[00:01] <soee> yes i also confirm this on our 5.6.4
[00:01] <acheron88> I'm EU based, so I'll be off in a sec anyway
[00:02] <acheron88> If all else fails, I'll roll up a neon VM sometime tomorrow to test
[00:04] <acheron88> To be honest, I rare ever use those shortcuts anyway. Was a bit of a fluke noticing that in the first place.
[00:05] <soee> i do not see any bug report for this
[00:11] <acheron88> OK. I'll come back to this in the morning or tomorrow evening. Hopefully can work out if it's general upstream of just kubuntu packages
[02:44] <danni> are all svg icons (with stylesheet) supposed to follow the themes preferences in this release or just the system tray Icons?
[07:27] <acheron88> morning
[07:38] <allee> hi
[07:43] <acheron88> kicker/kickoff bug with recent docs/history from yesterday also present in kde-neon user and dev versions http://i.imgur.com/XqkryAZ.png
[08:00] <clivejo> acheron88: feels like a KDE bug to me
[08:02] <acheron88> unless you and neon have an identical packaging prob with whatever is needed for that, then seems so
[08:03] <acheron88> have asked again in #plasma 
[08:04] <clivejo> so I see
[08:05] <clivejo> let me know how it turns out
[08:06] <yofel> moin
[08:06] <clivejo> hi Phil :)
[08:06] <acheron88> at least it's not a problem specific to your plasma backport, which is good to an extent
[08:06] <clivejo> acheron88: it might be
[08:07] <clivejo> FW5.22 is very new
[08:07] <clivejo> and for all I know there is a dependancy on apps 16.04 in there
[08:07] <clivejo> in which there are huge changes
[08:08] <acheron88> true I suppose
[08:09] <clivejo> KDE Neon is also missing apps as far as I know
[08:09] <clivejo> dunno might be totally wrong
[08:10] <clivejo> judging by the mail on release list there been a few issues with 5.22 anyway
[08:11] <acheron88> well, some plasma devs should surely be on the latest, so hopefully they can say soon
[08:13] <clivejo> true
[08:13] <sheytan_> clivejo: Heya! Is the backports ppa ready for update or not yet?
[08:14] <clivejo> sheytan_: hi
[08:14] <clivejo> I dont know the answer to that!
[08:14] <clivejo> Im just a merger packager
[08:15] <sheytan_> oh, ok :)
[08:15] <clivejo> up to you guys to test it and see if I need to use more sellotape!
[08:15] <sheytan_> I did on Vbox and it was working fine
[08:16] <sheytan_> but i don't know if i can use it on my daily machine
[08:16] <clivejo> Im afraid thats a decision only you can make
[08:16] <clivejo> Im on Yakkety with it installed
[08:17] <sheytan_> clivejo: any problems after upgrade?
[08:17] <clivejo> sheytan_: oh yes!
[08:17] <clivejo> but sure thats the fun in it!
[08:17] <acheron88> apart from one bug, which we were just discussing, I've had no significant probs on xenial 
[08:18] <clivejo> I had two days down time due to kernel issue over whether to have pie with it or not! 
[08:18] <sheytan_> clivejo: what were they? :D
[08:18] <clivejo> couldnt compile kernel modules
[08:19] <clivejo> ie no nvidia driver, Virtual Box etc
[08:19]  * clivejo dont like kernel stuff since working on Minux in uni
[08:20] <sheytan_> clivejo: i don't use nvidia (but i've got OPTIMUS intel +nv)
[08:20] <sheytan_> http://imgur.com/aoaC9xd
[08:20] <sheytan_> just added backports ppa
[08:20] <sheytan_> and this ^
[08:21] <vip>   4 12765 root       20   0  119M 37712  9424 R 100.  0.5  0:44.14 appstreamcli refresh
[08:21] <vip> great, what is that?
[08:21] <clivejo> dont think its in backports yet
[08:21] <clivejo> landing I think is how far its got
[08:21] <acheron88> need backports landing
[08:22] <acheron88> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing
[08:23] <sheytan_> thank you
[08:26] <SilentGhost> vip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[08:26] <clivejo> that appstream bug seems to be affecting a lot of people
[08:27] <acheron88> good. I got fed up with that and apt purged appstream to get rid
[08:27] <SilentGhost> clivejo: I'm honestly surprised that it's only "a lot of people" and not "everyone"
[08:31] <vip> SilentGhost: thank you, I've just uninstalled that
[08:33] <clivejo> SilentGhost: not everyone is running Xenial
[08:34] <clivejo> and I didnt encounter that bug while I was running it
[08:37] <sheytan_> clivejo: just had to kill that process
[08:38] <clivejo> why has it only raised its ugly head now?
