[00:41] <diddledan> oh boy: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/733094957448237056
[00:43] <diddledan> I like how they use the first three adapters even though they clearly had a ps2 port available next to the PSU
[01:05] <daftykins> ;)
[01:05] <daftykins> it didn't seem to be an exercise in functionality
[06:43] <knightwise> Morningn peeps
[06:43] <daftykins> g'morn \o
[06:43] <daftykins> another plane lost :|
[06:43] <daftykins> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766
[06:49] <diplo> Morning all
[06:51] <daftykins> \o
[07:33] <Switches> Morning
[07:34] <daftykins> \o
[07:41] <Switches> Heya daftykins, hows you?
[07:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:43] <daftykins> heyoooo o/
[07:43] <Switches> hey brobostigon
[07:43] <daftykins> all good here thanks Switches! pottering about today :) and thee?
[07:44] <Switches> Yeah not bad mate, just doing my usual, reading and drinking coffee :)
[07:45] <brobostigon> morning daftykins and Switches
[07:45] <daftykins> same here! although my coffee seems to have evaporated
[07:46] <Switches> :o time for a refill then bud
[07:46] <daftykins> >:)
[08:09] <foobarry> wow dell completly disabled one finger scrolling on  their drivers for windows
[08:10] <daftykins> o0
[08:10] <daftykins> like the edge scroll zones?
[08:10] <daftykins> maybe some generic drivers'd work if it is lacking in the settings, but it's all about two finger!
[08:11] <foobarry> two finger suck
[08:11] <foobarry> especially their implementation
[08:11] <foobarry> it keeps bouncing back up the screen again
[08:11] <daftykins> that's pretty common now, mmm
[08:11] <daftykins> touchpad on my XPS13 is amazing under windows 10 :D
[08:12] <daftykins> finally they catch up to Apple standard (i'm sad to admit)
[08:12] <foobarry> oh wow
[08:12] <foobarry> there's a hidden utility
[08:12] <daftykins> :O
[08:12] <foobarry> instead of delltouchpad.exe (the default tray icon)
[08:13] <foobarry> there exists a delltpad.exe with the one finger stuff
[08:13] <foobarry> one a need to know basis!
[08:13] <daftykins> to do Windows right, you need a nice clean install without this crap
[08:13] <daftykins> smells like a factory install to me :)
[08:14] <foobarry> i did that i think
[08:15] <foobarry> but installed some dell drivers to make all the ! go away
[08:16] <daftykins> hrmm
[08:16] <daftykins> must be contaminated! :>
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning mortals
[08:29] <SuperMatt> morning oh immortal god of the underworld, davmor2
[08:29] <SuperMatt> we offer un to you this sacrifice of foobarry
[08:30]  * daftykins helps prepare the sacrifice
[08:30] <davmor2> SuperMatt: hahahaha
[08:31] <foobarry> ..................)o)
[08:31] <SuperMatt> YOU SHALL NOT FLEE THE WRATH OF THE GREAT ONE
[08:31] <davmor2> foobarry: see how they pick on you
[08:32] <foobarry> please believe me oh great tux, i have not used windows as my main desktop for 15 years
[08:32] <davmor2> so the youtube scope on the phone list a new star trek tv series hmmmmmmmmm
[08:32] <foobarry> i notice some sour grapes on behalf of omgubntun that they didn't get a review copy of the m10 tablet
[08:32] <daftykins> indeedy! CBS trying again
[08:33] <foobarry> keep carping on about bad reviews constantly
[08:33] <daftykins> the best i could manage was an eyebrow raise in the style of Spock
[08:33] <davmor2> daftykins: hahaha
[08:34] <SuperMatt> foobarry: my guess is that they weren't sent a copy because the OEM were relying on a favourable review from them no matter what
[08:34] <SuperMatt> Joey clearly saw through that
[08:34] <foobarry> however clearly sour graps
[08:34] <foobarry> no need to search out bad reviews
[08:34] <foobarry> and keep mentining it
[08:34] <foobarry> clearly won't be considered next time
[08:35] <SuperMatt> to be honest, it looks like a dreadful device, so it should be panned
[08:36] <davmor2> SuperMatt: more the fact that they were limited number of devices, and as an insider he already has two devices that are his not just on loan
[08:36] <foobarry> awww no bash on win10 for me
[08:36] <daftykins> y'gotta be running the latest insider preview
[08:36] <foobarry> meh
[08:36] <davmor2> foobarry: don't you need the developer version or something
[08:37] <daftykins> that too
[08:37] <foobarry> what daftykins said
[08:37] <foobarry> i have build 10586
[08:37] <daftykins> good ol' stock
[08:38] <foobarry> i only wanted windows for 2 apps
[08:38] <foobarry> and 1 is n/a :(
[08:38] <davmor2> so this is the song stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
[08:38] <foobarry> is it the frankfurter song?
