[04:20] https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/ [04:20] wellity wellity [05:05] hi === mappps is now known as mapps [05:06] mornin === Azelphur_ is now known as Azelphur [06:13] famorning everyone [06:21] g'morn o/ [06:21] hey daftykins , how are you dude [06:21] all good here cheers, seems some morning rain is on the cards! how's your day starting off? [06:21] mercy me, the week half over already [06:24] the day after tomorrow is friday... [06:26] True , time flies :) Had a looooong day yesterday so .. [06:26] Still a bit fuzzy [06:26] :D [06:27] Damn , annoying problem [06:27] i have a usb mouse connected to my 16.04 [06:28] surely Linux can get a mouse right... [06:28] ;D [06:42] yeah [06:42] but it hangs from time to time [06:42] when i stop moving my mouse it seems to "freez" [06:42] then i have to wiggle it, it wakes up and then moves [06:43] hrmm [06:43] the touchpad is fine but it feels like the usb keyboard and mouse go into some kind of powersaving mode ? [06:43] maybe worth watching a "dmesg | tail" when it occurs? [06:45] Morning all [06:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16485903/ [06:47] hmm ok nothing recent, guess it doesn't flag up in there [07:02] might it be a power saving thing ? [07:03] could be, you still on that older kernel though? [07:03] such a new machine might benefit from the 4.5 or 4.6 mainline [07:15] erm . ill check [07:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16485903/ [07:15] sorry [07:16] Linux Axanar 4.4.0-22-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 5 16:53:32 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [07:18] morning all [07:20] !mainline [07:20] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [07:21] probably worth trying a newer or wait for the more experienced folks to chime in [07:39] morning boys and girls. [08:33] hey brobostigon [08:33] morning knightwise [08:44] howdy knightwise brobostigon === xnox_ is now known as xnox [08:55] morning MooDoo [09:01] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Golf Day! 😃 🏌 ⛳ [09:02] * brobostigon spots something about android pay on th google help site. [09:08] android pay coming to blighty? [09:08] I sure hope so [09:08] I'd want more health related apps on Android Wear, akin to what Apple Watch has [09:10] well, i could just add my card, and install it from the play store. [09:10] so it seems to work. [09:14] ooooh, 3 network doubling cost of sending pics... does anyone still send pics? :-) [09:48] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/05/18/googles-android-pay-launches-in-the-uk/ [09:49] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IjgZGhHrYY [09:52] Good morning peeps :) [09:53] ooh android pay! I will be getting a nexus 5x next week, so I'll look forward to not having to take my wallet wout with me any more [09:53] Bit of a package dependency problem on a DigitalOcean VM running Ubuntu 14.04. Any thoughts on how to resolve this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487275/ [09:54] davmor2, normally when it's me playing it's great balls of crud. 😝 [09:57] I'm sure I had an issue like that recently bigcalm - I'd installed something maybe from a deb and then it needed deps and tried from apt and it failed, trying to remember how I got around it.. .wasn't that package though so may be something completely different [09:57] I have 4 DO VMs, but this is the only one to exhibit the issue [09:57] diplo: thanks :) [09:58] Only extra repo I have is for New Relic. I don't recall installing any .deb s [09:58] Is there a way to find out which packages came from a .deb rather than from a repo? [10:00] I don't know, I could have done with knowing that myself :P [10:01] hey guys [10:01] If need be, I'll destroy the VM and rebuild it. Though I'd prefer not to [10:01] Do any of you have an idea why my USB mouse and keyboard randomly 'freeze' ? [10:02] After i havent used the mouse for a while it just freezes when i want to move it again.. After a second or so it starts working again [10:02] its like the usb port is hibernating or somethin [10:02] running 16.04 [10:02] and its not the case when i'm using the built in keyboard [10:02] and touchpad [10:03] Is it wirelss? [10:03] yes [10:03] That's the problem [10:03] ? [10:03] howso ? [10:03] * TwistedLucidity is trying to remember [10:04] wireless or bt? [10:04] It's something about the power saving and I used to have this exact issue, which I fixed. Can I remember what I did? Can I bug..ry [10:05] wireless (not bt) .. i havent been able to pair a bt mouse to my Ubuntu machine for ages [10:06] knightwise: two possibilities; 1. batteries need replacing (always takes me by surprise), 2. RF receiver is too far from the kb/mouse (I have the RF receiver for my mouse plugged into my wired kb)) [10:06] There's also something about Linux powering off the reciever or something. I really should have written this down..... [10:06] seconded on the batteries thing, when my batteries are low it can be intermittent and then works ok [10:07] bigcalm: been there , tried that , doesnt seem to fix the prob [10:07] is it possible this happens because the receivers are hooked up to a usb hub ? [10:07] yes [10:07] Not all USB hubs are the same [10:08] * knightwise plugs it in directly [10:08] I wasnt a problem with 14.04 though [10:08] one thing you could try is see if this behaviour is on other systms by plugging wireless kb and mouse into another system to see if it's software or hardware? [10:08] zmoylan-pi: tried that its not keyboard related [10:08] having the same issue with a different setup at work too [10:10] autosuspend! [10:10] That was it [10:11] knightwise: Have a check of autosuspend.conf (forum post - https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=130479#p759762) [10:11] I know it's old, but worth a gander [10:14] knightwise: Also http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/2013/12/stop-your-wireless-mouse-cutting-out-when-on-batteries/4487 [11:22] Believe it or not , it fixed it [11:22] plugging in the receiver directly and .. no problems anymore [11:23] make a note in personal database that hubs sometimes aren't 100% [11:28] Never trust a hub [11:28] never [11:29] i have had good hubs and i have had terrible hubs... even the good hubs i have 1-2 devices that are better not plugged into them [11:33] will windows 10 iso overwrite my linux partition? [11:33] historically windows never been friendly on installs [11:33] very risky ! [11:33] win7->win10 fails with unknown error [11:33] Backupbackupbackup [11:34] i believe it's always install linux after windows has violated your system [11:34] c1900101-20017 [11:34] all i need windows for is vmware client [11:37] foobarry: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player [11:37] client sw [11:37] not player [11:37] but thx anyyway [11:39] foobarry: is it horizon client? [11:39] vsphere client [11:39] to manage esxi [11:39] vsphere web client isn't up to scartch yet [11:40] foudn an interesting suggestion to try after this latest attempt has failed http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/cant-upgrade-to-windows-10error-c1900101-20017/db5baceb-f6cf-4eaf-bb65-90ef5dbea50b [11:40] i literally get a stomach ache using windows [11:40] all those wasted gigs in /windows/XX folders [11:40] just chewing up space [11:41] i get angry after 2-3 minutes of using windows... [11:42] Clonezilla, install Windows 10, Live CD, grub-install /dev/sd <- in *theory* should be OK. [11:42] theory... [11:42] If not, gparted, punch Windows in the face, restore Linux paritions, grub-install again [11:43] 2nds punching windows in the face... :-) [11:58] how about a groin-kick [12:05] you might need a gender bender dongle inserted before you try that [12:06] :) [12:08] http://imgur.com/MalZJsf [12:08] current state of my laptop [12:09] ouch :-( [12:13] nice [12:22] ooooh brand of nokia sold by ms to finnish ex nokia employees startup https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/18/nokia-returns-phone-market-microsoft-sells-brand-hmd-foxconn === john-mca` is now known as john-mcaleely [14:57] morning [14:59] had to use a usb install in the end [14:59] wow windows10 looks like kde4 [15:00] foobarry: the year of linux on the desktop is now renamed “the year of ‘bash on ubuntu on windows’” :-p [15:02] lol: https://www.grahamcluley.com/2016/05/care-taking-screenshots-blame-virus/ [15:02] wrong link [15:02] https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/732949181942267904 [15:02] ^^^ that one [15:06] I still don't understand how I have a mortgage [15:06] i know i'm late to this game windows10 is the same old suck with a new shell [15:06] uterrly sucky [15:07] driver issues, upgrade issues, cannot even do touchpad scroll. i've never heard the fan in linux [15:08] linux doesn’t know how to run the fan :-p [15:08] I've had all those problems in Linux. For the GPU, I had to boot back into Window to gain control and then boot into Linux again [15:08] My T430 will regularly