Mir or a missing feature. Once we've confirmed the backend for proper smooth scrolling is working in Mir I'll be keen to see everything above Mir use it03:49
tjaaltonduflu: the latter, sounds like it should be implemented on the wayland stack if whot pointed it out on the review. but it shouldn't be a blocker for inclusion04:25
duflutjaalton: By wayland stack you mean libinput?04:26
dufluI'm talking about Mir04:26
tjaaltonyes04:30
dufluCool04:31
tjaalton81a51a6cace6fd in xorg-server git implemented it for xwayland04:31
tjaaltonhttp://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-xorg/xserver/xorg-server.git/commit/?id=d8a39245d6cff6accf5eaeae7a1ac15eb1eb048a04:33
duflutjaalton: Interesting thanks. Sounds like something I might be asked to do04:34
dufluOr robert_ancell ....04:35
robert_ancellnot me04:36
dufluBut I'm curious to check out the current state of scroll events from Mir of late04:36
duflurobert_ancell: OK, I touched it last and implemented the wheel hack anyway04:37
hikikohi04:54
dufluMorning hikiko05:02
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pittiTrevinho: commented on the patch in the upstream bug05:47
pittiGood morning05:47
happyaronseb128: the bug for ibus appindicator means the upstream implementation07:14
happyaronseb128: do we need an FFe if we would SRU to xenial? (uploading for yakkety now)07:15
Laneyhullo08:02
seb128hey Laney08:03
seb128how are you?08:03
seb128one minute earlier this morning!08:03
pittihey larsu!08:03
pittibonjour seb128 aussi !08:03
seb128happyaron, unsure if that's something worth a SRU08:04
seb128pitti, salut, ça va ?08:04
pittiseb128: ça va bien, merci !08:04
seb128pitti, wrong l<tab>? ;-)08:04
seb128happyaron, where would the indicator be useful?08:04
pittiLaney: good morning to you too!08:04
Laneystalker!08:04
pittiseb128: of course not wrong, just incomplete :)08:04
Laney(hi seb128 and pitti!)08:10
willcookehmm08:16
willcookeI think there must have been an issue copying my old settings from xchat to hexchat08:16
willcookebut why was it only a problem today08:16
willcookethe portnumber for the server was totally wrong08:16
seb128hey willcooke08:17
* willcooke strokes his chin suspiciously 08:17
seb128how is hexchat?08:17
willcookemorning08:17
seb128I wonder if I should try that one08:17
willcookeit's like xchat, and therefore good :D08:17
willcookeseb128, BTW I replaced the wifi card in my X220 with an Intel one. So far so good.08:18
larsumorning pitti!08:19
larsuand morning desktoppers!08:19
willcookehowdy larsu08:20
andyrockmorning all08:21
willcookehey andyrock08:21
seb128hey larsu, wie gehts?08:26
seb128hey andyrock!08:26
Sweet5hark1heya all08:26
seb128hey Sweet5hark108:27
seb128channel wakes up ;-)08:27
pittiSweet5hark1: moin moin!08:30
pittiSweet5hark1: looking at LibO xenial SRU; please upload this to yakkety08:30
Sweet5hark1hmmm08:31
* Sweet5hark1 no upload rights.08:31
seb128Sweet5hark1, how is the DMB thing going btw? ;-)08:32
Sweet5hark1seb128: ^^ do I need to prep a full yakkety pkg or ...08:33
seb128Sweet5hark1, well, "full"08:33
Sweet5hark1dammit, seb128 was faster ...08:33
seb128lol08:33
seb128just bump the changelog08:33
seb128was there anything you wanted to change/enable in y?08:33
seb128and let's hope toolchain doesn't bite us :p08:34
Sweet5hark1seb128: no, certainly not for 5.108:34
pittiseb128: y has a different package than x, mind you08:34
pitti libreoffice | 1:5.1.2-0ubuntu1     | xenial                   | source08:34
pitti libreoffice | 1:5.1.2-0ubuntu3     | yakkety                  | source08:34
seb128doko...08:34
pittiso this might need to be a merge08:34
seb128Sweet5hark1, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/256160858/libreoffice_1%3A5.1.2-0ubuntu1_1%3A5.1.2-0ubuntu3.diff.gz08:35
seb128can you merge that and bump changelog?08:35
seb128and go doko for doing changes undocumented in the changelog08:35
seb128-               g++-5 [hppa ia64 s390 sparc],08:35