[08:38] <sheytan_> just a prank :D
[08:38]  * sheytan_ goes for reboot
[08:57] <tahaan> Hello gurus.  Any idea when we will get updates to Kwin / Plasma?  I'm having much instability related to switching between single and multi-monitor mode ...
[08:58] <mgraesslin> tahaan: you need an update to Qt, KWin/Plasma updates won't fix it
[08:59] <tahaan> mgraesslin: great.  But when!!!!
[08:59] <mgraesslin> I'm not a Kubuntu dev, I'm a KWin dev
[09:00] <sheytan> clivejo: still freezes when apt-get update
[09:00] <tahaan> Is there a Kubuntu-dev in the house?
[09:19] <mparillo> sheytan: apt seems to be running for me: Fetched 42.4 MB in 15s (2,772 kB/s)
[09:38] <acheron88> clivejo: seems that problem with recent docs in kicker is FW22 related
[09:38] <acheron88> archlinux with plasma 5.6.4 and FW 21 = no problem
[09:39] <acheron88> then install FW 22 from their testing repo = problem appears 
[10:08] <mart> Hi! Is there any ETA on plasma 5.6? LTS version (and some earlier versions) is buggy (multimonitor setup issues, plasma randomly freezing). I have read that 5.6 fixes a lot of those issues.
[10:13] <mparillo> Are you willing to test 5.6.4? Are you on XX or YY?
[10:28] <mart> i'm on xenial.
[10:29] <mart> I could help on testing, I think it can't be any worse than it is now :)
[10:35] <mamarley> One nice thing I have noticed about Plasma 5.6 is that for the first time since Plasma 5, the Shut Down/Reboot options finally work correctly instead of just hanging on a black screen. :)
[10:42] <mparillo> mart: I think backports is coming soon, but there are two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[10:43] <mparillo> and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
[10:44] <mparillo> If you think these are not too serious for you, then you can sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[10:44] <mparillo> But, if this is your production machine, it is probably better to wait.
[10:50] <mamarley> mart: At least your multimonitor issue is probably a Qt bug because of Qt 5.5.  Another multimonitor-related fix was just backported recently though, but it may still be in -proposed.
[10:53] <mart> i'm not affected by those issues. I have one question: how hard is it to upgrade to backports if I have backports-landing installed?
[11:06] <mparillo> There is ppa-purge, but I simply uncheck the -landing repo in update manager (under advanced > SW sources).
[11:15] <yofel> mart: as we just sync the packages, if you were using -landing up to the point when we release the backports and switch the repository, nothing would happen - as it's the same packages
[11:18] <mart> ok, good to know.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:42] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:43] <BluesKaj> hey clivejo
[11:50]  * clivejo wonders what source builds  libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev
[11:50] <clivejo> !info  libkf5kdepimdbusinterfaces-dev
[11:51] <clivejo> useful
[12:37] <clivejo> yofel: does the package-name-list script update the epoch list too?
[12:37] <yofel> no
[12:38] <clivejo> oh great
[12:38] <yofel> AFAIR at least
[12:38]  * soee whispers ... "yofel release backports" :D
[12:38] <yofel> bug of the the day: lp 1583791
[12:38] <yofel> a reporter with humor :D
[12:42] <clivejo> arent turtles half blind?
[12:43] <yofel> yes, that's why you write instructions to tell them where to go :P
[12:44] <clivejo> LOL
[12:44] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxVWT_oXfLc
[12:45] <clivejo> but they mutant
[12:45] <clivejo> and expert training
[12:45] <soee> they are unique not mutants :D
[12:46] <clivejo> how many walking, talking and fighting turtles have you seen?
