[00:08] <TheMarius> fifty-sevenC, however....... it might not be the indicator applet but the volume control program the indicator applet points to
[00:08] <TheMarius> which is that? i cant see it now
[00:08] <TheMarius> it only happens to that one
[00:08] <TheMarius> skype diodon etc runs flawless in the indicator applet
[00:38] <fifty-sevenC> Skype doesnt run after you exit it right?
[03:47] <mate|7624> hello is anyone available , I have a problem with ubuntu mate 16.04 detecting my monitor dpi wrong , I have super tiny fonts  , I have searched and the help i have found is for other distros , any advice other than changing the font sizes manually which looks ugly ?
[03:50] <mate|7624> i found this , but i dont see options in with the fonts to change the dpi  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts#Problem:__Looks_ugly_without_96_dpi
[03:50] <mate|7624> also thats just for ubuntu
[04:21] <mate|7624> i did that command as it said in the link to see what X thinks my dpi should be and i got xdpyinfo | egrep 'dimensions|resolution'
[04:21] <mate|7624>   dimensions:    1920x1080 pixels (508x286 millimeters)
[04:21] <mate|7624>   resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
[04:55] <xiaya> ??
[07:55] <maxspice> if i install python-pip and install a package via pip, then will "apt-get upgrade update that package in future?
[07:57] <alkisg> No
[07:58] <maxspice> oh okay
[08:04] <ubuntu-mate> join #madrid
[08:04] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[08:18] <shaniah> hey
[11:47] <matteo__> Hi :)
[11:48] <fifty-sevenC> hi
[12:03] <matteo__> Can I ask for some information?
[12:04] <ouroumov_> hi matteo__
[12:04] <ouroumov_> ask away
[12:08] <matteo__> I'm running for the first time Ubuntu Mate in a VM Machine trying to understand how is it. Until now I'm loving it. I've changed window manager to compiz, I like the animation but everything runs very slow and laggy. It depends only on VM?
[12:09] <fifty-sevenC> Compiz requires 3d acceleration
[12:09] <fifty-sevenC> Which means you need it in your host, your virtual machine must support it, it has to be enabled and guest additions/tools have to be installed in the guest.
[12:10] <fifty-sevenC> What is your host OS?
[12:10] <fifty-sevenC> And do you have 3d acceleration in it?
[12:10] <matteo__> Maybe I forgot 3d acceleration
[12:11] <matteo__> My host OS is Debian, and I've installed the guest addictions
[12:11] <fifty-sevenC> What VM product are you using?
[12:11] <fifty-sevenC> Virtualbox?
[12:11] <matteo__> Yes
[12:12] <fifty-sevenC> Shutdown the VM. Change the settings -> video -> enable 3d checkbox
[12:12] <fifty-sevenC> turn the VM back on
[12:12] <fifty-sevenC> You have to enable it on a per VM basis. It is not on by default I believe
[12:13] <fifty-sevenC> So if you make another you have to turn it back on again.
[12:13] <ouroumov_> Also there's Compton as a WM option
[12:13] <ouroumov_> Less flashy than Compiz
[12:13] <ouroumov_> But still does the useful stuff, such as Vsync for tear-free video playback
[12:13] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov_, any 3d will be laggy if 3d support is not enabled.
[12:14] <ouroumov_> 57c, I get it, just mentioning it because he's trying out Ubuntu MATE. :)
[12:14] <matteo__> Thank you :)
[12:14] <fifty-sevenC> I need to get around to filing a bug report for that mate-indicator-applet crash
[12:14] <fifty-sevenC> Anyways
[12:15] <fifty-sevenC> I should install VB on my laptop.
[12:16] <fifty-sevenC> Docker seems to be a very popular and suitable replacement though
[12:16] <fifty-sevenC> cgroup ++
[12:17] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov_, I have an interview tomorrow for a Linux Help Desk position. :) I can't wait.
[12:18] <ouroumov_> You're gonna ace it :o
[12:18] <ouroumov_> 57c: what company?
[12:19] <fifty-sevenC> Not sure, it is a direct hire through Robert Half.
[12:20] <fifty-sevenC> But I was able to narrow it down considerably. "new" US startup section of a swedish company in a specific city not known for tech making open source network monitoring products.
[14:41] <dirtynapkin> hello
[14:44] <dirtynapkin> how is everyone today?
[14:50] <fifty-sevenC> Pretty good
[14:50] <fifty-sevenC> My unemployement is at an end. lol
[15:04] <mate|11794> Just curious. Does anyone know how to donate to the project as a business to claim taxes? Is Mate Team an NGO?
[15:07] <fifty-sevenC> Hmm
[15:10] <mate|11794> On Patreon it says that the company needs to be a not-for-profit, but I can't find this information on MATE website.
[15:10] <fifty-sevenC> I'm looking for some email info
[15:10] <mate|11794> Thanks:)
[15:13] <fifty-sevenC> Do you have twitter?
[15:13] <mate|11794> No
[15:13] <fifty-sevenC> Facebook?
[15:15] <mate|11794> Yes
[15:15] <fifty-sevenC> https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuMATEedition/
[15:17] <mate|11794> Ok, that was kind of obvious:) I don't use social media much. You think they will reply on facebook?
[15:17] <fifty-sevenC> I think so
[15:17] <mate|11794> Alright! Thanks:)
[15:28] <ouroumov_> he could have also waited for a while for flexiondotorg to respond.
