[00:01] yes i also confirm this on our 5.6.4 [00:01] I'm EU based, so I'll be off in a sec anyway [00:02] If all else fails, I'll roll up a neon VM sometime tomorrow to test [00:04] To be honest, I rare ever use those shortcuts anyway. Was a bit of a fluke noticing that in the first place. [00:05] i do not see any bug report for this [00:11] OK. I'll come back to this in the morning or tomorrow evening. Hopefully can work out if it's general upstream of just kubuntu packages [02:44] are all svg icons (with stylesheet) supposed to follow the themes preferences in this release or just the system tray Icons? [07:27] morning [07:38] hi [07:43] kicker/kickoff bug with recent docs/history from yesterday also present in kde-neon user and dev versions http://i.imgur.com/XqkryAZ.png [08:00] acheron88: feels like a KDE bug to me [08:02] unless you and neon have an identical packaging prob with whatever is needed for that, then seems so [08:03] have asked again in #plasma [08:04] so I see [08:05] let me know how it turns out [08:06] moin [08:06] hi Phil :) [08:06] at least it's not a problem specific to your plasma backport, which is good to an extent [08:06] acheron88: it might be [08:07] FW5.22 is very new [08:07] and for all I know there is a dependancy on apps 16.04 in there [08:07] in which there are huge changes [08:08] true I suppose [08:09] KDE Neon is also missing apps as far as I know [08:09] dunno might be totally wrong [08:10] judging by the mail on release list there been a few issues with 5.22 anyway [08:11] well, some plasma devs should surely be on the latest, so hopefully they can say soon [08:13] true [08:13] clivejo: Heya! Is the backports ppa ready for update or not yet? [08:14] sheytan_: hi [08:14] I dont know the answer to that! [08:14] Im just a merger packager [08:15] oh, ok :) [08:15] up to you guys to test it and see if I need to use more sellotape! [08:15] I did on Vbox and it was working fine [08:16] but i don't know if i can use it on my daily machine [08:16] Im afraid thats a decision only you can make [08:16] Im on Yakkety with it installed [08:17] clivejo: any problems after upgrade? [08:17] sheytan_: oh yes! [08:17] but sure thats the fun in it! [08:17] apart from one bug, which we were just discussing, I've had no significant probs on xenial [08:18] I had two days down time due to kernel issue over whether to have pie with it or not! [08:18] clivejo: what were they? :D [08:18] couldnt compile kernel modules [08:19] ie no nvidia driver, Virtual Box etc [08:19] * clivejo dont like kernel stuff since working on Minux in uni [08:20] clivejo: i don't use nvidia (but i've got OPTIMUS intel +nv) [08:20] http://imgur.com/aoaC9xd [08:20] just added backports ppa [08:20] and this ^ [08:21] 4 12765 root 20 0 119M 37712 9424 R 100. 0.5 0:44.14 appstreamcli refresh [08:21] great, what is that? [08:21] dont think its in backports yet [08:21] landing I think is how far its got [08:21] need backports landing [08:22] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing [08:23] thank you [08:26] vip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712 [08:26] Launchpad bug 1579712 in appstream (Ubuntu Xenial) "Refresh hangs indefinitely, appstreamcli using 100% CPU" [High,Fix committed] [08:26] that appstream bug seems to be affecting a lot of people [08:27] good. I got fed up with that and apt purged appstream to get rid [08:27] clivejo: I'm honestly surprised that it's only "a lot of people" and not "everyone" [08:31] SilentGhost: thank you, I've just uninstalled that [08:33] SilentGhost: not everyone is running Xenial [08:34] and I didnt encounter that bug while I was running it [08:37] clivejo: just had to kill that process [08:38] why has it only raised its ugly head now? [08:38] just a prank :D [08:38] * sheytan_ goes for reboot [08:57] Hello gurus. Any idea when we will get updates to Kwin / Plasma? I'm having much instability related to switching between single and multi-monitor mode ... [08:58] tahaan: you need an update to Qt, KWin/Plasma updates won't fix it [08:59] mgraesslin: great. But when!!!! [08:59] I'm not a Kubuntu dev, I'm a KWin dev [09:00] clivejo: still freezes when apt-get update [09:00] Is there a Kubuntu-dev in the house? [09:19] sheytan: apt seems to be running for me: Fetched 42.4 MB in 15s (2,772 kB/s) [09:38] clivejo: seems that problem with recent docs in kicker is FW22 related [09:38] archlinux with plasma 5.6.4 and FW 21 = no problem [09:39] then install FW 22 from their testing repo = problem appears [10:08] Hi! Is there any ETA on plasma 5.6? LTS version (and some earlier versions) is buggy (multimonitor setup issues, plasma randomly freezing). I have read that 5.6 fixes a lot of those issues. [10:13] Are you willing to test 5.6.4? Are you on XX or YY? [10:28] i'm on xenial. [10:29] I could help on testing, I think it can't be any worse than it is now :) [10:35] One nice thing I have noticed about Plasma 5.6 is that for the first time since Plasma 5, the Shut Down/Reboot options finally work correctly instead of just hanging on a black screen. :) [10:42] mart: I think backports is coming soon, but there are two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712 [10:42] Launchpad bug 1579712 in appstream (Ubuntu