[00:00] <nacc> Codfection: please stop calling me bro if you really want help. Please run & pastebin the output of `apt-get --yes purge mysql-server mysql-client` again
[00:00] <Codfection> ok sorry
[00:01] <usb_problem> bekks: what if I said it works on Windows
[00:02] <Codfection> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16483497/
[00:02] <Codfection> nacc,
[00:03] <nacc> Codfection: ok, that's good
[00:03] <nacc> Codfection: can you verify if /etc/mysql exist right now?
[00:03] <Codfection> sure
[00:03] <nacc> Codfection:  and if it does, do a `mv /etc/mysql /etc/mysql.bak`
[00:04] <Codfection> nope
[00:04] <Codfection> it doesn't exist
[00:04] <nacc> Codfection: and then verify if /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld exists
[00:05] <Codfection> usr.sbin.mysqld doesnt exist
[00:05] <nacc> Codfection: and finally, do a `apt-get install --reinstall apparmor` and verify that /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/mysql exists
[00:05] <usb_problem> bekks: I'm only interested in learning. Now it seems to work on both windows and ubuntu.
[00:06] <Codfection> mysql in abstractions doesnt exist either
[00:06] <Codfection> ok
[00:06] <Codfection> let me run install command
[00:06] <Codfection> nacc, after installing
[00:07] <Codfection> it still doesn't exist
[00:07] <nacc> Codfection: after running the above install command?
[00:07] <Codfection> yes
[00:09] <Codfection> ran with sudo aswell. still mysql doesnt exist. na
[00:09] <Codfection> nacc,
[00:09] <nacc> Codfection: well, yes, i'm assuming you're doing all this as root, of course -- apt doesn't really do anything as your regular user
[00:09] <nacc> Codfection: can you pastebin the output of the above isntall command?
[00:10] <Codfection> ok
[00:10] <Codfection> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16483570/
[00:12] <nacc> Codfection: ls -ahl /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions | pastebinit
[00:13] <Codfection> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16483583/
[00:15] <nacc> Codfection: create /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/mysql with the following contents: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16483598/
[00:15] <Codfection> no such file or directory
[00:15] <Codfection> na
[00:15] <Codfection> nacc,
[00:19] <nacc> Codfection: *create* it
[00:20] <Codfection> as a txt file?
[00:21] <nacc> Codfection: yes, owned by root in that directory
[00:21] <enon> OerHeks getting the latest alsa-firmware worked I HAVE sound Thank You
[00:23] <bob_> Hey there, I'm having a problem with pm-suspend since a few days, is this the right place to ask for help ?
[00:24] <OerHeks> enon, nice, have fun!
[00:24] <Codfection> nacc, done
[00:24] <Jordan_U> bob_: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:25] <bob_> 16.04
[00:25] <Codfection> nacc, then ?
[00:25] <enon> OerHeks here I was thinking the latest kernel would have the latest drivers
[00:26] <nacc> Codfection: ok, let's try to install again (`apt-get install mysql-server | pastebinit`) as root
[00:26] <Codfection> alright
[00:26] <kotuyavuz> eski sohbet odaları geldi aklıma hey gidi günler hey :D
[00:27] <bob_> Jordan_U: 16.04 !
[00:28]  * enon and now for my next incredibly stupid stunt
[00:28] <OerHeks> kotuyavuz, english please
[00:29] <OerHeks> enon, not such an odd thinking really. but untrue
[00:29] <Codfection> WOW
[00:29] <Codfection> nacc,
[00:29] <Codfection> no error
[00:29] <Codfection> this time
[00:29] <NegativeFlare> !floppy
[00:29] <nacc> Codfection: ok, so a new policy for yourself. Do not do anything as root unless you 100% know why you are doing it and you have backups.
[00:30] <nacc> :)
[00:30] <kotuyavuz> ok oerheks
[00:31] <Codfection> nacc, thank you so much
[00:31] <Codfection> can I know how did you fix it
[00:31] <Codfection> I wanna learn for future
[00:31] <nacc> Codfection: so i think what happened was either during the purge or mabye because of some of the purge steps from that article, the apparmor profile was deleted
[00:32] <nacc> Codfection: so first we go into a state where no mysql was installed (/etc/mysql was not present, and no packages were present)
[00:32] <nacc> Codfection: then I verified if the apparmor abstraction was there, it was not
[00:32] <Codfection> how did you know if apparmor was the problem causing root
[00:32] <nacc> Codfection: that corresponding roughly to the error you were getting, fwiw, it was saying it couldn't parse the abstractions file, which maybe didn't exist (which is in a way a parse error...)
[00:33] <Codfection> so it was showing apparmor directory right?
[00:33] <Codfection> ok then?
[00:33] <Codfection> in error dialogue*
[00:33] <nacc> right
[00:33] <Codfection> so how did you manage to get this new content for mysql
[00:33] <nacc> so i asked you if that file existed. If it had existed, we wouldh ave verified it wasn't altered from the package default
[00:33] <NegativeFlare> Guys, I'm having a bit of a problem. No matter what I do, I can't get Ubuntu to mount my Floppy. I keep getting this error: $ sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[00:34] <nacc> Codfection: i took it from the version installed on my system, which is unaltered, after verifying it against the pacakge source
[00:34] <Codfection> how to verify against package source?
[00:34] <nacc> Codfection: I downloaded the package source and looked at the file contents
[00:35] <bob_> Anybody knows what might cause pm-suspend issues ? When I type the command ina  terminal it gets stuck and fans start going crazy then stop. Same problem when I fold my laptop and open it up. It goes to sleep but doesn't wake up. (I've read every forum thread on similar issues and either it didn't help or I couldn't make sense of it)
[00:35] <Codfection> sorry for asking a noob question but can u tell me how to download package source
[00:35] <Codfection> if in case later I have to put myself
[00:35] <Codfection> by&
[00:35] <Codfection> *
[00:36] <nacc> Codfection: `apt-get source <pkgname>`
[00:36] <nacc> Codfection: that's one way, at least, pull-lp-source can also do it
[00:36] <nacc> depends on what you need to do, apt-get is probably sufficient for your use-cases
[00:36] <OerHeks> NegativeFlare, mount /dev/fd0 is broken somehowe, try: udisks --mount /dev/fd0 instead (or udisks --mount /media/floppy0 if you prefer).
[00:37] <NegativeFlare> OerHeks: You can't install udisks. It gives you an error about installation candidate
[00:38] <Codfection> nacc, thank you so much
[00:38] <nacc> OerHeks: NegativeFlare: has it been replaced by udisks2 ?
[00:38] <Codfection> can you please tell me how to backup if I want to downgrade my ubuntu and bring back my apps and settings and files to that one
[00:39] <OerHeks> nacc +2
[00:39] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks is gone, udisks2 is the replacement
[00:39] <nacc> Codfection: well, i'd probably take a backup of /etc and your home directory (per-user settings). But you're changing levels of software. That means the configuration may not apply anymore
[00:39] <NegativeFlare> nacc: not sure, I'll try that
[00:40] <nacc> Codfection: there isn't a really good way to, in a guaranteed fashion, do what you suggest, that i know of
[00:40] <nacc> Codfection: i'm sure there are lots of articles with tips and suggestions, though -- just nothing is going to be foolproof
[00:42] <bob_> Just to be sure, you only a swap partition for hibernation and not for sleep. Correct ?
[00:42] <bob_> *need
[00:43] <nacc> bob_: in the context of hibernation and sleep, yes, i believe sleep (suspend?) uses RAM.
[00:43] <nacc> bob_: swap is used for other things of course, so those two alone do not determine your need for it or not
[00:44] <bob_> nacc: K thanks for confirming, since I've got 32gb or RAM I'd rather avoid making a swap partition
[00:46] <bob_> nacc: so making a swap partition wouldn't fix my suspend issues, right ?
[00:46] <OerHeks> there is suspend to ram and suspend to disk, iirc
[00:46] <Jordan_U> bob_: What happens when you run "systemctl suspend"?
[00:46] <bob_> OerHeks: suspend to disk = hibernate, no ?
[00:47] <nacc> OerHeks: i always forget which terminology is which :/
[00:47] <nacc> at one point there were several competing in and out of kernel implementations
[00:48] <nacc> bob_: i would doubt it
[00:48] <nacc> bob_: iirc, there's a way to debug (sort of fake) the suspend routine of the kernel. I think it's a knob in sysfs, but I forget for sure, maybe someone else will remember
[00:48] <nacc> but it basically goes through everythign but the actual suspend
[00:48] <nacc> which means your console still works during, and you can see if it's a hardware issue
[00:49] <nacc> hardware/hardware support
[00:49] <bob____> Jordan_U: Hey sorry I tried your command and it shut down my screen haha I had to restart my pc
[00:49] <EriC^^> bob____: which pc?
[00:49] <OerHeks> iirc it is a safety feature, if suspend gets broken ( powerfailure ) you still would have the data, but this is not standard.
[00:50] <bob____> EriC^^: I meant my laptop haha
[00:50] <EriC^^> which laptop?
[00:51] <Jordan_U> bob____: Did it cause your machine to suspend?
[00:51] <EriC^^> how can i get vboxdrv? i'm using a mainline kernel 4.6 and have the headers and dkms installed, modprobe vboxdrv saysmodprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found in directory /lib/modules/4.6.0-040600..
[00:52] <bob____> EriC^^: you may well ask what it is, this laptop of mine. Well, this laptop that I have--that is to say, which is mine-- ...is mine
[00:52] <EriC^^> lol
[00:52] <EriC^^> is it an hp?
[00:52] <bob____> EriC^^: (monty pythons)
[00:52] <bob____> EriC^^: sager, custom made
[00:52]  * OerHeks silly walks
[00:53] <EriC^^> oh
[00:53] <bob____> Jordan_U: I don't think so, I had music palying even without the screen on
[00:53] <EriC^^> did you try the acpi stuff in the kernel line?
[00:53] <bob____> Jordan_U: I did get an error message right before the screen shut down though
[00:53] <EriC^^> i had suspend issues and installing the 4.6rc6 kernel from mainline fixed it
[00:54] <Jordan_U> bob____: How long did you wait before pulling the plug?
[00:54] <bob____> EriC^^: acpi stuff ?
[00:54] <EriC^^> bob____: yeah, passing acpi_osi="Windows <year here>" and other stuff from grub
[00:54] <TechnoTony_MAIN> I recently upgraded my Laptop running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS to 15.10 (in order to be upgrade to 16.04). Now, when I open it, it gets stuck at the purple screen after the logo dissapears. Is this caused by the PPA's being set for 14.04? If so, how can I fix this? (preferably without formatting the PC)
[00:55] <EriC^^> TechnoTony_MAIN: try booting without quiet splash in the kernel line to see the output
[00:55] <TechnoTony_MAIN> @EriC^^ How?
[00:56] <EriC^^> TechnoTony_MAIN: hold shift when the pc boots to get grub, then press e over ubuntu and go to the line with linux /boot/vmlinuz and remove quiet splash then press ctrl+x to boot
[00:56] <bob____> EriC^^: I did not. I've seen a few people fixing their issues with upgrading the kernel, I also read it was kinda risky
[00:56] <Jordan_U> TechnoTony_MAIN: Upgrading from 14.04 LTS to the non LTS 15.04 was a bad idea.
[00:56] <EriC^^> bob____: risky how
[00:56] <potasmic_> Hi. I'm having 16.04 and I boot into a blank screen
[00:57] <potasmic_> First I'd see a backlight, but then its completely black.
[00:57] <bob____> Jordan_U: Not long, but as I said music was playing and only the screen was off, the rest seemed to be on. I waited like 5 seconds and then restarted
[00:57] <potasmic_> Keyboard still works.
[00:57] <TechnoTony_MAIN> @Jordan_U, I tried to upgrade to 16.04 LTS, but it forced me to upgrade to 15.10 first
[00:57] <EriC^^> bob____: which vga?
[00:58] <bob____> EriC^^: Don't know I've read it might be better to wait for a fix instead of updating to a more recent kernel, but I have basically no idea what it does so...
[00:58] <Jordan_U> bob____: Sorry. I should have told you that "systemctl suspend" would attempt to suspend your machine, and not to try to force shut down without having waited at least a minute.
[00:59] <bob____> Jordan_U: No worries, should I do it again ? haha
[00:59] <bob____> EriC^^: What do you mean ?
[00:59] <EriC^^> bob____: amd? nvidia?
[00:59] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | potasmic_ Have you tried ?
[01:00] <Jordan_U> bob____: Well, first lets see if any useful error messages were logged to the journal and actually committed to disk in those 5 seconds.
[01:00] <bob____> EriC^^: Oh, nvidia 970 smth
[01:01] <bob____> EriC^^:  product: GM204M [GeForce GTX 970M]
[01:01] <potasmic_> Bashing-om: I read up about it. Do I need that live CD (or installation storage flash drive) to boot to nomodeset?
[01:01] <potasmic_> Well, I'll try it now anyways.
[01:01] <potasmic_> Ttyl
[01:01] <bob____> Jordan_U: what journal ?
[01:02] <TechnoTony_MAIN>  I booted to command line, now it says --[ end Kernel public - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[01:03] <Jordan_U> bob____: The systemd journal, containing all system logs. First. Does the directory /var/log/journal/ exist currently on your system?
[01:04] <pranith> Is there a PPA for latest version of gnu global available?
[01:04] <pranith> on upgrade emacs ggtags started spewing errors due to old version of global in 16.04
[01:05] <bob____> Jordan_U: it does not
[01:05] <bob____> Jordan_U: bash: cd: /var/log/journal: No such file or directory
[01:06] <Jordan_U> bob____: Ok, I could have sworn that Ubuntu enabled persistent logging via the systemd journal by default, but apparently not.
[01:06] <Jordan_U> bob____: sudo mkdir /var/log/journal/
[01:07] <bob____> Jordan_U: I don't know if that makes a difference but I'm using i3 and I might have fiddled a bit too much with it
[01:07] <bob____> Jordan_U: done
[01:08] <Jordan_U> bob____: sudo systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal/
[01:08] <bob____> Jordan_U: done
[01:08] <Jordan_U> bob____: systemctl restart systemd-journald
[01:08] <bob____> Jordan_U: should I expect my laptop to shutdown ?
[01:09] <bob____> Jordan_U: if it does I'll be bob third underscore when I'm back haha
[01:09] <Jordan_U> bob____: No. That was just restarting the journald logging service, which will now keep persistent logs (rather than just keeping logs in memory, which are lost upon reboot).
[01:09] <bob____> Jordan_U: k done
[01:10] <OerHeks> pranith, file a bugreport, and maybe you want to build yourself? http://www.gnu.org/software/global/download.html
[01:10] <OerHeks> i find no ppa anyway
[01:10] <bob____> Jordan_U: how do you guys know this stuff ?^^ I'm in CS and I get As and stuff but not even my profs would be able to help me with that
[01:12] <Jordan_U> bob____: Now, I think it's a good idea to enable sysrq magic, which is something I do on all of my machines. Sysrq magic allows you to (among a few other things) command the kernel to sync all data to disk, remount all filesystems ro, and power off even when userspace is completely unresponsive. It is not enable by default as it could be a local physical security problem: Someone with physical access to
[01:12] <Jordan_U> the keyboard could do not nice things to your system, even with X locked. That said, unless your machine is a kiosk, they could do not nice things with physical access anyway.
[01:12] <Jordan_U> bob____: http://askubuntu.com/questions/11002/alt-sysrq-reisub-doesnt-reboot-my-laptop
[01:14] <bob____> Jordan_U: alright let's do it
[01:14] <potasmic_> Bashing-om: Hey. This doesn't happen all the time. Sometimes I'm able to get in. Sometimes it black screens. Here's a screenshot of the additional driver thing.  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/guBrpKqa/irccloudcapture-1369183382.jpg
[01:15] <potasmic_> I also get that lvmetad is not active yet every time I boot in and shutdown
[01:15] <Jordan_U> bob____: With sysrq magic enabled, if your screen turns off again but the kernel is still responsive, you can most likely reboot relatively cleanly using alt+sysrq+REISUB (Holding alt and sysrq keys for the whole time as you press, in succession at least a 1 second delay between each, r e i s u b )
[01:16] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: look'n .
[01:16] <EriC^^> how can i get vboxdrv? i'm using a mainline kernel 4.6 and have the headers and dkms installed, modprobe vboxdrv saysmodprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found in directory /lib/modules/4.6.0-040600..
[01:17] <potasmic> It's like a Heisenbug... Sometimes happen, sometimes not, quite scary
[01:18] <bob____> Jordan_U: How can I enable it ?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: There is no other driver availabale. Pastebin ' lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' ' and let's know the hardware .
[01:18] <potasmic> Bashing-om, 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics]
[01:18] <potasmic> 	DeviceName:  Onboard IGD
[01:18] <potasmic> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics]
[01:19] <potasmic> oops
[01:19] <potasmic> sorry I should've pastebinned it
[01:19] <bob____> Jordan_U: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, this ?
[01:19] <Jordan_U> bob____: Follow the top answer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/11002/alt-sysrq-reisub-doesnt-reboot-my-laptop
[01:20] <potasmic> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/VnRRKcsJ
[01:22] <Bashing-om> potasmic: What release are you running ?
[01:23] <potasmic> Bashing-om, 16.04 downloaded two-three days ago, have done some updates.
[01:23] <bob____> Jordan_U: k, done
[01:24] <potasmic> Bashing-om, I've just opened the about window: 16.04 LTS.
[01:26] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Well .. in 16.04 there is no proprietary driver. That explains why there is no other driver offered. AMD is putting all effort into open source support .
[01:27] <potasmic> Bashing-om, is there anything I can do about this?
[01:27] <bob____> Jordan_U: What next ? What about all the scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ ? What are these for ?
[01:27] <Jordan_U> bob____: Ok, now reboot and run test that alt+sysrq+r causes a message like "sysrq: SysRq : Keyboard mode set to system default" to appear in the output of "dmesg", then test that "sudo journalctl --boot=-1" shows all logs from the previous boot. Once we know that those two things are working properly, we can try suspending again.
[01:29] <Bashing-om> potasmic: An intermitttent booting issue can be tough to fix . Is encryption used here ?
[01:29] <potasmic> Bashing-om, I don't think so. Passworded, but no encryption on data. afai-remember
[01:29] <Jordan_U> bob____: Systemd's suspending functionality replaces pm-suspend, and I don't think that /etc/pm/sleep.d/ is used by systemd's suspend implementation.
[01:33] <Bashing-om> potasmic: 'Bout all I can suggest at this point is to remove "quiet splash" boot parametes such that you see the boot messages as you boot. Try and see what is going on . else there is : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/systemd-blame.html to try and analyze what is taking place .
[01:33] <bob____> Jordan_U: I'll try doing what you said. I checked the log in : /var/log/pm-suspend.log and for most files in sleep.d it says non applicable
[01:34] <potasmic> Bashing-om, can I edit boot parameters while in the OS? (I'm current in Ubuntu right now because... it just works this time)
[01:34] <potasmic> Bashing-om, I'll read the post
[01:35] <bob____> Jordan_U: but for sleep.d/99video it says disabled. K I'll reboot and I'll be back. thanks a lot by the way you're a life savior
[01:36] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Yeah .. you want to make a backup of /etc/default/grub . and in that file is the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet" . remove quiet splash, save the file, and propagate the change with terminal command ' sudo update-grub '
[01:36] <potasmic> Bashing-om, thanks!
[01:37] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Finding a intermittent thing is slow work .. can be hard work .. good luck .
[01:38] <potasmic> Bashing-om, Haven't accomplished anything right now but if I remove `quiet splash nomodeset` from my grub file it'll guarantee to work everytime?
[01:39] <bob_> Jordan_U: [  109.779628] sysrq: SysRq : Keyboard mode set to system default
[01:40] <bob_> Jordan_U: sudo journalctl --boot=-1 does indeed output all the logs
[01:41] <potasmic> Bashing-om, grub updated. rebooting. brb
[01:42] <potasmic> Oh actually, without splash and quiet, it's more interesting to watch my computer boot :P
[01:42] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Nother thought, we can make sure that the open source driver is in fact loaded .. ' sudo lshe -C display ' .
[01:42] <potasmic> Bashing-om: okay, so it works, but I'm not sure if I'll wake up the next day guaranteed getting in.
[01:43] <potasmic> Lshe not found, Bashing-om
[01:44] <Bashing-om> potasmic: ^ I del the same .. and boots faster when the splash screen is not activated . // typo s/b ' sudo lshw -C display '
[01:45] <potasmic> For some reason, my Wifi isn't working now...
[01:45] <abraxas_> zil
[01:46] <potasmic> Bashing-om  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VAvRM6ZA/irccloudcapture-1303953685.jpg
[01:47] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Good .. " configuration: driver=redeon" .
[01:47] <potasmic> So it's there, but it's wacky.
[01:47] <Bashing-om> !pastebinit | potasmic
[01:47] <potasmic> Ooohhh nice
[01:48] <potasmic> But my wifi is dead after reb
[01:48] <potasmic> Reboot
[01:49] <Jordan_U> bob_: Great. Now use "systemctl suspend" and wait at least two minutes (not that it should ever take that long if things are working properly). If it doesn't ever suspend, and if you can't get to a terminal with ctrl+alt+F1 after waiting the 2 minutes, then use alt+sysrq+ REISUB to reboot semi-cleanly. Then we'll check the logs.
[01:49] <Bashing-om> potasmic: The driver is wacky .. or the DeskTop ? .. Might look at the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. See if X has anything to relate .
[01:50] <bob_> Jordan_U: I'll try that. Just one thing though, I'm using i3 and Windows key + arrows was used to naviguate the windows, now it launches a tty
[01:50] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, Xorg0.log is blank
[01:51] <Bashing-om> potasmic: Grub would have nothing to do with networking . Do not know what to say about WIFI .
[01:51] <potasmic_> wifi works again after reboot.
[01:51] <angel1604> sorry on my laptop hp probook 4540s with ubuntu 1604 you do not see me the bluetooth card. Are there solutions?
[01:51] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: check again .. will be very strange in deed if that file did not exist .
[01:52] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, did I tell you that I keep seeing lvmetad is not active yet?
[01:52] <Jordan_U> bob_: What do you mean by "launches a tty"? Does it take you to another tty (a screen with only a text login/terminal)?
[01:53] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Yeah .. and I did forget .. not sure what to make of it .. Google here I come .
[01:53] <joole> how to ban the pointing device?
[01:53] <bob_> Jordan_U: yes it does, tty6
[01:53] <bob_> Jordan_U: same with Alt + arrows
[01:53] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, cat: /var/log/Xorg0.log: No such file or directory
[01:53] <potasmic_> \shrug
[01:55] <Jordan_U> bob_: I'm not sure what to make of that, but I don't think it will have an effect on this suspend test.
[01:55] <bob_> Jordan_U: very well. I'll fix that another time then
[01:57] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: I see .. there is a 'dot' between Xorg and '0' . try again .
[01:59] <angel1604> sorry on my laptop hp probook 4540s with ubuntu 1604 do not see me the bluetooth card. Are there solutions?
[01:59] <bob____> Jordan_U: It suspends fine but I can wake up from sleep. alt+sysrq+REISUB worked fine to reboot
[01:59] <bob____> Jordan_U: *can't
[01:59] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, pastebinit is timed out, give me sec
[02:00] <joole> sudo apt-get install bluz-utils ????
[02:01] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, http://pastebin.com/6PYrTHZ7
[02:01] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: K, and on the lvmetad: http://askubuntu.com/questions/767140/lvmetad-is-not-active-yet seems that is not a thing to fret about . still checking .
[02:02] <potasmic_> pastebinit doesn't work despite I'm able to paste it through the web display
[02:03] <potasmic_> uhhh web-interface... whatever.
[02:03] <noobineer> need some help, using mate 15.10, I installed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg but rythmnbox still can't import my .m4a music collection
[02:04] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, oops. I just realized my paste was marked as spam. Should be fixed with the same URL.
[02:06] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: I got it .. and " /dev/mapper/ubuntu " , 37.163] (II) systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration " .. so far seems encryption is a factor here , still reading .
[02:07] <potasmic_> Oh damn, so I did tick that "Encrypt my data" when installing?
[02:07] <potasmic_> Because I'm pretty sure I didn't ...
[02:07] <potasmic_> I'm so forgetful... ?!
[02:07] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, thanks so much for your time with this.
[02:12] <shan> hi, does anyone use Ubuntu Mate on Raspberry Pi 3?
[02:14] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: X is happy and configures radeon with no problems reported . encryption at the heart of this intermittent booting issue ?
[02:14] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, I'm unsure. Is there a way I can disable it? I don't need to encrypt my files on this machine.
[02:14] <TJ-> Bashing-om: potasmic_ "lvmetad" is not something to be concerned about
[02:15] <potasmic_> TJ-, thanks I associated the blackscreen with it
[02:15] <Jordan_U> bob____: OK, please pastebin the output of "sudo journalctl --boot=-1" .
[02:16] <rookus> Can anyone help me set up a PXE server?
[02:16] <Jordan_U> shan: Just ask your actual question, and if anyone thinks they can help they will.
[02:16] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: TJ- ^^ Thabls for that confirmation on "lvmetad" ,
[02:16] <TJ-> Bashing-om: potasmic_ what's the core issue, I've missed it
[02:16] <bob____> Jordan_U: -- Logs begin at Tue 2016-05-17 21:09:26 EDT, end at Tue 2016-05-17 22:16:08 EDT. -- May 17 21:36:45 Baloo systemd-journald[269]: Runtime journal (/run/log/journal/) is 8.0M, max 321.2M, 313.2M free. May 17 21:36:45 Baloo kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset May 17 21:36:45 Baloo kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpu May 17 21:36:45 Baloo kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuacct May 17 21:36:45 Baloo kernel: Linux 
[02:16] <bob____> Jordan_U: K I'll do it line by line
[02:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: An intermittent issue of booting to a black screen . ATI R3, 16.04 .
[02:17] <bob____> Jordan_U: -- Logs begin at Tue 2016-05-17 21:09:26 EDT, end at Tue 2016-05-17 22:16:08 EDT. --
[02:17] <avis> i can't open image files on my desktop and i am unsure why
[02:17] <bob____> Jordan_U: May 17 21:36:45 Baloo systemd-journald[269]: Runtime journal (/run/log/journal/) is 8.0M, max 321.2M, 313.2M free.
[02:18] <bob____> Jordan_U: May 17 21:36:45 Baloo kernel: Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[02:18] <bob____> Jordan_U: actually I'll put the file on my website
[02:18] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, dinner now. you can PM and highlight me and I'll atttempt to scroll up
[02:18] <MoonBurst> My speakers don't get sound, and my headphones have constant static. Is there a chance that's a software issue, or is that for sure a hardware problem?
[02:19] <TJ-> Bashing-om: potasmic_ are there more than one monitors connected?
[02:19] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | bob____
[02:19] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: A quick bite, as TJ- is some kind of smart ,, and we have his attention .
[02:19] <TJ-> ha! it's 03:20 and I was just heading off :)
[02:20] <TJ-> potasmic_: Bashing-om when it occurs, have you tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to a VT console and then Alt+F7 to switch back to the GUI?
[02:20] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Long about then .. I become unthinkable .. you do such good work .
[02:21] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Not to this time  on changing the VTs .
[02:22] <Jordan_U> bob____: You can just run "sudo journalctl --boot=-1 | pastebinit" to automatically upload the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com . The pastebinit command will output a URL which you can then share to the channel.
[02:22] <bob____> Jordan_U: gotcha. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16484467/
[02:24] <noobineer> I fixed my problem just now, I had to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
  to eneable the .m4a music file codec, not gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[02:25] <Jordan_U> bob____: Please use the pastebinit command I gave. The output you gave is incomplete (when run interactively journalctl enables paging, so that you need to press enter/space/page down to scroll through the output to see it all).
[02:26] <bob____> Jordan_U: oh right, mb.
[02:26] <TJ-> Bashing-om: with more than 1 monitor, even if only 1 is set to be active, its not unknown for the primary monitor output to change at boot-time, so the active output could be on 'the other' monitor (which is often switched off and so not seen)
[02:26] <bob____> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16484489/
[02:28] <Jordan_U> bob____: "Linux version 4.4.0-22-generic-tuxonice" Would have been good to know that you were using a non standard kernel earlier. Why are you using a tuxonice kernel?
[02:28] <bob____> Jordan_U: no idea, I don't even know what it is
[02:29] <Jordan_U> bob____: Well you or someone else installed a ppa with a tuxonice kernel. Is this your machine?
[02:29] <Bashing-om> TJ-: in the xorg file " root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro " for LVM and/or encryption .. right ? and then there is [    37.163] (II) systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration" . Authentication to the desktop ?
[02:30] <bob____> Jordan_U: Oh actually I think I tried installing that when I was trying to fix my suspend issues, to use hibernate instead of suspend since apparenetly someone had success with that
[02:30] <bob____> Jordan_U: It is !
[02:30] <TJ-> Bashing-om: "root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root" for an LVM root  file-system
[02:31] <TJ-> Bashing-om: no encryption indicated from that, that would be shown elsewhere
[02:31] <Jordan_U> bob____: Ubuntu has support for hibernation by default (though it's disabled in the GUI IIRC), no need to add any ppa.