seb128+               g++-6.0 [hppa ia64 s390 sparc],08:36
Sweet5hark1seb128: yep. the merge seems reasonable08:36
pittithis is a no-op08:36
pittiwe don't have any of these arches08:36
larsuseb128: I'm great thanks! Just back from the gym :)08:36
pittiunless this is a typo and was meant to be s390x08:36
larsuseb128: how are you? Did you enjoy the long weekend?08:36
Sweet5hark1seb128: thats ~unavoidable, I guess. Its just control being regenerated (with ./debian/rules control) on yakkety ...08:37
Sweet5hark1seb128: ... but it means I also need to regen control on yakkety and thus setup my yakkety pbuilder env  etc.08:38
seb128larsu, I'm good thanks, yeah it was quite relaxing! (though would have been better with the weather from a week ago)08:38
larsuheh yeah same here. Getting better today though08:39
seb128Sweet5hark1, is that much work?08:39
Sweet5hark1seb128: nah, just some script-foo and I have to do it anyway at some point for the 5.2 builds ..08:40
pittiSweet5hark1: good opportunity to move to sbuild? :-)08:41
Sweet5hark1pitti: maybe ... though I dont see anything of the pbuild foo anyway. Its wrapped by some helper I wrote in C++11 and _that_ is running in a Jenkins.08:44
Sweet5hark1"Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection. But that usually will create another problem." -- David Wheeler08:44
pittiSweet5hark1: more like "two more problems" :)08:44
pittithink exponentially!08:44
Sweet5hark1also called Jenga-driven development. I bring experience fromLO!08:44
pittihah, I like that08:46
pittiJenkins for sure felt like Jenga08:46
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seb128wooot08:50
seb128thanks pitti for the SRU reviews ;-)08:50
seb128(assuming it's you)08:50
pittiseb128: yes, it is08:50
* seb128 hugs pitti08:50
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* pitti hugs you back :)08:50
seb128pitti, btw we should perhaps copy that accountsservice updates-regression-fix over now? bdmurray didn't want to do it on friday because too risky to copy things on friday08:51
pittiseb128: oh, absolutely; I thought this was a no-brainer08:52
seb128he said he would do it on monday08:52
seb128but apparently didn't...08:52
pittiseb128: u-settings-daemon needs a yakkety upload in bug 151034408:52
ubot5bug 1510344 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Backlight Turns on at boot" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151034408:52
seb128pitti, yeah, I plan to do a landing this week, just want to include a bit more08:52
seb128trying to get to it today08:53
seb128I need to check with Trevinho as well08:53
seb128he mentioned that he was going to do a landing as well08:53
seb128we should try to not conflict ;-)08:53
pittiseb128: accountsservice released08:53
seb128dankie!08:53
seb128-i08:53
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seb128pitti, did you block libreoffice on the y-upload to be sorted out?08:56
pittiLaney: not a fan of dropping glib-networking-dbg in an SRU08:56
pittiLaney: rejected for this, as we don't have a proper upgrade path for this08:57
pittiseb128: for now, yes; is this urgent?08:57
seb128pitti, no, it's just that usually nobody wants to review libreoffice, we had a 0day SRU in wily fixing release issues, it's still in the queue...08:59
seb128just trying to make sure that doesn't happen again08:59
pittiwell, I did look at the patch08:59
seb128not blaming anyone, libreoffice is big and the diffs are not easy to review08:59
pittibut we can't copy it to yakkety (and shouldn't either), and I don't want this to be forgotten09:00
seb128we should perhaps get it under a microrelease exception09:00
pittithere are no package specific MREs any more09:00
seb128maybe there should be :-)09:00
pittiLibO has a fairly good QA upstream, and has build and autopkgtest-time tests09:01
pittiand stable microeleases09:01
pittiwhich is by and large what the requirements are09:01
pittiand also, the SRU by itself is fine09:01
seb128k09:01