[15:29] <ouroumov_> Must have been the end of their workday.
[15:29] <ouroumov_> I hate XML.
[15:29] <fifty-sevenC> XML is fun!
[15:29] <fifty-sevenC> Ha ha
[15:29] <ouroumov_> Death to XML.
[15:30] <ouroumov_> All hail Json.
[15:30] <fifty-sevenC> Invalid XML character detected
[16:48] <TheMarius> hrmf ... i should have installed linux on all my fam business computers except one program there wont run under linux .. axiafrakt ... just sent them a semi-grumpy email and asked when they will get a solution for linux :/
[16:49] <TheMarius> its to print out labels and send packages .. this one lousy program
[16:49] <fifty-sevenC> Does it work through Wine?
[16:49] <TheMarius> no... .net app ..
[16:49] <TheMarius> several have tried
[16:49] <fifty-sevenC> .net should work with mono then
[16:49] <TheMarius> mono?
[16:49] <TheMarius> well ive googled treads about it.. it doesnt work
[16:50] <fifty-sevenC> .net for Linux
[16:50] <TheMarius> hmmm
[16:50] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: ah, we have a problem with our parcel courier service like that
[16:50] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: their website requires a java applet to print labels
[16:51] <gordonjcp> it doesn't work in anything newer than IE7
[16:51] <TheMarius> well ... still lousy they dont make it avaliable for linux .. it would simplify running these machines alot since compaly is full of computer n00bs installing toolbars and crap by accident
[16:51] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: apparently you can lock all that stuff down in Windows
[16:51] <TheMarius> i have to aid them all the time with irrelevant stuff
[16:51] <fifty-sevenC> Java applet requires IE? Waaaah? Java a[[;et using ActiveX? What kind of abomination?
[16:51] <TheMarius> linux would simplify it for me
[16:52] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: <shrug>
[16:52] <TheMarius> have it on 2 irrelevant computers my dad use, he likes it
[16:52] <TheMarius> and i made sure they just use open source software in win
[16:52] <TheMarius> and it works fine
[16:53] <TheMarius> so its just about changing platform
[16:53] <gordonjcp> fifty-sevenC: firefox no longer supports the website and chromium works with the website but doesn't do java any more
[16:53] <fifty-sevenC> You can whitelist the java applet for the website
[16:53] <TheMarius> im honestly getting sick of nagdows
[16:54] <fifty-sevenC> Huh, appears the chrome devs might have gotten rid of the enterprise workaround for the java applet
[16:55] <fifty-sevenC> That is hardcore. Wow
[16:55] <TheMarius> please update flash and yes we'll install crapafee antivirus with it without asking you, welcome to ask toolbar, your computer needs to be upgraded, offer: free 1 year subscription to office 365 .... idk how much of this junk i have to sort out on windows .. i spend hours each week with this
[16:55] <fifty-sevenC> Google is getting rid of flash soon too
[16:57] <TheMarius> this is why id like linux ... except for a bug here i bet is related to my weird hardware (the business computers are all laptop of common brands) its hazzle free
[16:58] <TheMarius> the business computers are all sluggish now with weird problems
[17:02] <TheMarius> libreoffice is whats used mostly + axia freight + replying on emails + printing
[17:03] <TheMarius> and axia is the key to get this changed over.. so im hoping they listen
[17:03] <TheMarius> would ease things alot for several businesses in this country
[17:03] <TheMarius> reg. migrating to linux
[17:03] <TheMarius> small windows programs like this is whats stopping it
[17:04] <TheMarius> bet im not the only one
[17:06] <kiik> hi
[17:07] <TheMarius> mono-4.0-service .. is that the package for mono btw?
[17:08] <TheMarius> or mono-complete ?
[17:09] <fifty-sevenC> mono-complete is everything
[17:09] <TheMarius> do i need it?
[17:09] <fifty-sevenC> You need to figure out which .net version the program runs on
[17:09] <ouroumov_> hi kiik
[17:09] <fifty-sevenC> Hi kiik
[17:09] <TheMarius> axia use net 4.0
[17:10] <fifty-sevenC> It should be supported in mono then
[17:10] <fifty-sevenC> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/compatibility/
[17:13] <ouroumov_> I hate mono too
[17:13] <fifty-sevenC> Looks like mono-complete is what you will need
[17:14] <ouroumov_> Almost as much as XML
[17:16] <TheMarius> mono-runtime ... mono-complete ... ?
[17:16] <fifty-sevenC> mono complete
[17:16] <TheMarius> k
[17:16] <TheMarius> not sure if the labelprinters are supported either
[17:16] <ouroumov_> Enjoy your 170+ new root-certificates
[17:16] <fifty-sevenC> lol
[17:17] <fifty-sevenC> Don't hate mono. Hate .net with its 50 billion versions that have to be supported
[17:17] <ouroumov_> Does it makes you install a boatload of root certs too?
[17:17] <TheMarius> http://www.hsprinter.com/Uploads/55a0c5a2209bf.jpg <-- need to know if this works too .. have then connected together with a regular printer
[17:18] <TheMarius> software will have to know which goes where
[17:18] <TheMarius> and this aint connected to it
[17:18] <lhz> I have sound issues on a clean install of 16.04, any ideas? More details here: https://gist.github.com/lhz/51e6e5da6cd1922e9129e250839785ee
[17:18] <fifty-sevenC> If it connects via USB you could probably find a driver for it somewhere or maybe the .net app will interface it directly and it not need one.