Xenial) "Refresh hangs indefinitely, appstreamcli using 100% CPU" [High,Fix released] [10:43] and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105 [10:43] KDE bug 362105 in Panel "Taskbar options 'autohide'/'windows can cover' not functional" [Major,Reopened] [10:44] If you think these are not too serious for you, then you can sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing [10:44] But, if this is your production machine, it is probably better to wait. [10:50] mart: At least your multimonitor issue is probably a Qt bug because of Qt 5.5. Another multimonitor-related fix was just backported recently though, but it may still be in -proposed. [10:53] i'm not affected by those issues. I have one question: how hard is it to upgrade to backports if I have backports-landing installed? [11:06] There is ppa-purge, but I simply uncheck the -landing repo in update manager (under advanced > SW sources). [11:15] mart: as we just sync the packages, if you were using -landing up to the point when we release the backports and switch the repository, nothing would happen - as it's the same packages [11:18] ok, good to know. === Guest65617 is now known as alvesadrian === alvesadrian is now known as adrian- === adrian- is now known as adrian1 === adrian1 is now known as adrian121 === adrian121 is now known as alvesadrian [11:41] Hey all [11:42] hi BluesKaj [11:43] hey clivejo [11:50] * clivejo wonders what source builds libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev [11:50] !info libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev [11:51] Package libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev does not exist in yakkety [11:51] useful [12:37] yofel: does the package-name-list script update the epoch list too? [12:37] no [12:38] oh great [12:38] AFAIR at least [12:38] * soee whispers ... "yofel release backports" :D [12:38] bug of the the day: lp 1583791 [12:38] Launchpad bug 1583791 in kturtle (Ubuntu) "xenial kturtle file-browser doesn't find .turtle-files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583791 [12:38] a reporter with humor :D [12:42] arent turtles half blind? [12:43] yes, that's why you write instructions to tell them where to go :P [12:44] LOL [12:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxVWT_oXfLc [12:45] but they mutant [12:45] and expert training [12:45] they are unique not mutants :D [12:46] how many walking, talking and fighting turtles have you seen? [12:46] course they mutants [12:46] i 'seen' one disappeared :o [12:46] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojx9BDpJks [12:47] ;D [12:47] theme song for kubuntu ninjas -.- [12:47] you can litterally say anything and queue the TMNT theme song and it will fit [12:48] they sound older than teenage [12:49] * soee must go... doesn't want to mess with zohan [12:52] is kactivitymanagerd required? [12:52] (I feel like yes?) [12:53] yofel: It isn't installed on my system. [12:53] and activities work? [12:54] Beats me, I don't know what activities are or how to use them. [12:54] then someone else will have to answer that ^^ [13:32] sgclark: W: kactivitymanagerd source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 7: Duplicate field copyright. [13:32] sgclark: might want to fix that, apart from that uploaded [13:32] looked good to me [13:33] sgclark: please poke someone to approve from New [13:34] I am out today. clivejo ^ === Guest67500 is now known as adrian [14:21] what, who, where, why? [14:22] kde4libs, are they static with every release? [14:26] there are still bugfix releases for that [14:27] so it should be packaged up and published with apps then [14:27] that should've been automatic.. [14:28] I dont think Scarlett run the staging script [14:28] or maybe the package names need mapped [14:28] yofel: have I mapped these correctly in KA? [14:29] maybe I didn't check. What I read here sounded right, but we have that in so many places that it's not that easy to answer :( [14:30] it definitely isn’t the easiest solution to understand! [14:30] but thankfully trying to explain the proplem to shadeslayer, triggered a solution! [14:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging [14:33] :O [14:33] shadeslayer is not a duck! [14:33] rubber or otherwise [14:33] quack! [14:33] clivejo: no, sitter is proposing you get a rubber duck :P [14:34] yup [14:34] I have a rubber duck on my T-shirt! [14:34] next time I go to QtCon, I am going to get konqui.. it will help me with debugging [14:34] I actually do have a duck on my desk [14:34] it is very handy to explain things mind you [14:35] yeah [14:35] There are some Mallards in the pond behind my building at work. I could go see if I could catch one of them and put it in my office! [14:35] https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/gallery/christmas-craft-night-2012/p1040110.jpg [14:36] much see if I can rob one next time Im down in TOG [14:36] must [14:37] https://imgur.com/IppKJ [14:38] They recovered a sizeable number of ducks after O2 sailed them down the Liffey! [14:38] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE7fSxeISpI [14:39] this is the one on my T-shirt - https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tog-wallpaper-black.jpg [14:40] someone