[12:46] <clivejo> course they mutants
[12:46] <soee> i 'seen' one  disappeared :o
[12:46] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bojx9BDpJks
[12:47] <soee> ;D
[12:47] <soee> theme song for kubuntu ninjas -.-
[12:47] <sitter> you can litterally say anything and queue the TMNT theme song and it will fit
[12:48] <clivejo> they sound older than teenage
[12:49]  * soee must go... doesn't want to mess with zohan
[12:52] <yofel> is kactivitymanagerd required?
[12:52] <yofel> (I feel like yes?)
[12:53] <mamarley> yofel: It isn't installed on my system.
[12:53] <yofel> and activities work?
[12:54] <mamarley> Beats me, I don't know what activities are or how to use them.
[12:54] <yofel> then someone else will have to answer that ^^
[13:32] <shadeslayer> sgclark: W: kactivitymanagerd source: syntax-error-in-dep5-copyright line 7: Duplicate field copyright.
[13:32] <shadeslayer> sgclark: might want to fix that, apart from that uploaded
[13:32] <shadeslayer> looked good to me
[13:33] <shadeslayer> sgclark: please poke someone to approve from New
[13:34] <sgclark> I am out today. clivejo ^
[14:21] <clivejo> what, who, where, why?
[14:22] <clivejo> kde4libs, are they static with every release?
[14:26] <yofel> there are still bugfix releases for that
[14:27] <clivejo> so it should be packaged up and published with apps then
[14:27] <yofel> that should've been automatic..
[14:28] <clivejo> I dont think Scarlett run the staging script
[14:28] <clivejo> or maybe the package names need mapped
[14:28] <clivejo> yofel: have I mapped these correctly in KA?
[14:29] <yofel> maybe I didn't check. What I read here sounded right, but we have that in so many places that it's not that easy to answer :(
[14:30] <clivejo> it definitely isn’t the easiest solution to understand!
[14:30] <clivejo> but thankfully trying to explain the proplem to shadeslayer, triggered a solution!
[14:32] <sitter> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[14:33] <clivejo> :O
[14:33] <clivejo> shadeslayer is not a duck!
[14:33] <clivejo> rubber or otherwise
[14:33] <shadeslayer> quack!
[14:33] <shadeslayer> clivejo: no, sitter is proposing you get a rubber duck :P
[14:34] <sitter> yup
[14:34] <clivejo> I have a rubber duck on my T-shirt!
[14:34] <bshah> next time I go to QtCon, I am going to get konqui.. it will help me with debugging
[14:34] <sitter> I actually do have a duck on my desk
[14:34] <sitter> it is very handy to explain things mind you
[14:35] <bshah> yeah
[14:35] <mamarley> There are some Mallards in the pond behind my building at work.  I could go see if I could catch one of them and put it in my office!
[14:35] <clivejo> https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/gallery/christmas-craft-night-2012/p1040110.jpg
[14:36] <clivejo> much see if I can rob one next time Im down in TOG
[14:36] <clivejo> must
[14:37] <yofel> https://imgur.com/IppKJ
[14:38] <clivejo> They recovered a sizeable number of ducks after O2 sailed them down the Liffey!
[14:38] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE7fSxeISpI
[14:39] <clivejo> this is the one on my T-shirt - https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tog-wallpaper-black.jpg
[14:40] <yofel> someone should've done this with ducks :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmfu5anMSA
[14:41] <clivejo> weird
[14:42] <clivejo> black absorbs heat though, surely white would be better to relfect the heat/light?
[14:43] <yofel> I was wondering that too...
[14:45] <genii> Keep in mind that a black tee absorbs your body heat as well, white just reflects it back to you
[14:46] <genii> There's a reason the Bedouin wear black and not white
[14:47] <clivejo> I wonder could they make a huge umbella for Ireland
[14:48] <yofel> lol
[14:53] <genii> Is there a podcast today?
[14:57] <clivejo> dont think so
[14:58] <clivejo> just party
[14:58] <genii> Because http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-party-3/ seems to indicate it will also be on the Kubuntu Podcast as well
 Party Party !!
 Exctiing
[14:59] <genii> The g+ link off there indicates you need an invite to attend
 You don't need an invite
 We post the events there, as we've got lots of follows on there
 We'll post the link and access details to the Party on that event page, and IRC including here at 19:30 ( 18:30 UTC )
[15:01] <genii> OK
[15:16] <clivejo> holy cow!
[15:17] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ0M5H8UuHI
[15:28] <soee> back
[15:30] <soee> yofel: something holds us back from releasing backports ?
