[02:03] <OerHeks> pinguy OS e.o.l. http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/pinguy-os-wants-to-pull-the-plug-on-his-ubuntu-based-gnu-linux-operating-system-504268.shtml
[02:50] <OerHeks> this bug generates a lot of heat https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712
[02:52] <OerHeks> :-)
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:39] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: L) ,, pounded by : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/1579712 ,
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> hey bash
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> lemme have a look
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: a bit over my head this bug :p
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> would not have a clue where to start
[03:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: The short answer " sudo apt remove appstream " .
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> !info appstream
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[04:31] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> still waking up here :p
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> 6h32
[04:36] <daftykins> o/
[04:36] <daftykins> debating getting up myself
[04:38] <Bashing-om> debating/close to calling it a night :(
[04:38] <daftykins> the changing of the guard!
[04:43] <Bashing-om> And, The watch notes have been passed .
[04:44] <daftykins> :>
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> morning daftykins & nacc
[05:05] <daftykins> heyup
[05:10] <Bashing-om> Done in for this session, calling it ! All on yall now ,
[05:56] <EriC^^> i think i'm about to die
[05:56] <EriC^^> i slept without a tshirt and the a/c on and i think i didn't eat dinner either
[06:33] <daftykins> EriC^^: D:
[06:33] <daftykins> quick! obtain sustenance!
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-367-18-beta-graphics-drivers-released-for-linux-no-gtx-1080-support-yet-504267.shtml
[07:54] <daftykins> >:)
[07:58] <Switches> So they don't have support in a driver yet for a card that isn't available to buy until 27th, but nvidias own site says it has Windows, Linux, FreeBSDx86..ok
[07:59] <daftykins> doesn't make sense to buy and run a high end card under Linux anyway, since it'd be castrated performance wise
[07:59] <Switches> Although saying that I guess you could argue that the AMD drivers already have Polaris support
[08:00] <daftykins> 'amdgpu' ?
[08:00] <Switches> yeah amdgpu has some support being added for the polaris ids
[08:01] <daftykins> do you run modernish AMD hardware to have been dabbling with that? i wonder if they'll turn around the rep fglrx has
[08:01] <Switches> But then noone is really sure where Polaris is being aimed, as it doesn't look like its going to be "high end" with the first iteration of it
[08:02] <Switches> Well not really, my main rig has an old GTX750ti, other system has the older HD7950 Radeon (GCN 1.0) which has gotten some support lately
[08:02] <daftykins> ah you're scraping legacy there!
[08:03] <daftykins> rumours i've read speak of mid-range Polaris this June/July with availability for the 'back to school' period and high-end in December
[08:03] <daftykins> which means there'll be no high-end comparison between the two before i want to buy a new :(
[08:03] <daftykins> GTX 560Ti 2GB i have right now... 5 years old
[08:03] <Switches> Pretty much :p I'm waiting on the polaris desktop chips tbh, the nvidia stuff although interesting isn't really upto scratch imo, So i'll wait
[08:04] <Switches> The VR stuff for Nvidia looks amazing, but I don't have a Vive
[08:04] <daftykins> i'm concerned about the async DX12 stuff
[08:05] <Switches> Well AMD already owns nvidia in async stuff, I can't see them losing that edge especially when Nvidia don't seem to be interested in it.
[08:07] <daftykins> they just had too much investment in their preemption approach to DX11 from what i gathered in reviews and so on
[08:07] <Switches> Just gotta hope nvidia don't try the stunt they have been doing with Gameworks, can't see that happening in gaming at the mo though, way to lucrative for them
[08:08] <daftykins> my lovely new game gives me 14fps average in a benchmark so i am itching for a new purchase :D
[08:08] <Switches> lol
[08:08] <daftykins> not enough for a silly 'early adopter' price hike mind you
[08:08] <daftykins> i'm not too fussed about VR at all, way too early for all that
[08:09] <Switches> Well being a Linux only guy, I try to stick to stuff that works well with Linux or has great support. AMD seems to have a better way with the new drivers than Nvidia does, but only time will tell
[08:12] <daftykins> interesting
[08:12] <daftykins> are they wholly open, or do they still have some closed content?