should've done this with ducks :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmfu5anMSA [14:41] weird [14:42] black absorbs heat though, surely white would be better to relfect the heat/light? [14:43] I was wondering that too... [14:45] Keep in mind that a black tee absorbs your body heat as well, white just reflects it back to you [14:46] There's a reason the Bedouin wear black and not white [14:47] I wonder could they make a huge umbella for Ireland [14:48] lol [14:53] Is there a podcast today? [14:57] dont think so [14:58] just party [14:58] Because http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-party-3/ seems to indicate it will also be on the Kubuntu Podcast as well [14:58] Party Party !! [14:58] Exctiing [14:59] The g+ link off there indicates you need an invite to attend [15:00] You don't need an invite [15:00] We post the events there, as we've got lots of follows on there [15:01] We'll post the link and access details to the Party on that event page, and IRC including here at 19:30 ( 18:30 UTC ) [15:01] OK [15:16] holy cow! [15:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0M5H8UuHI [15:28] back [15:30] yofel: something holds us back from releasing backports ? [15:30] see my question regarding kactivitymanagerd [15:32] i have it installed: 5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa [15:33] and I guess activities don't work without it? [15:34] i would have to remove it and check :D [15:36] !info kactivitymanagerd xenial [15:36] Package kactivitymanagerd does not exist in xenial [15:36] !info kactivitymanagerd [15:37] Package kactivitymanagerd does not exist in yakkety [15:37] its new to 5.6 [15:37] https://github.com/KDE/kactivitymanagerd [15:39] and our uestionis if it is required or either optional ? [15:40] clivejo: Lesson for today: Tie your hair back when operating drills near your face [15:40] yofel: its descripton is "System service to manage user's activities and track the usage patterns" [15:40] and i have this service running [15:41] dont think I need to worry about that [15:43] ok, then we need something that bothers to install it [15:44] in my last install test, kactivities gets removed, but nothing replaces it [15:44] should we make that a transitional package? [15:45] isnt kactivitymanagerd what replaces it ? [15:45] yes, but it doesn't get installed as nothing depends on it [15:45] why do i have it than ? :) [15:45] didn't you guys debug activities for days? ^^ [15:45] it was installed when kativities get removed i think [15:46] hm, not for me... [15:46] I'll try again later [15:47] apt-cache rdepends kactivitymanagerd [15:47] kactivitymanagerd [15:47] Reverse Depends: [15:47] libkf5activities5 [15:48] The following packages will be REMOVED: [15:48] kactivities libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils7 [15:48] The following NEW packages will be installed: [15:48] libkf5screen7 libkwineffects8 libkwinglutils8 libkwinxrenderutils8 pam-kwallet-init plasma-integration [15:48] so, that lib was also not required by anything else [15:49] what lib ? [15:49] libkf5activities5 [15:49] probably only used by kactivitymanagerd [15:50] hm, wait, that was on the update list [15:51] also https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-February/049512.html [15:52] Does Big Blue Button need some kind of client installed? [15:52] not sure, probly flash [15:53] yofel: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kactivities/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive [15:54] that libs Recommends: kactivitymanagerd [15:54] *sigh* [15:54] friday [15:54] not that flash is a client. most likely just the plugin [15:54] is that wrong ? [15:54] clivejo: yes, thanks, I forgot --install-recommends in my test *facepalm* [15:54] ~.~ [15:55] should it be a hard depend? [15:55] no [15:55] everything's ok, I just messed up [15:55] phew [15:55] getting me all worried there [15:56] ok, that test went fine as well, ack from me [15:57] or let me copy it [15:57] https://youtu.be/fV5TZyUMVsM?t=37s [15:57] yofel: whats your thoughts on that kickoff menu opening a recent document error? [15:58] upstream i would say [15:59] that ^ [16:01] copying [16:03] yofel: will you write and announcement ? [16:03] *an [16:03] maybe later [16:04] can we already spread the word on social media ? [16:04] after the publisher is done, yes [16:04] !info khelpcenter [16:04] khelpcenter (source: khelpcenter): KDE documentation viewer. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5006 kB [16:26] yofel: can you see why this is failing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260753759/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.minuet_16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz [16:29] seems to be after -- Checking for module 'alsa>=1.0.0' [16:31] ah [16:31] libasound2-dev [16:31] !info libasound2-dev [16:31] libasound2-dev (source: alsa-lib): shared library for ALSA applications -- development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.0-1 (yakkety), package size 110 kB, installed size 531 kB === Guest59880 is now known as adrian [17:27] clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363337 [17:27] KDE bug 363337 in Application Menu (Kicker) "Recent docs/history shortcuts in kicker/kickoff fail when clicked with "Could not find any application or handler..." error" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [17:30] Greetings! I am sorry if this is not 100% fitting but I just saw this channel referenced in this G+ post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/7EJzKwa2FSF regarding testing of the new Plasma release. I just installed 5.6.4 from backports and I have some pretty severe errors with missing .qml files and almost nothing plasma/widget related is working. Is this the right place to report this? If not: Where should [17:30] janjan_: here is fine, can you pastebin those errors somehow? [17:31] (should you see something like this, and nobody responds, send a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com) [17:32] Sure! This is for example the error message when I click on the K button in the task bar to open the start menu: http://pastebin.com/7PbWXiqN [17:32] is that all? :/ [17:33] Besides this I have no context menu on the desktop and in the taskbar and some widgets are not working [17:34] recall that pastebin error from 5.5.5, as was some qml packages not getting installed? [17:42] or at least a similar error? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359634 [17:42] KDE bug 359634 in unstable packaging "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kickoff/contents/ui/Kickoff.qml:38:34: Type FullRepresentation unavailable" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [17:57] ok, I killed and restarted plasmashell via console and got a more detailed error log: http://pastebin.com/bwmEQmCB [18:05] Hi Friends o/ [18:06] @acheron88: I am pretty sure I have the same problem as the one in the bug report you posted. I have a kind of frankenstein-kubuntu and there are most likely some strange versioning problems. Time for full reinstall... [18:06] Thx for the link! [18:31] Party link [18:31] http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ [18:31] Room 1 [18:31] Password: welcome [18:31] Please Share on you Social Media [18:58] Just a short update to the problem half an our ago: It was indeed the versioning problem described in this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359634 If manually reinstalled some packages and now everything is working :) [18:58] KDE bug 359634 in unstable packaging "Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.kickoff/contents/ui/Kickoff.qml:38:34: Type FullRepresentation unavailable" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] [19:01] janjan: glad you got it fixed :) === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety open, happy hacking | Plasma 5.6.4 Y/STAGING X/BACKPORTS -- Apps 16.04.01 Y/WIP -- FW 5.22 Y/STAGING X/BACKPORTS| https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Yakkety open, happy hacking | Plasma 5.6.4 Y-STAGING, X-BACKPORTS / Apps 16.04.01 Y-WIP / FW 5.22 Y-STAGING, X-BACKPORTS| https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging [20:04] Trying to install backports, I get this "Install these packages without verification?" Does anyone know what might be the reason? [20:05] yofel: ^ [20:06] the GPG key check for the PPA failed [20:06] apt update should say why [20:13] SilentGhost: did it helped [20:14] because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A [20:14] also, there was no warning in the GUI, until one tries to go ahead with upgrade [20:15] you did: [20:15] 1. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [20:15] 2. sudo apt update [20:16] 3. sudo apt full-upgrade [20:16] ? [20:17] soee: This morning, I thought i read that backports come automagically. It seemed wrong to me. I always had to add the repo. [20:17] no, I just added deb line via gui, there wasn't any prompts for key, but I'll do it in the command line now [20:17] marco-parillo: yes you have to add them [20:18] TY. Now I know my memory was not failing. [20:18] marco-parillo: can you update our social channels with some announcement ? [20:18] soee: yes, everything seem to work in command line [20:19] I can put it on the wire, but if it goes to kubuntu news, then I get complaints from planet subscribers that they get the same notice twice. [20:20] ah, ok :) [20:25] soee: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=950 [20:26] mparillo: thank you [20:27] * soee has SanDisk SSD to mount in his PC and install Kubuntu 16.04 [20:34] I also shared your G+ Post: https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/btwC7PJnpoK [21:17] * soee installing 16.04 on his PC [22:27] done [22:28] smooth installation of 16.04 on my PC and than upgrade to Plasma 5.6.4 :) [22:55] anyone about? [23:02] * valorie is about to head outside for a bit of sun [23:02] how are you, clivejo? [23:02] hi, Im ok, just on a come down after the party [23:02] they all left me :( [23:03] :) [23:03] * valorie missed the party, sorry [23:03] was not in the mood for a party [23:03] totally understandable valorie [23:03] how are you ? [23:05] alive [23:05] getting all the billing done for publishing the obit, etc. [23:05] no fun [23:25] * clivejo hugs valorie [23:34] ty clivejo [23:34] eek, better get outside before the sunshine disappears [23:36] yeah, get out in the fresh air