run an 80+°C doing normal tasks [15:10] "Windows 10 is the all singing, all dancing, best thing since sliced bread." /facepalm It's not as bad as some make it out to be, but it aint as good as other choices :p [15:10] Find it good they are at oscon with Bash on Windows though [15:11] WSL is closed-source. they’re probably at OSCON talking about ASP.NET Core [15:11] Well, it's Ubuntu on Windows; innit? [15:11] Well it is and it aint, it's Ubuntu Bash on Windows, not actually Ubuntu as a whole [15:12] no, it is full-fat ubuntu on windows using the windows kernel instead of linux [15:12] apt-get works for any arbitrary package [15:12] For a lot of sys admins its quite a big deal [15:13] Yes, because it means they can stop stabbing themselves in the eyes with a rusty fork...I mean...use PowerShell... [15:13] TwistedLucidity: Yep :) [15:14] my linux isntall had better be there when i reboot [15:14] powershell literally powers hell [15:15] I've made use of CygWin for quite some time. Works well enough for my needs. [15:15] diddledan: hey no fair the tears of the developers forced to use it powers hell ;) [15:17] lol @ googacle commentator: https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/732953047769325569 [15:28] diddledan This whole oracle vs google thing has been quite entertaining, just hope they reach the right decision.. having them say API can be copyrighted is already one big mess [15:30] I don't get how an API can *possibly* be subject to copyright. If that's the case, then entire idustries will fall apart. [15:31] "Your pattern carparts are illegal under copyright" etc etc [15:31] Yeah.. but thats basically what the courts have said, this fight now is over whether it was "fair use" by google [15:32] Copying the code *behind* the API is nawty-nawty (assuming the license doesn't allow it) [15:32] Switches: I know that they've said, but that doens't make them right [15:32] * TwistedLucidity has as simplistic "Ronseal" view of the world [15:33] TwistedLucidity: Your preaching to the choir there mate, having an API be anything that you can copyright is down right stupidity [15:35] Makes me wish Oracle would just fall off the planet.. [15:41] they own mysql though :-( [15:41] MariaDB [15:41] makes me wonder if they would start going after mariadb if they get the precedent in this case [15:41] Also, Postgres is better [15:42] * TwistedLucidity awaits hissy fit :-P [15:42] diddledan: Maybe who knows with Oracle [15:43] it wouldn’t surprise me if they went after redhat for rhel even though their unbreakable linux is actually a fork [15:43] I'm stunned VirtualBox is still a thing. Great software, works well, doesn't nag/upsell you...why haven't Oracle killed it? [15:43] they did a good job on killing solaris [15:44] diddledan: Yeah didn't they ever [15:47] I really hope this doesn't go Oracles way lol [15:50] Although seems this google atty is making a dogs dinner of it.. [15:52] goooooooooogley hiho hiho it’s off to work we go starts in 10 mins [15:53] googleio** [15:53] rofl [15:53] bad timing with the court battle [15:53] Yeah a little, but I guess they can't really put it off.. [15:56] https://twitter.com/NHSWiltshireCCG/status/732867106354532352 so tempted to reply with "thanks for reminding me, I'll do my best to be obese by then so I can join in. Off to get some donuts" [15:56] as a fattie, I approve [15:56] I approve of the "get some donuts" [15:57] Which would go really well with my coffee... [15:57] oh, looks like I’m an hour-out on my googley timing [15:58] 1hour2mins [15:58] donuts ftw [16:01] https://twitter.com/xor/status/732964320846323712 [16:02] haha [16:02] Yeah just read it.. [16:03] "xor: Civjan's testimony was about how "devastated" Java's sales were, but his LinkedIn said they were doing great the whole time. Hmm." [16:03] haha [16:03] this is an awesome livetweeted case [16:03] Yep [16:04] netflix just launched: https://fast.com [16:07] This should be fun, they got the lead from Java Mobile now [16:10] off to get more coffee, anyone want one? [16:15] diddledan: 130Mbps [16:22] Seeker`: only perverts need that many bits :-p [16:23] it's my work connection [16:23] * diddledan hides his virgin top-tier [16:23] Seeker`: is it symmetric? that would be totes unfair! :-D [16:24] I have no idea. I suspect not. [16:24] Meh only 63 here *shakes fist at virginmedia* [16:24] KHAAAAN! [16:25] no wait, that’s a different film [16:29] ohhh seems were into the bullet firing on GNU now [16:45] at least under cameron you might be able to get money back when your internet goes down... so by the sound of it if everyone signs up to virginmedia they could make a few bob :-) [16:45] lol [16:46] Actually virgin has that covered by the "*upto" statements they like plastering all over the packages now :p [16:46] zmoylan-pi: I do everytime virgin goes down [16:47] I don't have virgin go down that much tbh, for me its a hardware issue [16:48] And I also misread zmoylan-pi >.