[15:30] <yofel> see my question regarding kactivitymanagerd
[15:32] <soee> i have it installed: 5.6.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa
[15:33] <yofel> and I guess activities don't work without it?
[15:34] <soee> i would have to remove it and check :D
[15:36] <soee> !info kactivitymanagerd xenial
[15:36] <soee> !info kactivitymanagerd
[15:37] <clivejo> its new to 5.6
[15:37] <soee> https://github.com/KDE/kactivitymanagerd
[15:39] <soee> and our uestionis if it is required or either optional ?
[15:40] <genii> clivejo: Lesson for today: Tie your hair back when operating drills near your face
[15:40] <soee> yofel: its descripton is "System service to manage user's activities and track the usage patterns"
[15:40] <soee> and i have this service running
[15:41] <clivejo> dont think I need to worry about that
[15:43] <yofel> ok, then we need something that bothers to install it
[15:44] <yofel> in my last install test, kactivities gets removed, but nothing replaces it
[15:44] <yofel> should we make that a transitional package?
[15:45] <soee> isnt kactivitymanagerd what replaces it ?
[15:45] <yofel> yes, but it doesn't get installed as nothing depends on it
[15:45] <soee> why do i have it than ? :)
[15:45] <yofel> didn't you guys debug activities for days? ^^
[15:45] <soee> it was installed when kativities get removed i think
[15:46] <yofel> hm, not for me...
[15:46] <yofel> I'll try again later
[15:47] <soee> apt-cache rdepends kactivitymanagerd 
[15:47] <soee> kactivitymanagerd
[15:47] <soee> Reverse Depends:
[15:47] <soee>   libkf5activities5
[15:48] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[15:48] <yofel>   kactivities libkf5screen6 libkwinglutils7
[15:48] <yofel> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[15:48] <yofel>   libkf5screen7 libkwineffects8 libkwinglutils8 libkwinxrenderutils8 pam-kwallet-init plasma-integration
[15:48] <yofel> so, that lib was also not required by anything else
[15:49] <soee> what lib ?
[15:49] <yofel> libkf5activities5
[15:49] <yofel> probably only used by kactivitymanagerd
[15:50] <yofel> hm, wait, that was on the update list
[15:51] <soee> also https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-February/049512.html
[15:52] <genii> Does Big Blue Button need some kind of client installed?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> not sure, probly flash 
[15:53] <clivejo> yofel: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kactivities/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[15:54] <clivejo> that libs Recommends: kactivitymanagerd
[15:54] <yofel> *sigh*
[15:54] <yofel> friday
[15:54] <BluesKaj> not that flash is a client. most likely just the plugin
[15:54] <clivejo> is that wrong ?
[15:54] <yofel> clivejo: yes, thanks, I forgot --install-recommends in my test *facepalm*
[15:54] <soee> ~.~
[15:55] <clivejo> should it be a hard depend?
[15:55] <yofel> no
[15:55] <yofel> everything's ok, I just messed up
[15:55] <clivejo> phew
[15:55] <clivejo> getting me all worried there
[15:56] <yofel> ok, that test went fine as well, ack from me
[15:57] <yofel> or let me copy it
[15:57] <soee> https://youtu.be/fV5TZyUMVsM?t=37s
[15:57] <clivejo> yofel: whats your thoughts on that kickoff menu opening a recent document error?
[15:58] <soee> upstream i would say
[15:59] <yofel> that ^
[16:01] <yofel> copying
[16:03] <soee> yofel: will you write and announcement ?
[16:03] <soee> *an
[16:03] <yofel> maybe later
[16:04] <soee> can we already spread the word on social media ?
[16:04] <yofel> after the publisher is done, yes
[16:04] <clivejo> !info khelpcenter
[16:26] <clivejo> yofel: can you see why this is failing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260753759/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.minuet_16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:29] <clivejo> seems to be after -- Checking for module 'alsa>=1.0.0'
[16:31] <clivejo> ah
[16:31] <clivejo> libasound2-dev
[16:31] <clivejo> !info libasound2-dev
[17:27] <acheron88> clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363337
[17:30] <janjan_> Greetings! I am sorry if this is not 100% fitting but I just saw this channel referenced in this G+ post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/7EJzKwa2FSF regarding testing of the new Plasma release. I just installed 5.6.4 from backports and I have some pretty severe errors with missing .qml files and almost nothing plasma/widget related is working. Is this the right place to report this? If not: Where should 
[17:30] <yofel> janjan_: here is fine, can you pastebin those errors somehow?