pittiso this isn't about the SRU, it's about "devel first"09:01
seb128pitti, unsure where to ask but I would like to understand what happened with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=libreoffice09:02
seb128not blaming you09:02
seb128the SRU team has no mailing list right?09:02
pittiseb128: i. e. what did *not* happen?09:02
pittiright, no ML09:02
seb128that was a bugfix update uploaded before release to fix release issues09:02
seb128how come we got through a full cycle with nobody reviewing it?09:03
seb128and how do we make sure that doesn't happen again09:03
Laneypitti: meh, fine09:03
seb128pitti, do you have any idea what would be the right place for that discussion?09:04
pittiseb128: u-devel@ I guess09:04
seb128I wonder if that's TB material09:04
pittior u-release@09:04
seb128"make the SRU team accountable"09:04
seb128pitti, I've a feeling it's going to end up as "nobody felt like reviewing it"09:05
pittiTBH, so far I didn't even make it to queues older than xenial09:06
seb128yeah, as said not blaming you09:06
pitti(I'm not really on a roster, I've just been helping out after the release)09:06
seb128I think it's more of an issue of how our teams are set up09:06
pittibut that's the root cause -- we don't have a roster09:06
pittieveryone is busy with other stuff09:06
seb128right09:06
pittisimilar to sponsoring, +1maint, etc.09:06
seb128but even the roster wouldn't help09:06
Laneyit's been tried09:06
Laneythey always fall down09:06
seb128if people feel like libreoffice is too big and don't want to review it and keep skipping over it09:07
pittiI've spent about 1.5 h every day on SRU stuff recently, and it's massively getting boring indeed09:07
pittior more precisely, the daily IRC pings pretty much always trump such regular things09:07
seb128imho we need somebody "in charge"09:08
seb128who at least try to organize the team efforts09:08
seb128and try to nag people to help a bit when things are behind09:08
seb128and make sure nothing gets forgotten09:08
Sweet5hark1seb128: or, if you want to be _really_ evil: give it a deadline with default approval: "If after 90 days, nobody rejected it, then you all approved it implicitly.".09:14
* Sweet5hark1 hides09:14
seb128Sweet5hark1, did you ever get anyone pinging you about that one/asking for details or things to be explained/fixed?09:18
Sweet5hark1about wily? not that I remember, no.09:18
seb128ok, thanks09:19
seb128going to write than email to -devel then09:19
Sweet5hark1seb128: FWIW, I didnt pressure there anymore, and rather cared about having up-to-date stuff ready in the PPA, so that if anyone is asking for a SRU (or when we need a security update) I have my ducks in a row.09:22
seb128yeah, having to ping them shouldn't be required though09:22
ricotzSweet5hark1, don't forget about mdds09:25
Sweet5hark1ricotz: huh?09:26
ricotzhey desktopers09:27
ricotzSweet5hark1, just in case this is still needed https://paste.debian.net/plain/68701509:27
ricotzSweet5hark1, mdds-1.0 is not compatible with 5.1's buildsys09:28
duflupitti: Jenga is a fun analogy. So is kicking the robot dog (named Jenkins)09:44
dufluAlthough that's strangely a nasty thing to say09:45
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dufluOn an unrelated note: Thank you pitti and seb128 for chasing the upower issue09:48
alexarnaud_Hello all!09:56
seb128duflu, hey, yw!09:56
seb128hey alexarnaud_09:56
seb128duflu, is your base issue also that upower start is delayed then? do you know if that's the same usb enumeration delay than others mentioned?09:57
alexarnaud_Trevinho: Hey ! I've noticed somehting strange in Compiz. When I install Compiz build-dep, especially libmetacity-dev, when I restart Compiz the gtk window decorator doesn't work. I'm using Mate. The error message is about a GSettings key "theme" that is not found. Is a known issue? Is a human error?09:58
dufluseb128: Not sure but I don't have the same USB devices others describe.09:58