< Thought he was talking about the whole crap with the speed on virgin now being like a yoyo, till i re-read it [16:53] Switches: they're talking about refunds for service loss I think, and defining 10Mbit as a minimum [16:54] so "upto" doesn't exempt them from having to be a) working and b) above 10mbit [16:54] Ahh [17:54] Virgin are one the worst spammers I've come across, they keep ringing me up. sending letters, getting salespeople to knock at the door offering me massive increases in broadband speed....When they do, I just ask how long it'll take them to cable my area, at which point their jaw drops and they start mumbling [17:56] you willen have faster downloads... :-) [17:59] Not with Virgin, download speed would be the same as with BT/Sky/another provider over copper cable [18:00] I actually get a faster download speed over 4G via 3, than I do over my hard wired connection [18:00] until enough muppets sign up for and use 4g on regular basis... [18:01] It'll still be faster than Virgin [18:02] not when the spotty 12yo next door discovers porn... [18:03] DJones: from the caravan I get 20Mb down and 10Mb up I was gobsmacked :) [18:03] With no Virgin cable, yep, it'll still be faster [18:04] DJones: that is 4g on 3 on a weak signal :) [18:04] davmor2: With 4G on 3 I get around 45Mb down on 3 in the middle of Wales in the caravan [18:04] DJones: I can recommend the Huawei b513 [18:04] b315 even [18:05] and not the i can't believe it's not the huawei b153? :-) [18:05] DJones: this is a poor signal area [18:05] zmoylan-pi: nice :) [18:06] davmor2: Sites we go on have wifi anyway,if that doesn't work, my tabl;et has a 4G 3 sim inserted [18:07] Thats if we get away again, good job my wife can drive with the van on the back [18:07] DJones: the site we use does it has a 125Kbs down and 25Kbs up and only on the lower part of the site and the seasonal pitches are on the upper part :) [18:07] ah right [18:07] camping isn't the roughing it i remember from the 1970s.... :-) [18:08] you'd be lucky to pick up am radio in some places [18:09] zmoylan-pi: man this was our last tent http://www.m.mycamp-let.com/trailertents/premium/ [18:10] We pick up dab no problems :) [18:10] i think ours was a wwii army surplus jobbie [18:11] and cooking on my dads brass hand pumped parafin stove [18:11] zmoylan-pi: now we are slumming it in one of these http://www.tenbytourers.co.uk/2015_Adria_Altea_Trent_552_UP/2015_Adria_Altea_Trent_552_UP.php [18:11] zmoylan-pi: Camping is what Caravaners do before they get old enough to realise how much easier a caravan is [18:12] DJones: no Camping is what I did till the arthritis made it too painful to put up the tent anymore :) [18:12] pop up tents davmor2 :-) [18:12] and don't bother folding them when you leave :-D [18:13] zmoylan-pi: I have a wife who I actually like to take on breaks with me :P [18:13] davmor2: Yep, pretty muchthe same thing, although for us, it involves firbromylgia & now epilepsy [18:13] no 5 star all mod cons tents then? :-) [18:14] zmoylan-pi: that's what we had watch the video :) [18:14] zmoylan-pi: no slumming it in a caravan way way easier :) [18:17] i see... yurts... :-P [18:17] camping with yak cheese... [18:17] DJones: what van do you have? [18:18] MooDoo: poaches his relatives I know :) [18:18] and owning a caravan means you're annoying jeremy clarkson so that's a positive for me :-) [18:19] zmoylan-pi: meh I still go faster than the Lorries so I don't care :) [18:19] davmor2: Abbey 480Se, fixed bed, 4 berth [18:20] DJones: see same mentality too idle to make a bed up every night ;) [18:20] Yep [18:21] we had a 2 berth previously, but it was too much makingthe bed up each night [18:21] Now we just get in bed and wait for the dog to jump up [18:22] mind you if we knew we were going to get a seasonal pitch we would possibly of gone for one of these instead http://www.tenbytourers.co.uk/2015_Adria_Adora_Isonzo_613_DT/2015_Adria_Adora_Isonzo_613_DT.php top of our cars tow weight but 8ft wide so even more room than that altea [18:23] Thats nice [18:24] DJones: won something like 17 awards from best layout to best van for 2015 [18:25] When I changed my car, I picked one that would pull a good sized van, but was also reasonably priced and economical, ended up with a Insignia Estate, then bought the new van last year, haven't got a single complaint with either of them [18:25] so... not a father ted caravan then... https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffatherted.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FCaravan.png&f=1 [18:26] Apart from being told I can't drive for the next 12-18 months, just glad my wife doesn't have any problems towing the van [18:26] zmoylan-pi: no the length of that one is potentially the width of the adria [18:27] * zmoylan-pi remembers a mate who's family had a foldup caravan in the 80s. do they still do those? [18:28] zmoylan-pi: they do popups and folding I don't think they do the big build out ones anymore though [18:32] I posted the following on the Ubuntu Podcast thingy on Telegram... zero response. Surely, here on the 'proper channel' there might be a brain working?! [18:32] I'm currently trying [& failing] to find the Ubuntu distro archive. I really fancy reinstalling Ubuntu Netbook Remix on a netbook [as a dual booted but non internet connected thingy once available updates grabbed]. Any suggestions? [18:37] DJones, zmoylan-pi: we liked these but you need like a tank to tow them :) [18:37] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly2fy7JG3MM [18:37] link helps [18:38] SuperEngineer: Afaik the netbook was rolled into the desktop with unity, unless you're looking for an old release which you might find on http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ [18:39] Switches: you're right... just been pointed to it by Wimpy... but it doesn't list netbook remix ;-( [18:39] but thanks [18:40] because no on makes netbooks anymore? [18:40] Hmm the netbook remix would prob be in a folder pre-11.04 i would guess [18:40] probably -but some of us keep old hardware ;_) [18:40] that's very impressive davmor2 [18:40] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/ this lists it on the page [18:41] * zmoylan-pi clutches my ancient hp netbook. 1gb 320gb hd, 14 hour battery life :-) [18:41] checking now [18:41] but after 11.04 afaik they just were using the same desktop image for desktop and netbook [18:41] Atleast i think it was 11.04.. not 100% though [18:42] SuperEngineer: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ lists them [18:42] ...I was looking under 10.04... I am now currently downloading the image :D [18:42] well done folks [18:42] :) great [18:43] I remember testing it [18:43] 10.04... last ubuntu pre unity... wasn't it? [18:43] I never bothered with the netbook one tbh [18:43] zmoylan-pi: yeap [18:43] zmoylan-pi: Yeah think so [18:44] * davmor2 started testing images in 6.06 [18:45] davmor2: Well first i think i actually "tested" was Edgy Eft.. just after Warty Warthog >.> [18:45] zmoylan-pi: I think you'll find the final Netbook remix was the start of "a Unity" [18:47] Switches: breezy and dapper were before edgy [18:47] dapper was 6.06 [18:47] Yeah I used them, but never really got into the testing side of it [18:48] I was more a "it works, i'll leave it alone now" [18:48] rather than "oh new shinies, lets break it" [18:49] Switches: oh see I mean actually testing it as in QA :) [18:50] Yeah, I started doing that with Edgy, before then I was just a "user" I guess. Before Edgy I was primarily on Gentoo and Slack [18:53] * SuperEngineer hugs distros that fit on a CD :-D [18:54] SuperEngineer: Ubuntu fits on a mini-cd you just need to pick the right version :P [18:54] oooo picky [18:54] lol [18:55] back then i kept puppy linux on business card cd :-) [18:55] I used to install from floppy [18:55] SuperEngineer: one is only 54MB [18:55] Listening to Linux Unplugged is rather amusing. BTRFS vs ZFS [18:56] SuperEngineer: admittedly you need a good network connection but it technically is only 54MB :D [18:57] what's a network connection????? [18:57] [surely - not a UK thingy] [18:57] SuperEngineer: hahahahaha [18:57] ;-) [18:58] SuperEngineer: and look it installs all the versions of Ubuntu too http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ :D Okay it might be cheating a bit :) [18:59] Cheating is no good! I've never cheated! [18:59] Welll except for [18:59] SuperEngineer: we haven't got all day for the except fors ;) [19:00] ...that one time, & then that other time ... & then that.. [bugger, I cheat!] [19:00] [but