[17:31] <yofel> (should you see something like this, and nobody responds, send a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)
[17:32] <janjan_> Sure! This is for example the error message when I click on the K button in the task bar to open the start menu: http://pastebin.com/7PbWXiqN
[17:32] <yofel> is that all? :/
[17:33] <janjan_> Besides this I have no context menu on the desktop and in the taskbar and some widgets are not working
[17:34] <acheron88> recall that pastebin error from 5.5.5, as was some qml packages not getting installed?
[17:42] <acheron88> or at least a similar error? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359634
[17:57] <janjan_> ok, I killed and restarted plasmashell via console and got a more detailed error log: http://pastebin.com/bwmEQmCB
[18:05] <sick_rimmit> Hi Friends o/
[18:06] <janjan_> @acheron88: I am pretty sure I have the same problem as the one in the bug report you posted. I have a kind of frankenstein-kubuntu and there are most likely some strange versioning problems. Time for full reinstall...
[18:06] <janjan_> Thx for the link!
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> Party link
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> Room 1
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> Password: welcome
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> Please Share on you Social Media
[18:58] <janjan_> Just a short update to the problem half an our ago: It was indeed the versioning problem described in this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359634 If manually reinstalled some packages and now everything is working :)
[19:01] <acheron88> janjan: glad you got it fixed :)
[20:04] <SilentGhost> Trying to install backports, I get this "Install these packages without verification?" Does anyone know what might be the reason?
[20:05] <soee> yofel: ^
[20:06] <yofel> the GPG key check for the PPA failed
[20:06] <yofel> apt update should say why
[20:13] <soee> SilentGhost: did it helped 
[20:14] <SilentGhost> because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A 
[20:14] <SilentGhost> also, there was no warning in the GUI, until one tries to go ahead with upgrade
[20:15] <soee> you did: 
[20:15] <soee> 1. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:15] <soee> 2. sudo apt update
[20:16] <soee> 3. sudo apt full-upgrade 
[20:16] <soee> ?
[20:17] <marco-parillo> soee: This morning, I thought i read that backports come automagically. It seemed wrong to me. I always had to add the repo.
[20:17] <SilentGhost> no, I just added deb line via gui, there wasn't any prompts for key, but I'll do it in the command line now
[20:17] <soee> marco-parillo: yes you have to add them
[20:18] <marco-parillo> TY. Now I know my memory was not failing.
[20:18] <soee> marco-parillo: can you update our social channels with some announcement ?
[20:18] <SilentGhost> soee: yes, everything seem to work in command line
[20:19] <marco-parillo> I can put it on the wire, but if it goes to kubuntu news, then I get complaints from planet subscribers that they get the same notice twice.
[20:20] <soee> ah, ok :)
[20:25] <marco-parillo> soee: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=950
[20:26] <soee> mparillo: thank you
[20:27]  * soee has SanDisk SSD to mount in his PC and install Kubuntu 16.04
[20:34] <marco-parillo> I also shared your G+ Post: https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/btwC7PJnpoK
[21:17]  * soee installing 16.04 on his PC
[22:27] <soee_> done
[22:28] <soee_> smooth installation of 16.04 on my PC and than upgrade to Plasma 5.6.4 :)
[22:55] <clivejo> anyone about?
[23:02]  * valorie is about to head outside for a bit of sun
[23:02] <valorie> how are you, clivejo?
[23:02] <clivejo> hi, Im ok, just on a come down after the party
[23:02] <clivejo> they all left me :(
 :)
[23:03]  * valorie missed the party, sorry
[23:03] <valorie> was not in the mood for a party
[23:03] <clivejo> totally understandable valorie
[23:03] <clivejo> how are you ?
[23:05] <valorie> alive
[23:05] <valorie> getting all the billing done for publishing the obit, etc.
[23:05] <valorie> no fun
[23:25]  * clivejo hugs valorie
[23:34] <valorie> ty clivejo
[23:34] <valorie> eek, better get outside before the sunshine disappears
[23:36] <clivejo> yeah, get out in the fresh air