soeeyes i also confirm this on our 5.6.400:01
acheron88I'm EU based, so I'll be off in a sec anyway00:01
acheron88If all else fails, I'll roll up a neon VM sometime tomorrow to test00:02
acheron88To be honest, I rare ever use those shortcuts anyway. Was a bit of a fluke noticing that in the first place.00:04
soeei do not see any bug report for this00:05
acheron88OK. I'll come back to this in the morning or tomorrow evening. Hopefully can work out if it's general upstream of just kubuntu packages00:11
danniare all svg icons (with stylesheet) supposed to follow the themes preferences in this release or just the system tray Icons?02:44
acheron88kicker/kickoff bug with recent docs/history from yesterday also present in kde-neon user and dev versions http://i.imgur.com/XqkryAZ.png07:43
clivejoacheron88: feels like a KDE bug to me08:00
acheron88unless you and neon have an identical packaging prob with whatever is needed for that, then seems so08:02
acheron88have asked again in #plasma 08:03
clivejoso I see08:04
clivejolet me know how it turns out08:05
clivejohi Phil :)08:06
acheron88at least it's not a problem specific to your plasma backport, which is good to an extent08:06
clivejoacheron88: it might be08:06
clivejoFW5.22 is very new08:07
clivejoand for all I know there is a dependancy on apps 16.04 in there08:07
clivejoin which there are huge changes08:07
acheron88true I suppose08:08
clivejoKDE Neon is also missing apps as far as I know08:09
clivejodunno might be totally wrong08:09
clivejojudging by the mail on release list there been a few issues with 5.22 anyway08:10
acheron88well, some plasma devs should surely be on the latest, so hopefully they can say soon08:11
sheytan_clivejo: Heya! Is the backports ppa ready for update or not yet?08:13
clivejosheytan_: hi08:14
clivejoI dont know the answer to that!08:14
clivejoIm just a merger packager08:14
sheytan_oh, ok :)08:15
clivejoup to you guys to test it and see if I need to use more sellotape!08:15
sheytan_I did on Vbox and it was working fine08:15
sheytan_but i don't know if i can use it on my daily machine08:16
clivejoIm afraid thats a decision only you can make08:16
clivejoIm on Yakkety with it installed08:16
sheytan_clivejo: any problems after upgrade?08:17
clivejosheytan_: oh yes!08:17
clivejobut sure thats the fun in it!08:17
acheron88apart from one bug, which we were just discussing, I've had no significant probs on xenial 08:17
clivejoI had two days down time due to kernel issue over whether to have pie with it or not! 08:18
sheytan_clivejo: what were they? :D08:18
clivejocouldnt compile kernel modules08:18
clivejoie no nvidia driver, Virtual Box etc08:19
* clivejo dont like kernel stuff since working on Minux in uni08:19
sheytan_clivejo: i don't use nvidia (but i've got OPTIMUS intel +nv)08:20
sheytan_just added backports ppa08:20
sheytan_and this ^08:20
vip  4 12765 root       20   0  119M 37712  9424 R 100.  0.5  0:44.14 appstreamcli refresh08:21
vipgreat, what is that?08:21
clivejodont think its in backports yet08:21
clivejolanding I think is how far its got08:21
acheron88need backports landing08:21
sheytan_thank you08:23
SilentGhostvip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/157971208:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1579712 in appstream (Ubuntu Xenial) "Refresh hangs indefinitely, appstreamcli using 100% CPU" [High,Fix committed]08:26
clivejothat appstream bug seems to be affecting a lot of people08:26
acheron88good. I got fed up with that and apt purged appstream to get rid08:27
SilentGhostclivejo: I'm honestly surprised that it's only "a lot of people" and not "everyone"08:27
vipSilentGhost: thank you, I've just uninstalled that08:31
clivejoSilentGhost: not everyone is running Xenial08:33
clivejoand I didnt encounter that bug while I was running it08:34
sheytan_clivejo: just had to kill that process08:37
clivejowhy has it only raised its ugly head now?08:38
sheytan_just a prank :D08:38
* sheytan_ goes for reboot08:38
tahaanHello gurus.  Any idea when we will get updates to Kwin / Plasma?  I'm having much instability related to switching between single and multi-monitor mode ...08:57
mgraesslintahaan: you need an update to Qt, KWin/Plasma updates won't fix it08:58
tahaanmgraesslin: great.  But when!!!!08:59
mgraesslinI'm not a Kubuntu dev, I'm a KWin dev08:59
sheytanclivejo: still freezes when apt-get update09:00
tahaanIs there a Kubuntu-dev in the house?09:00
mparillosheytan: apt seems to be running for me: Fetched 42.4 MB in 15s (2,772 kB/s)09:19
acheron88clivejo: seems that problem with recent docs in kicker is FW22 related09:38
acheron88archlinux with plasma 5.6.4 and FW 21 = no problem09:38
acheron88then install FW 22 from their testing repo = problem appears 09:39
martHi! Is there any ETA on plasma 5.6? LTS version (and some earlier versions) is buggy (multimonitor setup issues, plasma randomly freezing). I have read that 5.6 fixes a lot of those issues.10:08
mparilloAre you willing to test 5.6.4? Are you on XX or YY?10:13
marti'm on xenial.10:28
martI could help on testing, I think it can't be any worse than it is now :)10:29