[08:14] <Switches> well amdgpu is totally open they also have gpuopen program going for some of the addon stuff like TressFX, plus the proprietary driver (amdgpu-pro) uses most of the amdgpu stuff and just sorta plugs into it from what i've read
[08:14] <daftykins> oh that sounds good
[08:15] <Switches> I haven't had much time using it as its still very unstable, but it is under a hell of a lot of development at the mo
[08:15] <daftykins> i was reading something the other day alleging that nvidia purposefully make their fancy hair tech run like a dog on AMD kit
[08:15] <Switches> Yeah theres been a big kickup about it, its actually something in Gameworks that messes with AMD cards
[08:16] <Switches> Reminds me a bit of the Intel crap they tryed to pull with the compilers
[08:18] <daftykins> really sad when such games go on, does make me think nvidia are perhaps less deserving of my money now
[08:19] <daftykins> never had any problems with their kit even in Linux land though
[08:19] <Switches> Well Nvidia aren't really "open source" friendly, but if you game on Windows aswell as Linux tbh they have way better performance and much better drivers (at the moment atleast)
[08:21] <Switches> If you're a gamer tbh put your money where the performance is. The politics of it all will work itself out lol
[08:31] <daftykins> true enough :)
[08:51] <daftykins> just had a browse for fun, geforce.co.uk doesn't even have the 1000 series on their driver dropdown menus yet :>
[08:51] <Switches> :)
[08:52] <Switches> Well tbh noone but the reviewers should have them just yet
[08:53] <Switches> But it was just a post saying the drivers don't support them is just like the "2way SLI" posts. I think they are just trying to get click bait out the door lol
[08:53] <daftykins> totally
[08:53] <daftykins> it's quite cringe reading tech sites, none that cut the crap
[08:54] <Switches> Na they all spin it for themselves
[08:54] <Switches> I read a lot of them in a day.. I'm surprised my hand isn't perm attached to my face the amount of times I facepalm reading them
[08:58] <daftykins> =]
[09:21] <de-facto> i get the feeling apt is a bit messed up right now :-/
[09:21] <de-facto> s/feeling/impression
[09:22] <daftykins> you got last nights bad updates?
[09:22] <daftykins> the guys were talking about some showstoppers it seems
[09:22] <daftykins> or is this just your install?
[09:27] <EriC^^> what bad updates? O.o
[09:32] <daftykins> not sure, can't find that chat now... let me see
[09:34] <daftykins> hrmm seems like past dafty was drinking some strange stuff
[09:40] <EriC^^> hehe
[09:40] <EriC^^> i saw somebody in the channel mention apt being broke
[09:40] <EriC^^> earlier today i think
[09:43] <daftykins> yeah that must've been the one
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome to xenial bug day :p
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> bug 1579712
[11:22] <daftykins> ^_^
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> stuck apt update all morning
[11:23] <daftykins> yeah what's this wonky apt situation?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> this bug daftykins
[11:24] <daftykins> oh i see
[11:24] <TJ-> that was a funny one last night!
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> bashing-om: " sudo apt remove appstream " .
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> !info appstream
[11:28] <TJ-> Jeeze! I really start to dispair of programmer's abilities these days, I've just read the code to see what the bug was, it's awful
[11:29] <TJ-> Didn't do the most basic of checks - namely when opening a file checking the returned file descriptor wasn't an error code, just assumed it was valid! That's not even under-graduate level mistakes
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> hmm sudo apt upgrade works
[11:30] <EriC^^> apt is broken?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> and appstream gonna get updated so
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> bug 1579712
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: this
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: try apt update, then close terminal
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then sudo apt upgrade
[11:32] <EriC^^> got a bug myself
[11:32] <EriC^^> 2 lock screens after suspending
[11:32] <EriC^^> nothing in /etc/pm/sleep.d that's obvious though
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> oO
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: didnt you move to kernel 4.6 for suspend issues?
[11:33] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: there was an alternative: "dpkg-divert --local --rename --divert /usr/bin/appstreamcli.dpkg /usr/bin/appstreamcli "
[11:33] <EriC^^> yeah it was maknig a black screen before
[11:33] <EriC^^> now it's making 2 lock screens somehow
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> bah
[11:33] <EriC^^> when the battery is about to turn off
[11:33] <EriC^^> ill try manually i think its different
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: tnx, but appstream is in updates so :p
[11:33] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: yeah I know, but the general usage of dpkg-divert is useful to know
[11:34] <TJ-> since it works for fresh package installs to prevent them putting things back
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> cool workaround
[11:35] <EriC^^> pm-suspend works fine, actually doesn't ask for a password when turning back on
[11:35] <EriC^^> systemctl suspend asks for 2 passes
[11:35] <TJ-> EriC^^: from the GUI greeter/locker ?
[11:36] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:36] <EriC^^> one old looking one, gray
[11:36] <EriC^^> then the usual one of lightdm with the background
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> there we go, apt update working again :p
[11:37] <TJ-> sounds like the 'old' one could be the xscreensaver based thing; you may be hitting a bug I noticed on 15.10 with Lubuntu actually, or similar, where light-locker + xscreensaver would result in a totally blank unlock display (just LCD backlight visible)
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ apt-cache policy appstream
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> appstream:
[11:37] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 0.9.4-1ubuntu1
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> its the same version they patched right?