[02:32] <Jordan_U> bob____: Please use ppa-purge to purge this ppa, then reboot and try again with a stock Ubuntu kernel.
[02:32] <Jordan_U> !ppa-purge | bob____
[02:33] <bob____> Jordan_U: so sudo ppa-purge tuxonice ?
[02:35] <bob____> Jordan_U: k I remember now trying to delete this ppa, I remove it from my /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[02:36] <bob____> Jordan_U: So apparently just deleting the file wasn't enough. What command should I use ?
[02:37] <bob____> Jordan_U: Ok it's deleted, i'll reboot
[02:42] <bob_> Jordan_U: I still have the same issue, my laptop is not waking up.
[02:43] <Jordan_U> bob_: How exactly did you revert the packages installed from the ppa?
[02:43] <bob_> Jordan_U: http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[02:44] <bob_> Jordan_U: You can also remove PPAs by deleting the .list files from /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory.
[02:44] <bob_> Jordan_U: I had missed a .list file when I tried deleting it earlier
[02:45] <bob_> Jordan_U: Actually it still shows up now. Even know the deletion was succesful
[02:45] <bob_> Jordan_U: tuxonice-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
[02:45] <bob_> Jordan_U: *even though
[02:45] <Jordan_U> bob_: Deleting the file doesn't uninstall the packages that you installed from that ppa. Using ppa-purge does.
[02:46] <bob_> Jordan_U: so what command ?
[02:46] <bob_> Jordan_U: I did sudo ppa-purge tuxonice, seems to be working
[02:47] <Jordan_U> bob_: sudo ppa-purge ppa:tuxonice/ppa
[02:47] <bob_> Jordan_U: Ok that's done. Should I reboot ?
[02:49] <Jordan_U> bob_: Please pastebin the output, if any, of "dpkg -l | grep '~ppa' " (note the single quotes around '~ppa' ).
[02:50] <MoonBurst> My computer has started crashing today, like... a lot. I don't really know the cause, but what happens is, my screens turn off "going into power savings mode" my music stutters for a few seconds during and after, then the computer reboots. Is there a way to test the problem?
[02:50] <Jordan_U> bob_: And also "dpkg -l | grep tuxonice" .
[02:50] <bob_> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16484621/
[02:51] <bob_> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16484623/
[02:54] <Jordan_U> bob_: What was the output of "sudo ppa-purge tuxonice"? (because it apparently didn't remove anything)
[02:57] <bob_> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/mut2N9wQ
[02:58] <Jordan_U> bob_: OK, I just didn't realize that tuxonice-userui is in the default repositories. Let's remove that as well. "sudo apt purge tuxonice-userui".
[03:00] <potasmic_> TJ-, one monitor
[03:00] <bob_> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/drq8MzFV
[03:00] <potasmic_> TJ-, I've tried Ctrl Alt F1 - F12 nothing works
[03:00] <potasmic_> haven'tr tried Alt F7
[03:00] <potasmic_> idk what a VT is
[03:02] <potasmic_> TJ-, Bashing-om, here's the order: HP logo (BIOS I assume), a deep solid purple (I believe is Grub?), then backlight black, then complete black. At this point, keyboard still works (I can toggle numlock). The thing I just said was before I delete "quiet splah"
[03:02] <potasmic_> splash
[03:02] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: VT is Virtuaal terminal .. standard install there are 7 VTs .. #7 generally (sic) is the GUI .
[03:02] <Jordan_U> bob_: Great. Since your last test was probably done with a stock kernel, and tuxonice-userui probably doesn't interfere with systemctl suspend, I expect you will still have the same problem. Am I correct that the computer resumes from suspend but the screen is simply all black or getting no signal?
[03:02] <potasmic_> ah
[03:03] <potasmic_> well, nothing shows up at all
[03:03] <bob_> Jordan_U: affirmative
[03:04] <Jordan_U> bob_: Which is it, all black or no signal? (If there is no signal, your monitor should display an error message of some kind).
[03:04] <bob_> Jordan_U: All black, not even any lighting, the screen is simply turned off
[03:05] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: So next time ya get "black screened" what results in key combo ctl+alt+F1 to go to VT 1 . then alt+F7 to return to the GUI ?
[03:05] <Jordan_U> bob_: Laptop or desktop?
[03:05] <bob_> Jordan_U: laptop
[03:05] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, How long does it take to response? Because I'm sure I've tried Ctrl Alt F1 and nothing shows up
[03:06] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Did you see TJ- query in respect to the number of monitors connected ?
[03:06] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, yes, I said 1
[03:07] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Me no pay attention .. sorry . as to gaining VT1 . almost instantainious .
[03:07] <Jordan_U> bob_: It might be worth trying to disable the nvidia proprietary drivers then see if resuming from suspend works.
[03:07] <bob_> Jordan_U: Yeah I saw that mentionned on some posts but I was too scared to try it out.
[03:07] <bob_> Jordan_U: How do I do that ?
[03:08] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, ish ok, nobody stick their eyes to irc
[03:08] <Jordan_U> bob_: How did you enable the proprietary nvidia drivers in the first place?
[03:09] <bob_> Jordan_U: Probably some apt command I found on stack overflow or ubuntu forums
[03:10] <Jordan_U> bob_: I strongly recommend that you start keeping notes about what you do to your computer.
[03:10] <Ade> How to fix install dev c++ on ubuntu ?
[03:10] <Jordan_U> !details | Ade
[03:11] <caliculk> Does anyone here use an inventory management solution in the workplace that is compatible with Linux, OS X, and Windows and can perform SNMP scanning/polling, agent and agentless based information, has an API, and can pull serial numbers for all hard drives. Curious as to what you use, because right now, I am out of ideas on my possibilities.
[03:11] <bob_> Jordan_U: You're right.
[03:13] <Jordan_U> bob_: Please try booting from an Ubuntu 16.04 LiveUSB and running "systemctl suspend" to suspend from there. If suspending and resuming works from a LiveUSB, then that most likely means that something you have done since installing has caused suspending/resuming to fail. (That might not mean that you did something wrong, for instance you may have properly installed the proprietary drivers but they just
[03:13] <Jordan_U> have a bug relating to resuming on your hardware).
[03:14] <daniel1234> Hello my names Daniel and i am a new user to Linux. I am having trouble connecting to samba file service. I have Wifi on my computer and am using the gui
[03:15] <potasmic_> Hi Daneil! :D
[03:15] <potasmic_> *Daniel!
[03:15] <daniel1234> hello
[03:15] <bob_> Jordan_U: What if that's the case and suspend works on the liveUSB ?
[03:16] <daniel1234> what could be the problem?
[03:16] <bob_> Jordan_U: I tried this : http://askubuntu.com/questions/128113/how-do-you-remove-nvidias-proprietary-drivers
[03:17] <daniel1234> I have wifi connected on both my laptop and desktop
[03:17] <potasmic_> daniel1234, someone will assist you shortly, but you should also elaborate on why you're unable to connect.
[03:17] <Jordan_U> bob_: Then it may be that uninstalling the Nvidia proprietary drivers will get suspend working on your installed system, but you'll have to decide if you're OK with that trade off. It could also be one of a number of other possible things you might have done. It's hard to say, but if it does work on the liveUSB then at least we know that it is possible with your hardware and current software.
[03:17] <potasmic_> daniel1234, does it say something? Any error messages?
[03:18] <daniel1234> no the GUI works and you can share, however it wont show up on the computer
[03:18] <daniel1234> trying to connect to
[03:19] <daniel1234> the gui seems fine but trying to connect is the problem
[03:19] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: As another thought as this is LVM .. running out of space in /boot ? .. what returns ' df -h ' ?
[03:19] <daniel1234> I am running wifi on both computers
[03:19] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, sec
[03:20] <bob_> Jordan_U: So the best option might be to do a clean install from the LiveUSB ?
[03:20] <daniel1234> laptop running knoppix and desktop running ubuntu
[03:20] <bob_> Jordan_U: (If suspend works on it)
[03:20] <daniel1234> sambas on the desktop
[03:20] <Jordan_U> bob_: It might be, yes.
[03:21] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16484834/
[03:22] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Nope , not that either, space usage is good . Is the system fully updated ? ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade '
[03:22] <bob_> Jordan_U: Alright I'll try that. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the help.
[03:23] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, isn't the system supposed to do that itself whenever it notify me "a OS update is available [... etc]
[03:23] <daniel1234> could it be the IP address
[03:23] <daniel1234> not configuered properly
[03:23] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, doing it now.
[03:24] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:24] <potasmic_> "
[03:24] <Bashing-om> PotatoGim: Maybe ,, depends on how you have configuered update-manager . will not hurt to run the commands now manually and see what the situation for updates is .
[03:24] <potasmic_> yeah, pretty sure I'm up=to-date Bashing
[03:24] <potasmic_> haha Potato
[03:25] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Yep .. up-2-date . scratch that thought too .
[03:25] <potasmic_> ok
[03:25] <potasmic_> Do you need my sysinfo?
[03:25] <potasmic_> HexChat has a command for that
[03:25] <potasmic_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-22-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x AMD A4-6210 APU with AMD Radeon R3 Graphics (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.50GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.3GiB, 39.6% free ** Disk: Total: 454.9GiB, 92.9% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI1: USB-Audio - HP Webcam HD 43102: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
[03:25] <potasmic_> ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet ** Uptime: 1h 36m 54s **
[03:26] <daniel1234> does anyone know i have tried youtube and it look easy but not working
[03:29] <thon> Is anyone able to get Clex working on Ubuntu?
[03:30] <daniel1234> Could somebody help me with samba
[03:33] <daniel1234> could somebody please help me
[03:33] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: At this point All I know to tell you is to watch the boot messages ,, and ' systemd-analyze blame ' .
[03:33] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, .... it's very fast? You'd expect me to watch all of that
[03:33] <CryptoSiD> how can i set apt in ubuntu so it keep only 4 kernel, i have a lot of vm that are low on space cause it have like 30 kernels installed
[03:35] <daniel1234> is anyone out there to help me
[03:35] <daniel1234> i am a newbie to linux
[03:36] <elky> daniel1234: try saying all your problem in one go.
[03:36] <Cursed_God> daniel1234: im not familiar with samba , use sshfs instead
[03:37] <daniel1234> is there another network connect to with help for samba
[03:37] <thon> Anyone getting this when trying to run Clex on Ubuntu?: Starting CLEX 3.15 Terminating CLEX: Cannot read the keyboard input
[03:38] <elky> daniel1234: the channel #samba is on this network
[03:38] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: Yeah ! It is fast .. on my system the scroll lock function key works to pause the screen .
[03:39] <Bashing-om> CryptoSiD: That function is controlled by /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades .
[03:39] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, so that's what's the lock-scroll is for!!!
[03:39] <potasmic_> .... I don't have it on my keyboard.
[03:40] <Bashing-om> potasmic_: try then ctl+s to "stop" and ctl+o to continue .. maybe ?
[03:40] <potasmic_> Bashing-om, didn't know that, will try.
[03:42] <thon> lock scroll is a legacy function I think
[03:42] <thon> most people don't really need it these days
[03:42] <thon> it was from the early days of windows' command prompt if i'm not mistaken
[03:42] <thon> though, i could be entirely wrong.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> CryptoSiD: Also see : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2246229 - the forum is back up .
[03:43] <thon> *scroll lock
[03:43] <Bashing-om> thon: Still works on my system .. - old mechanical keyboard .. 14.04 install .
[03:44] <thon> This is on a laptop.
[03:45] <thon> so maybe thats why
[03:45] <thon> or it could have something to do with me using i3 on Ubuntu
[03:47] <thon> lemme try to reboot to Unity and see if that helps the situation
[03:47] <xaviergmail> thon: I thought the largest attraction to Ubuntu was Unity
[03:49] <xaviergmail> I never thought anyone cool enough to run a tiling wm would do so on ubuntu
[03:53] <erasmus> how is 4.6?
[03:53] <ROldan> HI
[03:53] <erasmus> high
[03:54] <ROldan> Someone can helpme with two problems please?
[03:55] <ROldan> someone!?
[03:56] <ROldan>  Someone can helpme with two problems please?
[03:56] <Bashing-om> !ask | ROldan
[03:57] <ROldan> oh! sorry
[03:58] <potasmic_> Patience is the key to survive IRC loneliness ;)
[03:58] <potasmic_> (and negligence ;w;)
[03:59] <NotDisliked> I've got issues with Ubuntu 16.04 that I didn't have with 15.10
[03:59] <ROldan> i have some problems with the terminal, when i use it appears to me ""Could not lock the administration directory (/ var / lib / dpkg /), maybe there is some other process using it?""
[04:00] <nchambers> ROldan, well, is another process using it?
[04:00] <potasmic_> lol
[04:00] <ROldan> like what?
[04:00] <nchambers> something that would lock the admin directory
[04:00] <nchambers> apt-get
[04:00] <potasmic_> htop
[04:00] <xangua> Terminal, update manager, software center ROldan
[04:01] <xangua> Software boutique I think it's called now?
[04:01] <ulisses> hi
[04:01] <nchambers> alternatively, the command needs to be run as root
[04:02] <ROldan> im noob with this, i dont know of what r u talking :(
[04:04] <Bashing-om> ROldan: update/package management system .. only 1 process can be active at a given time .
[04:07] <NotDisliked> Okay, having issues with 16.04 that I didn't have at all with 15.10, right now my usb installer won't boot, how do I find a log so I can look for errors
[04:08] <ROldan> : /
[04:08] <Nene1> hello all
[04:08] <Bashing-om> NotDisliked: /var/log/syslog would be where I would look 1st .
[04:09] <ROldan> where i can see it Bashing - om??
[04:09] <Nene1> i am having a problem after applying security updates on my ubuntu 14.04 machine
[04:09] <Bashing-om> ROldan: Processes active ?  terminal command 'ps aux ' for one .
[04:10] <Bashing-om> Nene1: Networking problems .. as in no connectivity ??.. as a guess .
[04:10] <Nene1> after applying patches, /var/run/reboot-required file created so i rebooted the machine... even after rebooting the second time file is still existing
[04:11] <Nene1> what could the the issue??
[04:11] <Nene1> Bashing-om: ^^
[04:12] <r_rios> Hello. So, I was updating my Kubuntu 15.10 installation to 16.04 when the computer froze in the middle of the installation.
[04:12] <Nene1> /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs is showing 6 pkgs and with single reboot all pkgs are not cleared up...
[04:13] <r_rios> So I booted in recovery mode and, after running dpkg --configure -a, I'm running aptitude install -f
[04:13] <daniel56789> can somebody help me i am trying to connect to my file server that i created using samba
[04:13] <daniel56789> i tried the samba chanel but nobody was on
[04:13] <Nene1> so is there any way to apply patches with single reboot???
[04:14] <r_rios> The update process is stalled with the message "usermod: no changes made", or something like that
[04:14] <ROldan> Bashing-om
[04:14] <Bashing-om> Nene1: That is above my skill set also . WQe wait and see what others have to advise .
[04:14] <ROldan> a lot of things apear to me
[04:15] <ROldan> when i use that comand
[04:15] <ROldan> a list
[04:15] <Nene1> ROldan: any help??
[04:16] <r_rios> The same thing happened during the call to dpkg --configure -a, but I Ctrl+C'd it and the process cotinued normally
[04:16] <r_rios> Now, Ctrl+C is not working. Any ideas?
[04:17] <Bashing-om> ROldan: Yeap, as you can see there are thousands of processes active . Now , a explicit question ?
[04:18] <Bashing-om> Nene1: Is the system fully updated ? ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' been run ?
[04:18] <damex> hi, i made live usb using ubuntu live usb creation tool. on uefi system. it create efi bootable USB. it asked for bootloader installation tho~... is there a way i can make it bootable in legacy mode too?
[04:19] <Nene1> Bashing-om: i ran apt-get update, then unattended-upgrades
[04:20] <ROldan> Well im trying to install wine with the terminal, when i use some comands the terminal send to me ...
[04:20] <ROldan> W: chmod 0700 of directory / var / lib / apt / lists / partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted) E: Could not open the lock file "/ var / lib / apt / lists / lock" - open (13: Permission denied) E: Could not lock / var / lib / apt / lists / W: There was a problem decouple /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin file - RemoveCaches (13: Permission denied) W: There was a problem decouple /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin 
[04:21] <ROldan> E: Could not open the lock file "/ var / lib / dpkg / lock" - open (13: Permission denied) E: Could not lock the administration directory (/ var / lib / dpkg /), it is as root?""
[04:21] <NotDisliked_> How do i look at the logs of the live usb, i just opened it up and looked through the files and saw files that looked like thef contained file systems, but nothing just on the regular file system of the usb
[04:21] <Bashing-om> nerbellion: The UU scripts should heave taken care of updates .. check and see for sure if there are any outstanding presently ?
[04:21] <elky> ROldan: did you use sudo with the commands?
[04:22] <NotDisliked_> It's currently freezing on the 5 dots, after picking "try ubuntu first"
[04:23] <ROldan> well not XD, but trying again apear to me ""E: Could not lock / var / lib / apt / lists / lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Could not lock / var / lib / apt / lists / E: Could not lock / var / lib / dpkg / lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Could not lock the administration directory (/ var / lib / dpkg /), maybe there is some other process using it?""
[04:23] <Bashing-om> Nene1: ^^ // nerbellion sorry for the highlights /
[04:25] <elky> ROldan: do you have software center or something like that open while you are trying to use apt-get?
[04:26] <Nene1> Bashing-om: which scripts you want me to check???
[04:28] <ROldan> before i use the terminal, i try to install wine with the ubuntu software but there the instalation was incomplete and  ir remain open
[04:28] <ROldan> it*
[04:28] <Bashing-om> Nene1: If the scrops ran .. and cleaned up afterward .. then in the terminal outputs from ' full-upgrade" will be " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded " . Is this so ?
[04:29] <elky> ROldan: close software center first then try installing with sudo apt-get
[04:30] <ROldan> this is other problem only making a rebot it go close, i dont know why the software center its not serving
[04:31] <ROldan> the instalations dont finish
[04:33] <simpletron> 3
[04:33] <simpletron> ³
[04:34] <elky> ROldan: but software center is closed at this moment?
[04:35] <ROldan> yes, only is open an incomplete instalation of wine
[04:36] <ROldan> that not get moving
[04:37] <elky> ROldan: so if you type "sudo apt-get install -f" what happens?
[04:37] <elky> ROldan: is the incomplete installation in the terminal?
[04:38] <elky> ROldan: use paste.ubuntu.com to tell me what happens
[04:38] <Solarbaby> Help Please.  I can't use udev because it's unavailable due to using a android kernel but I'd like an alternative suggestion for auto detecting that a usb device has been inserted and then running my script.
[04:39] <Solarbaby> I am running Ubuntu 16.04 on top of Android in a chroot.
[04:39] <turinga> Hi, Is it appropriate to ask about installation of a KDE desktop manager on ubuntu 15.10 in here? I'm having difficulties...
[04:39] <elky> turinga: you can ask here but #kubuntu might have people who know better
[04:40] <ROldan> can i tell the problem in spanish, its going to be more easy explin it XD
[04:41] <elky> ROldan: i don't speak spanish so you'll need to find someone else who does, probably in  #ubuntu-es
[04:41] <turinga> Thanks. I have dependency errors. And they appeared after installation. My lap top shut down unexpectedly and the install had issues afterwards.
[04:42] <ROldan> im going to try explin it in inglish, but always in paste.ubuntu?
[04:42] <Kudos_> Can anyone help me with installing unity3d (experimental linux version) the deb package wont install on my 16.04, and I have tried umake (sudo umake games unity3d) and I get the error message "(process:6934): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/home/kudos/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly" and "(process:6934): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot spawn a message bus when setuid"
[04:42] <elky> turinga: are you familiar with command line stuff? try sudo apt-get install -f to see if it fixes what broke when the laptop shut down
[04:42] <turinga> So i used "purge" to remove the plasma-desktop but I would like to know if that really uninstalls an application...
[04:42] <elky> ROldan: paste.ubuntu.com is for pasting terminal output into.
[04:42] <turinga> I shall try that, thanks.
[04:43] <Solarbaby> I guess nobody listening has any alternative suggestions to using udev?
[04:43] <elky> Solarbaby: i don't know what to suggest for a chroot on android
[04:44] <ROldan> that apear to me right?
[04:44] <Solarbaby> elky: what would you suggest for a embeded system?
[04:45] <srikanthp> Hi
[04:46] <Solarbaby> elky: I guess if I had too I could probably do a cronjob every few minutes
[04:47] <elky> Solarbaby: i don't think we have anywhere set up to help for ubuntu in chroots on android.
[04:47] <elky> Solarbaby: you might be better off contacting canonical support if you're trying to make an embedded system for a product
[04:47] <Solarbaby> elky: think of it like ubuntu 16.04 LTS with a really outdated kernel
[04:48] <elky> Solarbaby: that's unsupportable in an end-user support channel i'm afraid.
[04:48] <Solarbaby> elky: I see your point
[04:48] <Solarbaby> elky: well thank you for taking the time
[04:49] <elky> Solarbaby: have a look with /msg alis help and see if there are embedded related channels around
[04:49] <elky> Solarbaby: ##hardware might be able to point you in a useful direction
[04:49] <turinga> no luck, elky. May I send you the output I got. How can I send the output?
[04:49] <elky> turinga: paste.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <Solarbaby> elky: thank you
[04:49] <elky> ROldan: you'd need to tell me a url that your paste is at
[04:53] <turinga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16485349/
[04:54] <ROldan> elky:  i think that now i can resolve that problem
[04:54] <elky> ROldan: yay!
[04:54] <ROldan> elky: thanks, now i have two more problems
[04:56] <RichardWhereat> Does anyone know how to add more scripts to the CharacterMap?
[04:56] <RichardWhereat> Because I know what the Yi script looks like, and it ain't this "꓂"
[04:56] <elky> turinga: can you "sudo apt-get install libkf5kdelibs4support-data" or does that fail too?
[04:58] <elky> RichardWhereat: you might be missing some fonts. i'm not sure which
[04:58] <RichardWhereat> A whole bunch, how do I add more?
[05:00] <NoCode> !info mail-stack-delivery
[05:00] <elky> RichardWhereat: they're available through apt-get, 'font' will be in the package names, but i'm not sure how good the searching is in software center but you can try there too
[05:00]  * NoCode sighs and flies back into his chair
[05:02] <RichardWhereat> It is, sadly, not that great
[05:03] <Kudos_> Can anyone help me with installing unity3d (experimental linux version) the deb package wont install on my 16.04, and I have tried umake (sudo umake games unity3d) and I get the error message "(process:6934): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/home/kudos/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly" and "(process:6934): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot spawn a message bus when setuid"
[05:03] <elky> !info intlfonts
[05:03] <RichardWhereat> the apt-get worked though, thanks
[05:04] <elky> RichardWhereat: you're welcome, have fun.
[05:05] <RichardWhereat> There's also apparently emacs-intl-fonts
[05:06] <Roldan_> elky: The wifi conection also is giving to me some problems, some times dont detect the signals, or its so dificult to conect
[05:06] <th34lch3m1st> hi
[05:06] <lickalott> anyone have or seen issue with menu's showing up on initial log in (16.04)?  I have to consistently log out and log back in to get the menus to show up.  The apps open and work fine but file menus appear.
[05:07] <elky> Roldan_: do other devices have the same problem?
[05:08] <th34lch3m1st> excuse ignorance, I'm partitioning a usb flash memory and gparted creates partitions with root privilege. Is this the default behaviour? (16.04 just installed)
[05:09] <lickalott> th34lch3m1st, i would just do it cli with sudo
[05:09] <Roldan_> elky: not, also the problem happened to me when i used windows 10
[05:10] <suresh> #drupal
[05:11] <suresh> #drupal join
[05:11] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott can you link me an example, please?
[05:13] <Roldan_>  elky: i need to be worried in this case?
[05:14] <lickalott> th34lch3m1st, do you know what the volume is?
[05:14] <elky> Roldan_: if the problem is the access point then there's not much ubuntu can help with
[05:15] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott I assume
[05:15] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott yes
[05:15] <lickalott> if it's mounted, unmount it.  sudo umount /dev/sd??
[05:16] <lickalott> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sd??
[05:16] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott of course I unmount it
[05:16] <Roldan_> elky : r u talking abaut the wifi card?
[05:16] <lickalott> you can also use the disk utility
[05:16] <Roldan_> about*
[05:17] <elky> Roldan_: no by access point i mean router or hotspot
[05:17] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott I got you, but ehy gparted act this way? I'm pretty sure that on 12.04 wasn't acting like this...
[05:17] <th34lch3m1st> *why
[05:18] <lickalott> did you launch it as root?
[05:18] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott it force me to start root
[05:18] <Roldan_> elky : i dont think that can be that, cause the cellphones and other laptops are working good
[05:18] <lickalott> kill it and start it with sudo (sudo gparted)
[05:19] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott now you are saing that gparted can be started eithout root psw?
[05:19] <th34lch3m1st> *without
[05:19] <lickalott> true
[05:19] <elky> Roldan_: but you said it was the same on windows 10 i didn't know about those others. in that case the card is the problem and ubuntu can't change that.
[05:20] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott and why running it from icon should be root executed?
[05:20] <Roldan_> elky : and can i do something to be sure that is the card?
[05:20] <lickalott> did you install it as root?  sounds like a permissions thing.
[05:20] <elky> Roldan_: try a different card
[05:21] <lickalott> i can run mine all day long with my normal user (i installed with sudo)
[05:21] <th34lch3m1st> lickalot installed uding synaptyc
[05:21] <th34lch3m1st> *using
[05:21] <Roldan_> i mean seeing something in the computer, with out make chages for now
[05:22] <Roldan_> elky: i mean seeing something in the computer, with out make chages for now
[05:22] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott so you are tell me that synaptyc has installed gparted with root privileges?
[05:23] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott but not the "user" runnable version...?
[05:23] <lickalott> idk man.  Could be.  If I click the icon it just asks for my sudoers pw.  if I run it comman line with sudo it wants my password.
[05:24] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott I'm getting too hold for this sh**t
[05:24] <lickalott> lol
[05:24] <lickalott> sudo apt-get remove gparted; sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get install gparted
[05:24] <lickalott> copy and paste that.  Should fix things.
[05:24] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott if you csb't trust synaptyc, then whi else you can trust?
[05:25] <akis> hi all. I am trying to install new 16.04 lubuntu and i faced the following issue.  The 'unsafe-swap-space' bug since 12.04 is still here. i try to override it following this http://askubuntu.com/questions/393418/unsafe-swap-space-detected but i cannot open any terminal to give the command sudo swapoff -all. There is a GUI option to open a LXterminal but there is no prompt line to enter the command. Any help?
[05:26] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott thanks for help
[05:27] <lickalott> not a problem man, hope everything works out for you
[05:28] <th34lch3m1st> lickalott thnks have a nice day :)
[05:28] <daniel1234> can somebody help me with a samba question
[05:28] <Mrokii> Hello. I am getting a new hard drive that should replace my current drive (which holds the whole system). What is the best/easiest way to clone my old drive to the new one, so that the new drive contains everything and boots just as the old one?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: whats the old brand hd and new brand like?
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> !samba | daniel1234
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> daniel1234: there is also a #samba channel if you like
[05:29] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure about the old drives' manufacturer at the moment. But the new one is Samsung and they're both SSD drives.
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: wich samsung type is the new one?
[05:30] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: 850 evo
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: ok thats good, perhaps clonezilla or dd clone the drives? will you choose same ubuntu version?
[05:30] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Yes.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> !clone | Mrokii
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> oh nvm that one
[05:31] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Doesn't the cloning copy all the installed apps already?
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: clonezilla or dd, yes
[05:32] <Mrokii> Okay, thanks. I'll give these two a look.
[05:32] <michael_p> anyone had any probs install steam on ubuntu 16
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: another approach would be backing up your packages with aptoncd and make a new clean install of ubuntu, and place packages back after with aptoncd
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: on your new evo, ubuntu install is only 10-15min work
[05:36] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: The problem is that I changed various system files over the years and would probably lose my customisations with a clean install.
[05:36] <Solarbaby> is there no longer hotplug in Ubuntu 16.04?  where does udev get it's information? I thought it used to get it from hotplug?
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: you can also clean install and preserve your /home at install phase, but sure clone will do fine aswell
[05:37] <Mrokii> That's what I'm going to try first. Thank you.
[05:44] <lickalott> anyone got anything on the file menu issue?
[05:44] <[Saint]> Mrokii: random anecdote time - I have very recently got into the habit of checking my dotfiles into a git repository
[05:45] <[Saint]> the large part of setting up my user environment now revolves around checking out a git repo into a clean user instance.
[05:53] <kalenpw> has anyone gotten i3blocks working on ubuntu 14.04
[06:03] <pinPoint> so I just installed php5.6 from ppa:ondrej/php and my mysql client api version is mysqlnd 5.0.11-dev - 20120503
[06:03] <pinPoint> why is it so dated vs php 5.5 which I had before. it was on 5.5 or so
[06:04] <StumpDumb> Does Canonical/Ubuntu track my searches?