[17:19] <TheMarius> think i'll wait and betatest this on my dads dedicated bank linux laptop
[17:20] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, I'm not familiar with coax sound.
[17:20] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, I think it is using the wrong driver. Can you check?
[17:21] <fifty-sevenC> The gigabyte page says it uses Realtek but your gist says Intel
[17:22] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: strange that it works except for the occasional dropout?
[17:23] <gordonjcp> lhz: does it work when you're not using optical out?
[17:23] <TheMarius> well thanks guys
[17:23] <TheMarius> *switching to surface pro and win* :/
[17:24] <fifty-sevenC> Sorry TheMarius. Hopefully your vendors will catch up and stop holding you to windows one day.
[17:25] <lhz> gordonjcp: don't think I have any other kind of cable to check here at the moment, but will try.
[17:26] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 | grep Codec
[17:26] <fifty-sevenC> run that
[17:26] <fifty-sevenC> What does it spit out?
[17:28] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fe3711ba3792968cc15be81767bd031e
[17:29] <ouroumov> TheMarius, can't you reserve one lousy machine for the label-printing task?
[17:29] <ouroumov> And have UM on the others?
[17:31] <fifty-sevenC> Ok, your card0 is your HDMI? Weird.
[17:31] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: coax is just spdif with rca connector btw
[17:31] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:33] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: added as comment to https://gist.github.com/lhz/51e6e5da6cd1922e9129e250839785ee
[17:34] <fifty-sevenC> Ok, you're plugging into the PCH?
[17:34] <lhz> if that is the s/pdif then yes
[17:35] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 | grep Codec
[17:35] <fifty-sevenC> Woops I did that wrong
[17:35] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#0 | grep Codec
[17:36] <lhz> cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#2 | grep Codec   =>   Codec: Realtek ALC892
[17:36] <fifty-sevenC> Looks like you have the correct codecs.
[17:38] <lhz> When not playing any sound, I hear a slight pop in my speakers every time the pulseaudio process is being supervised
[17:40] <fifty-sevenC> kill rkit
[17:41] <fifty-sevenC> rtkit
[17:42] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: tried that, but it just respawns and resumes doing its supervising
[17:42] <fifty-sevenC> sudo service rtkit-daemon stop
[17:43] <lhz> that's what I did. it stopped, but was started again automatically after a few seconds
[17:43] <fifty-sevenC> Hmm.
[17:44] <lhz> i can try renaming the executable :)
[17:44] <fifty-sevenC> well it seems rtkit is changing the process priority of your pupleaudio processes and causing pops when it does. ?
[17:45] <fifty-sevenC> Don't rename it.
[17:45] <fifty-sevenC> I don't know if anything other than pulseaudio uses it
[17:47] <lhz> renaming the exe and then stopping the rtkit daemon caused my chrome to segfault when I went to youtube to play a video
[17:48] <fifty-sevenC> Yeah if it needed audio
[17:48] <fifty-sevenC> rtkit is an on demand service
[17:49] <lhz> guess I need to find some way to stop it from changing priority of pulseaudio all the time then
[17:50] <fifty-sevenC> Well, thing is it is supposed to change the priority of pulseaudio
[17:51] <fifty-sevenC> But if you're saying everytime it does you get a pop then there is a problem
[17:52] <fifty-sevenC> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches.2C_skips_or_crackling
[17:52] <fifty-sevenC> Try those
[17:56] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: will have a look, thanks.
[17:57] <fifty-sevenC> lhz, it has instructions to turn off the rtkit and on
[18:09] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: tried all of those now, but no change.
[18:09] <fifty-sevenC> battery charge estimates are hilarious sometimes
[18:10] <fifty-sevenC> hmm
[18:13] <fifty-sevenC> so with rtkill disabled it still popped?
[18:16] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: didn't try that bit since there is no pulse-rt group existing
[18:18] <lhz> fifty-sevenC: for now I think I will try connecting my monitor audio output to my receiver and see how that goes. just need to find the right cable.
[18:18] <fifty-sevenC> ok
[18:26] <fifty-sevenC> Could it be a bad connection or wire?
[18:27] <lhz> doubtful, it works without a hitch in Windows 10 on the same computer
[18:28] <lhz> strange that it worked fine in beta but this started to happen immediately after I updated to release
[18:28] <Akuli> wired ethernet?
[18:28] <Akuli> or wired something else?
[18:28] <fifty-sevenC> spdif
[18:40] <lhz> can't get any sound through the monitor either. think I'll try to install 15.10 just to confirm it works there.
[18:40] <fifty-sevenC> through hdmi?
[18:40] <lhz> spdif
[18:41] <lhz> the monitor is connected through mini displayport
[18:41] <fifty-sevenC> no sound at all now?
[18:42] <lhz> nope, I suspect a hdmi connection to the monitor is needed for sound, even though it does say hdmi/displayport in the sound hw settings dropdown./
[18:43] <lhz> i'd prefer to get spdif to work though so I can keep it digital all the way to the receiver.
[18:43] <lhz> will check if spdif works without glitches in 15.10 like it did in 16.04-beta.
