=== IdleOne- is now known as IdleOne [02:02] gnite everyone [02:18] Bashing-om: i can irc today. should i put that off until tomorrow? [02:19] XD [02:20] LambdaComplex: Ouch ... There is such a thing as sin ... Only you can answer for abstaining from IRC . [02:21] WAIT .. Now how about those hundreds that await the words of wisdom ??? [02:38] !ping [02:38] pong! [02:43] !LTS [02:43] LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04) [02:43] !xenial [02:43] Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Read the release notes at http://ubottu.com/y/xenial [02:43] !LTSupgrade [02:43] Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st. [04:04] good morning to all [04:04] o/ lotuspsychje [04:05] hey Bashing-om [04:06] Been a good session . [04:07] great [04:07] ill start with cuppa tea [04:11] Good way to start the day . [04:11] \o [04:11] o/ [04:12] hey daftykins [04:12] another day, another local unit of currency :) [04:12] :p [04:18] hello [04:18] another stuffed shirt with another white collar [04:18] http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/17/technology/tor-developer-fbi/ [04:18] Ben64: smart look today? :> [04:19] going off your almost rhyme [04:19] hi juanmapalad [04:19] sup [04:20] i keep hearing it's already compromised (TOR) [04:20] never used it though [04:20] same here [04:21] real anonymity is being john doe [04:21] not hiding with tools [04:25] http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-steal-25-billion-from-your-bank-with-a-few-clicks/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 [04:26] this what happens when millions of people use the 'easy' banking apps [04:27] mmm, mine pushes a smartphone app... i can't think of anything more ridiculous [04:27] especially given how folks don't even secure their phones [04:29] what is a secure phone? :p [04:32] certainly isn't one, but those that don't even have a lock screen pattern/PIN/pass [04:34] not another one :/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/may/19/egyptair-plane-cairo-paris-live-updates [04:35] so weird this [04:35] do we have bermuda triangles in the sky now? [04:36] https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766 oy [04:36] seems so [04:36] morning daftykins lotuspsychje [04:37] hey hey EriC^^ [04:37] heya \o [04:39] OK, guys .. enough is enough .. calling it for this session . [04:39] aww missed 'im [04:41] ps4 or xbox 360 [04:41] those are two different generations :) [04:42] oh [04:42] what's the new xbox [04:43] xbox one! [04:44] aha [04:44] ps4 or xbox one? [04:45] * lotuspsychje takes out his comodore 64 [04:45] hehe [04:45] :p [04:45] i think which camp you go for depends solely on which you like the games of [04:45] oh [04:46] i'm more of a nintendo guy [04:46] those guys have a new console coming too! [04:46] i grew up playing golden eye, fox64, mario, stuff like that [04:46] all consoles had cool games [04:46] sega aswell [04:47] some games are real legendary right [04:47] nintendo64 had so many [04:47] mario bros,altered beast,street fighter,pit fighter [04:48] i like those oldskool luna park games :p [04:48] lotuspsychje: yesterday i tried putting the 42" in the living room [04:48] oh? [04:48] it wasn't all that bad, you can still pass on both sides [04:48] great! [04:48] yeah i was pretty bummed, i cant stand the 32" i feel like punching it sometimes [04:48] full screen smplayer working nice? [04:48] should have gotten a 40" 1080 [04:49] all the peas! all the inches! [04:49] i got a 27" HP lcd for my desktop [04:50] full screen movies does the trick for me [04:50] 32" feels like you're watching a micro tv from a distance a little [04:50] like you're looking into something [04:50] 42" is like in your face watching something [04:50] depends how far you sit of course [04:51] 32" i feel like saying hi little guy how are you doing? [04:51] then maybe smack it with a baseball bat and put it out of its misery [04:51] lol [04:51] :) [04:51] lol [04:51] d'aww poor little TV, gift it to someone in need :P [04:52] EriC^^: yeah man, sell it again, buy your wish [04:52] i really like the plasma though [04:52] dont you have a second hand website in lebanon? [04:52] there is but i dont think it'll sell for much [04:52] i always found an idle buzz and too high