[08:38] <daftykins> apps? o0
[08:38] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[08:38] <daftykins> not available in my country
[08:38] <daftykins> WAT.
[08:39] <davmor2> daftykins: vmware vsphere client and Ubuntu on windows
[08:39] <foobarry> or whats that song with the fat kid rama aaaa duma eee eee
[08:40] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9mojl_MBDg
[08:40] <foobarry> thats the one
[08:40] <daftykins> nooooo :P
[08:41] <daftykins> i just read vsphere for Windows is getting canned, it's all going HTML5 only
[08:41] <davmor2> foobarry: ^ what he said also I noticed they said there was a browser version
[08:41] <foobarry> need it until web client is up to scratch
[08:42] <foobarry> the workflow on the web client is unbelievably sucky
[08:42] <daftykins> i remember playing with vmware server 1.x -> 2.0 and cringing at the web admin
[08:42] <foobarry> everything hidden under related items
[08:42] <foobarry> also keyboard shortcuts are the way to go in the client
[08:43] <daftykins> mmm that would be a pain to go without
[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Devil’s Food Cake Day! 😃  🎂
[08:44] <daftykins> ooh my that sounds like a good day
[08:44] <JamesTait> Yes, I definitely approve.
[08:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh9OzTL0iQc
[09:52] <foobarry> numa numa guy made an updated version. it was terrible
[10:00] <SuperMatt> It wasn't great to begin with
[10:09] <daftykins> wow, in my head i thought you guys were talking about Non Uniform Memory Architecture
[10:10] <SuperMatt> if only
[10:11] <SuperMatt> instead we were discussing the scrapping of the bottom of the popular culture barrel
[10:11] <daftykins> seeing that large chap sing certainly makes my memory non-uniform
[10:56] <Myrtti> reminder: change your LinkedIn passwords
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> won't matter, linked in will still find you... :-P
[10:56] <daftykins> seems so! anyone that had an account in 2012 anyway
[10:57] <Myrtti> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/another-day-another-hack-117-million-linkedin-emails-and-password
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Change you password 3 years ago
[10:58] <Myrtti> still doesn't hurt to change it again...
[10:59] <knightwise> afternoon peepz
[10:59] <SuperMatt> not yet
[10:59] <SuperMatt> someone's a little premature
[10:59]  * knightwise is not in your timezone ! 
[11:00] <SuperMatt> now!
[11:00] <knightwise> Stickler !
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they're east of greenwich and calculating local time on sundial?
[11:01] <knightwise> Me has a sundail wristwatch
[11:01] <knightwise> I call it the "whatever-i-want-it-to-be-o'clock"
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> i always liked the personal sundials from animated around the world in 80 days
[11:03] <foobarry> Myrtti: is there a list we can check of linkedin?