[06:04] <xangua> No
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> pinPoint: its recommended to stick to ubuntu package versions, meant specific for your ubuntu version
[06:07] <pinPoint> lotuspsychje: 5.5 is date though
[06:07] <pinPoint> dated*
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !latest | pinPoint
[06:07] <pinPoint> o
[06:07] <pinPoint> ok
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> pinPoint: if you like higher version, try a higher ubuntu version?
[06:12] <wolf911> Hi
[06:12] <wolf911> How can I install WhatsApp on Ubuntu?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> wolf911: try telegram for ubuntu
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> wolf911: there is also a web version of whatsapp on ubuntu-touch
[06:14] <tevin> #json
[06:14] <wolf911> Okay
[06:15] <tevin> #javascript
[06:15] <kalenpw> wolf911: have you followed the askubuntu guide here? http://askubuntu.com/questions/333850/how-to-install-whatsapp
[06:15] <wolf911> Let me see
[06:20] <xangua> Why don't you just use the WhatsApp web?
[06:21] <wolf911> Okay that's most easiest way for me, thanks buddies
[06:23] <TsakNorris> Dang! i know this is ubuntu channel, but does anybody know how to install Linux MINT alternative way (no gui)?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> !mint | TsakNorris
[06:32] <Jordan_U> Solarbaby: This channel can't really help you. Try ##linux .
[06:44] <Rex_Sum_Ego> Anyone have a fix screen flickering when running dual gtx (660) grafic card in sli?
[07:07] <Guest44894> hi
[07:10] <Archeus_> i can see my wifi but can connect to it
[07:10] <Archeus_> wht to do ?
[07:10] <gustav___> The court here in Norrköping, Sweden, EU said it does not have a form for fee waiver on suit application, it also said that I must contact a law firm to get help. Isn't that legal advice? Any way, a law firm costs money so I can't sue.
[07:11] <gustav___> For people <=minimum living standard.
[07:11] <OerHeks> gustav___, ask in #social  or #defocus, this is ubuntu support only
[07:11] <gustav___> I have to give up food for half a month or maybe 12 months to pay for the filing.
[07:11] <gustav___> Oh, sorry.
[07:11] <OerHeks> Archeus_, on what ubuntu version ?
[07:11] <Archeus_> 14.04
[07:12] <Archeus_> 64 bit
[07:13] <OerHeks> Archeus_, and what wifi chip? open terminal: lspci -nn -d ::280
[07:13] <Archeus_> hmm
[07:13] <Archeus_> after pasting "lspci -nn -d ::280" it says invalid device ID
[07:14] <OerHeks> without " " i hope?
[07:15] <OerHeks> or is it an USB wifi?
[07:15] <Archeus_> oh
[07:15] <Archeus_> as my laptops internet aint working
[07:15] <Archeus_> so im using tht USB stick tht recivies wifi
[07:18] <Archeus_> so ?
[07:18] <OerHeks> try " sudo lshw -C network  " >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide/Commands
[07:18] <OerHeks> and paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[07:20] <Archeus_> woah
[07:20] <Archeus_> its very long
[07:20] <Archeus_> so wht after pasting ?
[07:21] <OerHeks> give us the url :-)
[07:21] <Archeus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16486132/
[07:21] <Archeus_> here it is
[07:22] <OerHeks> so it is the 2nd one, 3th is usb
[07:22] <OerHeks> RTL8723BE
[07:23] <Archeus_> hmm
[07:23] <Archeus_> idk ?
[07:23] <OerHeks> Archeus_, some have benefit with building their own driver like this post > http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[07:24] <Archeus_> oh
[07:24] <Archeus_> !!!
[07:24] <Archeus_> thts my problem
[07:24] <Archeus_> i too installed kernel
[07:25] <Archeus_> so follow the first answers all step ?
[07:25] <Archeus_> answer's*
[07:25] <OerHeks> you installed a custom kernel?
[07:25] <Archeus_> ah
[07:25] <Archeus_> i dont about custom
[07:26] <OerHeks> from mainline ppa?
[07:26] <Archeus_> i still dont know about tht
[07:26] <Archeus_> but my version
[07:26] <Archeus_> is 3.19.3
[07:26] <Archeus_> i installed it by watching a video
[07:27] <Archeus_> hmm , this seems to be the command " wget http://tinyurl.com/pzstqcc -0 kernel-3.19.3"
[07:28] <OerHeks> oh, that is really a custom kernel, not really supported here :-(
[07:28] <Archeus_> ah
[07:28] <Archeus_> btw wht does a kernel do ?
[07:28] <OerHeks> hard to say what where how to fix now
[07:28] <Archeus_> nd how to uninstall it ?
[07:28] <OerHeks> kernel is the main file that runs your system, pretty important
[07:28] <Archeus_> opps
[07:29] <Archeus_> ah
[07:29] <OerHeks> !kernel
[07:29] <Archeus_> hmm
[07:29] <OerHeks> boot, hold shift, and choose previous kernel in the menu
[07:29] <OerHeks> then you could uninstall
[07:29] <Archeus_> oh
[07:29] <Archeus_> thx
[07:29] <Archeus_> i gtg now
[07:30] <Archeus_> need to go for classes
[07:30] <OerHeks> succes, have fun!
[07:30] <Archeus_> bye ^^
[07:35] <bjoern_> hi
[07:37] <jose__> !ciao a tutti
[07:37] <jose__> !list
[07:38] <jose__> !list
[07:38] <ducasse> jose__: stop that.
[07:39] <nightfly> openjdk-9-jdk and openjdk-9-jdk-headless conflict on xenial since release. I'm amazed that this bug hasn't been reported/fixed in yet. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820023 http://askubuntu.com/questions/769467/can-not-install-openjdk-9-jdk-because-it-tries-to-overwrite-file-aready-includ
[07:41] <jose__> !ciao a tutti
[07:41] <jose__> !list
[07:43] <jose__> !list
[07:46] <ren0v0> hi, can someone tell me what correct permissions should be for logrotate + nginx  "create" field ?
[07:46] <ren0v0> default is www-data:adm but this doesn't seem to work, i tried setting to "root:root" as logs are initially created however logrotate creates new log with permissions "www-data:root" ??
[08:19] <jose__> !list
[08:20] <jose__> !ciao a tutti
[08:20] <OerHeks> jose__, , you have been asked not to do that, this is no filesharing channel
[08:20] <jose__> !list
[08:23] <anonymous> is there anybody in here?.
[08:24] <OerHeks> anonymous, nope
[08:24] <Guest12958> nice can someone help me?
[08:24] <Opps_HDD> hey
[08:24] <Guest12958> lol lost my nick anonymous
[08:24] <OerHeks> !register
[08:24] <anonymous2208> i got a huge problem the fan is so high in my laptop and im using ubuntu can someone help me?.
[08:25] <anonymous2208> anybody?
[08:25] <anonymous2208> please
[08:25] <anonymous2208> i need it
[08:25] <OerHeks> high fan is better than no fan.
[08:25] <OerHeks> anonymous2208, on your GPU or CPU ?
[08:25] <anonymous2208> both
[08:26] <anonymous2208> its a laptop only got 1 fan
[08:26] <anonymous2208> as i know
[08:26] <OerHeks> !lmsensors
[08:26] <OerHeks> did you install any driver for GPU???
[08:26] <anonymous2208> so how do i install the lm sensorss?
[08:27] <anonymous2208> oerheks no i dont know how to install amd drivers
[08:27] <OerHeks> yeah, why not read there, i don't want to copy
[08:27] <OerHeks> amd drivers.. on 16.04?
[08:27] <anonymous2208> oerheks there are accutlly one driver im using there wass working to amd
[08:27] <anonymous2208> oerheks yes do you know how to get them
[08:28] <OerHeks> no, as the ati driver is dropped until xorg 1.8 comes out.
[08:28] <Opps_HDD> I have a bit of a problem.... I was formatting a hitachi 900 gb drive. It was from a HP 3 par with 520 sectors. I was formatting it to 512, and accidently hit ctrl C and it stopped the format, went back to prompt, then I tried to access the drive, and could not. now it is not visable to an adaptec controller at all, it is visible to an onboard LSI
[08:28] <Opps_HDD> controller, but fatal error cannot access it to do anything.  Any ideas?
[08:28] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Graphics_and_Display
[08:29] <anonymous2208> so oerheks i cant get the fan to go lower? all the other people in the school got low fans
[08:29] <OerHeks> anonymous2208, ^^ see releasenotes, ati works with the open driver
[08:29] <anonymous2208> oerheks! how
[08:29] <OerHeks> i am afraid i have no clue howto do that with the open driver
[08:30] <anonymous2208> what about the lm-sensor how do i install it
[08:30] <OerHeks> anonymous2208, read the url
[08:30] <anonymous2208> cant dont know what it is
[08:30] <OerHeks> if you are too lazy to read, why read here then?
[08:30] <anonymous2208> dude
[08:30] <Opps_HDD> haha
[08:30] <anonymous2208> i said were is the facking url :P
[08:31] <ducasse> anonymous2208: calm down.
[08:31] <anonymous2208> sorry ducasse its just pissing me off this pc is FUCKING SHIT
[08:31] <OerHeks> !language
[08:31] <Opps_HDD> anonymous2208what about the lm-sensor how do i install it
[08:31] <Opps_HDD> anonymous2208what about the lm-sensor how do i install it
[08:31] <Opps_HDD> anonymous2208what about the lm-sensor how do i install it
[08:31] <Opps_HDD> anonymous2208what about the lm-sensor how do i install it
[08:31] <Opps_HDD> opps
[08:32] <Opps_HDD> that was supposed to paste one time...  my bad
[08:32] <ducasse> !lmsensors | anonymous2208
[08:32] <anonymous2208> 1 the tuchpad some times wont go the same way as my fingers it fucks up two the fan is high im in school all the other people got low fan pc'es 3 this pc got another problem cant remember it right now!
[08:32] <Opps_HDD> I just wanna know how to get my drive working again..
[08:33] <OerHeks> Opps_HDD, try to format it again??
[08:34] <TJ-> anonymous2208: sounds like an Acer (which are well known for broken firmware on the motherboard specifically ACPI DSDT)
[08:34] <anonymous2208> so you guys see this pc is pissing me of and the fun fact is it cost relly much
[08:34] <stephanbuys> hi all, how do I determine at what stage (or after what) legacy upstart scripts get run by systemd on 16.04? I want to run a service before NetworkManager (which is still upstart)
[08:34] <k1l> anonymous2208: last warning on the language.
[08:34] <Opps_HDD> cant be seen by adaptec controller after my Ctrl C...  the LSI controller sees it, shows up, but gives fatal error, cannot access, cannot "make good, unconfigured"
[08:35] <anonymous2208> TJ- its a Lenovo pc 3 ghz quad core but the cpu isnt as they promished thhey said it would be 4 mb level 3 cash but i got 8 gb level 2 cash wich makes it slower the cpu makes the ram go down to 800 mhz ONLY and theyre normal 1600 mhz
[08:35] <anonymous2208> i hade lenovo
[08:35] <anonymous2208> K1l sorry
[08:35] <anonymous2208> just cant take it
[08:35] <TJ-> stephanbuys: the systemd units under /lib/systemd/system/ have one for calling such
[08:35] <anonymous2208> they cheated me
[08:37] <anonymous2208> so anyone know about mabe the mouse instead when i pluggin a moouse all the windows cant be moved but if i unplug it im able to move the windows again
[08:37] <anonymous2208> ?
[08:37] <TJ-> anonymous2208: Lenovo are another offender we've seen over the last 9 months. If it's the problem I'm referring to, they tailor the firmware ACPI DSDT to only enable all power and configuration features if it detects a Windows operating system
[08:37] <stephanbuys> TJ-: so the way to go is to disable NetworkManager in upstart and start it via systemd? (At which point I can set dependecies?)
[08:37] <anonymous2208> TJ- what do you mean
[08:38] <anonymous2208> someone told me to do thi i cant remeber who # sensors-detect revision 6284 (2015-05-31 14:00:33 +0200)
[08:38] <anonymous2208> # System: LENOVO 80EC [Lenovo Z50-75] (laptop)
[08:38] <anonymous2208> # Board: LENOVO Lancer 5B3
[08:38] <anonymous2208> # Kernel: 4.4.0-22-generic x86_64
[08:38] <anonymous2208> # Processor: AMD A8-7100 Radeon R5, 8 Compute Cores 4C+4G (21/48/1)
[08:38] <Opps_HDD> you would like my server I'm building, Dual Xeon 2.4Ghz 8 core (16 total) 64 gigs ram, 1000 watt PSU, adaptec 24 port Raid controller. Norcotek 4U 24 SATA/SAS case. over 6 grand, that didn't include any HDD's
[08:39] <TJ-> stephanbuys: that sounds wrong NM has it's own service: "systemctl status NetworkManager.service"
[08:39] <Opps_HDD> then I messed up my one drive and cant install VMware on it because I cant make my raid 6 with my 8 drives, I only have 7 now :(
[08:39] <anonymous2208> well i think i got a break gotta go guys
[08:39] <anonymous2208> i will probaly be back kl 12:00
[08:40] <stephanbuys> TJ-: you're right - I jumped to the wrong conclusion - ok I can take it from here - thanks for the pointer
[08:45] <brunch875> Lenovo only enables power settings when windows is detected? Woah, that's so lame!
[08:45] <neil_> Hi I am trying to access a ipmi interface for an asrock server motherboard, firefox says "A plugin is needed to display this content" ... what should I install
[08:46] <TJ-> grrr, lost connection.
[08:46] <TJ-> stephanbuys: that sounds wrong NM has it's own service: "systemctl status NetworkManager.service"
[08:46] <TJ-> stephanbuys: maybe you're confused because Ubuntu ships both Upstart and SystemD init scripts, but by default boots and uses systemd
[08:46] <TJ-> anonymous2208: ACPI is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, and its an essential core of every PC these days. It does things like enable hardware device power for things like the thermal (fans), CPU clocking, bus controllers (on this PC with Linux it doesn't power on the USB touchscreen device). So we have to make Linux pretend it is Windows to fool the ACPI DSDT.
[08:46] <stephanbuys> TJ-: yeah - got it thanks for the help
[08:50] <Solarbaby> wc 11
[08:50] <neil_> Hi I am trying to access a ipmi interface for an asrock server motherboard, firefox says "A plugin is needed to display this content" ... what should I install  ... I tried openjdk 8 but that didn't seem to work
[08:51] <pierre__> somebody ?
[08:52] <Habbie> pierre__, it doesn't look like you asked a question yet
[08:54] <TJ-> neil_: you'd have to check the IPMI documentation
[08:54] <TJ-> neil_: you could try connecting to outside of a browser, using the Java 'appletviewer' directly
[08:55] <jelly> neil_: you also need icedtea-plugin
[08:56] <jelly> which unfortunately only gets 9 months support because enterprise users don't need java applets
[08:57] <TJ-> jelly: ha! tell that to those with stuff like network KVM that use Java :)
[08:59] <jelly> I shall use the sarcasm interpunction marks next time, if I find any
[09:00] <jelly> (I _only_ ever have a need for java applets at work, for similar stuff)
[09:03] <TJ-> yes, it's very frustrating isn't it - just when you need to do something urgent and it takes 1/2 hour to find a workaround. Like those devices with 'web-based' config that rely on Javascript and fail to work on anything other than IE6 on XP (thank goodness for virtual machines)
[09:03] <sobersabre> hi. are there any per application restrictions on ubuntu ? e.g. if I want to run rsyslog on different port, will the system let me?
[09:04] <sobersabre> let's assume PRE-systemd system....
[09:04] <TJ-> I spent overnight on a remote server that failed to install 16.04 -server in expert mode... lovely bug... fails to mount /dev into the target before trying to update-initramfs ... so cannot find rootfs device, and fails
[09:04] <TJ-> sobersabre: mainly the restrictions in Ubuntu are via AppArmor
[09:06] <TJ-> sobersabre: this is the list of profiles in rsyslog you can check: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16486933/
[09:06] <OerHeks>  there is no standard port for relp, so yes
[09:06] <OerHeks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/rsyslog.conf.5.html
[09:07] <thms> When doing apt-get upgrade, how can I know which version it's gonna install ? Like php5-gd has an update, I'd like to know from which version I'm upgrading from, and to.
[09:07] <OerHeks> thms, you could do a dry-run with -d
[09:08] <thms> OerHeks: thanks
[09:08] <sobersabre> OerHeks: I said PRE-systemd so xenial is not interesting. and I know how to read manpages. I am asking about OS level restrictions. On RHEL systems it's SELinux, on Ubuntu if my bad memory fails me not it's called 'AppArmor"
[09:08] <TJ-> sobersabre: the apparmor profile only differentiates on the dgram/stream level, not individual port, from the look of usr.sbin.rsyslogd
[09:08] <sobersabre> TJ-: there's also the thing of reading/writing files in that profile...
[09:08] <sobersabre> I want to run rsyslogd in a non-root (app specific) user context.
[09:09] <thms> OerHeks: -d is download only not dry run
[09:09] <sobersabre> And I've tried setting it up to run on a TCP port, and the daemon does "boot up", and even shows in netstat as listening.
[09:09] <TJ-> thms: "apt --upgradeable list"
[09:09] <sobersabre> It also creates the log file I'm asking it to, but using logger -n <IP> -P <port> "blabla" renders nothing :(
[09:09] <OerHeks> thms, dang! you are right, apt-get upgrade --dry-run
[09:09] <sobersabre> TJ-: ^^^
[09:10] <TJ-> sobersabre: are you using containers?
[09:10] <thms> TJ-: it's too old to have apt
[09:10] <TJ-> thms: which release is it?
[09:10] <OerHeks> thms, sorry for wasting valuable space :-(
[09:11] <sobersabre> TJ-: not as far as I know (it's 12.04 system, with kernel 3.x, don't think so) is there some kind of apparmor logging I can turn on and see if app armor is blocking me?
[09:11] <TJ-> thms: you could use "apt-get changelog <package>"
[09:11] <TJ-> sobersabre: the apparmor output is to auth.log (I think!)
[09:12] <k1l> thms: "apt-cache policy packagename" will tell what versions will be installed
[09:20] <thms> k1l: tghank you (TJ- and OerHeks too)
[09:22] <Abe_> hello i wrote a little bash script but to make it easier to install ndiswrapper wifi driver, i can't get it to run on "lubuntu" terminal but it works totally fine with ubuntu what's wrong with it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487019/
[09:23] <AlexP11223> Why I can't find find Qt Creator in the software center in 16.04? I think it was there before
[09:24] <TJ-> Abe_: insert "set -x; set -e" after the shebang line and find out
[09:25] <TJ-> AlexP11223: lots of issues with the 'new' Gnome Software' application. "sudo apt install qtcreator" is the alternative
[09:25] <Abe_> ok thank you i will try
[09:25] <Abe_> without quotations right?
[09:26] <TJ-> Abe_: correct. "-x" enable output of each line before its executed. "-e" will stop the script if any command returns a non-zero result
[09:27] <Abe_> ok why does it run on ubuntu without and not on lubuntu?
[09:28] <TJ-> Abe_: debug it and find out
[09:28] <TJ-> Abe_: likely a difference in the shell environment
[09:29] <Aliekezhi> hi, I'm having kernel crashs (kernel oops) with a Macbook Air with 16.04 + nvidia proprietary 340, should I open a bug report ?
[09:29] <jooni> TJ- you're one patient SOB, did that "stacy" get her hotspot up and running yesterday?
[09:29] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: are you able to capture the OOPs stack-trace?
[09:29] <Aliekezhi> I've also not been able to boot without chrooting from a live-USB and removing those drivers
[09:29] <TJ-> jooni: haha! I have no idea, I ran away :p
[09:29] <Abe_> TJ-: yes i figured lubuntu is missing something...
[09:30] <jooni> TJ-: lol
[09:30] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, sadly, I didn't find anything related in kern.log, the xorg.log file looks fine too...
[09:30] <TJ-> Abe_: maybe use "env > /tmp/env.log" in your script on both and compare log files
[09:30] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: does it it cause a kernel Panic and reboot required?
[09:31] <Abe_> TJ-: I am not good at programming xD
[09:32] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, just a crash
[09:33] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, oh I didn't checked well, I found some traces in the logs
[09:34] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: if there's an OOPs it should be fully recorded in kern.log
[09:37] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, https://bpaste.net/show/09b8d40f7374
[09:37] <thabo> 24option.com
[09:39] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: what does "grep NVRM /var/log/kern.log" show?
[09:40] <OerHeks> jooni, he/she did.
[09:40] <OerHeks> jooni, i have given up on that.
[09:41] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, https://bpaste.net/show/aa69c066e89a
[09:42] <jooni> OerHeks: i need to get a life, i was sitting back and watching the convo go around in circles
[09:43] <Abe_> TJ set x just shows everything when executed like every little line
[09:45] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: have you checked that no other driver is loaded, as the mesages suggest?
[09:45] <TJ-> Abe_: yes, so you can trace the exection path and identify where it fails and see what values are being evaluated
[09:45] <jose__> !list
[09:46] <OerHeks> jose__, 3th time .. please do not.
[09:47] <jose__> !ciao
[09:47] <jose__> !list
[09:49] <neil_> Hi I am trying to access a ipmi interface for an asrock server motherboard, firefox says "A plugin is needed to display this content" ... what should I install  ... I tried openjdk 8 but that didn't seem to work
[09:49] <Abe_> maybe but this menu is not showing up.. when everything is cli it does show up
[09:49] <ikonia> neil_: look at what plugin is needed
[09:50] <TJ-> Abe_: then maybe the 'dialog' package isn't there, or the executable is a different one?
[09:50] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, if you want a more complete trace : https://bpaste.net/show/2a59e9174cf0
[09:50] <neil_> ikonia, and how do I do that all I can see is a very uninformative little brick icon
[09:51] <ikonia> neil_: is the ipmi a web interface,
[09:51] <ikonia> or are you trying to force it into a browser
[09:52] <neil_> ikonia, it is a web-interface for monitoring/controlling a server motherboard
[09:52] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: you need to discover if some other driver has claimed the device. "lspci -nnk" should help there
[09:52] <Abe_> It is just this menu this is not showing up in lubuntu http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487277/
[09:52] <TJ-> neil_: did you try my suggestion, to use 'appletviewer' directly?
[09:53] <TJ-> Abe_: try inserting the absolute path to the 'dialog' executable rather than expecting it to be found with a PATH search
[09:53] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, maybe nouveau hasn't been disabled ? I used the menu "additional drivers" and it crashed, even after every reboot
[09:54] <neil_> TJ-, no (sorry) I didn't see any message from you ... but I have no application called appletviewer
[09:55] <OerHeks> !info ipmitool
[09:55] <angel1604lts> hello TJ-  I'm sorry about yesterday, but me and drop the connection,
[09:56] <Abe_> TJ-: How do I know where the path is can't i just install an extra package under lubuntu or something.. or i just rewrite it in cli format xD
[09:56] <TJ-> neil_: Here I see: "readlink -e /usr/bin/appletviewer" => "/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/appletviewer"
[09:56] <TJ-> Abe_: "which dialog"
[09:56] <TJ-> angel1604lts: no problem, it gets us all! did you manage to enable the Bluetooth?
[09:57] <angel1604lts> No TJ-  gime one solution
[09:57] <angel1604lts> please
[09:57] <OerHeks> Abe_, there is ndisgtk, not suitable for you?
[09:57] <OerHeks> !info ndisgtk
[09:58] <Aliekezhi> TJ-, then it would be a bug in the "additionnal driver" tool ? I would still load nouveau + nvidia ?
[09:58] <TJ-> angel1604lts: if the "acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\"Windows 2013\" " didn't work then it looks as if the PC's firmware is just programmed to be anti-Linux
[09:58] <Abe_> OerHeks: No this thing is really buggy xD i write on that just executes the right terminal commands for you basically
[09:59] <OerHeks> Abe_, oke, noted.
[09:59] <TJ-> Aliekezhi: installation of the proprietary nvidia packages should install a blacklist file for nouveau etc under /etc/modprobe.d/
[09:59] <akis> hi all. i installed yesterday xubuntu 16.04. thunar could work with archive plug in normally as did also under 14.04 but today when i tried to archive some files i got the message: Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found. Any help? i read some documantation but i didnt find a solution. any idea?
[10:00] <angel1604lts> TJ-, it seemed that she saw him but at the restart does not see more. So I formatted and if you give me a hand I can try again
[10:01] <TJ-> angel1604lts: it's possibly one of those where booting into Windows enables the device, then doing a warm reboot into Linux the device is still enabled. That's another pointer that the problem is in the ACPI DSDT
[10:02] <Abe_> I'm still kinda frustrated that i doesn't run on lubuntu like it does on ubuntu
[10:02] <angel1604lts> TJ-, then you can not do anything?
[10:03] <deshu> exit
[10:03] <Abe_> this dumb blue dialog box just won't appear somehow !?
[10:03] <TJ-> angel1604lts: no. you've done the one thing that can fix it (acpi_osi). The manufacturer has made the PC deliberately anti-Linux (it only correctly supports Windows)
[10:04] <TJ-> Abe_: dialog is redirecting I/O to /dev/tty - have you tried removing that?
[10:04] <angel1604lts> TJ-, but the same pattern was with suse linux
[10:05] <TJ-> angel1604lts: same pattern? you mean the BT device didn't show up?
[10:05] <OerHeks> angel1604lts, is this a combo chip, bt+wifi?
[10:06] <TJ-> OerHeks: no, separate
[10:07] <TJ-> OerHeks: the device doesn't appear, has no power, from a cold boot
[10:07] <OerHeks> no FN key to activate?
[10:07] <TJ-> OerHeks: as in the kernel doesn't see any hardware at all
[10:07] <TJ-> OerHeks: angel1604lts that's posible - again its down to the ACPI DSDT if hotkey enabling is supported
[10:10] <neil_> TJ-, I can't find out what package to install to get applet-viewer
[10:10] <OerHeks> angel1604lts, just curious, can you paste.ubuntu.com the output of::    uname -a; lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net; lsusb; dmesg | grep -i bluetooth; dmesg | grep -i firmware; lsmod | grep bluetooth
[10:11] <TJ-> neil_: the JDK: "dpkg -S appletviewer" => "openjdk-8-jdk:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/appletviewer"
[10:13] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487577/
[10:14] <DriveByShitpost> LOL U MAD? XD
[10:14] <TJ-> angel1604lts: "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored" suggests you've not got the acpi_osi entries in /etc/default/grub any more
[10:16] <angel1604lts> TJ-, you because I formatted
[10:16] <angel1604lts> sorry yes because I formatted
[10:17] <TJ-> angel1604lts: ahhh, ok, well first step would be to re-add that because it gives the kernel the best shot to pretend to be Windows
[10:17] <MindSpark> I just did an update and lost my shift-insert binding
[10:17] <MindSpark> does anyone know why that happens and how to fix it?
[10:17] <OerHeks> i forgot: rfkill list all
[10:18] <TJ-> angel1604lts: "sudo sed -i 's/^\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)"/\1 acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=\\"Windows 2013\\" "/' /eetc/default/grub  "
[10:18] <TJ-> angel1604lts: then show us "pastebinit /etc/default/grub"
[10:19] <TJ-> OerHeks: there's no rkfill nodes until the device shows up, and that's what's missing here. ACPI DSDT isn't powering on the device, or the bus the device is connected to.
[10:21] <geraudm> o
[10:21] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487644/
[10:22] <Guest76487> test
[10:23] <terencio> ca va
[10:23] <neil_> TJ-, so now I have appletviewer
[10:23] <terencio> ca va
[10:24] <TJ-> angel1604lts: that looks perfect. Now do "sudo update-grub" and then reboot the PC and come back here so we can do more diagnostics
[10:24] <akis> hi all. i installed yesterday xubuntu 16.04. thunar could work with archive plug in normally as did also under 14.04 but today when i tried to archive some files i got the message: Failed to create archive. No suitable archive manager found. Any help? i read some documantation but i didnt find a solution. any idea?
[10:25] <n0had0> hi
[10:25] <angel1604lts> ok TJ-  reboot and come back
[10:27] <n0had0> i've installed a program manually (Arduino IDE) and cant seem to remove it, it says its unable to locate the package. ive tried dpkg --get-selections > list.txt to see if i could find it but again not listed
[10:27] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  I still do not see the BT
[10:28] <MindSpark> anyone? help? how do I revert the non-working shift-insert that I used to use all the time to paste selection
[10:28] <TJ-> angel1604lts: that's fine, but we may be able to find more info. Can you do "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[10:29] <neil_> TJ-, I tried a reboot that didn't help
[10:30] <TJ-> neil_: help to do what?