power consumption in plasma [04:52] i got it for like $240 [04:52] old tech getting killed off now too [04:52] it'll sell maybe $100 i guess [04:53] EriC^^: screen wash, pût in original box and ask 200 [04:53] how old is it? [04:53] months? [04:53] not worth it really, dunno what to do with it though, for the saloon i want to eventually maybe get a 55" , i can maybe put it on the closed balcony [04:53] yeah [04:54] so there's still 2 years warranty, for someones kitchen [04:54] daftykins: yeah it feels hot, yesterday it even made the living room kind of warm [04:54] hehe [04:54] but i love how there's a glass at the front of the screen [04:54] i've a 55 in my lounge [04:55] the 32" feels so cheap and odd [04:55] it's like plastic and very matte colored [04:55] the plasma feels more like an old fashioned tv somehow, and the picture feels more vibrant and warm at the same time [04:56] or...get real angry in the store and say you got wrongly informed lol [04:56] and ask another tv [04:56] lol [04:56] you said 32 was going big! [04:56] i need a 55!! [04:56] if i knew someone who worked there probably could get a sweet deal [04:57] EriC^^: there's a dutch online store with a takeover formula for phones also [04:57] 55 is sick [04:58] EriC^^: send back your 'older' smartphone and get a voucher for a new buy [04:58] i used a meter to see how big it would be [04:58] crazy [04:58] daftykins: it is a 55" 1080 samsung? [04:58] yep, 2012 model [04:58] UE55ES6800 [04:58] sweet [04:59] i got UE8000 40" also from older year (1600$) [04:59] but the blurays playing flawless [05:00] with this mediaplayer: http://www.mede8er.eu/en/ [05:00] plays all codecs and formats [05:01] up to 2TB hd you can place inside [05:01] i remember the 8000 was the 2013 model with voice control and all the gimmicky stuff [05:02] i got only 3D and smarttv [05:02] but the smarttv feels old [05:02] newer models are faster, better [05:02] wow the amount of games exclusive to either ps4 or xbox one are massive [05:02] i thought it was just gran turismo for ps4 and a couple games for xbox [05:03] ps4 seems to have more exclusive games though [05:03] not sure of quality of them though [05:03] http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_Games_vs_Xbox_One_Games [05:03] i never liked xbox myself [05:04] ps4 or steambox [05:04] i only played it once [05:04] the new controller i saw looked a little like the sega dreamcast's controller a little also a little nintendo64-ish [05:05] i have a good idea [05:06] i'll go to the store that has those dvd's i was talking about yesterday [05:06] i remember they had a bunch of games too, i think xbox 360 [05:06] if they have games for xbox one i'll get an xbox one [05:07] fuck gran turismo i'll get the gran turismo 6 for the ps3 if i want to play gran turismo style car [05:07] :p [05:08] we should sell games online [05:08] buy them from there for $5 or something [05:08] then rip them and upload them for a price [05:08] or make sketchy international orders [05:08] "used games for sale" [05:09] make a website for movies [05:09] the movienight.ws site got like 1mil for deadpool views [05:09] that's $2000-$3000 in ad revenue [05:10] thats gonna cost you copyrights [05:10] probably can put it on a local server here with some corporate line, i'll actually manually rip the dvd's [05:10] and nobody would care cause this is lebanon [05:11] risky idea :p [05:11] when i was like 14 i got the sega dreamcast [05:11] cause i heard you could rip games for it from online [05:12] alot of online services want this to happen, that users pay for recent movies/series [05:12] after like a dozen failed cd's it finally worked [05:12] i started selling them at highschool [05:12] made a shit ton of $$ [05:12] lets use the other chan [05:12] well not a shit ton, but good for a 14 yr old [05:19] !info krita [05:19] krita (source: calligra): pixel-based image manipulation program for the Calligra Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu12 (xenial), package size 7975 kB, installed size 31997 kB [05:38] bug 1583114 [05:38] bug 1583114 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Dhcpdiscover loops on interval until network-manager restart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583114 [05:39] still stable for