[18:44] <fifty-sevenC> ok
[18:54] <lhz> yup, just booted 15.10 from usb and no sound issues
[18:54] <fifty-sevenC> hmmm
[18:55] <fifty-sevenC> cat /proc/asound/cards
[18:56] <lhz> looks identical (just different irq number)
[18:59] <fifty-sevenC> Check the codecs?
[18:59] <lhz> dumping to file now and copying off to a different pc so I can compare with 16.04
[19:00] <fifty-sevenC> take your pulse audio config file too
[19:07] <lhz> too late, but can do some more diffing later
[19:08] <lhz> here's the codec diff: https://gist.github.com/lhz/06d808c34a96b590c52cf051f139a7fb
[19:13] <fifty-sevenC> and the pa config diff?
[19:13] <lhz> /etc/pulse/default.pa only?
[19:14] <fifty-sevenC> Yes
[19:18] <lhz> no difference, except for the tsched=0 that I tried to add in 16.04 but that didn't make a difference
[19:18] <fifty-sevenC> hmm
[19:19] <fifty-sevenC> well, the codec amp values are the only different things
[19:19] <fifty-sevenC> check alsamixer ?
[19:21] <lhz> Digital category was also different
[19:22] <lhz> and some GenLevel added in 16.04
[19:22] <fifty-sevenC> I can't find the difference between Enabled and Enabled GenLevel
[19:25] <fifty-sevenC> also try right click the volume and selecting sound preferences
[19:25] <fifty-sevenC> Try different profiles
[19:27] <nomic> .z.z.z.z
[19:27] <lhz> there are only two for digital audio (with and without analog input), and they both have the issue.
[19:27] <fifty-sevenC> :/
[19:27] <fifty-sevenC> I don't know what to do then
[19:28] <RobLoach> Wimpy is live on https://www.twitch.tv/linuxgamecast .
[19:30] <fifty-sevenC> actually
[19:30] <fifty-sevenC> Lets check something
[19:30] <ouroumov> RobLoach, thanks
[19:31] <fifty-sevenC> well nevermind, no old version available in the repo
[19:36] <lhz> ok, I will stick to 15.10 for now on this pc. thanks for your help anyway, much appreciated.
[19:37] <fifty-sevenC> Sorry
[19:50] <fifty-sevenC> Hi ouroumov_
[19:50] <fifty-sevenC> Net trouble?
[19:59] <ouroumov_> owrap
[19:59] <ouroumov_> !ping
[20:00] <ouroumov_> That can't be
[20:00] <fifty-sevenC> ???
[20:02] <leminsc8> hello iam rely new on ubuntu mane
[20:02] <ouroumov_> So OK, I just lost my internet connexion
[20:02] <ouroumov_> Hi leminsc8
[20:03] <fifty-sevenC> Hi leminsc8
[20:05] <leminsc8> i need help:
[20:05] <leminsc8> Rhythmbox fordert die Installation von Erweiterungen, um Dateien des folgenden Typs zu erstellen: ID3 tag muxer
[20:06] <leminsc8> hi tifty
[20:07] <fifty-sevenC> I don't know German and the google translate seems a bit off.
[20:07] <leminsc8> http://imgur.com/zjpz3iX
[20:07] <ouroumov_> lol
[20:07] <ouroumov_> Great
[20:07] <ouroumov_> The ISP who manages my wifi has the portal in HSTS
[20:08] <ouroumov_> And, those dumbasses have an invalid cert
[20:08] <fifty-sevenC> all captive portals will have an invalid cert
[20:08] <fifty-sevenC> You can't pretend to be another domain and the cert be valid
[20:08] <ouroumov_> But they're not supposed to be HSTS, or did I miss something?
[20:09] <leminsc8> i wanna add mp3 my musicdatabase from "Rhythmbox" the answer is i need "ID3 tag muxer" but i cant downloading with autoupade
[20:09] <fifty-sevenC> It works in IE and 'it's secure' so companies impliment it without thinking
[20:09] <ouroumov_> I can't believe this
[20:09] <ouroumov_> Please tell me I don't need a machine with IE so I can get the access back
[20:09] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna murder someone
[20:10] <ouroumov_> Installing Google Chrome now, maybe there will be an option to disregard HSTS, firefox won't let me do it
[20:10] <fifty-sevenC> leminsc8, sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[20:12] <fifty-sevenC> You will need to run that in a terminal
[20:12] <leminsc8> sry my english ar sad. you mean i need gstramer1.0?
[20:12] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov_, chrome won't let you do it
[20:12] <leminsc8> th plugin
[20:12] <ouroumov_> shit
[20:12] <fifty-sevenC> leminsc8, press ctrl+alt+t
[20:13] <fifty-sevenC> leminsc8, in the terminal type sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[20:13] <ouroumov_> And I can't use Lynx because portal needs freaking Javascript
[20:13] <fifty-sevenC> Ugh
[20:13] <fifty-sevenC> Well try Chrome anyways
[20:13] <fifty-sevenC> you might get a "Do it anyways" prompt
[20:13] <ouroumov_> I'll try, but it takes a while to download over my phone
[20:13] <fifty-sevenC> Ouch data fees
[20:14] <ouroumov_> I'm in France so I don't have to worry about that
[20:14] <fifty-sevenC> I have Google Fi, so I pay $10 per GB but I get refunded everything I don't use.