alexarnaud_seb128: how are you?09:58
seb128alexarnaud_, I'm good thanks, how are you?10:07
seb128duflu, can you check if upower is delayed on your machine though? look at syslog for eventual issues on that side?10:07
dufluseb128: The machine does not exist. It's running 14.04 till the bug is fixed :(10:07
dufluSorry, it's both my main server and the only machine that has the bug10:08
dufluVery inconvenient10:08
seb128duflu, you didn't keep any syslog or such from the boot you tried by any chance?10:08
dufluseb128: No, it was the end of a long weekend and I was in a mad rush to restore 14.04 after the problems so I could get back to work the next day10:09
seb128I see10:10
seb128was u-s-d segfaulting the only issue? did you try to restart manually back then?10:10
seb128most reporters seem to suggest that restarting it after upower is done loading works fine10:10
seb128reinstalling seems like a big hammer in that case ;-)10:10
dufluseb128: Sorry, I didn't try anything else. I was rushed10:11
seb128k10:11
seb128no worry10:11
dufluseb128: Not a big hammer, just a HDD swap10:11
alexarnaud_seb128: good, we have made a huge work on improving Compiz accessibility with lot of work on EZoom :), we have integrated focus tracking and some visual improvment. Do you think you (Canonical) could help us to improve accessibility of the switcher plug-in? We would like to have capability to change the size of elements (icons, text, background) to be readable for low vision people. Unfortunately we have just o10:12
alexarnaud_We focus on EZoom and Mouse Poll plug-ins.10:13
seb128alexarnaud_, your line cut at "Unfortunately we have just o"10:17
seb128unsure how much resources we have to help on that10:18
seb128we can probably help with some advices/reviews10:18
seb128but probably not much with coding10:18
seb128especially if you are speaking of a switcher which is not the unity one10:18
alexarnaud_seb128: I talk about the "Application Switcher" module.10:25
Sweet5hark1https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/4jhma7/what_did_you_automate_with_python_scripts/d37clfr <- this is awesome10:48
willcookeLaney, can haz email10:49
LaneyHAX10:49
willcookeso it works!10:49
LaneyI want this offlineimap sync to finish10:50
Laneyso that I can go back to mutt10:50
Laney/o\10:50
LaneyCopy message 12585 (12585 of 132357) Personal:INBOX.Ubuntu.Launchpad -> lpersonal10:50
Laneymight take a while though10:50
pittiurgh10:50
Laneythat's after many hours10:50
Laneybecause I so need to keep all this ancient Launchpad mail...10:50
* pitti never understood why people keep so much email10:51
Laneyhahaha10:51
LaneyI usually view unread messages so it's more or less invisible except for times like this10:51
pittiwell, they still slow down your MUA, syncing, etc?10:52
Laneyonly the initial sync10:52
Laneywhich is because I tranferred mail providers10:52
pittiI have 7 MB in my mail folders..10:54
Laneyoh, nice10:55
Laneyfastmail has an auto-purge setting10:55
LaneyI think I'll enable that for some mailboxes10:56
happyaronseb128: it will improve kubuntu's experience, but not really interesting enough for unity/gnome11:06
happyaronseb128: what do you think then?11:06
seb128happyaron, your call as the maintainer, if you are interested in it feel free to SRU, otherwise you can let somebody from the kubuntu team judge if they want it and handle the SRU...11:12
happyaronok11:13
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Laneywhy is it downloading my whole inbox again...11:55
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pittiseb128: upower patches landed upstream now13:09
pittithey will only help so far, but should at least stop crashing13:10
seb128pitti, great, thanks!13:10
pittiseb128: I guess I'll toss them in a PPA and ask affected people how it goes?13:10
seb128pitti, do we need u-s-d code change to use a new function?13:10
seb128pitti, sounds good13:10