now.. [06:03] wait, so what happens if the discover gets a response? It still loops? [06:05] after network-manager restart it just connects and stops looping [06:05] oh, I see [06:10] lotuspsychje: try setting your ipv6 to link local [06:10] i did [06:11] hmmm [06:11] now waiting for it to happen again [06:11] working now [06:12] ah I see, you actually get a link-local address assigned then it 'withdraws' it for "reason 'none'" [06:12] not sure why it does it [06:12] its not every boot neither [06:13] well, layer 1 seems to be fine if you can get it working at all, l2 is probably okay since the driver is working and your NIC seems to work [06:14] that's an interesting bug [06:15] lotuspsychje: have you tried disabling ipv6 completely? [06:15] unless you need to use ipv6 ofc [06:15] brushdemon: yes, its set to ignore now [06:16] just the other day i tore out some notes i had on how to disable the ipv6 module, from when it was separate and not in the kernel :) [06:16] 8.04! [06:16] hmmm, I'm honestly more concerned that it doesn't just fail after a few retries [06:17] old time :p [06:17] 8.04 was my very first clash with anything not windows [06:17] I'm not 100% sure on how ubuntu does it but I know that the ipv6 module in the kernel is well... a module [06:17] so you can technically blacklist it [06:18] I haven't took a look at the .config for the ubuntu kernel in a while [06:18] this isnt normal behaviour, devs should fix this by default [06:19] lotuspsychje: I'm aware, it should fail and not infinitely loop [06:19] my ISP seems to have no plans to implement v6 [06:20] my isp can't get a patch out to fix ipv6 on my modem [06:20] ouch [06:20] comcast released the patch october 2015 [06:20] :( [06:23] but you don't want to use it, or? [06:25] lotuspsychje: I would honestly go to say that it's the dhcp implementation that's messing up here based on the logs. I'm not a dev though so we can see if I was right or not once they get around to it :) [06:25] brushdemon: ipv6 ignore fixxed this for now...lets see the next days if it occurs again [06:26] well, it's an okay work around [06:26] lotuspsychje: does your ISP use v6? [06:27] i tend to fully disable it on my Windows hosts since there's no reason to bother [06:27] I wonder if it's possible that it's failing with v6 due to one of v6's auto-allocation methods [06:27] well you'd think that wouldn't be possible to fail [06:27] link local v6 should surely just assign an address itself and be done [06:27] you also have stuff like slaac [06:28] daftykins: no [06:28] dont need ipv6 myself [06:29] but you are right, there should be priority with slaac and dhcp on the client side [06:29] this really shouldn't be an issue at all [06:31] true [06:32] Morning Guys :) [06:33] hi de-facto [06:36] * daftykins stands to attention [06:38] just found out t-mobile probably is the only mobile ISP in germany which gives you a public ip where you can open ports when you choose the correct APN (internet.t-d1.de) for auth. Also it seems both vodafone and o2 employees are astonishingly incompetent, they dont even know what a IP address is, leave alone NAT or ports :P [06:38] oO [06:40] ok breakfast guys [06:40] have a nice one! [06:40] enjoy :) [06:40] tnx [06:55] but NAT is extremely old now by tech standards [06:56] well sure, they are there to sell and let people text and call - they're not network admins [06:59] they all permit outgoing connections, but usually you get a private ip in their cellular networks (like 10.x.z.z) and are with another ip in the internet (like 80.a.b.c), hence they use NAT in their APNs and you cant open ports (e.g. for reaching the endpoint via ssh or such). [07:01] my cell phone gives me a real ipv4 and a real ipv6 [07:02] ooh maybe not [07:02] looks real, but isnt [07:02] some give you just a private ip behind a nat (O2), some a transparent public IP without NAT (I read vodafone with cda.vodafone.de), but block ports, others give you a public IP and let you open arbitrary ports (like internet.t-d1.de) [07:02] that is in germany [07:02] ipv6 is real [07:02] ipv4 the phone has is 100.x.x.x, but when i go to my server, server sees 70.x.x.x [07:03] can't traceroute the 100.x, it goes in circles [07:03] can you reach a service on it (like ssh helper) when you open