[10:30] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487727/
[10:31] <n0had0> mindspark: http://askubuntu.com/questions/397972/use-shiftinsert-to-paste-from-clipboard-in-gnome-terminal
[10:32] <MindSpark> n0had0, yes, I found that when I googled
[10:32] <MindSpark> I don't use gnome-terminal though, I use terminator
[10:32] <MindSpark> and it was working fine till an hour ago
[10:33] <MindSpark> so I am wondering if anyone's experienced this after upgrading
[10:33] <neil_> TJ-, get rid of the "A plugin is needed to display the content" ... in firefox
[10:34] <TJ-> neil_: I told you earlier; use appletviewer not the browser
[10:34] <n0had0> maybe this then madspark http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/terminator_config.5.html
[10:35] <neil_> TJ-, I don't know what the URL is
[10:35] <n0had0> mindspark* sorry i myself am waiting for help
[10:35] <neil_> TJ-, or do I use the page URL
[10:36] <TJ-> neil_: read the source in the browser, there'll be an <object> tag most likely with the URL within
[10:36] <neil_> TJ-, ah  .... ok
[10:36] <TJ-> neil_: I've had this same issue accessing network KVMs that use Java... using applet-viewer I find actually much better
[10:40] <angel1604lts> TJ-, your command gave him up with  suo gedit   /var/log/kern.log is fine or not?
[10:42] <TJ-> angel1604lts: I've not given that command... but reading the log carefully right now
[10:44] <TJ-> angel1604lts: first good news line 6253 "May 18 12:26:00 angel1604lts-HP-ProBook-4540s kernel: [    0.127058] ACPI: Added _OSI(Windows 2013)" - so the setting was accepted
[10:45] <TJ-> angel1604lts: but the following "[    0.136359] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored" is concerning
[10:46] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  i have legacy bios now
[10:46] <TJ-> angel1604lts: can you do "pastebinit <( lspci -nn; lsusb )"
[10:47] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487893/
[10:47] <MindSpark> n0had0, yea, thanks, I'll look into it
[10:48] <MindSpark> n0had0, what do you need?
[10:48] <neil_> TJ-, I tracked down the html element that is starting the Java "<applet codebase="/Java/release" archive="JViewer.jar" code="com.ami.kvm.jviewer.WebPreviewer" height...>"  do you understand this.... I don't
[10:48] <n0had0> just how to uninstall a program i installed manually thats not listed in synaptic
[10:48] <n0had0> or when i used dpkg
[10:49] <TJ-> angel1604lts: this may be an issue if the BT device is on the USB3 controller hub: "[    2.551031] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: can't derive routing for PCI INT A"
[10:51] <TJ-> neil_: if I recall correctly you should be able to do "appletviewer http://host/path/to/page.html" for the page containing that applet tag and it will work
[10:51] <angel1604lts> TJ-, I have no USB controller BT
[10:51] <neil_> TJ-, I will try
[10:51] <TJ-> angel1604lts: It's there! "03:00.1 Bluetooth [0d11]: Ralink corp. RT3290 Bluetooth [1814:3298]"
[10:52] <TJ-> angel1604lts: please do "pastebinit <( sudo lspci -nnvvvk -d 1814:3298 )"
[10:54] <neil_> TJ-, I got a "Warning: Can't read AppletViewer properties file: /home/neil/.hotjava/properties Using defaults." then nothing
[10:54] <angel1604lts> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/16487972/
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> n0had0: manually .deb install or ppa added?
[10:55] <n0had0> it was a .tar.gz so...deb?
[10:56] <TJ-> neil_: that's just a warning; it should open a GUI window displaying the applet
[10:57] <TJ-> angel1604lts: right, the BT device is now there but no kernel driver claims it, give me a few minutes to reseaerch this
[10:57] <angel1604lts> ok TJ-
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> n0had0: dpkg --purge packagename perhaps
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> n0had0: dpkg --purge --force-all packagename
[10:59] <TJ-> angel1604lts: see especially comments #3 and #6 in  bug 1355096
[10:59] <neil_> TJ-, syslog doesn't have anything relevant
[10:59] <n0had0> i keep getting 'it isn't installed'
[10:59] <n0had0> im looking at the damn folder though
[11:00] <n0had0> you know what
[11:00] <n0had0> i just found the uninstall.sh
[11:00] <n0had0> im god damn moron
[11:00] <n0had0> im a*
[11:00] <n0had0> thank you kindly
[11:00] <TJ-> neil_: no, all output would be to the terminal. According to "man appletviewer" there's a -debug option that can use the Java debugger (jdb) to investigate problems, but that doesn't sound like it'll help if the applet simply isn't rendered
[11:02] <angel1604lts> TJ-, so I leave so?
[11:02] <Bent0> 2 sata disks in hardware raid 1, use ext4 of btrfs?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> Bent0: btrfs is bit experimental still
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | Bent0
[11:03] <TJ-> angel1604lts: read the comments; especially #6
[11:03] <Bent0> ext4 it is :)
[11:03] <rilleh> xfs?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> !raid > Bent0
[11:07] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  and ubuntu 15o4 and then it's good enough for 1604?
[11:07] <TJ-> angel1604lts: if something was created for 15.04 that means it will be available for later releases. it may need some work, but a year has gone by so maybe someone has packaged it more formally
[11:09] <angel1604lts> TJ-, so I try to install the deb?
[11:11] <TJ-> angel1604lts: you can, or try this github repo code that uses the preferred DKMS system https://github.com/alinefr/rtbth
[11:12] <TJ-> angel1604lts: I'll try building the DKMS here and see how it goes
[11:16] <TJ-> angel1604lts: successful build :)
[11:16] <TJ-> angel1604lts: you want to copy me?
[11:23] <MacroMan> I'm trying to compile libsrtp, but I'm getting 'configure.in:11: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_AR' when running autoconf
[11:23] <MacroMan> Is there a package I'm missing maybe?
[11:24] <TJ-> MacroMan: 'ar'
[11:25] <TJ-> MacroMan: that'd be binutils package; you'll probably need the auto* bunch too
[11:26] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  this is the error that gives me  sudo dkms install rtbth/3.9.4.1 sudo: dkms: command not found
[11:26] <TJ-> angel1604lts: "sudo apt install dkms"
[11:27] <MacroMan> TJ-, I've got the latest binutils. What do you mean by auto*? Things like automake and automake-dev?
[11:28] <TJ-> MacroMan: yeah... you may need autm4te ... or you may just need to do an "autoreconf" in the source dir for ot to regenerate the local links
[11:29] <TJ-> MacroMan: is the libsrtp0 in the archive too old?
[11:29] <MacroMan> Unfortunately yes
[11:29] <MacroMan> I'm building the latest asterisk version and need the latest srtp support
[11:29] <TJ-> MacroMan: yeah.. 16.04 shows the 2013 build
[11:29] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  sudo apt install dkms Can not find the dkms package
[11:30] <MacroMan> I wonder if it needs a newer version of automake actually
[11:30] <TJ-> angel1604lts: angel1604lts it's in the main component. do "apt-cache policy dkms" to check where it should come from
[11:31] <TJ-> !info dkms | angel1604lts
[11:35] <angel1604lts> Sorry TJ- sudo dkms install rtbth/3.9.4.1
[11:35] <angel1604lts> Error! Could not find module source directory.
[11:35] <angel1604lts> Directory: /usr/src/rtbth-3.9.4.1 does not exist.
[11:36] <TJ-> angel1604lts: what instructions are you following? did you install that .deb file ?
[11:37] <angel1604lts> https://github.com/f1u77y/rtbth TJ-
[11:37] <TJ-> angel1604lts: right, but did you clone the git repo to your PC first?
[11:38] <TJ-> angel1604lts: "pushd /usr/src; sudo git clone https://github.com/f1u77y/rtbth.git rtbth-3.9.4.1; sudo dkms install rtbth/3.9.4.1; popd"
[11:42] <Vagelis> Hey guys. I wonder if someone can help me. I downloaded an appimage and even though i gave it axecutable priviliges when i double click on it it says " please run this application as root or admin "
[11:42] <Vagelis> How can i solve this >?
[11:42] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  now reboot?
[11:45] <MacroMan> Vagelis, You have to run it from terminal with sudo
[11:46] <TJ-> angel1604lts: no. check the module is available with "modinfo rtbth" then do "sudo modprobe rtbth" and it should be active. use "hcitool dev" to see if the BT host adapter is found
[11:47] <Vagelis> Macroman, How can i do that ?? cause i'm fairly new to ubuntu etc.
[11:47] <angel1604lts> TJ-,  init complete
[11:47] <Kudos_> Can anyone help me with installing unity3d (experimental linux version) the deb package wont install on my 16.04, and I have tried umake (sudo umake games unity3d) and I get the error message "(process:6934): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/home/kudos/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly" and "(process:6934): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot spawn a message bus when setuid"
[11:48] <TJ-> angel1604lts: is the hci device there now?
[11:48] <angel1604lts> yes 	hci0	BC:85:56:20:D9:9A
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> Kudos_: unity comes by default on ubuntu-desktop, why installing unity?
[11:48] <TJ-> angel1604lts: at last, YAY!
[11:48] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: unity3d is a games development framework and ide
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | Vagelis
[11:49] <angel1604lts> More tanks TJ   and thanks for your great patience
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: oh right too fast
[11:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: hehehe it used to catch me out despite I use unity3d occassionally
[11:49] <TJ-> angel1604lts: glad we got it sorted; I'll add the instructions to that bug report
[11:50] <angel1604lts> Thanks TJ-
[11:51] <Kudos_> Yea, TJ- got it right, I am unsure how to get it working. Anyone know why it isn't installing properly? As it creates the executable file, but will just hang on screen before darkening and going gray, nothing else after that
[11:52] <TJ-> Kudos_: it sounds like the user doing the install, or the user account the installer is using, doesn't have local permission to the user's $HOME... have you by chance accidentally altered the permissions/ownership of the .cache/dconf/user file ?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> Kudos_: there is also a #unity3d channel if you like
[11:53] <Kudos_> TJ- I might have but I am unsure of me doing so, is there a way to check that? And possibly fix it of I have?
[11:53] <TJ-> Kudos_: the crux seems to be "unable to create file '/home/kudos/.cache/dconf/user': Permission denied"
[11:53] <TJ-> Kudos_: try "find $HOME/.cache/dconf -ls" and check the ownership is your user account, and the permissions allow read/write
[11:56] <Kudos_> TJ- I tried the command and I got the following in my terminal
[11:56] <Kudos_>   3146086      4 drwx------   2 root     root         4096 Dec 16 01:33 /home/kudos/.cache/dconf
[11:56] <Kudos_> find: ‘/home/kudos/.cache/dconf’: Permission denied
[11:57] <Vagelis> Guys when i use sudo even though it works i get this message " sudo: unable to resolve host vagelis: Connection timed out "
[11:57] <Vagelis> is there a way to solve it ?
[11:59] <radicate> When I choose to have my computer log in automatically, does it save my password somewhere in an unsecure form allowing any program I have on my computer simply grab it?
[12:00] <jpmh> radicate - how are you logging in?
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> radicate: /etc/shadow is protected
[12:00] <TJ-> Kudos_: that rather suggests you've managed to make that owned by root. what does "sudo find $HOME ! -user $USER" report ?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> radicate: wich program are you affraid it would grab your password?
[12:01] <curly-brace> hello all. how can i download deb repo? how to change this link to feed it ti wget: 'https://content.runescape.com/downloads/ubuntu trusty non-free'
[12:01] <k1l> radicate: no, you need to enter the password for the keyring anyway afterwards
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> !repo | curly-brace
[12:01] <radicate> lotuspsychje: Nothing specific, I just saw the option to log in automatically and wondered how it was technically achieved.
[12:02] <TJ-> radicate: password isn't required. PAM does it: "/etc/pam.d/lightdm:auth    sufficient      pam_succeed_if.so user ingroup nopasswdlogin"
[12:02] <TJ-> radicate: "groups $USER" will include "nopasswdlogin"
[12:04] <Kudos_> TJ-: When I enter the command to my terminal it prints the content of my home directory and all files within recursively
[12:13] <TJ-> Kudos_: right, and they're not owned by your user then, but by maybe root?
[12:13] <knob> Hello everyone.  Last night I installed 16.04 in a new ssd in my workstation.  After installation, I installed (SATA) the old SSD which was encrypted via LUKS.  I tried to uncrypt it, and was successful.  Yet when I tried to mount it, it failed.  I *think*  it is because the old ssd and the new ssd have the same LVM "VG" (Volume Group) name.    If this sounds plausible, can I change the VG Name of a drive, without loosing the data?
[12:13] <TJ-> Kudos_: that command would only list files *not* owned by your current user ($USER) so if you're seeing almost everything listed, you've done something very nasty at some point
[12:14] <Kudos_> TJ-: In the properties of the Home folder, under the Permissions tab it says "Owner: Me" Which is confusing... I suppose to what you say there is no fix?
[12:23] <TJ-> Kudos_: it's the files/dirs under $HOME that are the problem. you can fix it easily with "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME" which will recursively (-R) reset the user:group ownership of everything in $HOME
[12:25] <TJ-> Kudos_: after that there should be no files/dirs listed when you do  "sudo find $HOME ! -user $USER"
[12:28] <Kudos_> TJ-: Did as you suggested and when running "sudo find $HOME ! -user $USER" nothing came up afterwards thank! So this should fix the issue with umake and installing unity3d through it, correct?
[12:33] <pzn> how can I add a new parallel port to ubuntu? Already added the PCI-card, but I'l a little lost, since I never needed to add a parport... just previous experience with "setserial" for extra serial ports... any help?
[12:55] <est31> Hi i want to do traffic shaping using netem
[12:55] <est31> but tc fails on me
[12:55] <est31> with the error RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory
[12:56] <est31> $ cat /boot/config-4.4.0-22-generic  | grep CONFIG_NET_SCHED
[12:56] <est31> CONFIG_NET_SCHED=y
[12:56] <est31> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/NET_SCHED.html
[12:56] <est31> This means netem is enabled in theory, no?
[12:57] <joole> Hi, how to change the name of net interface ??
[12:58] <joole> ubuntu 16.04 can't find the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:00] <est31> It fails even after sudo modprobe sch_netem
[13:00] <est31> hmm ill crosspost to #linux perhaps there is sb over there
[13:00] <MacroMan> What's the mysql package called so I can remove it please?
[13:01] <madghost> Who maybe knows about new version of MySQL 5.7 how I can change bind-address ?
[13:01] <MacroMan> btw, I've tried 'mysql', there is no pacakge called that
[13:01] <est31> MacroMan, what bout mysql-server
[13:01] <madghost> my.cnt is almost empty ((
[13:01] <madghost> just !incluedir
[13:01] <MacroMan> est31, Thanks worked, thank you
[13:02] <joole> How to change the network interface name ??? my system'version is ubuntu 16.04
[13:03] <joole> the eth0 has changed to enx+macaddress,
[13:04] <joole> and there's no file 70-persistent-net.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[13:05] <MacroMan> joole, See the top answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/689070/network-interface-name-changes-after-update-to-15-10-udev-changes
[13:05] <joole> @MacroMan thanks
[13:07] <TJ-> Kudos_: that should fix lots of issues including ones you weren't aware of :)
[13:11] <pabed1> hello guys, I am network administrator and the company which I work in it wants all servers which are base on windows turns to linux , I work with windows server and I have web , file , mail , ftp , proxy , and other servers are base on windows server, also I have a little bit knowledge about linux , can you guys introduce me matrilas such as book , video , and something like that which can help me imediately , there are many books and videos in the net tha
[13:13] <Guest59768> Hey guys. Best way t
[13:14] <Guest59768> Hey guys sorry, Whats the best django-ish way in which to handle paragraphs in textarea fields?
[13:15] <k1l> Guest59768: maybe that question suits better into a django channel? #django
[13:16] <xntht> hi. currently on a 15.10 (unity) and I'm in love with it. Is it worth upgrading to 16.04lts right away?
[13:16] <haasn`web> After apt-get upgrade and reboot, video no longer works inside qemu/virt-manager (completely black screen - even inside SeaBIOS). If I set it to VNC mode, I can see the SeaBIOS but the screen is black once it boots into the guest (windows 7)
[13:16] <haasn`web> Any idea what I can try doing? This is an urgent issue
[13:16] <haasn`web> I want to try rolling back to the previous versions of all these packages, but some are no longer available (e.g. linux kernel 4.2)
[13:16] <compdoc> can you rdp into the widnows guest?
[13:16] <haasn`web> compdoc: No, I can't even ping it
[13:16] <argon__> pabed1: theres a channel for discussion related to ubuntu server over at #ubuntu-server. They might be able to guide you in the right direction
[13:17] <haasn`web> compdoc: It might be stuck in its boot loader though since it was not shut down cleanly
[13:18] <compdoc> how do the guests connect? do you use a seperate nic for them, or do they share the host's nic?
[13:18] <Guest59768> k1l Shit ha sorry wrong tab :P I'm half  asleep.
[13:18] <haasn`web> compdoc: They attach directly to the bridge. I can normally ping them
[13:18] <argon__> pabed1: heres a list of IRC channels you might find helpful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[13:18] <TJ-> pabed1: see https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[13:18] <k1l> xntht: you need to upgrade to 16.04 from april to july. since the support for 15.10 ends in july
[13:19] <haasn`web> In case it's related, I'm using skylake graphics
[13:19] <Kudos_> TJ-: Alright thanks for the help TJ, massive help!
[13:19] <compdoc> haasn`web, well, fixing the network should be easy enough. can you pastebin.com the output of: sudo ifconfig
[13:19] <haasn`web> compdoc: I don't follow. How is "I get a black screen inside qemu" a networking issue?
[13:21] <TJ-> haasn`web: you could 'steal' the qemu-systen-x86_64 command line (using "ps -efly | grep qemu") when virtu-manager has started the guest, and then run that directly from the command-line, and see if you can grab any warnings/errors
[13:23] <haasn`web> TJ-:  I stole the qemu command out of the libvirt log but trying to run it directly just gives me a bunch of errors related to all of the virt-manager sockets not being present
[13:23] <haasn`web> (and I'm not sure how to modify it ,the command line is like 20 lines long)
[13:24] <haasn`web> TJ-: if I `virsh start w7p64` to start the VM and then use `remote-viewer spice://localhost:5900` I just get a blank screen telling me "Connected to graphics server"
[13:25] <haasn`web> Same with virt-viewer
[13:25] <moudhaffer> just testing
[13:25] <moudhaffer> hello everyone
[13:26] <haasn`web> (Going to try something I'll have to disconnect this client but I'll still receive replies directed towards haasn)
[13:33] <haasn> Well, I seem to have fixed it
[13:34] <haasn> I *think* I know what the problem was
[13:34] <haasn> It wasn't broken, but QoS settings on my bridge were applying - causing networking to be ridiculously slow, ergo spice to be constantly black
[13:34] <haasn> I guess I should move those QoS settings off the bridge and onto the physical device?
[13:35] <django__> hey all is there somethng like cyberghost for ubuntu
[13:35] <TJ-> haasn: unusual cause :)
[13:36] <six86> Hello. Did something change in 14.04 or 16.04 regarding preseeding? I'm trying to port a 12.04 autoinstaller to 16.04, but my created iso is not recognized as bootable...
[13:36] <six86> I did port it to 14.04 about two years ago and it worked though...
[13:37] <six86> I'm trying to preseed in initrd
[13:39] <kallo82> Hello
[13:39] <kallo82> i just started to see today a green bar on my screen
[13:39] <kallo82> vertical green bar
[13:39] <kallo82> i tried on different monitors but all the same
[13:39] <kallo82> anyone know how to fix this ?
[13:39] <TJ-> kallo82: that's generally a symptom of a problem with the LCD screen
[13:39] <nicomachus> kallo82: does it show up on a screenshot?
[13:40] <kallo82> ill see
[13:40] <kallo82> nicomachus: no
[13:40] <nicomachus> then it sounds like a hardware issue.
[13:41] <kallo82> nicomachus: thank you so much ill check further
[13:41] <TJ-> kallo82: this is a good read: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2008/01/16/lcd-lines-common-causes
[13:42] <viscrewedo> Hi guys, I screwed up and did something wrong when editing /etc/sudoers. I'm on a chromebook
[13:42] <viscrewedo> how can I undo this?
[13:42] <TJ-> viscrewedo: boot into recovery mode (root)
[13:43] <TJ-> viscrewedo: that is on the boot-loader's "Advanced..." sub-menu
[13:43] <kallo82> i also had this internal error sth called zeitgeist
[13:43] <viscrewedo> TJ- how do I do that in the terminal?
[13:43] <kallo82> whats that ? its the first time it appears ever
[13:44] <TJ-> viscrewedo: reboot the PC as usual, keep pressing Escape (if EFI) or hold down Shift to catch GRUB as it is loaded, which'll give you the boot menu
[13:44] <OerHeks> !info zeitgeist
[13:44] <OerHeks> kallo in kubuntu standard, for logging events
[13:45] <viscrewedo> TJ0 but I'm on a chromebook, I'm not sure how to access what you said
[13:45] <TJ-> viscrewedo: well if you don't we sure don't! it's not hard to press keys at boot-time
[13:46] <viscrewedo> shift esc didn't work on my chromebook
[13:46] <TJ-> viscrewedo: if it's using the GRUB boot loader, GRUB tests for the Escape key being pressed as it loads, and if detected, shows its menu
[13:47] <viscrewedo> TJ- what's the grub boot loader?
[13:47] <TJ-> !grub | viscrewedo
[13:51] <jim> what's the equivalent of packages.debian.org?
[13:52] <OerHeks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:52] <OerHeks> or visit launchpad.net to search
[13:53] <jim> thanks.
[13:57] <viscrewedo> nuts this is terrifying
[13:57] <merced> ?
[14:00] <viscrewedo> merced changed the sudoers file and can't do jack now
[14:00] <merced> oh jeez
[14:00] <kisb> login as root
[14:01] <merced> ^ but through recovery mode
[14:01] <OerHeks> viscrewedo, just boot and hold shift ..
[14:01] <viscrewedo> on a chromebook? how
[14:01] <k1l> viscrewedo: boot to recovery and undo that changes.
[14:01] <merced> ubuntu on a chromebook?
[14:01] <k1l> viscrewedo: choose the recovery on the grub
[14:08] <TJ-> viscrewedo: the chromebook is ARM? not using GRUB, then you have to use the ChromeOS boot manager, I think it's through the Developer mode boot option
[14:14] <enoch> how to clear nodes?
[14:15] <viscrewedo> TJ- correct, ARM v7
[14:16] <zetheroo> when I open gthumb or System Settings it seems that my system stutters - like it's freezing up for a few seconds - and then the app opens
[14:16] <zetheroo> any way to find out why that is?
[14:17] <TJ-> viscrewedo: as Ubuntu doesn't have support for Chromebooks (only third-party installation methods that I'm aware of) its not something we're that familiar with
[14:17] <viscrewedo> nuts
[14:17] <merced> rip
[14:17] <TJ-> zetheroo: possibly some background process, or disk reads, causing waits. May be worth checking /var/log/kern.log for any sign of I/O errors being reported
[14:18] <TJ-> the perils of buying locked-down hardware, or hardware targeted at a single OS
[14:18] <zetheroo> TJ-: but it's only with those two things that it does this
[14:19] <zetheroo> nothing else I open triggers this kind of behaviour
[14:19] <TJ-> zetheroo: as always, check the logs for clues
[14:19] <zetheroo> ok
[14:19] <TJ-> zetheroo: you might also want to look at $HOME/.xsession-errors in case its user-specific. Maybe try logging into the Guest session and see if it happens there too
[14:21] <zetheroo> TJ-: my .xsession-errors file only has two lines in it (and I just opened gthumb before checking the file)
[14:21] <zetheroo> openConnection: connect: No such file or directory
[14:21] <zetheroo> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[14:22] <zetheroo> and my kern.log is empty
[14:23] <TJ-> zetheroo: what ubuntu release is that!?
[14:23] <zetheroo> 16.04 - fresh install
[14:24] <TJ-> zetheroo: kern.log should be receiving kernel messages via rsyslod. You should look at the output of dmesg instead: "dmesg | less" so you an scroll about in it. Press "G" to goto end, "gg" to goto start, and press / to type a search phrase
[14:25] <TJ-> ow my typing is getting bad; sorry for the typos!
[14:26] <zetheroo> I checked dmesg before and noticed some warnings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16492702/
[14:26] <zetheroo> [  457.991992] WARNING: CPU: 3 PID: 1504 at /build/linux-FvcHlK/linux-4.4.0/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_atomic_helper.c:725 drm_atomic_helper_update_legacy_modeset_state+0x241/0x250 [drm_kms_helper]()
[14:27] <merced> omg
[14:27] <merced> that function name
[14:27] <frangemal> lol
[14:27] <frangemal> ubuntu power
[14:27] <zetheroo> are those warnings serious?
[14:28] <frangemal> i think yes
[14:29] <frangemal> is there somebody
[14:29] <DHE> has anyone successfully gotten upstart to boot in 16.04? I did a while ago but now I can't reproduce it. It just hangs during startup
[14:29] <frangemal> ?
[14:30] <k1l> DHE: since 16.04 uses systemd
[14:30] <DHE> yes, but upstart is an option. I plan to use it
[14:32] <OerHeks> DHE, iirc select the "Advanced options for Ubuntu" at the boot prompt when your computer starts. Then, select the "Ubuntu, with Linux ... (upstart)" entry
[14:32] <DHE> OerHeks: no such option
[14:32] <DHE> oh wait, now it's there...
[14:32] <OerHeks> to make it permanent, you'll have to install the upstart-sysv
[14:32] <DHE> but it still hangs on start
[14:33] <DHE> befoer I was adding "init=/sbin/upstart" to the kernel
[14:36] <Amm0n> DHE, last stable release is 4 September 2014 Upstart 1.13.2 , are you sure you want to use software that isn't developed activ?
[14:37] <DHE> Amm0n: if that's the alternative to systemd, then yes
[14:37] <DHE> besides, i don't subscribe to the idea that software needs constant updates. sometimes it's fine as-is
[14:38] <zetheroo> could me having 3 monitors connected to this laptop have something to do with those warnings in dmesg?
[14:40] <zetheroo> it seems this is printed in syslog whenever I open System Settings:
[14:40] <zetheroo> May 18 16:39:29 eab-ux gnome-session[2673]: [14:39:29][void AbstractOnlineStatus::doSecondaryCheck(bool):183] Do secondary online check
[14:40] <iNvIsIbLe_> !gr
[14:41] <SQL> Is it possible to have Ubuntu show the onscreen keyboard on the lock screen / login screen? I have Onboard set to 'on' when typing in text fields, but when I lock, I can't unlock without plugging in a keyboard.
[14:41] <iNvIsIbLe_> fuck all of you
[14:41] <iNvIsIbLe_> linux sucks!!
[14:42] <merced> omglol
[14:43] <SQL> aha! Relogging got it, NVM!
[14:44] <BluesKaj> the language of frustration prevents support every time
[14:47] <dbacc> I"m using Ubuntu 16.04 and i"m trying to read the journal from a previous crash. But apparently sudo journalctl -b1 gives Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found . So where are the logs of previous boots?
[14:47] <k1l> dbacc: look into /var/log/ manually
[14:48] <DHE> wow, I can't even access the upstart wiki
[14:49] <Amm0n> dbacc, journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot, journalctl -b -1 from the previous boot
[14:49] <ducasse> dbacc: you need to create /var/log/journal, or the journal isn't persistent.
[14:50] <dbacc> ducasse: what do I have to do to make it persistent?
[14:50] <dbacc> -b0 works
[14:50] <ducasse> dbacc: i just said.
[14:50] <DHE> well I was able to figure out what the basic problem is. upstart wasn't getting a runlevel indicator
[14:53] <dbacc> ducasse: no you said either ... or ... Is it supposed to be a file or a folder?
[14:53] <dbacc> and why isn"t it created automatically?
[14:54] <ducasse> dbacc: it's a directory. it needs to be owned by group systemd-journal.
[14:55] <dbacc> then let"s see what happens after reboot
[14:59] <Guest19906> hello
[15:00] <Guest19906> i get ubuntu16.04,i 'm very happy
[15:01] <ziz15> Guest19906: :)
[15:01] <OerHeks> !yay | Guest19906
[15:01] <OerHeks> oh
[15:01] <OerHeks> !ysy
[15:02] <jak2000> my network card not bringup at the start/boot, i need do a ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 how to fix it?
[15:04] <pseudonymous> Hey - when I log into my servers I get an overview of updates and a smaller number of security updates - is there  a way to review (and potentially install) *only* those packages ?
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> pseudonymous: its always recommended to install all updates
[15:05] <OerHeks> jak2000, what gives the output of: ip addr
[15:06] <DHE> has anybody successfully booted upstart? I'm hitting a brick wall
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> !usn | pseudonymous see the risks of not being up to date
[15:06] <pseudonymous> lotuspsyche: I know that - but since Ubuntu packages so little software that PPA's are needed then doing a full system upgrade on a production system (with the PPA's in question) is akin to just blowing up the server with C4
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> pseudonymous: we also dont recommend external ppa's mate
[15:07] <segf4ult> Hey guys, I'm trying to set up Avahi to use mDNS. Avahi-browse gives me all the hosts on the domain intended, but then I can't ping or reach the hosts it looks like
[15:07] <pseudonymous> lotuspsyche: yea, we'll revisit that once the supplied server software isn't so old as to be a security problem in itself.
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | pseudonymous can this help perhaps?