mamarleyOne nice thing I have noticed about Plasma 5.6 is that for the first time since Plasma 5, the Shut Down/Reboot options finally work correctly instead of just hanging on a black screen. :)10:35
mparillomart: I think backports is coming soon, but there are two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/157971210:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1579712 in appstream (Ubuntu Xenial) "Refresh hangs indefinitely, appstreamcli using 100% CPU" [High,Fix released]10:42
mparilloand https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36210510:43
ubottuKDE bug 362105 in Panel "Taskbar options 'autohide'/'windows can cover' not functional" [Major,Reopened]10:43
mparilloIf you think these are not too serious for you, then you can sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing10:44
mparilloBut, if this is your production machine, it is probably better to wait.10:44
mamarleymart: At least your multimonitor issue is probably a Qt bug because of Qt 5.5.  Another multimonitor-related fix was just backported recently though, but it may still be in -proposed.10:50
marti'm not affected by those issues. I have one question: how hard is it to upgrade to backports if I have backports-landing installed?10:53
mparilloThere is ppa-purge, but I simply uncheck the -landing repo in update manager (under advanced > SW sources).11:06
yofelmart: as we just sync the packages, if you were using -landing up to the point when we release the backports and switch the repository, nothing would happen - as it's the same packages11:15
martok, good to know.11:18
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BluesKajHey all11:41
clivejohi BluesKaj11:42
BluesKajhey clivejo11:43
* clivejo wonders what source builds libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev11:50
clivejo!info  libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev11:50
ubottuPackage libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev does not exist in yakkety11:51
clivejoyofel: does the package-name-list script update the epoch list too?12:37
clivejooh great12:38
yofelAFAIR at least12:38
* soee whispers ... "yofel release backports" :D12:38
yofelbug of the the day: lp 158379112:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1583791 in kturtle (Ubuntu) "xenial kturtle file-browser doesn't find .turtle-files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158379112:38
yofela reporter with humor :D12:38
clivejoarent turtles half blind?12:42
yofelyes, that's why you write instructions to tell them where to go :P12:43
clivejobut they mutant12:45
clivejoand expert training12:45
soeethey are unique not mutants :D12:45
clivejohow many walking, talking and fighting turtles have you seen?12:46
clivejocourse they mutants12:46
soeei 'seen' one  disappeared :o12:46
soeetheme song for kubuntu ninjas -.-12:47
sitteryou can litterally say anything and queue the TMNT theme song and it will fit12:47
clivejothey sound older than teenage12:48
* soee must go... doesn't want to mess with zohan12:49
yofelis kactivitymanagerd required?12:52
yofel(I feel like yes?)12:52
mamarleyyofel: It isn't installed on my system.12:53
yofeland activities work?12:53
mamarleyBeats me, I don't know what activities are or how to use them.12:54
yofelthen someone else will have to answer that ^^12:54
shadeslayersgclark: W: kactivitymanagerd source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 7: Duplicate field copyright.13:32
shadeslayersgclark: might want to fix that, apart from that uploaded13:32
shadeslayerlooked good to me13:32
shadeslayersgclark: please poke someone to approve from New13:33
sgclarkI am out today. clivejo ^13:34
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clivejowhat, who, where, why?14:21
clivejokde4libs, are they static with every release?14:22
yofelthere are still bugfix releases for that14:26
clivejoso it should be packaged up and published with apps then14:27
yofelthat should've been automatic..14:27
clivejoI dont think Scarlett run the staging script14:28
clivejoor maybe the package names need mapped14:28
clivejoyofel: have I mapped these correctly in KA?14:28
yofelmaybe I didn't check. What I read here sounded right, but we have that in so many places that it's not that easy to answer :(14:29
clivejoit definitely isn’t the easiest solution to understand!14:30
clivejobut thankfully trying to explain the proplem to shadeslayer, triggered a solution!14:30
clivejoshadeslayer is not a duck!14:33
clivejorubber or otherwise14:33
shadeslayerclivejo: no, sitter is proposing you get a rubber duck :P14:33
clivejoI have a rubber duck on my T-shirt!14:34
bshahnext time I go to QtCon, I am going to get konqui.. it will help me with debugging14:34
sitterI actually do have a duck on my desk14:34
sitterit is very handy to explain things mind you14:34
mamarleyThere are some Mallards in the pond behind my building at work.  I could go see if I could catch one of them and put it in my office!14:35
clivejomuch see if I can rob one next time Im down in TOG14:36
clivejoThey recovered a sizeable number of ducks after O2 sailed them down the Liffey!14:38
clivejothis is the one on my T-shirt - https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tog-wallpaper-black.jpg14:39