on software , not women!] [19:01] davmor2: half a day? [19:01] SuperEngineer: 24 minutes on my connection [19:02] lol [19:02] SuperEngineer: and the biggest part of that is actually the install not the download [19:03] hmmmm [19:04] SuperEngineer: it is the Debian Installer so it installs each package 1 at a time in order takes a while :) [19:06] hope it counts them up for you just to be annoying... it could say "go get a beer, may take a wee while, but "wee as in good" while" [19:08] "Speeds must be at least 10 Mbits/secound" [Queen's Speech for opening of parliament] [19:09] Well, perhaps motorways and t'internets can be confusing to a prime minister ;-) [19:09] * zmoylan-pi wonders if there is a brand of modem with a royal warrant... :-) [19:10] I doubt it [19:13] there could be a royal warranted computer again the raspberry pi :) [19:13] you'll pry her zx spectrum out her cold dead fingers... :-P [19:20] You know what I really want to find now... an ubuntu that has no systemd, no btrfs, no pulseaudio and runs the latest kernel lol *goes off to dream land* [19:23] why the systemd hate? surely when a change is so big and widespread it should be accepted and dealt with [19:24] Tbh I was a unix user before I got into Linux, so I guess I'm just old fashioned. I really dislike that systemd wants to be into everything. [19:24] daftykins: i have a pitchfork AND a torch so i am prepared! :-) [19:24] lol [19:26] Is the pitchfork for systemd or against it ? lol [19:26] Switches: BSDubuntu [19:28] Yeah I know, I guess if i want to stay with a Linux kernel and Ubuntu I need to settle for systemd, only other choice is to nuke ubuntu and install Funtoo [19:31] or maybe that Devuan although I don't know anyone using it at the mo [19:32] Switches: systemd is ubiquitous now on 99.4% of linux installs you always get the crazies ;) [19:33] linux wouldn't exist _without_ the crazies :-P [19:33] rofl thats true [19:36] time to do nosebag [some call it noshing or eating apparently!]... bfn [19:36] o/ [19:37] I guess I just see systemd as a pain in the backside, but then I was always a supporter of things like Upstart, OpenRC and having a choice on what I use, so I guess I'm also a little one sided. [19:37] zmoylan-pi: yeah there are nut jobs, crazies and then gentoo users and finally LFS users the last 2 are the crazies that enjoy pain [19:38] systemd just feels /wrong/ to me. [19:38] Same here zmoylan-pi [19:38] feels like when elop was appointed in nokia... [19:41] <-- Uses Gentoo/Funtoo and has used LFS in the past... guess that says it all [19:42] see I'm right :D [19:42] rofl yep [19:42] * zmoylan-pi scatters pieces of lego on the floor and walks barefoot :-) [19:43] xD [20:28] https://twitter.com/bobbyllew/status/733031447024574464 [20:32] remakes... does anyone think it will be better than the original? [20:37] for that matter has anyone ever seen a remake better than an original movie? [20:51] the fly [20:51] the blob [20:51] invasion of the body snatchers [20:51] that's about it though [20:51] oh wait... psycho? [20:52] :) [20:52] i think some people prefer the remake of the thing [20:52] odd that they're all sci fi horror though [20:53] oh wait the thing is the one i was thinking of [20:53] yes, it is odd, that [20:53] or just that they're better due to better effects... [20:54] the originals are all "meh" B movies [20:54] the remakes are all done by highly respectacted and ground breaking directors [20:54] they're classic b movies [20:54] well, except psycho [20:55] they're only classics at this point because of the remakes [20:55] i think not. 1-2 of the movies listed i would pick up on dvd if i saw them. the original, not the remakes [20:55] the original the fly? [20:55] yeah [20:56] but... no... [20:56] i loved watching sci fi b movies as a kid. they used to have them on all the time [20:56] fair enough [20:56] just started watching the keynote from googley hiho (from earlier this eve).. they’re outdoors! [20:56] I wonder what they’d have done if it was raining [20:57] and so many of them (like invasion of the body snatchers) were anti commie propagande funny [20:57] all zombie movies are anti-socialism [20:57] and all vampire movies are anti-capitalist [20:57] that's my theory anyway [20:58] so what about zombies AND vampires movies? [20:58] no vampire movies are a whole other thing... [20:59] vampire movies are clearly about the struggle of the proletariat against the literally blood-sucking aristocracy [20:59] the classic ones i mean [20:59]