[20:14] <fifty-sevenC> So on an average month it is cheaper than ATT or TMobile
[20:14] <ouroumov_> Worse they can do is cap my bandwidth but It's slow anyway
[20:14] <leminsc8> done :-)
[20:15] <leminsc8> okay i will test it
[20:15] <ouroumov_> Well damn, I'm sure I've missed all of Winpy's live by now
[20:16] <ouroumov_> Wimpy's *
[20:16] <fifty-sevenC> Hey ouroumov_
[20:16] <fifty-sevenC> http://superuser.com/questions/826232/how-to-bypass-the-secure-connection-failed-warning-in-firefox-33
[20:17] <leminsc8> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
[20:17] <leminsc8> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[20:17] <leminsc8> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut.
[20:17] <leminsc8> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen.... Fertig
[20:17] <leminsc8> The following additional packages will be installed:
[20:17] <leminsc8>   gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr libmpg123-0 libopencore-amrnb0
[20:17] <leminsc8>   libopencore-amrwb0 libsidplay1v5
[20:17] <leminsc8> Vorgeschlagene Pakete:
[20:17] <leminsc8>   sidplay-base
[20:17] <leminsc8> Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
[20:17] <leminsc8>   gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr libmpg123-0
[20:17] <leminsc8>   libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libsidplay1v5
[20:17] <leminsc8> 0 aktualisiert, 6 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 103 nicht aktualisiert.
[20:17] <leminsc8> Es müssen 574 kB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
[20:17] <leminsc8> Nach dieser Operation werden 1.954 kB Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
[20:17] <leminsc8> Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] j
[20:17] <leminsc8> Holen:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 libopencore-amrnb0 amd64 0.1.3-2.1 [92,0 kB]
[20:17] <leminsc8> Holen:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 libopencore-amrwb0 amd64 0.1.3-2.1 [45,8 kB]
[20:17] <fifty-sevenC> leminsc8, use pastebin
[20:18] <leminsc8> Holen:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr amd64 1.8.0-1ubuntu1 [33,7 kB]
[20:18] <leminsc8> Holen:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 libmpg123-0 amd64 1.22.4-1 [124 kB]
[20:18] <leminsc8> Holen:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 libsidplay1v5 amd64 1.36.59-8 [63,6 kB]
[20:18] <leminsc8> Holen:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly amd64 1.8.0-1ubuntu1 [215 kB]
[20:18] <leminsc8> Es wurden 574 kB in 0 s geholt (629 kB/s).
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket libopencore-amrnb0:amd64 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <leminsc8> (Lese Datenbank ... 191211 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../libopencore-amrnb0_0.1.3-2.1_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von libopencore-amrnb0:amd64 (0.1.3-2.1) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket libopencore-amrwb0:amd64 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../libopencore-amrwb0_0.1.3-2.1_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von libopencore-amrwb0:amd64 (0.1.3-2.1) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr:amd64 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr_1.8.0-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr:amd64 (1.8.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket libmpg123-0:amd64 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <fifty-sevenC> Funnily enough if I get that job I'm interviewing for tomorrow I'll have to learn Swedish and German. lol
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../libmpg123-0_1.22.4-1_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von libmpg123-0:amd64 (1.22.4-1) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket libsidplay1v5 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../libsidplay1v5_1.36.59-8_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von libsidplay1v5 (1.36.59-8) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vormals nicht ausgewähltes Paket gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 wird gewählt.
[20:18] <leminsc8> Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von .../gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly_1.8.0-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb ...
[20:18] <ouroumov_> flood
[20:18] <leminsc8> Entpacken von gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 (1.8.0-1ubuntu1) ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> Trigger für libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) werden verarbeitet ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> libopencore-amrnb0:amd64 (0.1.3-2.1) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:18] <leminsc8> libopencore-amrwb0:amd64 (0.1.3-2.1) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly-amr:amd64 (1.8.0-1ubuntu1) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> libmpg123-0:amd64 (1.22.4-1) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> libsidplay1v5 (1.36.59-8) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 (1.8.0-1ubuntu1) wird eingerichtet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> Trigger für libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu3) werden verarbeitet ...
[20:19] <leminsc8> sry dudes...
[20:19] <leminsc8> this are only the code.
[20:19] <leminsc8> yes sry
[20:19] <leminsc8> :-)
[20:19] <leminsc8> okay fity but it's done? must i reboot system? or restart software?
[20:19] <ouroumov_> How come ubottu did not quiet&ban him?
[20:19] <leminsc8> *fifty
[20:19] <fifty-sevenC> Restart program
[20:21] <leminsc8> done <3 okay i see i must learn work with terminal ;-)
[20:21] <ouroumov_> Ok so that wasn't the problem
[20:22] <fifty-sevenC> Really?
[20:23] <nomic> what was all that?
[20:23] <leminsc8> thanks - see you
[20:23] <fifty-sevenC> Appears he posted the german version of apt-get install into chat
[20:23] <fifty-sevenC> leminsc8, you're welcome
[20:23] <leminsc8> :-)
[20:24] <leminsc8> i will test mate to upgrade form windows. dodayi start fromusb
[20:24] <leminsc8> windows10 lol
[20:25] <fifty-sevenC> I hope you like it
[20:27] <leminsc8> i love it
[20:27] <leminsc8> but i must learn..