yofelsomeone should've done this with ducks :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmfu5anMSA14:40
clivejoblack absorbs heat though, surely white would be better to relfect the heat/light?14:42
yofelI was wondering that too...14:43
geniiKeep in mind that a black tee absorbs your body heat as well, white just reflects it back to you14:45
geniiThere's a reason the Bedouin wear black and not white14:46
clivejoI wonder could they make a huge umbella for Ireland14:47
geniiIs there a podcast today?14:53
clivejodont think so14:57
clivejojust party14:58
geniiBecause http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-party-3/ seems to indicate it will also be on the Kubuntu Podcast as well14:58
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Party Party !!14:58
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Exctiing14:58
geniiThe g+ link off there indicates you need an invite to attend14:59
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> You don't need an invite15:00
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> We post the events there, as we've got lots of follows on there15:00
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> We'll post the link and access details to the Party on that event page, and IRC including here at 19:30 ( 18:30 UTC )15:01
clivejoholy cow!15:16
soeeyofel: something holds us back from releasing backports ?15:30
yofelsee my question regarding kactivitymanagerd15:30
soeei have it installed: 5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa15:32
yofeland I guess activities don't work without it?15:33
soeei would have to remove it and check :D15:34
soee!info kactivitymanagerd xenial15:36
ubottuPackage kactivitymanagerd does not exist in xenial15:36
soee!info kactivitymanagerd15:36
ubottuPackage kactivitymanagerd does not exist in yakkety15:37
clivejoits new to 5.615:37
soeeand our uestionis if it is required or either optional ?15:39
geniiclivejo: Lesson for today: Tie your hair back when operating drills near your face15:40
soeeyofel: its descripton is "System service to manage user's activities and track the usage patterns"15:40
soeeand i have this service running15:40
clivejodont think I need to worry about that15:41
yofelok, then we need something that bothers to install it15:43
yofelin my last install test, kactivities gets removed, but nothing replaces it15:44
yofelshould we make that a transitional package?15:44
soeeisnt kactivitymanagerd what replaces it ?15:45
yofelyes, but it doesn't get installed as nothing depends on it15:45
soeewhy do i have it than ? :)15:45
yofeldidn't you guys debug activities for days? ^^15:45
soeeit was installed when kativities get removed i think15:45
yofelhm, not for me...15:46
yofelI'll try again later15:46
soeeapt-cache rdepends kactivitymanagerd 15:47
soeeReverse Depends:15:47
soee  libkf5activities515:47
yofelThe following packages will be REMOVED:15:48
yofel  kactivities libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils715:48
yofelThe following NEW packages will be installed:15:48
yofel  libkf5screen7 libkwineffects8 libkwinglutils8 libkwinxrenderutils8 pam-kwallet-init plasma-integration15:48
yofelso, that lib was also not required by anything else15:48
soeewhat lib ?15:49
yofelprobably only used by kactivitymanagerd15:49
yofelhm, wait, that was on the update list15:50
soeealso https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-February/049512.html15:51
geniiDoes Big Blue Button need some kind of client installed?15:52
BluesKajnot sure, probly flash 15:52
clivejoyofel: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kactivities/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive15:53
clivejothat libs Recommends: kactivitymanagerd15:54
BluesKajnot that flash is a client. most likely just the plugin15:54
clivejois that wrong ?15:54
yofelclivejo: yes, thanks, I forgot --install-recommends in my test *facepalm*15:54
clivejoshould it be a hard depend?15:55
yofeleverything's ok, I just messed up15:55
clivejogetting me all worried there15:55
yofelok, that test went fine as well, ack from me15:56
yofelor let me copy it15:57
clivejoyofel: whats your thoughts on that kickoff menu opening a recent document error?15:57
soeeupstream i would say15:58
yofelthat ^15:59
soeeyofel: will you write and announcement ?16:03
yofelmaybe later16:03
soeecan we already spread the word on social media ?16:04
yofelafter the publisher is done, yes16:04
clivejo!info khelpcenter16:04
ubottukhelpcenter (source: khelpcenter): KDE documentation viewer. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5006 kB16:04
clivejoyofel: can you see why this is failing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260753759/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.minuet_16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz16:26
clivejoseems to be after -- Checking for module 'alsa>=1.0.0'16:29
clivejo!info libasound2-dev16:31
ubottulibasound2-dev (source: alsa-lib): shared library for ALSA applications -- development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.0-1 (yakkety), package size 110 kB, installed size 531 kB16:31
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acheron88clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36333717:27