[11:03] <knightwise> ?  list ,
[11:03] <foobarry> leaked usernames
[11:04] <daftykins> like searchable data he means
[11:04] <foobarry> yeah
[11:04] <daftykins> so you can find out if you got nobbled
[11:04] <TwistedLucidity> Probably safest to assume "Yes" and change it
[11:04]  * TwistedLucidity hates LinkedIn
[11:04]  * knightwise lives by it 
[11:04] <Myrtti> foobarry: I always just assume mine got leaked and change it anyway instead of possibly leaking more information
[11:05] <foobarry> emails and encrypted passwords leaked
[11:05] <foobarry> As this data set also originates from the 2012 hack, these passwords are encrypted in the same way – with “no salt” – meaning they are more easily cracked
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: Too much spam from them, all I ever got was annoyance from recruiters; so I stripped all the data I could. Can't see the value in it.
[11:05] <foobarry> so if i changed it after the 2012 hack i'm ok i guess
[11:06] <knightwise> i'm a freelance consultant so .. its like the red light district for me
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ahhh....that would be different.
[11:07] <daftykins> took me a while to get that comparison XD
[11:08] <knightwise> daftykins: :) your innocence is charming
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> What I never understood about recruiters is why they ignore your preferences "Permi job, Central belt Scotlan"...can get repeated call with "Would you like a 3 month contract in London?" err...no
[11:08] <daftykins> knightwise: nah i was just thinking "does knightwise mean as a customer or..."
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> the commute would be interesting...
[11:08] <knightwise> daftykins: i'm a freelance consultant
[11:09] <daftykins> ja but the red light bit
[11:09] <daftykins> it's ok, all understood now :)
[11:09] <knightwise> https://www.linkedin.com/in/hendriksjo
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: No one could pay me enough to go back to London. Horrible place.
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> the fun the excitement and that's just finding a place to live that you can afford...
[11:10] <TwistedLucidity> Barcelona? Yeah, that I would do in a heartbeat. But no hablo Espanol (or Catalan)
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> Sorry, missed the ñ there
[11:11] <daftykins> :)
[11:11] <daftykins> i'm popping down again through Malaga for a brief work trip
[11:12] <daftykins> gotta set up a fancy WiMAX internet connection down there, very novel territory
[11:13] <knightwise> daftykins: that is cool
[11:14] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: Fancy a trip North? Internet up there is shocking.
[11:14] <daftykins> hehe, ah this is only as a consumer really. is BT's investment really low up where you are, or are you outside their net?
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> Outside I think, it's Telefonica-Movistar
[11:15] <daftykins> could be pretty cool to be such a provider, although wireless tech is probably a bit scary to work with regularly
[11:15] <daftykins> oh North Spain you meant?
[11:15] <TwistedLucidity> Aye
[11:15] <daftykins> my mistake, was thinking England/Scotland
[11:16] <TwistedLucidity> That's a different problem.
[11:16]  * TwistedLucidity glowers at VirginMedia
[11:16] <daftykins> amusingly my clients apparently lucky to have a wired landline, but they've had the ADSL service in there be down for weeks at a time O_O everything else in the area is this funky WiMAX from masts up on the hills
[11:17] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, that's pretty much my experience as well. Pay for 20Mb, get 1Mb if yer lucky.
[11:17] <daftykins> utilities seem a bit third world in general really in Spain to me :S
[11:18] <daftykins> i remember reading about the limited power consumption that Lester Haines fella from theregister.co.uk had in a place down there, and sure enough my client had the same situation - they couldn't run the AC at the same time as a hairdryer in their apartment before the current refurb :D
[11:18] <TwistedLucidity> I can see the fibre getting laid but there appears to be (skirting close to stereotype here) a certain lack of work ethic
[11:18] <TwistedLucidity> In all things
[11:19] <TwistedLucidity> I paid for urgent shipping of an item - it took a month to get from Spain to the UK.
[11:20] <daftykins> :/
[11:20] <TwistedLucidity> What is well set-up though it health care. Probably from all the conniptions people have trying to get a contractor to do their job!
[11:22] <daftykins> good to know! looked like there could be some good downhill mountain biking down there
[11:22] <TwistedLucidity> The ambulance drivers are all rally-cross competitors I think. They'll hit the forest trails and simply not slow down.