[20:27] <leminsc8> <desktop user...
[20:28] <ouroumov> ok...
[20:28] <ouroumov> I understand now.
[20:28] <fifty-sevenC> What was it?
[20:29] <ouroumov> Well, form action="https://wireless.wifirst.net:8090/goform/HtmlLoginRequest"
[20:29] <ouroumov> The Port.
[20:30] <ouroumov> Blocked by firewall.
[20:30] <fifty-sevenC> Ha
[20:31] <ouroumov> I guess that's one problem with Linux. When something hits the firewall there's no popup saying "That application wants to access the internet. Allow / Deny"
[20:31] <fifty-sevenC> Could make one
[20:32] <ouroumov> It'd be cool, I'm not sure the amount of work involved though.
[20:35] <fifty-sevenC> Actually it looks pretty trivial looking at it
[20:35] <guest-idwlsi_> tazercraft
[20:35] <fifty-sevenC> The worst part is the iptables logs are stuffed in with kernel logs
[20:36] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, how do you link a packet with an application?
[20:36] <fifty-sevenC> Just make a python script check the log file one a second. If something was blocked generate one of those indicator notifications saying it was blocked
[20:37] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, I guess that could be useful enough to detect something was blocked
[20:37] <ouroumov> And indeed, that would be easy to code
[20:37] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, yeah just check for blocked outbound packets
[20:38] <ouroumov> But i'd be cooler if the application responsible for the traffic could be identified
[20:38] <fifty-sevenC> I don't see a way immediately to tie the packet to the application
[20:38] <fifty-sevenC> But I am sure there is a way somehow
[20:38] <fifty-sevenC> But that would be more work. The 90% is just identifying and telling the user it was blocked
[20:38] <fifty-sevenC> What was blocked could come later
[20:39] <ouroumov> For TCP streams that can be done using lsof, not on a per-packed basis but on a per-connection basis I think
[20:39] <fifty-sevenC> MVP = base needed to be functional and used
[20:39] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, if a packet was blocked would lsof be able to detect that?
[20:39] <fifty-sevenC> i mean, there is no connection in that case right?
[20:40] <voron121> hi
[20:40] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, hmm, I'm not sure at what point in the connection process it starts being considered as an open file
[20:40] <fifty-sevenC> Hi voron121
[20:40] <ouroumov> hi voron121
[20:41] <voron121> who from Russia or ukraine ?
[20:41] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, lsof ouput | TCP shows "(ESTABLISHED)" so I guess it'll show up before connection is established too
[20:41] <fifty-sevenC> there is fuser
[20:46] <fifty-sevenC> so fuser port/protocol will give you the pid
[20:46] <fifty-sevenC> then you can check what the program is in /proc/pid
[20:47] <fifty-sevenC> Your connection still not working?
[20:50] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, oh it is now
[20:51] <ouroumov> I dropped my firewall the necessary time to log in
[20:51] <fifty-sevenC> eww
[20:51] <ouroumov> ik
[20:55] <maxflax> hello
[20:55] <fifty-sevenC> Hi maxflax
[20:57] <maxflax> Was wondering about how to set scale in Mate, upgraded to 16.04 and my windows title fonts are very big. got a 1440x900 screen
[20:57] <maxflax> All other texts are fine..
[20:58] <ouroumov> I don't know about that one. Some other users have posted similar questions on the forum I think, maxflax
[20:59] <fifty-sevenC> Go to appearance
[20:59] <fifty-sevenC> Click Fonts
[20:59] <fifty-sevenC> Change the Window Title Font
[21:00] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC to the rescue. :o
[21:00] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, I'm going to make that thing we talked about into a project for myself
[21:00] <fifty-sevenC> Think python would be a good language to do it in?
[21:01] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, I was thinking about it myself. I'm not sure Python would have all the Linux-API access needed to avoid subprocessing fuser & such.
[21:02] <fifty-sevenC> I'm thinking fuser won't work because it will *only* show currently used ports
[21:02] <fifty-sevenC> and lsof is slooooow
[21:03] <ouroumov> yes
[21:03] <maxflax> fifty-sevenC, Did that before but had some strange behaviou. The font size isn't big in setting so I suspect there is some kind of scaling depending on my screen size or something. In Unity there is a scaling option but havn't found that in mate.
[21:04] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, change the font and font size. Save it. Then change it back and save it.
[21:05] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, if it was a scaling problem, then it would affect everything. Right?
[21:06] <maxflax> fifty-sevenC, Well, saw somewhere that there is diff scaling setting on diff ui elements as titles etc. But I will try and see what happens.
[21:07] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, I won't say that is impossible but I never heard of that before
[21:10] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, I don't see an option to vary scaling by UI element but it could be hiddden in a config file somewhere
[21:10] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, did changing it and back again do anything?
[21:11] <maxflax> not really, I have to go down to 4 to make the title texts sane
[21:11] <fifty-sevenC> Did you change the style to Regular?
[21:11] <maxflax> So there must be a scaling in work
[21:18] <fifty-sevenC> I dislike it when I'm searching for a solution and they leave :(
[21:19] <fifty-sevenC> Oh you're back
[21:20] <maxflax> fifty-sevenC, Jepp, did a restart on lightdm to reload my xorg.conf. Found a fix
[21:21] <fifty-sevenC> What was that?