[15:08] <Pici> pseudonymous: the unattended-upgrades package can help you install only security updates automatically
[15:09] <pseudonymous> Pici: yea, I came across that, but since there's some external repos in play I'm weary of them reclassifying an upgrade as security and it being installed that way
[15:10] <OerHeks> pseudonymous, you can do a --dry-run before actually updating, or apt --upgradeable list
[15:10] <OerHeks> the rest is manual i guess
[15:10] <pseudonymous> For example - to not run an ancient version of docker, we use their upstream packages. However, docker just did a regular upgrade whereby they swapped from upstart to systemd and (in the process) now ignore the daemon config file in /etc/default/docker - meaning anyone who rely on certain options would see their server malfunction.
[15:12] <pseudonymous> That's, obviously, a case in favour of using the distro-supplied packages. But anyone running docker or marathon on a production 14.04 system would not use the standard (ancient) docker package, it's just not a feasible stance.
[15:12] <yogesh> tell me command for register nick?
[15:12] <OerHeks> !register
[15:13] <pseudonymous> yogesh: you need to talk to the "nickserv" bot. (/msg nickserv) -- scroll over to the conversation with it and ask for help :)
[15:13] <argon__> ./NickServ identify [name] [password]
[15:13] <yogesh> thnx pseudo
[15:13] <argon__> sorry, msg bbeore Nickserv
[15:15] <OgionNJ> I got a DNS problem on 16.04: I'm vpned into work and hostnames on far side of vpn start out resolving OK, but after a few minutes, those hosts don't resolve anymore
[15:15] <OgionNJ> The Connect Information dialog shows all the right settings for eth, tun and vpn.
[15:15] <OgionNJ> Any ideas what I can do or what I can check to figure out what's going on?
[15:16] <niee> hi. some one to help me. i want to install Viber to my Ubuntu 11.04 x32.
[15:16] <nicomachus> niee: 11.04?
[15:16] <ikonia> 11.04 is dead
[15:17] <niee> nicomachus: yes.
[15:17] <Pici> Support ended in 2012...
[15:18] <k1l> niee: "lsb_release -d" gives you the exact version number
[15:18] <niee> (niee@niee)(~)>lsb_release -d
[15:18] <niee> Description:	Ubuntu 11.04
[15:18] <ducasse> niee: you seriously need to upgrade.
[15:18] <k1l> ok. like the others told you 11.04 is dead since 2012. i suggest to make a new install of 14.04 or 16.04.
[15:19] <nicomachus> niee: ok. first step to installing viber: install a supported release of Ubuntu.
[15:19] <Guest19906> 请问一下大咖们，怎样确定在终端中通过输入命令下载程序后的默认路径？
[15:20] <k1l> !cn | Guest19906
[15:20] <TJ-> pseudonymous: you could pin the 3rd party packages, or change the allowed origins for unattended-upgrades by fixing the origin server with e.g. "Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins { "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ${distro_codename}-security"; };"
[15:21] <OerHeks> niee, i think it is NOT possible, only 64 bit clients https://www.viber.com/en/products/linux
[15:21] <TJ-> OgionNJ: sounds like NetworkManager and its local dnsmasq are changing the upstream DNS entries. check /var/log/syslog for clues
[15:21] <OgionNJ> OK Will do
[15:24] <OgionNJ> I see dnsmasq setting up the correct servers. two from work and my local.
[15:25] <OgionNJ> but I don't see where it's changing back.
[15:35] <francisco> hello guys
[15:36] <argon__> hi
[15:37] <DHE> still need help getting upstart to work. if I manually run "telinit 3" outside of normal boot I get terminals, (abusing rescue mode here) but otherwise it just hangs shortly after boot
[15:38] <ikonia> DHE: what version of ubuntu
[15:38] <ikonia> and why are you running init 3 ?
[15:38] <ikonia> init is totally different level wise with upstart, it all runs under 2
[15:38] <curlyears> ikonia
[15:38] <ikonia> curlyears: what ?
[15:39] <curlyears> just acknowleding you presence, and paying respect
[15:39] <DHE> ikonia: 16.04. and I'm running "telinit 3" as a means of troubleshooting to guide me towards what's wrong
[15:39] <ikonia> DHE: 16.04 uses systemd not upstart
[15:39] <DHE> ikonia: `apt-get install upstart` works and you get a boot target that supports upstart. Once upstart is actually running you can `apt-get remove systemd`
[15:40] <ikonia> DHE: changing run levels to 3 is not really going to help you debug anything as it all runs under "2" now, even less so with systemd
[15:40] <ikonia> DHE: you can not just remove systemd
[15:40] <DHE> yes you can
[15:40] <ikonia> no, you can't
[15:41] <DHE> umm.. I disagree. `apt-get remove systemd` worked and the systemd grub entry doesn't work anymore
[15:41] <ikonia> there is more to systemd than init
[15:41] <ikonia> if you think thats enough for you - then carry on,
[15:41] <DHE> it is
[15:42] <DHE> but upstart is only half booting. seems to be failing to launch some job that's necessary for full bootup. `telinit 3` or `2` does kick it the rest of the way
[15:42] <Guest87676> hi guys. where is the right place to file a bug/crash? my system logs out when i open a specific png with eog
[15:42] <DJones> !bug | Guest87676
[15:42] <Guest87676> thank you :)
[15:43] <curlyears> DHE:  he didn't mean "you can't" in the literal, it is physically impossible to remove systemd.  He meant youo can't just remobve it and expect your system to operate correctly.  Your description of what happened after you removed it supports that position
[15:43] <nacc> DHE: is it possible you need to follow: http://askubuntu.com/questions/760615/ubuntu-16-04lts-does-not-boot-after-package-upstart-sysv-is-installed ?
[15:43] <nacc> DHE: and/or just use systemd as the default?
[15:44] <DHE> nacc: can't. systemd as an init system breaks a lot of things I do.
[15:45] <nicomachus> like what?
[15:45] <nacc> DHE: sounds more like "won't" :) I trust you've thought this through and are willing to accept a tremendous amount of overhead to maintain your system
[15:45] <ikonia> systemd will not break an init
[15:45] <nicomachus> you should probably adapt those things to systemd instead of trying to do surgery on your system.
[15:45] <nacc> DHE: in all honesty, if you really "need" upstart -- just stay on trusty?
[15:45] <DHE> as for the askubuntu thing, I did see it. first google result. I did rebuild the initramfs
[15:45] <ikonia> systemd is controlling every major distro now, so the sooner you accept it the better
[15:45] <curlyears> DHE:  which leads one to wonder if a lot of the tings you're doing shouldn't be being done at all *evil grin*
[15:47] <niee> ducasse: ok. may be next year :0
[15:47] <niee> nicomachus: OerHeks ok. tnx for help.
[15:47] <DHE> nacc: unless a lot has changed since I last used systemd, it does not run in an unprivileged container. at all. right now I have a semi-broken centos 7 system because journald got broke and I can't fix it short of rebooting.
[15:47] <segf4ult> Does anyone here have experience with Avahi??
[15:48] <DHE> so yes, systemd as an init system needs to be removed
[15:48] <nimu> hiii
[15:48] <nacc> DHE: you're running Ubuntu, etc. in containers? (sorry lacking context)
[15:48] <DHE> I will be. right now I'm starting with KVM while I test aspects of it, etc
[15:49] <nacc> DHE: per LP: #1346734, it seems like maybe it does work now with lxc?
[15:49] <nacc> or is that hte other way around, hmmm
[15:50] <nimu> hey guys can anybody help me with mounting drives in ubuntu
[15:50] <nimu> !!!!!
[15:50] <nacc> DHE: or maybe https://github.com/lxc/lxc/issues/663 ?
[15:50] <sipior> nimu: generally easier if you just ask your question directly
[15:51] <nimu> i cant access my drives in ubuntu
[15:51] <DHE> maybe they finally fixed it, but I'll bet it never makes it into centos 7
[15:52] <nicanaca0> nimu, what kind of drives/partitions?
[15:52] <nacc> DHE: that does presume  you are using lxc as the container layer; docker seems to claim something similar
[15:52] <compdoc> nimu, open the Disk utility and see if the drives appear
[15:52] <nacc> DHE: not sure why CentOS is relevant in an #ubuntu support channel (lacking further context)
[15:52] <nimu> NTFS @nicanaca0
[15:52] <nacc> DHE: is CentOS your container host?
[15:52] <DHE> nacc: broadly speaking Docker is intened for containerizing apps, while LXC is intended for containerizing whole distros
[15:52] <TJ-> nacc: systemd-init works fine in an unprivileged LXC recently at least (last 12 months or so)
[15:52] <nacc> TJ-: ack, that's what i'm seeing too
[15:53] <nimu> where can i find disk utility???
[15:53] <DHE> nacc: currently, yes. it's also where I first tried systemd. it was awful. and I suspect not changing
[15:53] <nicomachus> DHE: this is not CentOS support...
[15:53] <DHE> clearly
[15:53] <nimu> !!!??
[15:53] <DHE> sorry, I'm trying to do a dozen things right now. probably affects my coherency
[15:54] <nicomachus> nimu: open the Dash and search for "disks"
[15:54] <nillawafer> nimu: it is installed on Ubuntu by default. open the dash and start typing 'disk' and it should appear
[15:54] <nacc> DHE: I understand both technologies, I don't think that's quite accurate, but sure; however, I'm struggling to see the problem. While upstart usage is "possible" in 16.04, it's not recommended. And if the reason to use upstart in  your 16.04 in a container is because your container host doesn't support running systemd in an unprivileged container, that seems to be a container host issue?
[15:54] <nimu> okiee
[15:55] <DHE> nacc: it's not quite that easy. LXC can't make the kernel behave certain ways. this is why I'm hoping systemd has changed if I'm absolutely forced down that road
[15:56] <nacc> DHE: sorry, that was too hand-wavy for me. What is the exact issue you have with running stock Ubuntu?
[15:56] <DHE> nacc: well, at the risk of starting a flame war, I'm very much a systemd hater. when I saw 16.04 ships upstart (not standard, but available) I went straight for it
[15:58] <curlyears> \/me shakes head slowly
[15:58] <nacc> DHE: I hate libreoffice. I still use it :)
[15:58]  * DHE will not start a flame war today
[15:58] <DHE> (if I can help it)
[15:58] <merced> too late
[15:58] <TJ-> systemd can but the kibosh on some things we're used to doing, such as starting a service inside a chroot
[15:58] <merced> what's wrong with libre?
[15:59] <TJ-> s/but/put/
[15:59] <nacc> DHE: i understand the hate of systemd, but your issue is simply systemd's existence?
[15:59] <nacc> merced: irrelevant here, was just an example
[15:59] <curlyears> I hate *ALL* "?Office productivity suites,"  but I still use them when I need something dobne, rather than trying to force some other utility to do something it was not designed to
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[15:59] <ducasse> curlyears: LaTeX ftw! ;)
[16:00] <embrik> how do I use mv to rename alle files from 101.ogg 102.ogg 103.ogg ....... to 001.ogg 002.ogg?
[16:00]  * curlyears sighs at ducasse
[16:00] <nacc> embrik: use rename, not mv
[16:01] <TJ-> embrik: you don't; use "rename", but for renumbering you likely need a shell script fragment that loops over the file list
[16:01]  * curlyears isn't evwen sure what systemd does, since there are no man or info paages for it
[16:01] <TJ-> curlyears: you what? it's the most well documented init system I've seen
[16:02] <ducasse> curlyears: 'apropos systemd'?
[16:02] <embrik> nacc: OK - but I remember back in the old days when I was i linux-user, I typed some commands and renamed a whole folder with files, with one lline
[16:02] <curlyears> TJ-:  documented WHERE?
[16:02] <nacc> curlyears: there is absolutely a manpage
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[16:03] <curlyears> like I said, man systemd and info systemd yield nothing
[16:03] <TJ-> curlyears: "dpkg -S '/usr/share/man*/systemd*' | wc -l" => 143
[16:03] <curlyears> \fo I need systemd on 14/04/4?
[16:03] <curlyears> 14.04.4
[16:03] <nacc> curlyears: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[16:03] <nacc> curlyears: that's using upstart still, so maybe the manpage doesn't exist there
[16:04] <embrik> exit
[16:04] <antonispgs> how can i see if i have packages installed from specific ppa repositories?
[16:04] <nacc> embrik: could probably do it with find and other tools ...
[16:04] <curlyears> nacc:   OK, so what exectly *IS* systemd?
[16:04] <nacc> curlyears: --^ what ubottu said?
[16:05] <nacc> curlyears: it's an init system
[16:05] <nacc> curlyears: well, in some sense it's broader than that, it happens to be an init system when running as pid 1
[16:05] <Archeus_> hey
[16:05] <DHE> it's more than that. it's a whole bunch of software that manages your OS. a logger, a login manager, a cgroup manager, and so on and so forth
[16:05] <Archeus_> i wanted to know how to install packages ?
[16:06] <nacc> !apt | Archeus_
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Archeus_: wich ubuntu version?
[16:06] <Archeus_> 14.04
[16:06] <Archeus_> i need to install
[16:06] <Archeus_> ia32-libs
[16:06] <Archeus_> lib32nss-mdns
[16:06] <curlyears> I see.   I was afk when that scolled by.
[16:06] <Archeus_> nd i also need to check if they r present or not
[16:06] <pimate> Hello eveyone, I am trying to install ubuntu on a laptop with no built-in screen, I am using the VGA port instead. the hard drive is empty. what should I do? I triedflashing the hard drive with ubuntu but as I power it nothing happens. would you shed some light on it?
[16:06] <nacc> Archeus_: ia32-libs hasn't been present since 12.04
[16:07] <Archeus_> ah
[16:07] <Archeus_> i need to install a game
[16:07] <curlyears> this system excists to allow m e to run an open-source 3D graphics package, and use the output to drive my 3D printer
[16:07] <argon__> Archeus use mlocate
[16:07] <Archeus_> nd whts tht ?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> pimate: can you Fn + F5 to see the external screen?
[16:08] <argon__> a tool to check for files on your system
[16:08] <Archeus_> oh
[16:08] <argon__> I think it might be installed by default with ubuntu. Use it like: locate lib32.dll in cli
[16:08] <Archeus_> i dont thnk its installed
[16:08] <Archeus_> oh
[16:09] <Archeus_> w8 whts cli ?
[16:09] <merced> commandlineinterface
[16:09] <nacc> argon__: ia32-libs is definitely not installed by default
[16:09] <nchambers> command line interface
[16:09] <pimate> lotuspsychje: I could try, I forgot to mention that the keyboard is plugged via USB. I am turning this old laptop into a desktop if I can
[16:09] <nacc> argon__: it's not even present in all but precise amongst current supported Ubuntu
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> pimate: make an ubuntu usb, enter bios,set usb as first boot and Fn + screen change F button
[16:10] <Archeus_> u mean terminal ?
[16:10] <argon__> nacc: Oh, okay :)
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> pimate: surely possible
[16:10] <argon__> Archeus_: Yeah, terminal
[16:10] <nacc> Archeus_: why do you think you need those packages?
[16:10] <Archeus_> oh k
[16:10] <TJ-> pimate: are you able to view the laptop's BIOS setup screens?
[16:10] <Archeus_> to install a game
[16:11] <Archeus_> known as savage XR
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> pimate: for older laptops perhaps lubuntu or xubuntu and if you cant load up an usb as first boot, try 'plop boot manager' on a cdrom to force usb install
[16:11] <nacc> Archeus_: and is that a pacakged game, or from source?
[16:12] <nacc> Archeus_: their website has a tutorial: http://www.newerth.com/smf/index.php?topic=17598.0;wap2
[16:12] <Archeus_> hmm
[16:12] <Archeus_> i thnk its source
[16:13] <curlyears> I dunno...my video is more than fast enough for my aapplications, and it is certainly high enough in resolution
[16:13] <nacc> Archeus_: follow that tutorial, and if you have issues, you'll probably need to contact the game forums
[16:13] <nacc> curlyears: ECHAN?
[16:13] <Archeus_> nd im follwing tht tutorial only
[16:13] <curlyears> nacc?
[16:14] <Archeus_> but some things are missing
[16:14] <nacc> curlyears: i'm not sure what you are saying, or who you are saying it to...
[16:14] <nacc> Archeus_: such as?
[16:14] <Archeus_> hmm
[16:14] <argon__> Archeus_: It says explicitly that you have to install the libs yourself if your on Ubuntu
[16:14] <Archeus_> let me tell u in a bit later
[16:14] <Archeus_> brb
[16:15] <curlyears> oh, just rambling about "gamers" who seem to need video resolutions and speeds that are beyond the ability of human senses to deal with
[16:15] <Archeus_> let me try tht tutorial again
[16:15] <nacc> curlyears: right ... so #offtopic :)
[16:15] <curlyears> nacc   you're right )-:
[16:15] <TJ-> pimate: best way to install is to use another PC that has reliable monitor. Attach the disk externally via a caddy or esata etc., then install to it via a virtual machine that has that external disk as its storage device
[16:15] <merced> is that a hashtag or a channel?
[16:16] <nacc> merced: it's #ubuntu-offtopic, iirc
[16:16] <nacc> merced: but I don't want to type that everytime :)
[16:16] <merced> :p
[16:16] <curlyears> merced:   #ubuntu-offtopic is another , related channel
[16:18] <tertiary> is there a way to add a local deb package to apt so it downloads dependencies? I dont like the dpkg + apt-get -f approach, nor gdebi...
[16:19] <tgm4883> tertiary: I believe you can just 'sudo apt install debname'
[16:19] <tgm4883> I'm not sure if there is a flag or not
[16:20] <tertiary> tgm4883: didnt know that, ill give it a shot
[16:20] <pimate> TJ: not yet. I am preparing a USB pendrive as we speak and I reaconnected the original keyboard. I will give it a stab
[16:27] <Blix> hello
[16:28] <Blix> is this the place to ask questions about wine?
[16:28] <segf4ult> This is an Ubuntu support channel ^^
[16:29] <merced> #winehq
[16:29] <segf4ult> Blix: you might want to try #winehq for direct wine support :)
[16:29] <Blix> ok, thanks
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Blix: or if its ubuntu related, ask the details here
[16:31] <pimate> Fn + F5 doesnt seem to do much. screen still blinks and doesnt find a source. It could be that the built in keyboard has been damaged or the whole laptop is not working. could I install kubuntu on the HD from RPi?
[16:31] <Blix> well, winehq doesn't seem very active
[16:32] <foenix> hey all. What's the best place to report issues with the AMD open source drivers? LightWorks does not work in 16.04
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> pimate: could be another key also, Fn+ the one with 2 square screens on
[16:32] <tgm4883> Blix: are you running ubuntu?
[16:32] <Blix> Yes
[16:32] <boogelloo> hi
[16:33] <tgm4883> Blix: you can try here, winehq would be the better channel though
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> pimate: can you branch another keyboard on it or so?
[16:33] <Blix> I asked winehq, it's been 10 minutes
[16:33] <boogelloo> my son has born son
[16:33] <Blix> no response
[16:34] <tgm4883> Blix: As I said, you can try here but nobody may know the answer
[16:34] <merced> for app compat you should just look at the winehq db
[16:34] <merced> that's all anyones gonna do for your issue anyway
[16:35] <tgm4883> merced: well that would depend on the issue
[16:35] <Blix> Okay, so I have installed wine (Ver. 1.8) and I'm using it to install Cursechat. When I attempt to install it grays out and stops responding.
[16:35] <xangua> !appdb | Blix
[16:37] <tgm4883> Blix: assuming you are installing 6.x, that seems to be what everyone is getting
[16:37] <pimate> lotuspsychje: F5 has two square screens on and F6 has two square screens with and arrow and a light simbol. both dont work. I can try with a usb keyboard. but it lacks the Fn key
[16:37] <Blix> So, currently this is no solution?
[16:37] <Blix> tgm4883,
[16:37] <tgm4883> Blix: doesn't appear to be
[16:38] <Blix> Okay, at least it's not me
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> If I want to ssh  into a livecd box, why can't I do that?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> the ubuntu user doesn't have a password?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> do I just have to copy my key there?
[16:41] <nacc> svm_invictvs: is ssh server installed?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> It's installed up and running
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> ssh localhost works, but it promps for a password
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> And no password works
[16:42] <svm_invictvs> I need to set the ubuntu user's password, but i just get an error
[16:42] <snckrs> hey :D I wanted to install a package from a ppa which is for an older ubuntu version, how do I do that?
[16:43] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: out of curriosity, why do you want to ssh to a live session?
[16:43] <nacc> svm_invictvs: by default hte ubuntu user has no password, iirc, which is probably not allowed by ssh
[16:43] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 Because I dont' want to sit by the server rack to un fux this server
[16:43] <tgm4883> fair enough
[16:44] <svm_invictvs> THere's no chair there, and I need to be able to look stuff up while I work on it
[16:44] <nacc> svm_invictvs: so you can probably `passwd` the ubuntu user; or create a new one using sudo
[16:45] <svm_invictvs> passwd fails every time
[16:46] <nacc> svm_invictvs: `sudo passwd ubuntu`, maybe
[16:46] <dbernardo> hello, newbie question, I tried to join raspberry pi chat group and got this:  #raspberrypi :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[16:46] <dbernardo> what does that mean?
[16:46] <camroncade> Hi, I'm trying to have a bash script run every time a flash drive is plugged in, provided a specific file exists on the flash drive. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
[16:47] <snckrs> dbernardo, probably you need to register on the network
[16:47] <nacc> !identify | dbernardo
[16:47] <dbernardo> thanks, i will try that
[16:47] <nacc> snckrs: so a package is in a ppa for a version X and you want to install it for version Y?
[16:48] <snckrs> nacc, exactly. The package is for version 15.04, but im  on version 16.04. apt-get just says "unable to find package"
[16:48] <nacc> snckrs: contact the ppa owner?
[16:48] <camroncade> I'm trying to have a bash script run every time a flash drive is plugged in, provided a specific file exists on the flash drive. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
[16:48] <nacc> snckrs: or you can try creating your own ppa and publish your own, but then ymmv
[16:48] <nacc> !patience | camroncade
[16:49] <camroncade> nacc gotcha I'll wait
[16:49] <nacc> camroncade: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25071/how-to-run-a-script-when-a-specific-flash-drive-is-mounted
[16:49] <nacc> camroncade: udev is what you want, iiuc
[16:49] <camroncade> thanks
[16:50] <Masonn> I've been an idiot and purged my nvidia drivers
[16:50] <Masonn> how do i find out which nvdia-xxx i need to install?
[16:50] <snckrs> nacc, ymmv?
[16:51] <squinty> your milage might vary
[16:51] <nacc> snckrs: which is generally true for all PPA versions :)
[16:51] <fenix_peregrino> guys what channel for Android do you recommend? :)
[16:52] <snckrs> I just want to install that package, do I really have to create an own ppa for that?!
[16:52] <squinty> !alis | fenix_peregrino
[16:52] <svm_invictvs> Can't set the ubuntu user's password, but sure cna set the root user's password using sudo then login via SSH
[16:52] <svm_invictvs> This is probably insecure.
[16:52] <fenix_peregrino> Thanks guys1
[16:52] <fenix_peregrino> *!
[16:52] <nacc> snckrs: there is presumably a reason the ppa owner hasn't publisehd for the current release
[16:53] <snckrs> nacc, yes, the reason is, he is in the  army
[16:53] <nacc> snckrs: eitehr the ppa is unmaintained (so probably you shouldn't be using it), or they don't currently support 16.04
[16:54] <snckrs> okay so in other words, there is no way to download the package, and run a console command to build it?
[16:54] <tgm4883> snckrs: well yes, you could try to do that. Trying to build it on your own PPA is probably easier though
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: that's what a PPA helps you avoid doing on your system
[16:55] <tgm4883> both cases don't guarentee any success
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: but there's *no* guarantee it will correctly build in 16.04, just because it built in 15.04
[16:55] <snckrs> Wellp, I wanna try it nevertheless, how do I do it?
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: what's the package/ppa ?
[16:56] <snckrs> nacc, https://launchpad.net/~rilian-la-te/+archive/ubuntu/vala-panel
[16:56] <Azus> installer etcher sous ubuntu 14.04
[16:56] <tgm4883> snckrs: once you've created your own PPA, you can copy the package there for 16.04 and have it attempt rebuilding https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Copying
[16:56] <Azus> avec appimage comment faire
[16:56] <nacc> !fr | Azus
[16:57] <Masonn> If someone could help me I'd be very grateful, I've purged my Nvidia drivers and don't know how to reinstall the correct ones. My problem is I don't know how to find out which drivers I need. I've tried nvidia-360 but it didn't work :( , How do I know which Nvidia-xxx to download?? thanks
[16:59] <Tin_man> Masonn, try this link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/619864/ubuntu-has-a-heavily-pixelated-screen-when-i-try-to-use-it
[17:02] <snckrs> tgm4883, I am trying to copy  it, but the copy page can't find the package, what am I doing wrong?
[17:02] <tgm4883> snckrs: are you doing the copying from their PPA (not yours)
[17:02] <snckrs> tgm4883, oh never mind, I just went on his ppa page  and found the "copy ppa" button :)
[17:03] <skinux> Is there a way to get Unity launch panel at the bottom of the screen without upgrading to the latest version? AFAIK release isn't out for me for another two months.
[17:04] <snckrs> skinux, just use unity tweak tool
[17:07] <snckrs> Aw man, I accidently chose to build for the same series, and then deleted it, now I can't copy it again because it always says there is already a package with the same version building in another series. How long does it take until that works again? :/
[17:12] <snckrs> i've got another question. In Unity in the menu-bar the appnames always get faded out if they are too long if the menu is shown, How can I prevent that? So that the menu is moved to the right so the appname has ennough space?
[17:17] <tgm4883> snckrs: You'd have to wait until it finishes building, then tell it to delete the package, then wait for it to actually delete (Not sure how often the job runs for that, you might ask in #launchpad )
[17:18] <snckrs> tgm4883, yeah It's already buildinng :) actually  it just finished, both successful! yay
[17:18] <tgm4883> snckrs: well that doesn't say much, you did build it for the same series
[17:18] <snckrs> tgm4883, nope, I built it for xenial
[17:19] <tgm4883> snckrs: ok cool, so then you can test it now
[17:19] <compdoc> to change a host's name, I just need to modify /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ? anything else?
[17:19] <Evan> Hey guys. I'm running ubuntu 16.04. How do I manually convert a planted password into something i can add to /etc/shadow ?
[17:20] <Evan> plaintext*
[17:20] <nacc> Evan: you should not bemanually manipulating /etc/shadow generally
[17:20] <snckrs> I tried to add my own ppa but it said "Error: signing key fingerprint does not exist
[17:20] <snckrs> "
[17:21] <Evan> I'm not anualy editing it, I'm doing i through puppet, which takes a password hash
[17:21] <tgm4883> Evan, one sec
[17:23] <toomanyerrors> what is the keyboard shortcut to display all keyboard shortcuts.
[17:24] <tgm4883> Evan: if it's going to be on all the boxes, then usually I just add it manually to the puppet server box and then copy it out of shadow. If it's for specific boxes, I run this             python -c "import crypt, getpass, pwd; print crypt.crypt('YourPassword', 'saltysaltsalt')"
[17:25] <xangua> toomanyerrors: hold super key
[17:25] <Evan> tgm4883: i was able to do with with openssl , but thank you!
[17:26] <tgm4883> yw
[17:26] <mmkumr> I have wrongly formated my ubuntu partition. Is there any way to recovery my lost data files
[17:27] <snckrs> interesting, I have no idea whats going on here, apt-get update revealed that my ppa is somehow known to the system, but for whatever reason it still  cant find the package
[17:27] <nacc> snckrs: what's the ppa now?
[17:27] <toomanyerrors> Also I'm having an issue with Cairo Dock on 14.04.3 I cant login while having selected that as de I type my password and then it shows a black screen with a cursor blinking at the corner and then takes me back to login screen
[17:28] <snckrs> nacc, https://launchpad.net/~josua-kollmann/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: still pending
[17:28] <virtuosoj> Running Ubuntu main 16.04. I installed Ubuntu MATE desktop and uninstalled it--- however now the Ubuntu MATE logo appears when I start/turn off my computer.  How can I set it back to default logos?  Do I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: click on pkg details
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: it can take a while for the builds to finisha nd then get the debs copied to the right place
[17:29] <toomanyerrors> Help?
[17:29] <snckrs> nacc, oh woops, I didnt realize that :) ill just wait and hope they will get published soon. Atleast the build was successful
[17:30] <nacc> snckrs: yeah, just give it a bit
[17:30] <snckrs> nacc, do you have by any chance an answer for my other question?
[17:32] <nacc> snckrs: something about the unity menu? no idea, sorry
[17:32] <snckrs> nacc, dang.
[17:35] <snckrs> lol I ... I have no idea if I was sable  to install it correctly or if it failed: https://ptpb.pw/iPrX
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: how do you mean? it installed correctly
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: if it had failed you'd have gotten an error?
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: now, that doesn't mean it works :)
[17:37] <snckrs> oh I was  just surprised there was no message like "finished installing" or "installed succesfully" or something along those lines
[17:37] <nacc> snckrs: is there ever when you use apt?