[11:24] <daftykins> hahaha
[11:25] <daftykins> come to think of it, i did say on my last trip that the southern spain look reminded me of colin mcrae rally gaming
[11:33] <knightwise> http://quidsup.net/tutorials/?p=retrogame anyone tried this yet ?
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: I've used RetroPi, which is another Emulation Station based thing
[11:36] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: i tried that on the pi
[11:36] <knightwise> but now i would like to play some classics on the xps
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> define classics, pong, 8bit, 16bit, nintendo?
[11:37] <knightwise> nintendo
[11:37] <knightwise> some galaga and super mario
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity> I seem to remember reading that the Kodi-devs were looking at adding better support for emulators etc
[11:39] <knightwise> when I can play super mario on the xps with a gamepad i'm happy :)
[11:42]  * zmoylan-pi was just looking for some old program for my psion and found my zx spectrum emulator for it... :-)
[11:42] <daftykins> it's a-me, maaaaario
[11:44] <knightwise> I just love that stuff
[11:44] <knightwise> I have a bunch of roms i found for my retropi project
[11:45] <knightwise> Outrun ,
[11:45] <knightwise> green berret
[11:45] <knightwise> shinobi :)
[11:45] <knightwise> (c64 classics)
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> i keep tau ceti, jet pac, bomb jack around
[11:55] <knightwise> https://archive.org/details/internetarcade
[12:07] <foobarry> i got a peter rabbit 50p coin
[12:07] <foobarry> apparently quite rare
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> rare rabbit.... mmmmm
[12:12] <Myrtti> foobarry: so do I!
[12:13] <Myrtti> paid £55 for it tho
[12:13] <foobarry> i was usinght eself service and noticed it.
[12:13] <foobarry> oh you got the colour one?
[12:13] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:13] <foobarry> they are worth load now
[12:13] <Myrtti> tempted by the others but I think we'll pass
[12:13] <foobarry> value will drop
[12:13] <TwistedLucidity> I have an old G-Shock is is now (apparently) eye-wateringly expensive
[12:14] <TwistedLucidity> Scared to wear the blasted thing!
[12:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:14] <foobarry> Myrtti:£250+ ?
[12:15] <Myrtti> £15 more like
[12:15] <Myrtti> judging from eBay
[12:15] <foobarry> i got the non colour one and wanted to keep it so had to put a £10 note in the machine to pay the last 10p of my breakfast
[12:16] <foobarry> Myrtti: i see a lot of colour ones going for 250-350£
[12:16] <foobarry> the non colour is more like £2
[12:16] <Myrtti> oh no, yes, 250
[12:16] <foobarry> completed sales too
[12:16] <foobarry> gonna reconsider?
[12:16] <Myrtti> what, selling it?
[12:17] <foobarry> yeah
[12:17] <daftykins> that's quite the chunk of change
[12:17] <Myrtti> oh no. It's a present for a baby not born yet
[12:17] <foobarry> aww
[12:17] <daftykins> value in things that don't serve a purpose mystifies me
[12:18] <foobarry> i.e "collectors edition" anything
[12:18] <Myrtti> daftykins: yeah we did spend a good amount of time considering would it be a good idea to buy it or not, but it's quite small in comparison to Toby jugs or Royal Doulton stuff
[12:19] <Myrtti> it's just nice to give something that's got a bit of value and a stamp of their birth year
[12:19] <Myrtti> I've got the Queen's Diamond Jubilee stamp on my engagement ring just for the sentimental value of having it
[12:19] <foobarry> my wife loves BPotter
[12:20] <daftykins> Barry Potter? :)
[12:20] <foobarry> and my kids watch it all the time (the older bbc animated series with niamh cusack)
[13:25] <daftykins> "Greek state-run TV is confirming that debris from the missing EgyptAir plane has been found 230 nautical miles west of the Mediterranean island of Crete"
[13:25] <daftykins> erk
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> horrible but at least this time they found the plane...