[21:21] <maxflax> Option         "UseEdidDpi" "False"
[21:21] <fifty-sevenC> Where is that?
[21:22] <maxflax> Under Section Screen
[21:22] <fifty-sevenC> In Displays?
[21:23] <fifty-sevenC> Oh Nvidia control panel?
[21:23] <fifty-sevenC> Well that is hwy I couldn't find iyt
[21:24] <maxflax> fifty-sevenC, In my xorg.conf file under /etc/X11 .. manual edit. realized Ive fixed this before and after the update my xorg.conf was renamed to old, so my old settings wasnt in work
[21:24] <fifty-sevenC> Ah
[22:15] <TheMarius> AHA!
[22:15] <TheMarius> i might have an explenation for whats causing this breakage in mate-indicator-app
[22:15] <TheMarius> SPOTIFY
[22:16] <fifty-sevenC> ok?
[22:16] <TheMarius> cause i have spotify installed on several computers, you can choose in spotify what device that plays the music.. i can sit here on the linux desktop and the current playing machine is this, then send it from this linux machine over to the laptop with windows 10 and the music will play on that one.. this mate indicator thing controls sound on this machine
[22:17] <TheMarius> i have noticed i can actually adjust volume on the windows machine from here
[22:17] <TheMarius> sorry... i mean, skip back and forth in songs.. but if i change sound volume and this is linked to the windows machine... you should get an error of some sort
[22:18] <TheMarius> i doubt the mate indicator app takes that into account
[22:18] <TheMarius> and it basically tilts.. stops working... anyone here with spotify that could test out this theory?
[22:20] <maxflax>  TheMarius, What stops working?
[22:21] <TheMarius> volume control in the mate indicator app
[22:22] <TheMarius> basically equal to system tray in windows ... where volume, wifi, clipboard, minimized skype, steam etc is listed
[22:24] <TheMarius> im 99% sure thats it
[22:24] <TheMarius> it would be an "issue" for any software
[22:27] <TheMarius> anyone here testing out my theory?
[22:29] <fifty-sevenC> I don't have spotify and believe it is not it since it crashed when I tested it before
[22:29] <TheMarius> you need 2 computers with spotify installed on both ... when you play spotify in ubuntu mate, test volume control.. works? ok ... then go to the other computer... play spotify on that one.. or change device in ubuntu mate to the other.. then adjust volume when the other machine plays, and see if it breaks
[22:29] <TheMarius> you had the same bug i had, fifty?
[22:29] <fifty-sevenC> Yes it crashed when I used it
[22:30] <TheMarius> :/
[22:31] <TheMarius> any alternative for volume control other than having to adjust each single app?
[22:32] <fifty-sevenC> the stock volume control or alsamixer ?
[22:34] <hasan> hi
[22:34] <maxflax> using the indicator to control spotify doesn't work at all for me..
[22:34] <fifty-sevenC> Hi hasan
[22:34] <fifty-sevenC> maxflax, apps have to support it
[22:35] <TheMarius> mate-volume-control-applet <-- add this to startup and in the system tools menu, and start it from there
[22:36] <maxflax> fifty-sevenC, there are only one spotify apps as I know of for linux thou or what do you mean
[22:36] <TheMarius> temp fix to they sort it out.. worked fine
[22:37] <hasan> 😉
[22:37] <fifty-sevenC> now that I think of it, a script to check if it is dead and relaunch would be trivial
[22:46] <ubuntu-mate> hey iam new can you help me to change language to german by firstrun on ubuntu mate
[22:48] <fifty-sevenC> Personal -> Language support
[22:49] <TheMarius> well now im happy, my ubuntu mate runs allmost perfect when i got rid of the mate indicator thingy... except for steam, but nothing else to do there than wait for new drivers from amd
[22:50] <TheMarius> got a ton of software installed aswell
[22:50] <fifty-sevenC> Cool :)
[22:50] <TheObviousChico> how to log into freenode? :(
[22:50] <TheMarius> found a couple ive never heard of before.. natron is going to be cool for video editing
[22:51] <TheMarius> cant picture myself doing a lightsaber video though
[22:52] <fifty-sevenC> Sounds fun. Be sure to save often
[22:53] <fifty-sevenC> TheObviousChico, there should be instructions in the freenode server message I think
[22:59] <fifty-sevenC> TheMarius, are you running 64bit?
[23:00] <TheMarius> yep
[23:10] <fifty-sevenC> TheMarius, does it tell you the applet ended unexpectedly?
[23:11] <fifty-sevenC> Or does it just dissapear?
[23:11] <TheMarius> no it doesnt tell me anything at all, it just stops working
[23:11] <TheMarius> its still there, looking nice
[23:11] <TheMarius> like nothing is wrong with it
[23:12] <TheMarius> but click anything in the little window that go down when you click the sound volume, and try pausing, playing, rewind or adjust volume, nothing works at all
[23:12] <gordonjcp> "Mutiny"?