[17:37] <snckrs> nacc, im new to ubuntu
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: ah
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: there is never when you use apt :)
[17:38] <snckrs> nacc, good  to know lol
[17:38] <jasatso1301> I'm having an issue with Cairo Dock on 14.04.3 I cant login while having selected that as de I type my password and then it shows a black screen with a cursor blinking at the corner and then takes me back to login screen
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: it either finishes successfully ($? is 0 probably too) or it will spit errors
[17:39] <Pici> jasatso1301: I'm not a desktop guy, but why do you think that has anything to do with cairo dock? that sounds like an issue with your desktop environment or with your login manager.
[17:39] <snapfractalpop> OerHeks: hey OerHeks
[17:39] <OerHeks> :-)
[17:40] <OerHeks> hi snapfractalpop
[17:40] <ph88^> can i open a file from the command line with the default program ?
[17:41] <snapfractalpop> I still haven't seen amr_ from a few days ago.. I fear I lead him/her down the rabbithole of compiling kernel modules with experimental patches..
[17:41] <OerHeks> xdg-open <file> should open with the standard app for that sort of file
[17:41] <Pici> ph88^: I *think* thats what xdg-open is for.
[17:42] <snapfractalpop> I never knew the difference between that and gnome-open, or exo-open
[17:43] <jasatso1301> Pici I have the stock Ubuntu login manager and I'm logging in fine with other DEs and Cairo dock works perfectly when launch from unity
[17:43] <akis>  hi all. i faced this issue https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1006838-start-0.html on my freshly 16.04 Xubuntu installation. My system has already (by default) the symbolic link mentioned on this thread (http://pasteboard.co/11gfPQvc.png). Any idea to override this issue?
[17:43] <jasatso1301> I want to use it as a DE in gnome mode
[17:43] <snckrs> nacc, hey I have 2 packages in  my ppa (now its 3 but yeah) but for some reason i cant install vala-panel-extras, it says Unable to locate package
[17:43] <snapfractalpop> there is also gvfs-open, which supposedly replaced gnome-open
[17:43] <OerHeks> ph88^, to check what is the default >  cat /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | grep video
[17:44] <nacc> snckrs: did you `apt-get update`?
[17:44] <snckrs> yes
[17:44] <nacc> snckrs: can you pastebinh `apt-get update; apt-get install vala-panel-extras` ?
[17:45] <ph88^> Pici, xdg-open seems to work .. too bad the name is kind of long though :/
[17:46] <snckrs> nacc, https://ptpb.pw/SOa4
[17:48] <nacc> snckrs: you need to use sudo
[17:49] <snckrs> nacc, doesnnt change  a thing https://ptpb.pw/qtnG
[17:50] <nacc> snckrs: `apt-cache policy vala-panel-extras` ?
[17:50] <snckrs> nacc, N: Unable to locate package vala-panel-extras
[17:50] <fedoen> hi, how to get empathy working with yahoo, it shows me offline and no chance to go online on 16.04
[17:50] <genii> Those repositories do not contain any packages for xenial
[17:51] <nacc> genii: hrm? https://launchpad.net/~josua-kollmann/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[17:53] <OerHeks> 23 minutes ago, nacc, i see 3 files
[17:53] <nacc> OerHeks: ack, and snckrs' system is saying it can't find one of those pacakages (even by `apt-cache policy`
[17:54] <nacc> snckrs: sorry have to step away for a bit, hopefully somoene else will be able to help
[17:54] <snckrs> nacc, thanks for your help so far!
[17:55] <OerHeks> nacc, patience, they are just published, i am on the ducht mirror ( fast one)
[17:55] <OerHeks> *dutch
[17:55] <fedoen> http://pastebin.com/1ux3XDbJ here's my syslog
[17:55] <nacc> OerHeks: ppas get mirrored?
[17:56] <folder|> Would it be possible to have a copy of the main software repositories?  I have no internet at my apartment, but I still want to tinker around with Ubuntu
[17:56] <merced> i wonder how big the repo is
[17:57] <OerHeks> nacc, not sure about that, and i see a red cross .. http://imgur.com/sAm6f4o
[17:57] <nacc> OerHeks: yeah, one failure to build, but not the package in question
[17:57] <nacc> OerHeks: and the prior package seemd to install ok for snckrs
[17:58] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildflags it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add CPPFLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage?
[17:58] <tgm4883> folder|: yea, you'll need some space for it though
[17:58] <folder|> how much space are we talking?
[17:58] <folder|> I have an extra Dell R710 with 2 x 2TB drives
[17:58] <merced> thats probably more than enough
[17:59] <tgm4883> folder|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[17:59] <folder|> I have an extra external HDD with 200GB of space
[17:59] <ipatrol> ooh
[17:59] <tgm4883> specifically, dig through the scripts there and you'll find you can mirror what parts you want
[18:00] <ipatrol> So I have now installed my second Ubuntu flavor, and third Debian derivative, on this machine
[18:00] <jak2000> my network card not bringup at the start/boot, i need do a ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 how to fix it?
[18:00] <tgm4883> folder|: I was using ubumirror when I did it
[18:01] <nacc> !crosspost | jak2000
[18:01] <jak2000> no always are same ppl
[18:01] <jak2000> but i understand
[18:03] <ipatrol> jak2000: what's your native language?
[18:03] <folder|> tgm4883 looks like ubumirror hasn't been updated for a few years :(
[18:04] <ipatrol> !es | jak2000
[18:04] <tgm4883> folder|: does it need to be? It has a simple job of mirroring the repo. What do you want to update on it?
[18:04] <folder|> tgm4883 I have no internet at my apartment until the end of summer
[18:05] <ipatrol> folder|: sounds like fun
[18:05] <tgm4883> folder|: ok, which is why I'm assuming you want a local mirror
[18:05] <folder|> right
[18:05] <folder|> download from work
[18:05] <tgm4883> folder|: ok, so I'm not sure the issue then
[18:05] <folder|> take USB drive to my apartment
[18:06] <jak2013> ipatrol spanish
[18:06] <jak2013> ipatrol understand me?
[18:07] <ipatrol> jak2013: yeah, I just figured that out from your IP address
[18:07] <jak2013> is possible fix the problem?
[18:09] <ipatrol> jak2013: pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a -v"
[18:09] <jak2013> before ifdown ifup commands right?
[18:09] <Queenslayer> Ubuntu is back!
[18:09] <ipatrol> jak2013: right now
[18:10] <ipatrol> tgm4883: isn't apt-mirror the tool used for that?
[18:11] <dbacc> Is there a difference between installing Ubuntu and apt-get install kubuntu-full and installing Kubuntu?
[18:12] <johnny_whipples> this may be off topic but does anyone know if you could use XenServer or vSphere ESXi for a thin client to pxe boot from
[18:12] <lukas_> Can anyone help me with FreeBSD?
[18:12] <johnny_whipples> wahts the offtopic channel?
[18:12] <tgm4883> ipatrol: that probably works too
[18:12] <ipatrol> dbacc: for some reason it doesn't by default install X, probably because they keep experimenting with Wayland
[18:13] <TJ-> dbacc: the display manager may be different, it'll start with lightdm; kubuntu uses sddm
[18:13] <compdoc> dbacc, there is usually a difference. I install ubuntu server, then a minimal Mate desktop. that way you dont get all the stuff you dont use
[18:13] <lukas_> How can I restart fail2ban on freebsd? does anyone know?
[18:14] <tgm4883> lukas_: "apt-get install fail2ban"?
[18:14] <Queenslayer> Someone recommended a tool that helps battery life? I can't remember its name.  Does anyone know of any battery-saving program on linux?
[18:14] <ipatrol> compdoc: well if he's pulling in kubuntu-full, he's going to get all those apps
[18:14] <dbacc> ipatrol: TJ- but the kde-packages and configurations installed should be exactly the same (besides display manager) ?
[18:14] <pzn> is there any IRC channel for linux commands like grep, sed, sort, head... ?
[18:14] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I don't think apt exists on FreeBSD
[18:14] <Queenslayer> Power-something something....
[18:14] <ipatrol> pzn: ##linux
[18:14] <ipatrol> lukas_: have you tried asking #FreeBSD ?
[18:14] <svm_invictvs> So trying to recover my hosed box
[18:14] <tgm4883> ipatrol: oh I assumed since we were in the #ubuntu channel that we would be supporting ubuntu
[18:15] <svm_invictvs> WHich uses LVM for the root partition and I"m not able to mount it.
[18:15] <ipatrol> tgm4883: he asked about FreeBSD in the question
[18:15] <svm_invictvs> Is there a guide somewhere on mounting the LVM partition from the LiveCD?  I looked at a few guides and I wasn't able to get anything working, but I can confirm I can talk to the hardware and it sees the disks
[18:15] <tgm4883> ipatrol: perhaps I needed a /s
[18:15] <ipatrol> what's a /s ?
[18:16] <TJ-> dbacc: There might be some custom configs done by the kubuntu ISO installer that don't happen from regular package installs, but I've not looked at that in a while. Best to ask in #kubuntu I think it is,  or #kubuntu-devel
[18:16] <Queenslayer> tgm4883, no you need a personality
[18:16] <tgm4883> ipatrol: /sarcasm
[18:16] <tgm4883> Queenslayer: wow
[18:16] <ipatrol> ah, I thought we use " ;-) " for that
[18:16] <lukas_> how can i connect to another channel in xchat? :D
[18:17] <ipatrol> lukas_: /join #freebsd
[18:17] <tgm4883> lukas_: '/join #channelname'
[18:17] <lukas_> oh thanks <3
[18:17] <TJ-> Queenslayer: powertop ?
[18:17] <Queenslayer> great TJ!
[18:17] <Queenslayer> Thanks
[18:17] <Queenslayer> I think that's the one
[18:18] <jrminot> I'm somewhat new to ubuntu and I'm testing a custom ui that someone set up. I have grub set up so that it boots to text, and then tty1 auto logs in a user, and then that user has a bashrc file that auto starts x. This means I see the gui on startup. If i switch to terminal via alt ctrl r1, and then try to switch to find the ui, its just a black screen. Any thoughts?
[18:18] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: considering we get people in here all the time who have literally no clue what they're doing, sarcasm is probably rarely helpful, or appropriate
[18:18] <Queenslayer> agreed ipatrol
[18:19]  * tgm4883 feels jaded
[18:19] <pzn> ipatrol, tks
[18:20] <ipatrol> sometimes I'm amazed how they even got as far as figuring out how to use the IRC client :-/
[18:21] <slima> ;)
[18:21] <slima> hm, anyhelp?
[18:21] <TJ-> jrminot: that sounds .... 'weird' ... because that's precisely what the standard default display manager does when a user is configured for auto-login
[18:21] <tgm4883> slima: what's your question?
[18:22] <curlyears> I wanted to ask if this seems like a rational conficuration for a 16.04 platform:    250GB SDD, with 24GB partitioned as swap, 2GB as /boot, and the remainder as /.  The a 3TB drive as /'home, and 1 500GB as /home/<username>
[18:22] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildflags it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add CPPFLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage?
[18:23] <tgm4883> curlyears: swap seems high
[18:23] <ipatrol> curlyears: make sure to use GPT/uEFI on that setup, if you can
[18:24] <curlyears> tgm4883: given my hardware configuration, that is what both 14.04.4 and 16.04 set swap to if left to their own devices.  I have 24GB of RAM
[18:24] <davidmichaelkarr> I'm seeing an odd symptom with 16 vs 14. I have VMs of both, and I can run VMWare Horizon View on both to get to a remote Hosted Virtual Desktop. I connect a USB headset to the laptop.  Sound input/output works ok on the HVD running from the 14 VM, but I only get output on the HVD running from the 16 VM.
[18:24] <ipatrol> tgm4883: as a general rule, swap >= RAM
[18:24] <curlyears> ipatrol:  yes, it *HAS* to be gpfm given the size of my main HDD
[18:25] <fedoen> curlyears: I put my swap on the hdd and /home on ssd for speed
[18:25] <jrminot> TJ: Sorry, I'm very new to X and Display/Window Managers. I wanted the custom gui to start on login (which it is) but switching away from it seems to prevent successfully getting back to it. There is another machine I am comparing against that allows you to switch away and back to the guid using alt ctrl F7 or F8 (can't remember which)
[18:25] <fedoen> curlyears: if you think your swap will ever get used maybe ssd is better choice for speed
[18:25] <curlyears> fedoen:  wouldn't swap want to ty fast for performance?
[18:26] <ipatrol> curlyears: I've given serious thought to changing over my setup to uEFI, but right now it'd be such a hassle
[18:26] <fedoen> curlyears: the /home for performance
[18:26] <ipatrol> fedoen: putting swap on an SSD is a great way to destroy the thing
[18:26] <curlyears> I have been informed that swap will likely seldom, if ever get used.  24GB is a lot of room
[18:26] <fedoen> curlyears: /swap on hdd for the heavy read/write
[18:26] <Queenslayer> curlyears, I'm running mine without swap
[18:26] <ipatrol> curlyears: swap also holds your system state for hibernation
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears:  but as ipatrol said it will run ssd out soon
[18:27] <Queenslayer> I've got 8gb so I hardly need it
[18:27] <curlyears> ah, but I will need more than is available on the SSD for /home
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears: you need more for storage, movies, etc...
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears: that can stay on hdd
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: I have a 128GB ssd with 60G free
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: /home on ssd
[18:28] <ipatrol> curlyears: the other thing you need to consider, is possibly using a filesystem appropriate for an SSD
[18:28] <curlyears> I don't store movies, I *MAY* store some music as .mp3s, but nmot much.  I need storage for 3D models and gcode files, etc., in support of my 3D printer
[18:28] <tgm4883> You could also setup the SSD as a cache
[18:28] <crs> Queenslayer: Powertop ?
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: downloads and stuff on hdd
[18:28] <Queenslayer> crs, yeah
[18:29] <Queenslayer> TJ- has already mentioned it but thanks
[18:29] <curlyears> yeah, downloads on the HDD for sure
[18:29] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, am I missing out?
[18:29] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, by not having any swap?
[18:29] <cinnabin> How can I use extended partition for installing Ubuntu?
[18:29] <snckrs> Can someone send me a link for a ubuntu 15.04 iso?
[18:29] <fedoen> curlyears: not using 3d printer, not used on big files
[18:29] <rick6860> super plus arrows keys does not move a window
[18:29] <k1l> cinnabin: make an extended partition and put all ubuntu partitions in it
[18:29] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: probably yes
[18:29] <fedoen> curlyears: I'm a php developer so my files are pretty small
[18:29] <curlyears> with 24GB of RAM< I find it highkly unlikely that I'll really ever use swap
[18:30] <tgm4883> Queenslayer: probably not. I ran without swap for while. You can't hibernate without it
[18:30] <ipatrol> depends on your workload
[18:30] <k1l> rick6860: hold super-key for shortcut table
[18:30] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, it's only temporary
[18:30] <ipatrol> the other thing to consider, is that RAM uses more electricity than swap
[18:30] <fedoen> curlyears: you can setup swap on hdd if you need hibernation as ipatrol pointed out
[18:30] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, valid point
[18:30] <curlyears> I want my main system on SSD (including /bin, /usr/bin, etc., to sopeed up user interface responses times
[18:30] <cinnabin> k11: it's for an ubuntu installation in a dual boot, how can I turn a free space into an extended partition? using win7 atm
[18:31] <k1l> curlyears: honestly: why do you make things extreme complicated again?
[18:31] <Queenslayer> cinnabin, disk management?
[18:31] <ipatrol> !gparted | cinnabin
[18:31] <rick6860> k1l, held super and nothing happened
[18:31] <tgm4883> ipatrol: you're talking about sleep vs hibernation right?
[18:31] <ipatrol> tgm4883: true hibernation, not sleep
[18:31] <curlyears> not ,uch point in hibernation on a full\ sized desktop, is there
[18:31] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, he's on windows
[18:31] <k1l> curlyears: what about you make a easy setup like / and /home on sdd and datapartitions on hdd?
[18:31] <curlyears> s/uch/much/
[18:31] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: that's what the LiveCD is for
[18:31] <k1l> rick6860: what desktop do you use?
[18:31] <tgm4883> ipatrol: because if you aren't, I don't see how SWAP uses less than RAM in a running system
[18:32] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, I partitioned mine before hand
[18:32] <Queenslayer> Makes it a bit safer IMO
[18:32] <rick6860> k1l, ubuntu mate
[18:32] <curlyears> k1l:  there you ge being reasonable again, doggone you!
[18:32] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: but he said he already had the free space
[18:32] <fedoen> curlyears: think of how much you need for storage and how much for the working system
[18:32] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, you're right, didn't see that
[18:33] <ipatrol> k1l: I've worked with embedded systems, where it's not uncommon to have a fairly complex mounting setup
[18:33] <fedoen> curlyears:  you can store/open big files from the hdd while the system and home dir are on the ssd
[18:33] <noob45> I have some problems with ubuntu 1. when I try to mount via terminal an external or internal cd rom it gaves the message :  can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab
[18:33] <noob45> any help
[18:33] <fedoen> curlyears: everything that needs to load fast is on ssd
[18:33] <ipatrol> seems overkill for a desktop though, unless he's using it for some serious biznes
[18:33] <k1l> ipatrol: yes. but for beginner users this is just a big compley layer that will result in desaster in most times.
[18:33] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, you've reminded me why my system was consuming so much power compared with windows 10
[18:34] <rick6860> k1l, ubuntu mate
[18:34] <curlyears> that does seem like a better solution, yes.   So, / and /home on SDD, /home/<username> on HDD as well as any other partitions I need.
[18:34] <k1l> ipatrol: there are reasons for complex setups for servers etc. but for home pc with one ssd and one hdd and a beginner in front of it? no.
[18:34] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I ain't touching Windows10 with a ten-meter pole
[18:35] <effectnet> did you see all the key-collecting and mic-collecting data you are signing off on?
[18:35] <noob45> I have some problems with ubuntu 1. when I try to mount via terminal an external or internal cd rom it gaves the message :  can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab. any help?
[18:35] <fedoen> curlyears: how much ram does your system usually eat while running your 3d apps?
[18:35] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, I don't mind it either way.  It's just for some Windozers that might occasionally use my laptop
[18:35] <k1l> rick6860: ok, i dont know the shortcuts for mate.
[18:35] <ipatrol> curlyears: usually you just put the whole /home directory on one partiton
[18:35] <fedoen> curlyears: put the /home/user on the same partition
[18:36] <fedoen> curlyears: and make a folder for the user on the hdd
[18:36] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I have 7 for stuff like windows-only software I have to use, but 10 scares me
[18:36] <ElLoco> hi, how can i remove an EFI partition from a pendrive?
[18:36] <curlyears> fedoen:  I haven't tested that as yet.  Will be once I replace the {SU on the box
[18:36] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, why?
[18:36] <cinnabin> queenslayer, if i were to create an extended partition in win for an ubuntu installation, which file system should i choose?
[18:36] <fedoen> curlyears: which you can bookmark and access easy from file manager
[18:36] <k1l> curlyears: i would even put your whole /home onto the ssd. just use the hdd for storage of the big data stuff like pictures, movies and music (or what you store there). and mount that to /mnt/storage in your /etc/fstab
[18:37] <Queenslayer> cinnabin, doesn't matter
[18:37] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I'd rather not have Redmond and Langley be given a detailed report of my actions every day
[18:37] <Queenslayer> You're going to reformat it anyway
[18:37] <effectnet> theres a webpage for win 10 that explains.  it basically collects all keystrokes and mic activity.  also by you using it, you're signing off privacy on a lot of your data too, and it's weird there will be no further os's?  what?
[18:37] <Queenslayer> You're just creating space that the liveCd can read
[18:37] <curlyears> hmmm
[18:37] <ipatrol> effectnet: "no further OSs", you mean like a rolling release?
[18:37] <effectnet> i dont know
[18:38] <curlyears> I was just considering the simplicity of the pathnames, is why I wanted to mount /home/<username> for MY username, on the big drive
[18:38] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, is it really that bad?
[18:38] <cinnabin> queenslayer, so the livecd will let me create a swap & ext4 partitions out of that extended partition? (it's all because i can't do it as a free space)
[18:38] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: actually it's much worse. I stopped reading after a point
[18:38] <Queenslayer> oh yeah cinnabin
[18:38] <Queenslayer> You can do it from within
[18:38] <Queenslayer> But it's better to make it all beforehand
[18:39] <cinnabin> queenslayer, thank you. i'll give it a go
[18:39] <Queenslayer> So make the sizes from windows
[18:39] <k1l> curlyears: the /mnt/storage will be shown in your file browser too.
[18:39] <curlyears> K1l:   OK..not familiar enough with this file browser to have known that
[18:40] <ipatrol> curlyears: I have a similar thing going on with my internal HDD and a 2TB external NAS drive connected via CIFS
[18:40] <fedoen> curlyears: if in doubt just go with the defaults and see where you get in trouble and after that you can tweak things (a reinstall might be needed) but as k1l is pointing out you can mount that folder and it's available in file manager, I have the same setup
[18:40] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, did you manage to monitor it or is is anecdotal evidence?
[18:41] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I won't let that thing into my house, but I've picked up some traffic while sniffing on public networks
[18:41] <curlyears> see?  people *DO* get excellent help and advice in here!
[18:41] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, not directed at you, but there's also scope for exaggeration.  That said, I wouldn't put it past Microsoft
[18:42] <fedoen> curlyears: install on the ssd with default options, except I moved my swap on hdd (if I ever need it)  16GB of ram and never filled
[18:42] <ipatrol> suspicious traffic going back to not only Microsoft, but also Amazon
[18:42] <plytro> does anyone have a link to that mouse cursor bug when you come back from suspend/sleep?
[18:42] <k1l> curlyears: how big is the ssd?
[18:42] <k1l> bug 1568604
[18:42] <curlyears> fedoen: yeah, I have 24GB RAM...what are the chances I'll need swap space?
[18:42] <ipatrol> k1l: 250GB he said
[18:43] <Fiki> I want to add to the Ubuntu SSH Wiki page about Eliptic cruve private keys (mainly because they are faster)
[18:43] <curlyears> K1l:  250GB Samsung EVO850
[18:43] <k1l> ok, that is more than enough for a regular system.
[18:43] <tgm4883> curlyears: that's not really something we can answer. You mentioned you dealt with large 3d files
[18:43] <ipatrol> curlyears: one of the things to consider about computing hardware, is that usage patterns almost inevitably expand to fill them
[18:44] <k1l> plytro: see the bots message
[18:44] <curlyears> tgm4883: by "large" I am meaning on the ordert of 100MB to 1GB each
[18:44] <tgm4883> curlyears: oh, then you'll probably be fine
[18:44] <ipatrol> you could probably run a sweet BOINC node off of that
[18:44] <curlyears> ipatrol:  usage will always expand to fit capacity
[18:45] <ipatrol> curlyears: so even though you don't think you need swap *now*, it's probably best to allocate it anyway
[18:45] <fedoen> curlyears: as I said, I don't use 3d printers, not sure how much ram would that consume, swap can be setup later also
[18:45] <ipatrol> fedoen: assuming he leaves free space on any of his drives
[18:45] <fedoen> curlyears: my default install put swap on ssd and I moved it, easy to do in a few steps
[18:46] <derduschka> hello and good evening
[18:46] <ipatrol> fedoen: the other thing you can do, is change the kernel's "swappiness"
[18:46] <fedoen> ipatrol: true, but 2-3DVDs for backup and there's room :)
[18:46] <curlyears> ipatrol:  is it acceptable (or even possible) to set up a swap space that's less than your RAM space
[18:46] <ipatrol> and leave the swap on SSD
[18:46] <ipatrol> curlyears: yes, but you won't be able to hibernate
[18:46] <plytro> k1l: thanks
[18:46] <tgm4883> curlyears: yea
[18:47] <derduschka> i search ubuntu help chat channel for german
[18:47] <ipatrol> !de | derduschka
[18:47] <curlyears> OK, isn't hibernation really only relevant to laptop/notebook systems?
[18:47] <fedoen> curlyears: as said before without hibernation you might never touch swap on 24GB of RAM
[18:48] <fedoen> curlyears: you can use it on desktop for fast startup but given my 12s boot time on ssd not really needed
[18:48] <ipatrol> fedoen: except from my experience, 3D CAD/CAM applications eat memory like sharks eat guppies
[18:48] <derduschka> ubottu vieleicht kannst du mir helfen, bei mein problem mit dem dvd laufwerk controller?
[18:49] <fedoen> ipatrol: I know, but that's usually rendering that takes more, the file itself should use it's size for opening?
[18:49] <curlyears> ipatrol:  my build volume os 11.9X11.9X10 .   I don't think my 3D files will expand to or beyond 24GB
[18:49] <ipatrol> fedoen: depends on how the file gets loaded
[18:49] <ipatrol> 3D files are frequently compressed on disk
[18:49] <fedoen> ipatrol: not getting into details here as I didn't play enough with 3D
[18:50] <fedoen> ipatrol: and if a file is 1GB compressed that's bad lol
[18:50] <ipatrol> fedoen: s'ok, I'm a CAD veteran
[18:51] <fedoen> curlyears: by now you should already have your system up and running lol
[18:51] <curlyears> the 3D files (mostly .stl) haven't exceeded 100MB for a fairly complex model of an Hungarian Palace.
[18:51] <TJ-> hibernation is good for saving a complex session state in the event of power loss, such as a mains outage and UPS getting close to shutdown point
[18:51] <ipatrol> curlyears: again, if you're going to use an SSD, make sure to use an appropriate filesystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#File_systems_optimized_for_flash_memory.2C_solid_state_media
[18:52] <curlyears> fedoen: yes, I should, but apparently I have a flakey PSU which has led me a merry chase. )-: )-:
[18:52] <ipatrol> TJ-: heck, I just find it useful when I have to leave, and saving all my state would take a considerable amount of time
[18:52] <curlyears> ipatrol:  can't I just format it to ext4?
[18:52] <fedoen> curlyears: try it on for 2 days with defaults and see if you have troubles, watch over your ram usage, swap if it comes to it and you can tweak from there
[18:53] <ipatrol> curlyears: you can, but I wouldn't recommend it
[18:53] <ipatrol> SSDs have different usage considerations than HDDs, you could end up shortening its operational lifespan if you do things wrong
[18:53] <TJ-> ipatrol: indeed, that too, many desktop/workstation users don't see its value
[18:53] <jak2000> ipatrol are you there?
[18:54] <ipatrol> TJ-: I find it very useful as a laptop user, since I don't like having the thing on, generating heat, in a laptop bag
[18:54] <tgm4883> ipatrol: so what do you format your SSD drives with?
[18:55] <k1l> curlyears: ext4 for ssds is fine
[18:55] <TJ-> ipatrol: S3 suspend for retaining RAM content shouldn't generate heat :)
[18:55] <xaviergmail> Consider disabling journaling for ssds
[18:55] <tgm4883> ipatrol: you've lost me in the last few minutes
[18:55] <ipatrol> tgm4883: the two primary choices are NILFS, and F2FS
[18:56] <k1l> curlyears: again: you could use a super duper ssd filesystem, that is still experimental and will eat your data. but dont come here and cry then :)
[18:56] <jak2000> ipatrol http://postimg.org/image/3xuocbc8x/
[18:56] <jak2000> cant pastebin
[18:56] <ipatrol> k1l: it's fine in the short run, but it's not good from a wear usage consideration
[18:56] <k1l> ipatrol: for regular enduser you will liekely exeed the lifespan of a hdd with running ntfs or ext4 on the ssd.
[18:57] <tgm4883> ipatrol: Yea I'm not sure I'm with you on that one
[18:57] <k1l> ipatrol: the panic about lifespan was when ssds were generation 1. which had lots of issues.
[18:57] <k1l> please dont hype the myths about ssds, that come from 1st gen devices. same with the old ram myths that come from times when ram was 100mb
[18:58] <ipatrol> k1l: it's not as bad now as it used to be, but it really can't hurt to try to keep it usable as long as possible
[18:58] <nimu> hiii guys...
[18:58] <ipatrol> k1l: my field is in the semiconductor industry, I kinda know this stuff
[18:58] <tgm4883> k1l: ipatrol: http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[18:59] <tgm4883> ipatrol: wait, did you just drop credentials in here?
[18:59] <k1l> ipatrol: ext4 is optimized for sdds and its super stable and well tested and supported.
[18:59]  * tgm4883 goes back to work
[18:59] <svm_invictvs> How relevant is this  still? http://www.linuxwave.info/2007/11/mounting-lvm-disk-using-ubuntu-livecd.html
[18:59] <ipatrol> tgm4883: if you're going to patronize me, yeah
[19:00] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I'm just pointing out that endurance test
[19:01] <k1l> ipatrol: i bet with you that the user wil have reinstalled 20 times until the ssd comes to its wear level. so that is all just theoretical and doesnt help in this beginners channel anyway.
[19:01] <ipatrol> " It has been proven to cause a performance degradation instead of a performance increase under certain circumstances.[173][174] As of January 2014, Linux sends an individual TRIM command to each sector, instead of a vectorized list defining a TRIM range as recommended by the TRIM specification.[175] This deficiency has existed for years and there are no known plans to eliminate it."