ubottuKDE bug 363337 in Application Menu (Kicker) "Recent docs/history shortcuts in kicker/kickoff fail when clicked with "Could not find any application or handler..." error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]17:27
janjan_Greetings! I am sorry if this is not 100% fitting but I just saw this channel referenced in this G+ post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/7EJzKwa2FSF regarding testing of the new Plasma release. I just installed 5.6.4 from backports and I have some pretty severe errors with missing .qml files and almost nothing plasma/widget related is working. Is this the right place to report this? If not: Where should 17:30
yofeljanjan_: here is fine, can you pastebin those errors somehow?17:30
yofel(should you see something like this, and nobody responds, send a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)17:31
janjan_Sure! This is for example the error message when I click on the K button in the task bar to open the start menu: http://pastebin.com/7PbWXiqN17:32
yofelis that all? :/17:32
janjan_Besides this I have no context menu on the desktop and in the taskbar and some widgets are not working17:33
acheron88recall that pastebin error from 5.5.5, as was some qml packages not getting installed?17:34
acheron88or at least a similar error? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35963417:42
ubottuKDE bug 359634 in unstable packaging "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kickoff/contents/ui/Kickoff.qml:38:34: Type FullRepresentation unavailable" [Grave,Resolved: fixed]17:42
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janjan_ok, I killed and restarted plasmashell via console and got a more detailed error log: http://pastebin.com/bwmEQmCB17:57
sick_rimmitHi Friends o/18:05
janjan_@acheron88: I am pretty sure I have the same problem as the one in the bug report you posted. I have a kind of frankenstein-kubuntu and there are most likely some strange versioning problems. Time for full reinstall...18:06
janjan_Thx for the link!18:06
sick_rimmitParty link18:31
sick_rimmitRoom 118:31
sick_rimmitPassword: welcome18:31
sick_rimmitPlease Share on you Social Media18:31
janjan_Just a short update to the problem half an our ago: It was indeed the versioning problem described in this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359634 If manually reinstalled some packages and now everything is working :)18:58
ubottuKDE bug 359634 in unstable packaging "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kickoff/contents/ui/Kickoff.qml:38:34: Type FullRepresentation unavailable" [Grave,Resolved: fixed]18:58
acheron88janjan: glad you got it fixed :)19:01
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SilentGhostTrying to install backports, I get this "Install these packages without verification?" Does anyone know what might be the reason?20:04
soeeyofel: ^20:05
yofelthe GPG key check for the PPA failed20:06
yofelapt update should say why20:06
soeeSilentGhost: did it helped 20:13
SilentGhostbecause the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A 20:14
SilentGhostalso, there was no warning in the GUI, until one tries to go ahead with upgrade20:14
soeeyou did: 20:15
soee1. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports20:15
soee2. sudo apt update20:15
soee3. sudo apt full-upgrade 20:16
marco-parillosoee: This morning, I thought i read that backports come automagically. It seemed wrong to me. I always had to add the repo.20:17
SilentGhostno, I just added deb line via gui, there wasn't any prompts for key, but I'll do it in the command line now20:17
soeemarco-parillo: yes you have to add them20:17
marco-parilloTY. Now I know my memory was not failing.20:18
soeemarco-parillo: can you update our social channels with some announcement ?20:18
SilentGhostsoee: yes, everything seem to work in command line20:18
marco-parilloI can put it on the wire, but if it goes to kubuntu news, then I get complaints from planet subscribers that they get the same notice twice.20:19
soeeah, ok :)20:20
marco-parillosoee: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=95020:25
soeemparillo: thank you20:26
* soee has SanDisk SSD to mount in his PC and install Kubuntu 16.0420:27
marco-parilloI also shared your G+ Post: https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/btwC7PJnpoK20:34
* soee installing 16.04 on his PC21:17
soee_smooth installation of 16.04 on my PC and than upgrade to Plasma 5.6.4 :)22:28
clivejoanyone about?22:55
* valorie is about to head outside for a bit of sun23:02
valoriehow are you, clivejo?23:02
clivejohi, Im ok, just on a come down after the party23:02
clivejothey all left me :(23:02
IrcsomeBot<marcinsagol> :)23:03
* valorie missed the party, sorry23:03
valoriewas not in the mood for a party23:03
clivejototally understandable valorie23:03
clivejohow are you ?23:03
valoriegetting all the billing done for publishing the obit, etc.23:05
valorieno fun23:05
* clivejo hugs valorie23:25
valoriety clivejo23:34
valorieeek, better get outside before the sunshine disappears23:34
clivejoyeah, get out in the fresh air23:36

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