[23:12] <gordonjcp> hahaha, dicks
[23:12] <gordonjcp> :-D
[23:13] <gordonjcp> works even better than Unity
[23:13] <TheMarius> you have a long list there of programs its supposed to be able to change tracks in, pause or play etc, none of that works.. neither does the volume control.. so i have to adjust volume in each individual application.. kind of annoying when i have this pretty loud bass speaker
[23:13] <TheMarius> if i fire up a program and its frozen at max volume entire room starts shaking
[23:14] <TheMarius> luckily the temp fix i posted here earlier did it for me
[23:14] <TheMarius> simply using an alternative more simple mate volume control app
[23:16] <TheMarius> i just need volume control that works over the entire computer .. on all parts of software
[23:16] <TheMarius> so i dont wake up the neigbours
[23:16] <TheMarius> and give myself a heart attack
[23:16] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: that's what the pulseaudio volume control ought to do
[23:17] <TheMarius> its what im running now trough mate-volume-control-applet
[23:17] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: although I guess if you felt inclined you could make something to poke the alsa mixer device more directly
[23:17] <TheMarius> and it works fine, so the problem isnt there..its the indicator applet
[23:18] <TheMarius> nope.. i think i have established its not a driver fault now.. and nothing wrong with pulseaudio
[23:18] <TheMarius> its in the mate applet
[23:19] <TheMarius> indicator miniprogram
[23:19] <TheMarius> mine is translated to norwegian.. could that be an issue?
[23:20] <TheMarius> if so, odd it only affects sound.. not much there thats translated
[23:28] <fifty-sevenC> TheMarius, and you said relaunching the mate-indicator-applet and it works fine then?
[23:28] <TheMarius> no i have to reboot
[23:28] <TheMarius> if i relaunch it, i get a dead square
[23:28] <TheMarius> where the volume control is supposed to be
[23:29] <TheMarius> just a gray [] symbol
[23:29] <TheMarius> and nothing happens if i click it
[23:29] <fifty-sevenC> Next time it does that, can you run a command in your terminal and tell me what it says?
[23:29] <TheMarius> i can do it now since it has crashed
[23:29] <fifty-sevenC> pgrep -cf 'mate-indicator-applet'
[23:29] <fifty-sevenC> should be 0 or 1
[23:30] <TheMarius> it says 0
[23:30] <TheMarius> however im not running the indicator applet now
[23:30] <TheMarius> should i?
[23:30] <fifty-sevenC> I thought you said it crashed?
[23:30] <TheMarius> thats why i closed the app
[23:30] <fifty-sevenC> ok run this
[23:31] <fifty-sevenC> this /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/./mate-indicator-applet
[23:31] <fifty-sevenC> does it work now?
[23:31] <TheMarius> umm.. no... it didnt start
[23:31] <TheMarius> wait
[23:32] <TheMarius> no
[23:32] <fifty-sevenC> Wait?
[23:32] <TheMarius> i re-added it to the taskbar
[23:32] <TheMarius> the mini indicator applet
[23:32] <TheMarius> i had removed it
[23:32] <TheMarius> its like before
[23:32] <TheMarius> dead square
[23:32] <fifty-sevenC> run the pgrep
[23:32] <fifty-sevenC> is it still 0?
[23:33] <TheMarius> it says 1 now
[23:33] <TheMarius> maybe since i run it now :P
[23:33] <fifty-sevenC> and the indicator still doesn't work?
[23:33] <TheMarius> right
[23:33] <TheMarius> that is, the volume control part of it
[23:33] <TheMarius> the rest of the icons works fine
[23:34] <fifty-sevenC> Are you using the complete version or the regular applet?
[23:35] <TheMarius> "completed" it says
[23:35] <TheMarius> in norwegian
[23:35] <fifty-sevenC> ok
[23:35] <fifty-sevenC> I see
[23:35] <TheMarius> indikator miniprogram complete 1.12.1
[23:36] <TheMarius> "a miniprogram that keeps order in the systemindicators"
[23:36] <fifty-sevenC> run /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/./mate-indicator-applet-complete
[23:36] <fifty-sevenC> does the indicator work now?
[23:36] <TheMarius> nope
[23:37] <fifty-sevenC> Ok so simply restarting the process isn't going to fix it
[23:38] <fifty-sevenC> Have you ever gotten it to work again without rebooting?
[23:41] <TheMarius> nope
[23:41] <TheMarius> i have to reboot
[23:42] <fifty-sevenC> is it still crashed?
[23:42] <TheMarius> however its not a big deal since i figured out the alternative way of getting volume control to work
[23:42] <TheMarius> nah.. told you.. it just freeze and wont un-freeze until ive removed the app from the taskbar, rebooted and re-added it
[23:43] <TheMarius> <-- is (fairly) well known with troubleshooting OS'es since my windows days
[23:43] <TheMarius> but i have my experience mainly there, not in linux
[23:45] <fifty-sevenC> ok try this
[23:46] <fifty-sevenC> pkill mate-notification-daemon
[23:46] <fifty-sevenC>  then /usr/lib/mate-notification-daemon/./mate-notification-daemon
[23:46] <fifty-sevenC> pkill -f mate-notification-daemon
[23:48] <TheMarius> hold on
[23:48] <fifty-sevenC> If that doesn't fix it then I give up
[23:49] <TheMarius> doesnt work.. it didnt do anything at all
[23:49] <TheMarius> doesnt seem to be connected to that package
[23:57] <TheMarius> fifty-sevenC, sending you a screenshot
[23:57] <TheMarius> without the app running.. and then i can send one with
[23:58] <TheMarius> o.k ... guess i cant send here..
[23:59] <fifty-sevenC> Didn't work. Probably blocked by my firewall
[23:59] <fifty-sevenC> But like I said. I give up