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> Hi there, I'm on ubuntu and after updates and a reboot my samba server won't work
[19:01] <fedoen> both you guys seem to know what are you talking about so I'm going to stick to my ext4 filesystem :)
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> when i try to stop it , it says unknown instance
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> googled for a bit now and no real solution
[19:01] <tgm4883> Would it be possible to move this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss ?
[19:02] <circ-user-i2ztY> tried to purge everything and reinstall but no go
[19:02] <ipatrol> tgm4883: soitenly
[19:02] <fedoen> so fstrim since you brought that up?!
[19:03] <fedoen> on ext4 ssd
[19:03] <ipatrol> k1l: I was under the impression we were a support channel, not a "beginners channel"
[19:03] <fedoen> support is mostly for begginers
[19:03] <fedoen> :)
[19:03] <ipatrol> fedoen: it's cute that you think that
[19:03] <k1l> ipatrol: telling a beginner to make complex partition layouts and use experimental filesystems is not what i call good support.
[19:04] <fedoen> I'm a begginer on many things, been using ubuntu (desktop) since 2007
[19:04] <tgm4883> in any cause, none of this discussion is support
[19:04] <curlyears> Great Ghu!!!!!   There are  HUNDREDS of file systems to choose from.  How do I select one most compatible with my operation?
[19:04] <ipatrol> k1l: I was advising him to simplify his layout a bit, but I was also advising him on possible performance and hardware considerations, of which he already said were important to him
[19:04] <k1l> tgm4883: yep.
[19:05] <fedoen> got curlyears more lost than he was before you guys :)
[19:05] <k1l> curlyears: the standard for ubuntu is ext4. it works well with ssds since it got trim support.
[19:06] <ipatrol> curlyears: as a rule, F2FS for thouroughput, NILFS for low latency
[19:06] <ipatrol> or ext4, as k1l said
[19:07] <ipatrol> everything else is either obsolete or highly experimental
[19:07] <curlyears> and are F2FS and NILFS available as choices in grub2  gparted when I lay out the partitions?
[19:07] <k1l> does the installer even support f2fs? is there a proper fsck for f2fs?
[19:07] <ipatrol> curlyears: I know NILFS is supported by gparted
[19:07] <curlyears> I asked about using ext4 earlier, someone implied it would be a mistake to do so
[19:07] <k1l> iirc f2fs is still marked experimental, be very caution with that curlyears
[19:08] <k1l> curlyears: again: ext4 works on millions of ssds.
[19:08] <curlyears> yeah, I don't want to mess about with experimental stuff.
[19:09] <ipatrol> k1l: NILFS has been out since 2008
[19:09] <circ-user-i2ztY> can't restart or stop service smbd unknown instance (help much appreciated) :(
[19:09] <tgm4883> ipatrol: isn't the rule of thumb 10 years?
[19:09] <ipatrol> F2FS is admittedly much newer
[19:09] <curlyears> I think I'll be non-creative, and format the partitions as ext4
[19:10] <k1l> ipatrol: i bet you personally support all issues with f2fs and nilfs then when the users come back in here with issues?
[19:10] <ipatrol> tgm4883: ext4 became stable in 2008 also
[19:10] <k1l> ipatrol: "has been stable" vs "came out"
[19:11] <ipatrol> curlyears: at this point, if you don't understand these things in detail, it's probably best to just put your whole system on a single ext4 partition
[19:11] <ipatrol> and save the HDD for a seperate mount point
[19:11] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I feel like there's a small difference between F2FS v1, and EXT v4
[19:11] <k1l> ipatrol: i am sorry to be so pedantic about that. but we have seen users advertising the latest and greatest in here, and the next day when the system was a mess the advertiser was not here to clear the mess.
[19:11] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I said NILFS, fyi
[19:11] <curlyears> *wow*  didn't expect to raise this level of controversy with such a simple question
[19:12] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I feel like there's a small difference between NILFS v1, and EXT v4
[19:12] <curlyears> *blush*  somehow, I generate trouble even when I am behaving myself
[19:13] <ipatrol> tgm4883: FWIW, I use btrfs on my home partition. Never gave me any problems.
[19:13] <tgm4883> ipatrol: wait, why are we talking about BTRFS now?
[19:14] <curlyears> ipatrol:  In what siginificant was is BTRFS different from and/or better than EXT4?
[19:14] <ipatrol> here_we_go_again.jpg
[19:14] <tgm4883> ipatrol: TBF, you did bring it up
[19:15] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I didn't expect it to become another question
[19:15] <curlyears> s.was.ways.
[19:15] <tgm4883> curlyears: ext4, just go ext4
[19:16] <curlyears> ipatrol:  well, you obviously had reasons for switching to btrfs, please explain them
[19:16] <ipatrol> Btrfs is where Linux filesystems are *going*, but it's only been stable for two years
[19:16] <tgm4883> curlyears: that's not a support question
[19:16] <fedoen> curlyears: ssd will bring you speed anyway, I'm using it on ext4 for 1yr now and haven't got any issues, partitioning is the default install, going deep into filesystem choice means you have to understand them first, which you crearly don't now (no offence), I don't either so I stick to the defaults, if you're worried about lifespan welcome aboard :)
[19:18] <curlyears> tgm4883:  I feel it is, as I need to understand the differences between various filesystem in use
[19:18] <k1l> curlyears: honestly: go with the standard this time and keep your self away from trouble
[19:19] <tgm4883> curlyears: no you don't and no it isn't. You would need to know about the filesystems that you use. If you want to know about other filesystems, this isn't the place for it. (you can read about the merits of filesystems in a variety of other places)
[19:19] <tgm4883> but all it's doing is clogging up this channel
[19:19] <ipatrol> curlyears: the benefits of btrfs are mostly administrative. They probably won
[19:19] <ipatrol> 't concern you
[19:19] <curlyears> tonight at 20:00 CDT, a new "reality" series executive produced by, believe it or not Dr. Stephen Hawking will debut on PBS
[19:19] <tgm4883> curlyears: off topic
[19:19] <ipatrol> curlyears: please stop, this is not a discussion channel
[19:20] <ipatrol> go ask ##linux if you want to know more about filesystems and partitioning schemes
[19:22] <fedoen> can I use pki token with adobe on ubuntu?
[19:23] <ipatrol> fedoen: I didn't know Adobe ran on Linux
[19:23] <fedoen> ipatrol: older version
[19:23] <ipatrol> Heck if we know
[19:23] <fedoen> ipatrol: can't read from token though
[19:24] <ipatrol> we try not to make it a habit of offering support for proprietary software
[19:24] <fedoen> ipatrol: not sure what software to use, I just got my hands on a token and can't even read it
[19:25] <ipatrol> fedoen: "got my hands on", ok, you need to STOP. We're not going to advise you on how to break the law either
[19:25] <fedoen> ipatrol: lol
[19:25] <fedoen> ipatrol: I bought an pki token for electronic signing some documents
[19:26] <ipatrol> fedoen: "pki" is a general class of technologies, it depends on which PKI you're talking about
[19:26] <fedoen> ipatrol: and I wanted to know if I can get it working under ubuntu so I don't have to boot windows
[19:27] <fedoen> ipatrol: it's an athena dongle, not sure about the right terms to use to describe it, that's why google wouldn't help me :)
[19:28] <ipatrol> fedoen: I think they're usually called "smartcards"
[19:28] <OerHeks> fedoen, pki, you mean GPG key ?
[19:28] <fedoen> ipatrol: sorry, my english is not that good
[19:28] <ipatrol> OerHeks: no, it's a cryptoprocessor smartcard
[19:30] <ipatrol> fedoen: is it this thing?: http://www.athena-scs.com/products-solutions/enterprise/pki#IDProtect%20Key%20LASER
[19:31] <OerHeks> !info dogtag-pki
[19:31] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dogtag-pki
[19:31] <fedoen> ipatrol: something like that, not the exact one, but yes
[19:32] <ipatrol> fedoen: drivers are available at http://www.athena-scs.com/support/software-driver-downloads
[19:32] <ich_dien> I'm attempting to install ST3 on ubuntu.
[19:32] <ipatrol> OerHeks: I don't think that will help him, because it's a different PKI altogether
[19:32] <ich_dien> I'm ading the repo from https://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2-3 to make install easier
[19:33] <fedoen> ipatrol: lol, when you know where to look
[19:33] <ich_dien> How do I find/verify the gpgkey for ST3??
[19:33] <fedoen> ipatrol: I will give it a shot
[19:33] <ipatrol> ich_dien: ...we usually don't recommend people add repos to their system
[19:33] <ich_dien> ipatrol, because it's third party??
[19:33] <ipatrol> ich_dien: and because that particular piece of software is proprietary
[19:34] <OerHeks> ich_dien, the command includes getting the GPG key from our servers.
[19:34] <OerHeks> add-apt-repository
[19:35] <ich_dien> OerHeks, So adding the repo automatically includes geeting key from server?
[19:35] <ich_dien> So why is it frowned upon for installing this way??
[19:35] <OerHeks> and the key is on launchpad
[19:35] <OerHeks> no frown, just a warning with ppa's
[19:35] <ich_dien> If I just DL tar then I have to find all the dependencies and install them seperately
[19:36] <OerHeks> btw sublime text 3 is out too old article .. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/sublime-text-3
[19:36] <ipatrol> OerHeks: PPAs are just one kind of third-party repository. In general, it's a bad idea to start adding them
[19:37] <ipatrol> certainly without a great deal of care and attention
[19:37] <ipatrol> !nonfree | ich_dien
[19:38] <OerHeks> let's say we warned him, ok? it is not from a repo OUTSIDE launchpad...
[19:38] <workbook> hello
[19:38] <workbook> hey how to use sticky notes in ubuntu
[19:39] <workbook> anybdy her
[19:39] <ipatrol> impatient much?
[19:40] <OerHeks> !find sticky
[19:41] <OerHeks> !find notes
[19:41] <ich_dien> ubottu, thanks
[19:41] <mherweg> how can i route telphony (sip,rdp) via eth0  and all the rest via eth1 ?
[19:42] <ipatrol> !iptables | mherweg
[19:42] <ich_dien> as you said I'm getting this from launchpad but is there anyway to make this process safer?
[19:42] <ipatrol> mherweg: if you're trying to reroute traffic, you usually use iptables
[19:43] <ipatrol> mherweg: is this a VOIP gateway or something?
[19:43] <RabbitD> is this me
[19:43] <ipatrol> ich_dien: add-apt-repository is the safest
[19:43] <ipatrol> RabbitD: cogito ergo sum? ;-)
[19:43] <ich_dien> ipatrol, okay...
[19:44] <RabbitD> ipatrol: its me
[19:44] <mherweg> can i have more than 1 default gateway?  it is a server with 2 uplinks
[19:45] <ipatrol> mherweg: again, all that stuff has to be done through iptables
[19:46] <ich_dien> Is it safe to remove the ppa after installing?
[19:46] <ipatrol> mherweg: try asking #ubuntu-server for more advice
[19:47] <mherweg> ok, thanks
[19:47] <TJ-> mherweg: you can create additional routing tables for specific traffic types and mark packets to indicate which routing table to use. It's called Policy Based Routing
[19:47] <ipatrol> ich_dien: usually not, since some package managers will remove it
[19:47] <ipatrol> the package
[19:47] <TJ-> mherweg: there's an overview and intro here: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[19:48] <ipatrol> mherweg: also try asking ##linux and ##networking , since what you're trying to do is pretty high-level stuff
[19:48] <RabbitD> so why on the #linux channel it says " Cannot send to channel"
[19:48] <reisio> /msg nickserv help register; /msg nickserv help identify
[19:49] <Pici> RabbitD: ##linux requires that you are registered an identified to nickserv to join.
[19:49] <RabbitD> thanks Pici
[19:49] <reisio> has to do with the IRC server staff being too inept to implement server-side anti-spam measures
[19:49] <RabbitD> its better in here anyway
[19:50] <RabbitD> their loss
[19:50] <reisio> good attitude
[19:51] <RabbitD> :i have ubuntu installed on two machines
[19:51] <ipatrol> reisio: sometimes it's not spam. Often it's trolls, and there's really no server-side measure for trolls
[19:51] <RabbitD> well one install I use xfce and now it says its lubuntu
[19:51] <RabbitD> :)
[19:52] <reisio> trolls only work when people respond to them, they aren't a real problem as much as people unable to ignore a person are :p
[19:52] <ipatrol> reisio: I used to think that was true. I understand now that most of a troll's validation comes from other trolls, not the target
[19:52] <ipatrol> They could troll a soap carving if others thought it was funny
[19:53] <reisio> oh they have a review process? :p
[19:53] <ipatrol> reisio: oddly, yes
[19:53] <EriC^^> trollology
[19:53] <ipatrol> it's called 4chan
[19:53] <reisio> heh
[19:53] <reisio> EriC^^: trololololology?
[19:54] <ipatrol> and there's always a back-and-forth dynamic going on
[19:54] <ipatrol> reisio: lolololol
[19:54] <ipatrol> but seriously folks, let's stay on topic
[19:54] <guntbert> ipatrol: reisio back to support please
[19:54] <reisio> ipatrol: get back to support!
[19:54] <tmwsiy> I am looking for some help with apparmor. I have an ubuntu 14 host and ubuntu 16 guest and they are fighting over audio it seems. I can;t get them both to work and I see some DENIED messages on startup in the pulse directories
[19:55] <ipatrol> tmwsiy: so the problem is with Pulse?
[19:55] <reisio> tmwsiy: what vm app?
[19:55] <tmwsiy> ipatrol: qemu, I think it is with either pulse or the apparmor profile
[19:56] <reisio> probably just your qemu config, or lack thereof
[19:56] <reisio> might ask #kvm
[19:56] <ipatrol> tmwsiy: you probably haven't enabled all the things the guest needs to have audio access
[19:57] <ipatrol> anyway, I'll be back later
[19:57] <reisio> lates
[19:57]  * reisio also also splits
[19:57] <RabbitD> ##java wont even let me join
[19:57] <RabbitD> harsh
[19:57] <alexmh> RabbitD, are you registered on freenode?
[19:58] <Pici> !register
[19:58] <RabbitD> how do i go about registering on freenode?
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> !register
[19:58] <RabbitD> !register
[19:59] <OerHeks> register and open your RabbitD email, chase the mouse to inbox
[19:59] <LeftFootBraker> Hi Folks! -I just tried to install PulseAudio Systemtray via synaptic on a 14.04 install, it didn't work... are there any known issues with this?
[19:59] <RabbitD> i'll figure it out ty
[20:01] <OerHeks> LeftFootBraker, did you run updates first?
[20:02] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: damn! -I did not... :-( -sorry to bother with my stupidity...
[20:02] <OerHeks> have fun!
[20:02] <LeftFootBraker> s/bother/bother you/
[20:02] <jak2000> ipatrol fixed my eth problem :)
[20:03] <tmwsiy> ipatrol: Thanks, the weird thing is that it did work fine earlier today. I installed cheese so I could troubleshoot my webcam so I could authenticate for a coursera course and WOW, my day went south fast
[20:05] <vayan> is there a way to bypass a vpn locally ? with a domain. something like `route add netflix.com dev eth0` ?
[20:05] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: sorry to bother you again, but now I did update the packet-informations, but if I try to reinstall pasystray, synaptic doesn't want to downlaod it again... -so there seems to be no change for it?
[20:05] <bekks> vayan: Not unless you VPN administrator allows to do so.
[20:07] <vayan> bekks: oh it's just me, I have full control
[20:08] <bekks> vayan: then you have to configure your VPN for allowing local routes. And no, you cannot use a CNAME in routing.
[20:10] <vayan> yeah it'd be too hard without CNAME :/ thanks anyway bekks !
[20:11] <Jordan_U> vayan: Maybe you want to use a proxy rather than a VPN. Then you can easily have certain apps just not use the proxy.
[20:11] <davidmichaelkarr> I mentioned this a bit earlier, but I'm having trouble with sound input in a Hosted Virtual Desktop when I run it from Ubuntu 15 or 16, but not from 14.  Input works fine in the VM itself, just doesn't work in the HVD.
[20:12] <RabbitD> I made it 8-)
[20:13] <OerHeks> i don't know why you wanted to install PulseAudio Systemtray, LeftFootBraker
[20:14] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: What virtualization software are you using? Also note that there is no "Ubuntu 14" (or 15 or 16) there is Ubuntu 14.04, Ubuntu 14.10, Ubuntu 15.04, Ubuntu 15.10, and Ubuntu 16.04.
[20:15] <vfw> I understand that on some Distros /bin/ has become a symlink to /usr/bin/  (I've yet to move to 16.04 so,...) Is it a new thing for Ubuntu too?
[20:15] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: in synaptic there is a package, called pasystray, I tried to install before I updated the database and it didn't work, after updating the database synaptic informs it doesn't want to download anything, just install the package... -so the downloaded parts seem to be up-to-date?
[20:15] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I'm using VirtualBox. I'll get the actual versions of 14 and 15 in a sec.
[20:15] <OerHeks> and then pasystray,.. best mixer is pavucontrol
[20:16] <OerHeks> maybe you need to restart the audio server, or logout/login
[20:16] <stumo> suoma laisia paikalla
[20:16] <OerHeks> and mixing mixers ..
[20:16] <LeftFootBraker> just for your information, the only thing I wanted to add to my system is the ability to choose the sound-output to use another laptop which is connected to my stereo
[20:17] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: 14.04 and 15.10, and 16.04, of course.
[20:18] <LeftFootBraker> I'll try restarting the machine... -but shouldn't synaptic tell me when this is nessecary?... -be right back
[20:18] <OerHeks> pavucontrol and jack are the basics for such stream AFAIK
[20:21] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: How are you trying to record audio?
[20:21] <LeftFootBraker> I have to say, on "the other laptop" I have installed everything needed a few months ago... -I thought it was pasystray... but even if I tried to install the wrong package doesn't change the fact, that installing pasystray via synaptic didn't work... -this is the first time that synaptic has failed me... :-(
[20:24] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I've tested it with audacity and the system "Sound Recorder" app.  Note that the HVD is running Win7.
[20:24] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I'm running Audacity on all three hosts (hardware, VM, and HVD) for consistency.
[20:26] <LeftFootBraker> ok, now that I've played around with this a bit, I'm getting really confused... pavucontrol was already installed on this machine. I think I got something completly wrong... -thanks for your help OerHeks, I think I have to look up everything again...
[20:28] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: Input set to line in inaudacity for all tests?
[20:29] <vfw> From the lack of response, I assume Ubuntu isn't doning it yet... Ok.
[20:30] <OerHeks> LeftFootBraker, sounds like ubuntu-studio
[20:30] <OerHeks> !studio
[20:30] <Pici> vfw: I haven't noticed that on any 16.04 install I've done... then again I wasn't looking either.
[20:31] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Checking.
[20:31] <vfw> Pici: Ok.  Well, now that I read about it, I guess it makes *some* sense.  (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//usr_move)
[20:33] <vfw> Pici: Basically, it's just abandoining /bin to use /usr/bin only, (for simplicity sake).
[20:33] <mcphail> vfw: why? They are separate for a reason
[20:33] <vfw> Pici: And the symlink is just in case something or app is looking for something in /bin
[20:34] <Pici> vfw: its kind of confusing anyway, so I get that.
[20:34] <vfw> mcphail: Yea, but  for what reason?
[20:34] <vfw> Pici: mcphail If you read the article, it kind of makes sense.
[20:34] <voron> where i am ?
[20:34] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: isn't ubuntu-studio a derivate of ubuntu?
[20:34] <galgamach> just got an HD resolution screen... but everything is smaaaaal and my eyes are getting tired. Can I do something ?
[20:35] <vfw> voron: IRC?
[20:35] <mcphail> vfw: eveything you need to boot and mount disks goes into bin. Bigger things which arent essential go under /usr
[20:35] <LeftFootBraker> I am running only standard ubuntu on all my machines
[20:35] <k1l> vfw: on ubuntu there is the stuff in /bin that is meant to be needed for the systemstart. in /usr/bin its the stuff that is used for systemwide binaries that  could be mounted afterwards
[20:36] <mcphail> vfw: thereby only /bin needs to be on the root filesystem
[20:36] <k1l> vfw: reason is: /usr could be another partition with that setup that is mounted after some initial system is booted
[20:38] <mcphail> which is how one of my boxes (with a tiny root filesystem on internal flash) has to be set up
[20:38] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I don't see "Line In" as an input in either Ubuntu or Win7 Audacity.
[20:38] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: What inputs are listed?
[20:38] <vfw> mcphail: Well, I must admit, that seems to be a reason not to do it....
[20:39] <vfw> maybe....
[20:40] <ryneke> hi everybody i have a question concerning the management of multiple keyrings with seahorse: is it possible to assign certain keyrings to certain programs? or more general: if a program like evolution is asking for a password can i tell it to save the password not in the default login-keyring but in some other keyring?
[20:41] <ryneke> if a prog is asking for a pw there's always only a checkbox to "save in your keyring" - am i wrong here or is it kind of obvious that you would like to have a choice as to in which keyring you put the pw?
[20:41] <vfw> At any rate, I jsut now discovered the concept - was wondering how many distros were doing it, and if Ubuntu planned to or not.  It's an interesting concept, maybe not for everyone but it does seem to simplify things just a bit.
[20:42] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: On the Win7 box, there is "Primary Sound Capture Driver" and "Microphone Array (VMWare..."
[20:42] <k1l> vfw: right now i am not aware of that plans for ubuntu.
[20:42] <mcphail> vfw: i cant see debian doing it, so would doubt ubuntu would do it
[20:43] <vfw> Ok, fair enough...
[20:45] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: And in the Ubuntu guest?
[20:47] <mcphail> vfw: http://termbin.com/ixlr is my old mediaserver box. No way I could mount everything on /
[20:55] <michaeldexter> Any Canonical folks around?
[20:55] <k1l> michaeldexter: depends on the issue
[20:55] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: One sec, checking.
[20:55] <michaeldexter> k1l: Official hardware compatibility.
[20:56] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Says "default: line:0".
[20:56] <k1l> michaeldexter: you want your hardware to be certified?
[20:57] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: And remember, audacity in ubuntu is working, it's just audacity in the Win7 guest that isn't working, but only when the hosting VM is 15 or 16.  It works when hosted from the 14 VM.
[20:57] <michaeldexter> k1l: Yes, insofar as Supermicro in general.
[20:58] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: Ahh. I thouht that it was the guests that had different versions of Ubuntu, not the host.
[20:58] <lisa_> hi all people
[20:58] <k1l> michaeldexter: http://partners.ubuntu.com/  it has got  a "become a partner"  contact fomular.
[20:58] <pOY> hey all, got the xps13 dev edition recently and i keep getting a popup on boot up saying that there is a problem but everything is fine, any ideas?
[20:58] <ootani> おはよう
[20:59] <michaeldexter> Thank you k1l
[21:00] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: it's confusing. Hardware is CentOS7.2, running Ubuntu VMs 14, 15, 16, all running HVD.
[21:00] <kalenpw> pOY can you click more details and post what that says? I had the same issue and it was because I didn't have something installed for my iphone
[21:01] <pOY> kalenpw: hold on ill reboot to get the box up again
[21:01] <Danielh90> I would love to switch my computer to linux but I got to many programs  that I use on windows that I love.
[21:01] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Now I'm seeing something even stranger, outside of ubuntu land. Seems my CentOS laptop doesn't recognize the headset anymore.
[21:02] <odroid> hi guys
[21:02] <k1l> Danielh90: for some programs there are even native linux versions. or linux alternatives or you can see if they run in wine.
[21:03] <Danielh90> Oh ok. I use Adobe products. Skype and load of other programs also I don't what to loose my windows 10 license key.
[21:04] <pOY> kalenpw: all it says is there is a system problem detected with a cancel and report button which freezes when pressed
[21:04] <argon__> Danielh90: Dual boot?
[21:04] <Danielh90> argon__, hmm maybe is that safe?
[21:04] <Danielh90> I may ask my dad if I can have is broken chromebook. and just flash ubuntu on there
[21:04] <k1l> there is a linux version of skype. but microsoft lost interest in making that and since its closed source software there is no way anyone could make that situation better. except microsoft.
[21:04] <argon__> Danielh90: If its done right :)
[21:05] <k1l> Danielh90: making a dualboot is safe. you just need to be sure to make a proper resizing of the partitions.
[21:05] <argon__> Danielh90: If you just want to try ubuntu to see wether you like it or not, then you can run it in a virtual machine
[21:05] <Danielh90> argon__, Do you have any Dual boot system Tutorials you recommend? '
[21:05] <bekks> !dualboot | Danielh90
[21:05] <k1l> Danielh90: or make a live-usb-ubuntu and test that first
[21:06] <pOY> *system program problem detected
[21:06] <argon__> Danielh90: I would probably go with the one provided by Ubuntu documentation pages
[21:06] <dci> Hi. I disabled my fastboot and secure boot on windows when dual booting ubuntu. Can i enable them back?
[21:06] <k1l> pOY: click on "more details" to see what exactly is having an issue
[21:07] <argon__> Danielh90: but a live boot like k1l recommended is probably your best option.
[21:07] <pOY> there is no more details button, just a cancel and report button
[21:07] <Danielh90> argon__, ok I'm see if I can't buy my dad's old broken chrome that he still has. and see if that will work.
[21:08] <dci> Hi. I disabled my fastboot and secure boot on windows when dual booting ubuntu. Can i enable them back?
[21:08] <Danielh90> I will just flash ubuntu os on the chromebook and remove chrome os
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> dci  what did the people in ##windows advice you?
[21:09] <vfw> mcphail: Very interesting layout.
[21:09] <dci> MonkeyDust : Havent asked them yet. This is my first channel. Sorry
[21:10] <k1l> dci: iirc turning that off and on after install will make that install not bootable.
[21:10] <argon__> Danielh90: good luck! If you run into any problems you can come back here and we can guide you in the right direction
[21:10] <MonkeyDust> dci  type /j ##windows, ask there
[21:10] <dci> Okay. Thanks.
[21:11] <vfw> mcphail: Very interesting layout. And you cann just pull the usbdisk and disable the computer, (no one else can use it). Right?
[21:12] <svm_invictvs> So I've chrooted into a broken install, how do I get DNS to work inside the CHRoot?
[21:12] <vfw> mcphail: ... it could also be removable ssd
[21:13] <vfw> svm_invictvs: dhclient
[21:13] <mcphail> vfw: if you wanted, I suppose
[21:13] <svm_invictvs> vfw lemee try that...
[21:13] <Danielh90> argon__, ok thank you. '
[21:14] <vfw> mcphail: or dhcpcd
[21:14] <Danielh90> the Dualboot scares me a little.
[21:14] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: do you need local DNS resolution or internet?
[21:14] <vfw> svm_invictvs: or dhcpcd
[21:14] <vfw> mcphail: Sorry, wrong nick
[21:14] <svm_invictvs> hm
[21:14] <k1l> Danielh90: resize the windows partition (from inside windows), then create the new partitions, then install into that partitions.
[21:15] <tgm4883> Also, does it have an IP address?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 No, I just need to pull stuff from apt to unhork my install
[21:15] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: ^
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 I broked my kernel :(
[21:15] <Danielh90> k1l, Thank you I think I found a solution that I will trust.
[21:15] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: wait, you're the guy in the live session from earlier right?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:15] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You need internet, right?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> I finally got that running
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> Yes, I do
[21:16] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: I would just add "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in /etc/resolv.conf
[21:17] <vfw> svm_invictvs: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >> /etc/resolv.conf
[21:17] <fbeister> Hi all, just had a look at ubuntu-16.04-server-i386.iso with correctly verified MD5 sum - /install/vmlinuz is an empty file. As I am setting up a multiboot-server, this won't work I guess. Does anybody know whom to contact about this?
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> 8.8.8.8?
[21:18] <vfw> svm_invictvs: or 4.2.2.2
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> wut?
[21:18] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: google's public dns server
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> WHat are those nameservers?
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> Ahhhh
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> okay
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> vfw I was just going to copy my resolv.conf in but I dind'jt see it
[21:18] <vfw> svm_invictvs: as the name implies they resolve names to addresses
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> I don't have an /etc/resolv.conf
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> I have /etc/resolvconf
[21:19] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You will if you create it
[21:19] <vfw> svm_invictvs: And if it exists, your system will use it
[21:19] <auronandace> !resolvconf | svm_invictvs
[21:19] <Bashing-om> svm_invictvs: 'sudo mount --bind /run /mnt/run' Maybe: 'mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /$CHROOT/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf'   else rebuild the CHange Root ' sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt - for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done - sudo chroot /mnt ' .
[21:20] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: that seems like overkill to me
[21:20] <vfw> svm_invictvs: echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:20] <vfw> svm_invictvs: sudo echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:20] <svm_invictvs> When I chroot I can't write to etc
[21:20] <svm_invictvs> wtf
[21:21] <tgm4883> you should be able to
[21:21] <Ben64> what are you doing...?
[21:21] <vfw> svm_invictvs: sudo
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> I'm root
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 May 30  2014 resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> grumble
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> okay
[21:21] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Likely so . But depending on how the CHRoot was built ?