[13:28] <daftykins> indeed
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> and eventually most likely will find what caused it to come down
[13:51] <diplo> Anyone used https://taiga.io ?
[14:32] <SuperMatt> daftykins: it's not been confirmed to be debris from the plane
[14:32] <SuperMatt> but it's the best bet right now
[14:33] <daftykins> yeah, i'm on one of those live update feeds so it changes constantly
[14:34] <SuperMatt> I'm following the guardian, because they're very good at relaying up to date information, but keeping it within the context of what is actually known
[14:35] <daftykins> that's where i pasted it from as it goes, perhaps the summaries are better than the live
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> Am I wrong in thinking there's spate a spate of Airbuses have unplanned ground interfaces of late?
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> "been a spate"
[14:37] <diddledan> unplanned ground interface. I like that description.
[14:37] <SuperMatt> I don't think there is a particular manufacturer to blame
[14:39] <daftykins> even if there were, it'd be more a point at the airline than the plane i'd think
[14:40] <zmoylan-pi> or the sub contractor who repaired it
[14:41] <SuperMatt> The chance of it being terrorism is relatively high though. It's a Egyption flight, travelling from France, two things which have been targetted by (isis|isil|daesh) a lot recently
[14:42] <zmoylan-pi> the altitude rules out a missile as it takes a bit to get missile up there so would be spotted more than likely
[14:43] <SuperMatt> sure, unlikely a missile
[14:44] <SuperMatt> so it could be something in the hold, or a human intervention
[14:44] <zmoylan-pi> far more likely
[14:45] <SuperMatt> though I would have thought CDG would have better security than the Egyptian airports
[14:51] <TwistedLucidity> Lots on people potential sympathetic towards terrorists flight-side. They revoked access for 60 in the previous security review
[14:51] <SuperMatt> yeah, I was thinking that could be a possibility
[14:51] <SuperMatt> I don't imagine baggage handlers are well paid, and it wouldn't take much for one to be able to stow something on a plane
[14:52] <TwistedLucidity> This is why we need more education and to stop supporting despots
[14:52] <SuperMatt> JC4PM!
[14:53] <TwistedLucidity> Julius Ceaser 4 Prime Minister?
[14:55] <bashrc> SuperMatt: how many planes crash due to aliens, and how many from other causes. The probability is that aliens were not involved.
[14:56] <SuperMatt> I'm only talking terrorism at the moment because that's the direction experts appear to be looking right now
[14:56] <bashrc> s/aliens/terrorists
[14:57] <foobarry> http://www.relativelyinteresting.com/heres-what-the-bigfoot-patterson-gimlin-film-looks-like-when-its-stabilized/
[14:58] <SuperMatt> I know what you're saying. I'm a little sceptical about it being terrorists, but the chance is still higher than it would have been for any other flight, just due to the Paris/Egypt connection - it's a big coincidence if not terrorism
[15:17] <Seeker`> I think it's probably better to wait until there are some facts, rather than going "it's probably terrorism"
[15:18] <SuperMatt> again, not what I said. I said the chance is *relatively higher* than normal due to some of the circumstances
[17:24] <diddledan> oracle are out of time
[17:25] <diddledan> do they have a buzzer to tell them when to put their pens down?
[17:43] <diddledan> that's it till Monday when they'll do the closing arguments
[17:47] <Switches> Yep, Oracle are just sitting rubbing their hands now lol
[18:43] <brmbrmcar> do it
[18:43] <brmbrmcar> oh, unintended speech
[18:45] <phablet> hi, can anyone help i cant install any apps on my bq m10 as my ubuntu one login keeps failing with network error
[20:11] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:11] <MooDoo> :)
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[20:14] <popey> hello
[20:14] <bittin_> hi
[20:15]  * zmoylan-pi is currently trying to remember were i stashed my surplus wireless keyboards... tripping over them 3 months ago, now i need them and no where to be found