pittiseb128: no, it stays API compatible, and the ABI change is just that up_client_new() now returns NULL if dbus fails13:11
pittiseb128: which should generally perform better, as methods then return default values instaed of crashing13:11
seb128great13:11
pittiseb128: you *can* now improve error handling by explicitly checking for == NULL13:11
pitti(and should too)13:11
seb128right13:11
pittibut still, if upowerd doesn't work, then data displayed in the UI will be wrong13:12
pittiso in the end we still need the kernel fix13:12
seb128yeah, no wait out of this13:12
seb128no crash but no power management plugin either13:12
pittidone13:20
willcookeattente, is seb128's video flickering green for you?14:13
seb128willcooke, no14:13
attentewillcooke: no14:13
seb128sorry, it's not at the  bottom of my own hangout ;-)14:13
seb128willcooke, is that only me?14:13
willcookeyeah14:13
attentewillcooke: seb is looking a bit pale though14:13
attente:P14:13
willcookeand now it's stopped14:14
seb128needs summer!14:14
willcookevery suspicious14:14
alexarnaud_seb128: is it possible to pay Canonica to make development on Compiz? If yes, which one we should contact for that ?14:26
seb128willcooke, ^14:26
willcookealexarnaud_, drop me an email will.cooke@canonical.com - but on the whole, that's not something we offer.  Sorry14:27
a1faandrea, you around?14:33
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andyrocka1fa: is andrea me?16:12
andyrock:D16:12
a1fayeah16:22
a1fai finally caught that bug i was telling you16:22
a1fahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/158205616:22
ubot5Launchpad bug 1582056 in unity (Ubuntu) "Switching windows in Unity fails to bring program to foreground" [Undecided,New]16:22
Trevinhopitti: hey, thanks for the upower review (I wanted to do something like that, but I didn't want to change too much, but with your OK, I'll fix it)...16:33
Trevinhopitti: also, I've seen you've SRUed gnome-session, could you do the same for upstart that is linked to the same bug 1433013?16:35
ubot5bug 1433013 in upstart (Ubuntu Trusty) "Super -> exec vs Alt-F2 -> exec have different environment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143301316:35
Trevinhopitti: also, since we're there... I've some compiz and unity SRUs waiting in the trusty silo, which I've been requested to clear up16:35
seb128poor pitti16:37
seb128Trevinho, Laney did the gnome-session SRU if I read things correctly16:38
seb128pitti just did queue review16:38
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, right....16:38
Trevinhoseb128: well, I'd like to push upstart, but... Can I just prepare a debdiff and someone sponsor it?16:38
seb128yes16:39
seb128subscribe sponsors16:39
seb128or see if xnox or Laney are interested by helping you16:39
seb128see they looked a bit a the changes already16:39
xnoxupstart -> i am very busy but was hoping to do it by end of week16:41
xnoxTrevinho, seb128.16:41
seb128xnox, thanks!16:42
Trevinhoxnox: ah, ok... if you want I can prepare a debdiff to make things quicker for you?16:42
Trevinhoxnox: however, should I just apply the patch to the code or add quilt patches?16:44
xnoxit should be in upstart bazaar branch.16:44
xnoxand merged properly.16:44
xnoxTrevinho, it would be best if you would be on the hook to verify it when it hits xenial.16:45
xnoxcause i will be away next week.16:45
Trevinhoxnox: well, it's already in the upstream branch, but I don't see branches for xenial...16:45
Trevinhoxbox and the SRU should include both lp:~xnox/upstart/lp1433013 and lp:~3v1n0/upstart/activation-proper-dbus-path16:46
Trevinhothey're both merged and released to yakkety, that's why I just wanted to fix the xenial pkg16:47
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pittiTrevinho: upower> I think at least for upstream "cleaner" beats "smaller"20:26
pittiTrevinho: I didn't upload gnome-session, but I processed the queue; I didn't see an upstart upload there, WDYM?20:26

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