a port on your phone with that public ip from another computer (like your desktop )? [07:03] NetName: SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RFCTBD-IANA-RESERVED [07:04] ah, it's a small reserved section i didn't know about [07:04] NetRange: 100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 [07:04] de-facto: if i put it on ipv6 i bet it would work [07:04] "my ip" in google also handily gives you your internet facing IP [07:05] i have a server that is easier and lighter than that :D [07:05] http://ben64.com/ip.php [07:05] yeah no need for NAT with v6, but still i guess the ISPs dont want you to open ports and such, for whatever reason [07:05] ah har [07:06] wonder if there's a non-PHP way [07:06] whats wrong with php [07:06] nothing, just in case it's not on a given host is all [07:08] webrtc with stun server? [07:08] * Ace0 has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) [07:08] :D [07:09] warms my heart [07:11] XD [07:13] Ben64 http://pastebin.com/TWStyWve :) [07:13] ?? [07:14] [07:14] XD [07:15] one liner > essay [07:15] half js with webrtc (to get private ip in wlan/lan), half php to reflect public ip and headers [07:15] well the former is actually rude [07:16] also you probably can use nginx with echo module or such if you dont want php [07:19] daftykins why rude? [07:20] they call them private IPs for a reason (: [07:23] yeah, but its just displayed client side, so no leak (well except for the sdp request done in background) [07:25] i wasn't looking at that code specifically [08:12] I can't seem to get iTerm2 shell integrations to work in Ubuntu [08:12] that sounds a bit like a support question [08:12] You are correct :) [08:12] ^_^ [08:37] Found out what the cause was: tmux [10:23] good noon to all [10:24] \o [10:24] how'd the dog walking go? [10:37] i dont have a dog :p [10:38] i got 4 russian puppies :p [10:39] hi TJ- [10:40] :D [10:40] morning TJ- o/ [10:51] !iraq [10:51] !iran [10:51] !euthopia [10:51] !ethiopia [10:52] !afghanistan [10:52] bot is down :p [10:52] !turkmenistan [10:52] nah it's giving me pms [10:52] !sudan [10:52] !france [10:52] !french [10:52] i think it has me on ignore now [10:52] !info bla [10:52] Package bla does not exist in xenial [10:53] !french [10:53] pre menstrual strain? sorry to hear that eric [10:53] feel better! :) [10:53] lol [10:53] did i typo somewhere [10:53] nah just teasing pms, PMs [10:53] haha [10:54] lots of shit go over my head [10:54] the linguistic/cultural stuff [10:54] you do better than i would! [10:57] oh man almost done with the spring cleaning [10:57] had mcdonalds for lunch, i feel wrecked now [10:57] still 2 rooms to clean and maybe the balcony, so many stuff to do [10:58] i'm thinking if i can muster enough strength to carry the 42" to the living room again and put san andreas to continue watching it [10:58] what do you buy from mcds? :) we don't have any fast food places on the island [10:58] that thing is heavy as fuck it's unbelievably heavy [10:58] i usually get the double cheese burger meal and an oreo icecream thing [10:59] sometimes i get a big mac meal, i dont like tomatos in hamburgers and most of the rest all have tomatos basically [11:00] do they do the gherkin thing over there? little slice as normal on top? [11:01] gherkin? [11:02] pickle? [11:02] oh, yeah i love those [11:02] first time i had one on the larger island near here, i thought wtf? but yeah i quite like it :D nice addition [11:03] yeah pickles are great [11:03] sometimes i go and get a mcdonalds at London Gatwick airport when i pass through, i can do that at the start of June 'cause i'll be going down to Spain again [11:03] cool [11:27] hi there. who would like to discuss the state of ZFS? === JanC is now known as Guest23785 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [11:29] Hey folks [11:30] hi [11:30] not me! [11:31] i have spent all day trying to boot ubuntu 16.04 off ZFS root... [11:31] such storage is better as solely storage, with an OS outside of it [11:32] easier to fault find from and so on [11:33] yes. there has definitely been a learning curve.. [11:36] the way people were talking about 16.04, i thought it was going to be an option in ubiquity [11:36] i'll just have to use it as a seperate storage for LXD... [11:37] crocodilehunter: talk to ducasse [11:37] zfs on root is a nightmare right now. [11:37] what do people on this channel usually discuss? any dev stuff? [11:37] crocodilehunter: ubuntu stuff [11:38] is ZFS on the ubuntu roadmap for full integration? [11:39] i thought the license hassle would prevent that ever being a thing [11:39] you should move distro if you want that [11:40] do you think that we would be at a disadvantage not supporting a feature like ZFS? [11:40] ZFS is niche [11:40] crocodilehunter, what guid did you follow? [11:40] https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Ubuntu-16.04-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem [11:41] move distros?? [11:43] i tried all the guides including the one linked.. i guess it's not that important to boot of a ZFS /, but I was hoping to learn a repeatable method so i could contribute to documenting it... [11:43] as i said, run a standard root and make a storage volume ZFS to tinker [11:46] i wouldn't move distros, i am a stakeholder in ubuntu just like you. what im trying to highlight is that storage is a pretty big component of an OS, and there's no denying that ZFS is unrivalled when it comes to storage.... [11:47] yes, i guess i will have to. [11:48] stakeholder sounds like a financial connection :P [11:48] or a serious dependency [11:48] i think it's only justified based on your specific setup [11:49] ZFS isn't for everybody [11:49] not stake doesn't mean financial, i guess 'vested interest' would be a more appropiate term... [11:50] yeah [11:50] * BluesKaj has no desire to fooll with fringe filesystems just because theyre exotic and promise faster speeds etc [11:51] zfs isn't really 'fringe'. [11:51] to me it is :-) [11:51] i guess ZFS isnt for everybody, but i just thought withZFS being suggested to be used with LXD, that there would be more official docs... [11:51] sorry but to claim otherwise you can't be considering home users in that [11:52] i would rather use zfs for /home than btrfs... [11:52] crocodilehunter: second that, usage with lxd is poorly documented. [11:52] i'd rather use ext4 [11:54] considering i dont talk to much people these days i plan to hang out on irc more, and i happen to be an ubuntu user... [11:54] less hunt the crocodiles :p [11:55] crocodilehunter: what's so fascinating about zfs, anyway ..just curious [11:56] it's got a z in it [11:56] it just happens to be what i've been working on. but i was hoping to learn myself so i could contribute to the docs.... [11:57] !contribute [11:59] licensing aside, its more about LXD, than ZFS. i think LXD is a killer app that will put ubuntu even further in front.... [11:59] i'm not even aware what that is just by the letters :> [11:59] oh the container thing [12:00] but like i said, im surprised because alot of the official ubuntu PR mentioned native ZFS support and i thought there would of been more resources on it... [12:02] am i on the wrong channel? i want to contribute to ubuntu. is there another channel where they talk about projects and such? [12:02] !channels [12:02] hrmm. [12:03] there's a list of the channels on the website [12:03] i think the wiki could use some work everywhere :) [12:03] i'm concurrently on 5 ubuntu channels, but this channel is the only active one.... [12:04] well #ubuntu is the main support one, #ubuntu-server for server support... and so on [12:04] i want to get involved.. [12:04] those are the more active ones [12:05] thanks.. [12:06] actually, i used to use centos, i tried to get involved on the forums, but i didnt find them to friendly.. [12:06] no idea on a more specific one though, it's not really the kind of thing i've tried to look for before [12:07] "i have a dream".... to contribute to linux... [12:08] if the bot were working there'd be factoids i could trigger [12:08] not quite sure what's up with that [12:11] crocodilehunter: perhaps #ubuntu-devel might be right for you [12:12] i was just about to type that in... im a bit apprehensive about bothering them.. oh well, worth a shot [12:14] well, if you want to get wet , the best way is to dive in , if it's too deep you'll find out soon enough :-) [12:23] BluesKaj: :p [12:27] lotuspsychje: :-) [12:30] Hi everyone [12:30] hey sir o/ [12:31] :) [12:32] Hi pauljw [12:33] BluesKaj [13:48]