[21:21] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: true, but this should work from the live disk
[21:21] <tgm4883> I did this exact thing last weekend
[21:21] <Ben64> "sudo echo blah > output" doesn't write as root
[21:22] <vfw> Ben64: Well, yes obviously not if you are root already
[21:22] <svm_invictvs> vfw Okay, looks like this server wasn't cleanly shutdown.  Maybe that's why it didn't come back up :S
[21:22] <Ben64> vfw: well if you're root it does
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Reboot and it should fsck it
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> vfw The kernel is hosed
[21:23] <vfw> Ben64: Yea
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> Can't I fsck it from the livecd?
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Is it the only one you have?
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> only one?
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> only livecd?
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Yes, you can.  Unmount it first though.
[21:24] <tgm4883> vfw: you can't "sudo echo blah > file" as after the redirect it's not root anymore. I believe the correct way to do that would be 'echo blah | sudo tee file'
[21:24] <svm_invictvs> YEah
[21:24] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Only kernel.
[21:24] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, the only kernel.
[21:24] <vfw> tgm4883: oh ok
[21:24] <SnowCrash> Using ssh with password authentication on an Ubuntu desktop to connect to a remote server (Debian) seems to be really slow. I only seem to have this issue on Ubuntu, is there any reason why?
[21:24] <SnowCrash> Key auth works instantaneously
[21:24] <tgm4883> granted, he was root anyway so it's moot in this case
[21:24] <argon__> goodnight, i'm going to bed
[21:25] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Well, then you are stuck with the recovery options you are working with now.... So continue
[21:25] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, basically /boot ran out of space and I used the tools to cleanup the /boot partition and I kind of forgot about it then there was a power outage and the UPS didn't keep it up long enough before I could get to it.
[21:25] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[21:25] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You must have a very small partition for /boot
[21:26] <svm_invictvs> Whatever the default is
[21:26] <svm_invictvs> I just use the ubuntu default setup for 14.04 or whatever this was when I set it up
[21:26] <effectnet> i need to figure out what partitions to put on my ssd 64g drive
[21:26] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Back out of chroot, unmount the partition(s) and fsck -y it
[21:26] <Ben64> the default is not having a /boot
[21:27] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You did *not* create a separate partition for /boot ?
[21:28] <effectnet> I am working on a computer.  it can no longer run win7 well, so it's gonna be ubuntu now :D
[21:28] <vfw> effectnet: Very good! ;)
[21:29] <David-A> effectnet: "it can no longer". has the computer changed, or did win7 change?
[21:29] <Epx998> Does anyone know what would cause / to report 100% - but after a reboot its at 36% ?
[21:30] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, fsck came back clean.  So that's good.
[21:30] <svm_invictvs> vfw I've got that going for me.  Which is nice.
[21:30] <k1l> Epx998: maybe logfiles running full?
[21:30] <effectnet> hmm well dunno but none of the browsers work good anymore anyway
[21:30] <Ben64> Epx998: open files that are deleted/changed
[21:30] <tgm4883> Epx998: could be lots of stuff
[21:30] <effectnet> i'll use a browser on win7 for less than a full day now and have to close and reopen it and it's still slow
[21:31] <Epx998> Ben64: Is there a way to check, given what this server does thats a strong candidate.
[21:31] <Ben64> Epx998: lsof
[21:31] <k1l> Epx998: "ncdu"
[21:32] <Epx998> hmm return didnt look weird
[21:32] <effectnet> has only 4g memory in it and single memory transfer for some reason, so i had to put a ssd on it
[21:32] <svm_invictvs> alright,b ack in business.  thanks vfw
[21:32] <Epx998> so weird
[21:33] <effectnet> so also will just be better to pust ubuntu on this than win anymore
[21:35] <effectnet> i could reinstall windows fresh, that would help
[21:36] <Ben64> effectnet: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:36] <effectnet> somewhat, i am curious which partitions i should put on the ssd drive, it's 64g
[21:37] <Ben64> all you need is /
[21:37] <davidmichaelkarr> I just updated by 14.04 VM (VirtualBox), which I hadn't updated in quite a while.  It now creates a small desktop area, just takes up the center of the screen.  The fonts aren't smaller, it's just a narrow and shorter display area.
[21:37] <effectnet> hmmm k
[21:37] <fbeister> FYI: Just filed a bug at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage regarding the missing file in the ISO
[21:38] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: Reinstall the guest additions.
[21:48] <ethern0t> hey
[21:49] <kisb> hello ethern0t
[21:50] <snapfractalpop> aloha
[21:50] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Anything special to REinstall?
[21:52] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: That is, do I just do the same thing that I did when I installed it the first time?
[21:53] <Newtonianb> question: I' m trying to install xdebug on ubuntu with php56. I've been trying "sudo yum install php-pecl-xdebug" but it gives me "Error: php56-common conflicts with php-common-5.3.29-1.8.amzn1.x86_64". Is there a different package I should be using?
[21:53] <snapfractalpop> Newtonianb: yum?
[21:53] <snapfractalpop> not apt?
[21:54] <David-A> fedora?
[21:54] <Newtonianb> It's an amazon AWS ec2 server, seems apt-get not installed.
[21:54] <Umeaboy> Newtonianb: Why are you using yum in Ubuntu?
[21:54] <Umeaboy> OK.
[21:54] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
[21:54] <Ben64> Newtonianb: seems it isn't ubuntu then
[21:54] <svm_invictvs> How old is 14.04 LTS?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> LIke 3 years old right?
[21:55] <dax> svm_invictvs: ubuntu versions are year.month
[21:55] <Ben64> svm_invictvs: it's in the name. came out 04 2014
[21:55] <nacc> svm_invictvs: it's in the name?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> ...oh
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> lol
[21:55] <dax> :)
[21:55] <Umeaboy> :)
[21:55] <Newtonianb> Amazon Linux AMI release 2016.03
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> .... that...didn't occur to me
[21:55] <Ben64> Newtonianb: yep, not ubuntu
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> 14.04 is supported right?
[21:55] <k1l> Newtonianb: ask the amazon support then. yum on ubuntu doesnt sound right.
[21:55] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Hmm, that's curious.  I had installed GA 5.x.17 a few weeks ago, and now the downloads page lists 5.x.16 as the latest.
[21:55] <Ben64> indeed, until 2019
[21:55] <Newtonianb> oh my bad
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> 3 years right?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> Okay
[21:55] <Ben64> 5
[21:55] <snapfractalpop> Newtonianb: that's probably not ubuntu then..
[21:55] <Ben64> 5 for lts, 9 months for others
[21:56] <Ben64> 5 years for lts*
[21:56] <svm_invictvs> So I just reinstalled my kernel, everything else on this machine is fine.  Let's see if she boots
[21:56] <nullbyte_> how can i put right panel with apps to bottom in ubuntu 16.04 lts?
[21:56] <bodom> Hi there! I have "zoomed" my desktop by mistake and now i do not know how to revert it, please help :D
[21:56] <nullbyte_> this is a new feature to ubuntu to 16.xx
[21:56] <k1l> nullbyte_: you mean the launcher on the left?
[21:57] <nullbyte_> yea launcher
[21:57] <nullbyte_> omg it is in left:)
[21:57] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: odd releases are development releases, even releases are production releases.
[21:57] <k1l> nullbyte_: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/ubuntu-16-04-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom/
[21:58] <Bashing-om> bodom: Maybe alt+middle mouse scroll wheel ?
[21:58] <Newtonianb> Ah dam ya Amazon Linux AMI is based on CentOS/RHEL thanks
[21:58] <nacc> Newtonianb: reading the amazon faqs on that AMI image, it's quite clear it's not ubuntu (mentions EPEL, etc)
[21:58] <bodom> Bashing-om: thanks you saved my eyes :D
[21:58] <Newtonianb> right, thanks sorry
[21:58] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Not sure how that's relevant.  I was on that page a few weeks ago, and the latest was 17, which I installed.  Today, at the same place on the page, the latest is 16.
[21:59] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: .17 was a development release, made publically available for testing.
[21:59] <bekks> And it was designated as such.
[21:59] <Bashing-om> bodom: :) A gold star for me ?? .. make up for the uh ohs this day .
[21:59] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: And the current release listed on that page is 5.0.20
[22:00] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Interesting. It sure wasn't clear to me at the time that was a dev release.  Note that I'm not talking about the virtualbox release, but the GA release.
[22:00] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: https://www.virtualbox.org/ - "News Flash" box on the left.
[22:00] <bekks> err, right.
[22:00] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: The Guest additions are released as part of the vbox release.
[22:02] <nullbyte_> thank you kil
[22:03] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Not sure what "part of" means.  The version numbers are obviously different.
[22:03] <bodom> Bashing-om: hehehe sure, a gold star for you :D
[22:04] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: In any case, rerunning the GA installer fixed that problem.
[22:04] <nacc> davidmichaelkarr: doesn't the sentence preceding that say to only use the 5.0.16 version of the guest additions if you have a bug with 5.0.20?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> initrd.img-3.13.0-86-generic
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> that's the version right?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> 86, that's not an x86 kernel is it?
[22:05] <k1l> svm_invictvs: thats the buildnumber
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> Got it
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> says I can't isntall a kernael because I don't have a PAE CPU?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> Wasn't PAE standard like...15 years ago?
[22:06] <k1l> svm_invictvs: what cpu is it?
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> I dont' know, but I know it's a 64 bit CPU
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> Intel something or other
[22:06] <nacc> svm_invictvs: pastebin `cat /proc/cpuinfo`
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> oh derp
[22:06] <k1l> svm_invictvs: "lscpu" will tell
[22:06] <nacc> or --^
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> nacc was gonna do that, then I realized I forgot to mount proc in my chroot
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> derp
[22:07] <nacc> that'll probably fix it, as more than likely wahtever it was couldn't find the pae extension in /proc/cpuinfo (which lscpu uses, in addition to /sys/ iirc)
[22:07] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: vbox release 5.0.20 ships GA 5.0.20
[22:07] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: There is no need of downloading the GA separately.
[22:07] <k1l> yeah. a /proc/ could actually fix that already
[22:07] <svm_invictvs> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts nopl pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
[22:07] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, doing that fixed it, haha
[22:08] <nacc> svm_invictvs: no need to paste long strings of your cpuinfo here :)
[22:08] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Really? So where do I find the GA .20 image?
[22:08] <svm_invictvs> Other than just installing my kernel, anythign else to fix a potentially hosed kernel?
[22:08] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: In the vbox package, on the official vbox site.
[22:08] <k1l> svm_invictvs: "linux-generic" package will pull in the kernel and ehaders
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> alright
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, I installed linux-generic says I've got the latest
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> update grub as well
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> Let's kick this pig, see if she'll chooch.
[22:10] <nacc> davidmichaelkarr: i believe it's packaged together is what bekks is saying. If you read the page, as I suggested, it only refers to the GA 5.0.16 *if* you have issues with 5.0.20 as a thing to try.
[22:12] <davidmichaelkarr> nacc: I now see the thing about only using .16 if you have issues.  I never noticed that before.
[22:15] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: I have vbox .20 installed, but where is the GA iso then?
[22:16] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: Just click on the "Install guest additions" menu entry, and it will be attached to the cdrom of your vm.
[22:16] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: ...as described in the vbox manual ;)
[22:16] <virtuosoj> Running Ubuntu main 16.04. I installed Ubuntu MATE desktop and uninstalled it--- however now the Ubuntu MATE logo appears when I start/turn off my computer.  How can I set it back to default logos?  Do I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[22:17] <k1l> davidmichaelkarr: it should be included in the host install of vbox. see the menu from vbox
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> vfw tgm4883  et al
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> APpreciate it
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> Everything came back up w/o any issues.  Now I learned a valuable lsesson on wh people run two LDAP servers when one fails.
[22:18] <k1l> virtuosoj: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[22:19] <k1l> virtuosoj: after you changed it run "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[22:21] <virtuosoj> k1l, thank you. any way you could give me a brief rundown of what that actually does?
[22:22] <h4Pp1e5t> hey guys
[22:23] <k1l> the first one lets you choose which theme you want (you want the standard ubuntu one back instead of the mate one). the second command regenerates the initframfs image. which will make the change work.
[22:25] <h4Pp1e5t> Hey
[22:26] <k1l> hi
[22:26] <h4Pp1e5t> anon?
[22:27] <k1l> nope. this is the technical ubuntu support
[22:27] <h4Pp1e5t> okk what channel shall i go to?
[22:28] <squinty> !alis
[22:28] <h4Pp1e5t> where do i find alis?
[22:28] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: I assume you mean "Install Guest Additions CD Image..."?
[22:29] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: That is, "Insert" instead of "Install".
[22:30] <RabbitD> anyone here a bit of an audio guru, as I have no sound on a machine that I cant get working on any OS (not an ubuntu issue)
[22:30] <k1l> davidmichaelkarr: vbox got a mechanism in the host program: click on the menu and it "inserts" a cd with the proper guest additions to the guest OS with the proper guest additions.
[22:31] <RabbitD> actually I can get some sound on windows from it if I jiggle the volume slider... which isnt going to happen
[22:31] <h4Pp1e5t> could it be hardware?
[22:31] <RabbitD> could be
[22:31] <h4Pp1e5t> give me a brief on your setup?
[22:31] <RabbitD> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c4a38093b935ef22cdc330ccbda1e1776eb367ea
[22:32] <RabbitD> not very brief!
[22:32] <RabbitD> :-D
[22:32] <h4Pp1e5t> haha give me a sec, knew to using anon os
[22:33] <RabbitD> installed ubuntu so I could blame you guys ;-)
[22:34] <h4Pp1e5t> okk and a brief of your hardware?
[22:34] <RabbitD> as i say h4Pp1e5t its dual boot and on windows i get sound if i jiggle the volume control
[22:34] <RabbitD> hardware...  its using a Conextant Smart Audio card
[22:35] <RabbitD> Conexant (pebble)
[22:35] <RabbitD> what else you wanna know?
[22:36] <RabbitD> I have the thing in front of me but it currently using Mint!   eeeek runs away!
[22:36] <h4Pp1e5t> okk, all i can think of is, corrupt driver - Maybe try updating all drivers or its the volume control+or speakers
[22:36] <hasan> hi
[22:37] <RabbitD> I've even rebuilt the driver, I thin k ebay is the best place for it
[22:37] <k1l> RabbitD: for mint issues please use the mint support. they run things differently
[22:38] <h4Pp1e5t> hmmm, tricky situation. Btw anyone tell me where to find alis? i need help finding a channel
[22:38] <k1l> h4Pp1e5t: the bot gave you the exact commands:
[22:38] <k1l> !alis | h4Pp1e5t
[22:38] <bazhang>  /msg alis list channel   h4Pp1e5t
[22:38] <RabbitD> it had a BSOD under windows once and after that... only the jiggle technique worked < if thats working!
[22:38] <RabbitD> well I could reboot into ubuntu if that would make you happier :)
[22:39] <bazhang> h4Pp1e5t, anon OS is not supported here
[22:39] <davidmichaelkarr> Ok, got it now. I still have my microphone problem in the HVD on 16 (not 14), but at least I'm up to date on GA.
[22:39] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: yes.
[22:40] <RabbitD> So should I continue my "given up" thing with this sound?
[22:41] <thon> I'm having an issue getting Clex (unable to read keyboard input) to work on Ubuntu 16.04. Can anyone give me some input?
[22:41] <k1l> didnt you confirm that its a hardware failure?
[22:42] <RabbitD> I think Dell gave up and its a Dell... so would be a bad idea...
[22:42] <RabbitD> *wouldnt
[22:42] <RabbitD> k1l: I dont really know
[22:43] <RabbitD> I would concur its a hardware error but I can get sound from the thing... so that confused me somewhat
[22:45] <RabbitD> see if I couldnt get any sound ever then Id be happy to give up completely, but the fact that there are signs of life give me hope, even it thats false hope
[22:45] <RabbitD> I admit this isnt an ubuntu issue
[22:46] <RabbitD> just looking for some angles really
[22:46] <RabbitD> or is it angels :)
[22:49] <mikeymop> Anyone experienced with qemu in here?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Please simply ask your actual question. If anyone thinks they can help then they will.
[22:51] <mikeymop> I compiled qemu2.6 from source. However now it fails to create qcow2 images. I want to know any common issues I should look for
[22:51] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Why did you compile from source?
[22:52] <mikeymop> It failed when using virt-manager and when I try via terminal it throws an error that it doesnt see the "G" to specify 20G
[22:52] <mikeymop> I want to benchmark the Virgil renderer on OpenGL
[22:53] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Please pastebin the exact command you're running that fails, and its complete output.
[22:56] <boriseto> A question, are all the unity 7 lenses discontinued?
[22:59] <thon> any chance anyone has any clue as to why I can't get clex working on ubuntu?
[23:00] <reisio> clex?
[23:00] <reisio> from creduce?
[23:00] <mikeymop> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ly1Sqq7m
[23:01] <thon> yeah, its a default package in 16.04
[23:01] <thon> its something of a fm ui for bash
[23:02] <mikeymop> Jordan_U: I tried with sudo as well just as a shot in the dark
[23:02] <bprompt_> thon:    did it install?
[23:02] <reisio> mikeymop: you haven't put -f before qcow2
[23:02] <reisio> mikeymop: so it actually thinks 'qcow2' is your filename, and the filename you're trying to use is the size, and 20gb is extraneous
[23:03] <reisio> q != f
[23:03] <mikeymop> When I used -f it asked for -q
[23:03] <thon> it spits out the following error:  clex Starting CLEX 3.15 Terminating CLEX: Cannot read the keyboard input
[23:03] <reisio> mikeymop: I doubt that
[23:03] <thon> it installs, but thats it
[23:03] <reisio> but q is not equal to f regardless
[23:03] <reisio> thon: yes from creduce?
[23:04] <thon> huh?
[23:04] <doomlord> if i have an install where i get a graphical login (xubuntu) , a guest session works, but a specific user doesn't - can I fix this by changing something like xinitrc
[23:04] <doomlord> this has all broken after i did an upgrade
[23:04] <bprompt_> thon:    so... how do you run it?
[23:04] <mikeymop> You're right, the tutorial I followed earlier used -r
[23:04] <doomlord> i can ssh into the mahcine in question
[23:04] <thon> I'm not sure the question... reisio
[23:05] <thon> I apt installed it, then ran clex from a terminal
[23:05] <mikeymop> I'll have to drop in later when I'm not over SSH to see why virt-manager fails.
[23:05] <reisio> thon: installed what, 'apt-get install clex'?
[23:05] <thon> yes
[23:06] <mikeymop> reisio: do you know where they are stored? It's not in my working dir
[23:06] <reisio> mikeymop: they what?
[23:08] <mikeymop> The qcow2 that I created with that command
[23:08] <reisio> if you do ' foo ', it's in the current working directory, at 'foo'
[23:08] <mikeymop> I executed it from ~/ so I'm poking around in /etc looking for it
[23:08] <reisio> aka ./foo
[23:08] <Bashing-om> doomlord: Login on the user account that the GUI fails, run terminal command ' ls -al /home/<user_name> ' do "you" or root own the .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files ?
[23:09] <reisio> then it'd be at ~/foo
[23:09] <mikeymop> Ok ty
[23:09] <doomlord> i'll try, thanks
[23:10] <thon> so any input
[23:10] <doomlord> root owns '.Xauthority
[23:11] <doomlord> root owns .Xauthority & .ICEauthority
[23:12] <doomlord> ok i read that i need to own that so , i guess i can fix that
[23:12] <Bashing-om> doomlord: ' sudo chown USERNAME:USERNAME .Xauthority ; sudo chown USERNAME:USERNAME .ICEauthority ' where USERNAME is the login ID .
[23:13] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | doomlord
[23:14] <doomlord> Bashing-om thanks , that works now
[23:15] <Anima> Hello
[23:16] <Anima> Is it worth updating to the latest LTS?
[23:16] <Anima> 14.04 was aight
[23:16] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | Anima
[23:16] <Bashing-om> doomlord: :) Great .. nother gfold star for me, to make amends for my uh Ohs ! See Jordan_U -> ubottu for the most likely reason why .
[23:16] <ydabba11> hi. my laptop screen is broken but i have is an external monitor. is there a way to display grub on my external monitor? i can't get bios up on the external
[23:19] <RabbitD> yes there is a way to get grub on your other monitor ydabba11
[23:19] <RabbitD> cant remember how right now though
[23:19] <ydabba11> hmm ok RabbitD . please let me know if you remember
[23:20] <ydabba11> RabbitD, i tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/712111/forcing-grub-menu-to-external-monitor-connected-to-laptop-via-hdmi-vga
[23:27] <elementaru> hello
[23:27] <reisio> 'lo
[23:27] <elementaru> can I post an url with printscreen here/
[23:33] <Bashing-om> elementaru: If it  pertains to an ubuntu issue, yes .
[23:34] <thon> I'm having an issue getting Clex (unable to read keyboard input) to work on Ubuntu 16.04. Can anyone give me some input?
[23:34] <elementaru> Bashing-om, nah just some cat pictures
[23:35] <elementaru> http://picturehost.eu/uploads/1759f978a9e5a142013fdff7dab52d36_Screenshot%20from%202016-05-19%2002:21:47.png
[23:35] <elementaru> I get this when I do apt-get upgrade
[23:36] <nacc> thon: just spun up a container and see the same ...
[23:36] <nacc> thon: let me debug
[23:37] <thon> if I try to build it from source, I get "error: CLEX requires CURSES library with a wide character support"
[23:38] <nacc> thon: this is basically unmaintained in debian, fwiw (last updated in 2006?)
[23:38] <nacc> thon: just an fyi, really
[23:39] <thon> right, but it still worked just a bit ago
[23:39] <thon> I had it work in Debian 8
[23:39] <thon> also
[23:39] <thon> it was last updated in aug 2013
[23:39] <Bashing-om> elementaru: I do not know what to make of it .
[23:40] <nacc> thon: upstream, sure, but not in debian or ubuntu
[23:40] <thon> right, but I was building from source
[23:40] <nacc> thon: ok, so you are missing some dependency, probably ncurses-dev?
[23:40] <thon> I installed those
[23:41] <bekks> thon: sounds like you have to build CURSES from source, as well.
[23:41] <bekks> thon: Can you pastebin your configure log?
[23:41] <nacc> thon: or maybe libncurses5w-dev
[23:41] <nacc> err libncursesw5-dev
[23:42] <nacc> roughly the first hit on google for that error, fwiw :)
[23:42] <thon> I've got that installed
[23:42] <elementaru> Bashing-om, well me neither
[23:42] <thon> but i still get the CURSES error when I run .configure
[23:42] <thon> *./configure
[23:43] <elementaru> I try to do apt-get upgrade, i get these strange messages, and nothing gets upgraded
[23:43] <nacc> thon: you're sure you install -dev, not the lib package?
[23:43] <bekks> thon: Can you pastebin your configure log?
[23:43] <thon> hang on
[23:43] <docmur> I want to make ssh sessions auto kill after 5 minutes of no activity. I tried setting ClientAliveInterval 300 and ServerAliveInterval 15 but if I login to one of my servers, just leave it and don't do anything, even after a hour, nothing happens
[23:44] <bekks> docmur: What is the reason for killing ssh sessions?
[23:44] <docmur> Incase they get left open
[23:44] <bekks> docmur: And why is that causing issues?
[23:44] <docmur> Several people use the servers and I don't want one of them leaving a session open
[23:44] <docmur> it's a security issue
[23:44] <bekks> It isnt, actually.
[23:44] <nacc> how is that a security issue? are they not in control of their end of the session?
[23:45] <docmur> Sure it is, if they login to th server, leave the computer, forget they even logged in, then someone sits down and has an open terminal ... that's pretty dangerous
[23:45] <reisio> it's... the exact same reason X is locked after an idle period
[23:45] <bekks> Unless your client closes the ssh session by intent, you can assume the client still uses it.
[23:45] <BookSearch> @search of a new name
[23:46] <bekks> reisio: With the difference that the ssh session isnt publically accessible - under normal circumstances.
[23:46] <reisio> you can assume lots of things, if you reduce your paranoia :p
[23:46] <bekks> reisio: :D
[23:46] <reisio> bekks: it's different, but the same :p
[23:46] <thon> so i restarted my system
[23:46] <thon> it built from source
[23:46] <nacc> elementaru: so you run `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` and you get the latest uploads? can you run those commands and pastebin the output?
[23:46] <reisio> anyone sane would approach such a configuration by regularly telling their session to pretend like they aren't idle :p
[23:46] <reisio> there's no substitute for informed users
[23:46] <thon> but I still get "Terminating CLEX: Cannot read the keyboard input"
[23:47] <mattfly_> helo
[23:47] <reisio> thon: some reason you're compiling instead of installing a binary?
[23:47] <mattfly_> ppl
[23:47] <reisio> mattfly_: 'lo
[23:47] <bekks> thon: When will you pastebin your configure log?
[23:47] <nacc> thon: looking at strace, it seems like clex is doing something wrong with the tty and erroring out
[23:47] <mattfly_> whatssup reisio?
[23:47]  * reisio sighs
[23:47] <nacc> thon: so you cn file a bug, but given upstream doesn't work, it seems unlikely to get fixed
[23:47] <reisio> busy busy
[23:47] <thon> well after i restarted, the configure log didn't throw the curses error
[23:47] <thon> which is weird
[23:48] <thon> it went through
[23:48] <mattfly_> ppl, what should i do to talk in the #hardware room?
[23:48] <thon> so I did make and make instsall
[23:48] <nacc> thon: might have need to update the ld paths, etc
[23:48] <bekks> thon: So will you pastebin an error log at all?
[23:48] <thon> well, I don't have the error anymore
[23:48] <nacc> bekks: i reproduced the ubuntu version throwing hte same error in a lxc container
[23:48] <thon> and I can't reproduce the error bekks
[23:49] <nacc> thon: you can't reprocue the *build* error, you mean
[23:49] <thon> the ./configure error
[23:49] <mattfly_> i can't join but it says that i cannot send messages to the room
[23:49] <mattfly_> how to register out there?
[23:50] <nacc> thon: it seems like a bug in clex, you are best off contacting that project, i'd say
[23:50] <bekks> mattfly_: Register your nickname.
[23:50] <bekks> mattfly_: /msg nickserv help register
[23:50] <thon> *sigh*
[23:50] <nacc> thon: you could also file an ubuntu bug, if you want, but like i said, it seems unlikely to get fixed unless the upstream folks are able to fix it (if i had to guess)
[23:51] <mattfly_> i did it bekks
[23:51] <thon> yeah, the version in Ubuntu and the upstream version are both throwing the same error
[23:51] <SchrodingersScat> docmur: looks like you could use netstat to determine which connections are ssh, then script it so that that pid gets fed into ps to get the time.
[23:52] <docmur> Ya looking like I might have to do something like that cause nothing else is working :S,  The other users don't need to be on a server for more than that with a seriously good reason, one which I'd know of in the first place
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Basically there is no reason for killing a running ssh session.
[23:52] <arooni> anyone got a twitter client to recommend for ubuntu 14.04 ?  id like something that could take over fullscreen
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Since you cant distinguish wether it is idle or in use.
[23:52] <SchrodingersScat> bekks: I use mosh to get superior connectivity
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: The original problem is totally different from using mosh.
[23:53] <bekks> arooni: the browser of your choice.
[23:53] <arooni> i kind of hate twitter as a twitter client
[23:53] <SchrodingersScat> bekks: what problem? docmur's?  I agree. I'm in the camp of never killing ssh, I'll die before my sessions do ;(
[23:53] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Yeah.
[23:54] <GalaxyLJGD> Hello
[23:55] <SchrodingersScat> in fact...I use mosh because I have the opposite problem, keep getting disconnects. but this question is done
[23:55] <GalaxyLJGD> Hi Scat
[23:55] <elementaru> nacc, yes, as I understand it's because linux-generic been kept back I got those errors, doing dist-upgrade now, so far so good
[23:56] <SchrodingersScat> GalaxyLJGD: howdy
[23:56] <docmur> my problem is that I've had two idiots keep terminal open on computers, when they didn't have to be connected for more then 10 minutes to carry out the job in the first place.
[23:56] <bekks> docmur: There is no need of killing ssh sessions. Either they are in use or they will timeout. Given a ssh client using KeepAlive, they will never timeout.
[23:56] <bekks> docmur: See above.
[23:57] <cipherman> Hi
[23:57] <bekks> docmur: And basically there is nothing you can do about it, rather than killing your ssh session every 5 minutes.
[23:57] <nacc> thon: fwiw, the src for that exit code implies it's doing some tight loop trying to read any input from the user (although it doesn't wait for anything or prompt you) ... you culd probably add debugging to the source to figure out what's going on. Could be a curses compat change
[23:57] <docmur> Not literally 5 minutes, but X minutes, I might set it to like 20 minutes, which is long enough for any job that needs to be completely on those exact servers.
[23:58] <mrrtrump> I set date and it keeps going back an hour
[23:58] <mrrtrump> whats up with that
[23:58] <bekks> docmur: See above.
[23:58] <thon> I'll do that nacc
[23:58] <bekks> docmur: Fix your client's ssh clients.
[23:59] <Bashing-om> mrrtrump: Dual booting Windows ? And Windows controls the hardware clock ?