[11:38] <EriC^^> TJ-: seems like a light-locker, it has a background and the user name at the top but it's kind of older version
[11:39] <EriC^^> installing lubuntu once changed the locker to it
[11:39] <TJ-> EriC^^: I discovered the light-locker-command tool for controlling it
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:41] <TJ-> the reason for 2 lock screens may be that with multiple lockers installed, you've got gnome-locker and light-locker both with files in /etc/xdg/autostart/light-locker.desktop
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:41] <EriC^^> aha
[11:42] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah gnome-screensaver-command -l brings the second standard one
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: you got the appstream bug also on kde?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, EriC^^ , TJ-
[11:42] <EriC^^> TJ-: no light-locker.desktop though
[11:42] <EriC^^> hi BluesKaj
[11:43] <EriC^^> find /etc -iname "light*lock*" returns nothing
[11:44] <TJ-> EriC^^: it's all in the autostart entries for XDG
[11:44] <BluesKaj> appstream ? do mean update stuck  in the repos?
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yes
[11:44] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,^
[11:44] <BluesKaj> yeah I had it last night
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: how did you solve?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> on Xenial on the laptop
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> yakkkety didnt have it?
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> -k
[11:46] <EriC^^> TJ-: nothing about lock there
[11:46] <EriC^^> ps aux | grep lock returns nothing too
[11:46] <TJ-> EriC^^: no light-locker package installed you mean?
[11:46] <TJ-> EriC^^: what files are in /etc/xdg/autostart/ ? maybe its another?
[11:47] <EriC^^> no i meant no files there that have light-locker, but i just checked dpkg and it's not installed
[11:47] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16519453/
[11:47] <BluesKaj> had to run sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a, a few times til the unneeded kernel was cleared by doing an autoremove
[11:48] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,^'
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx, i just sudo apt update and force close terminal, then sudo apt upgrade
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> appstream in the update list
[11:48] <EriC^^> heh i have vnc installed, dunno how it got here
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> be carefull with vnc EriC^^ :p
[11:48] <daftykins> i'm in yr computer
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[11:49] <daftykins> ;)
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: your gonna steal hardware now?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:49] <EriC^^> hmm apt-mark showauto has it listed, wonder what pulled it in
[11:50] <TJ-> EriC^^: those all look 'normal' ... maybe something else in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> no upgrade problem today tho, lotuspsychje
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: neither here
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !info appstream yakkety
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> higher version it is..
[11:51] <EriC^^> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16519494/
[11:52] <TJ-> EriC^^: best thing would be to switch to a VT console when the first locker is up, and do "ps -efly | grep lock" or whatever to try to identify the process name
[11:52] <EriC^^> looks ok
[11:52] <EriC^^> aha good idea
[11:55] <EriC^^> it comes up first thing after systemctl suspend, then pc turns off
[11:56] <EriC^^> in ps aux there's nothing that has lock in it, just /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver-dialog --enable-switch
[11:56] <EriC^^> it's gone now
[11:56] <EriC^^> just /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver --no-daemon
[11:58] <EriC^^> i tried to press switch user this time and it took me straight the to standard lightdm one
[11:58] <EriC^^> *to the
[11:59] <TJ-> hmmm, can you do it using a remote ssh connect as soon is it resumes? Not sure it'll gain anything, but I always prefer that since I don't disturb what the GUI is doing by switching VTs
[12:00] <EriC^^> could this be relevant /etc/pam.d/
[12:00] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16519606/
[12:01] <EriC^^> maybe it's a pam thing?
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[12:02] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[12:02] <pauljw> everyone
[12:05] <EriC^^> i did while sleep 0.4; do ps aux > file$i; i=$((i+1)); done
[12:05] <tsimonq2> who's coming to Kubuntu Party 3 today? :D
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> too far for me :p
[12:07] <EriC^^> hmm 18,000 lines
[12:07] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: but it's on the interwebz, nothing is too far! :D
[12:07] <EriC^^> first 3 files http://termbin.com/nqsa
[12:08] <EriC^^> TJ-: do the new processes always end up at the bottom?
[12:08] <EriC^^> i could tail the last 10 lines for each file wouldn't be that bad
[12:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: no, the PIDs get reused
[12:09] <EriC^^> how could i just get the new stuff that's going into ps aux
[12:09] <TJ-> I use the elapsed-time column to get an sense for what is most recently started, in addition to PID
[12:10] <TJ-> EriC^^: I'd capture snapshots and diff them
[12:12] <EriC^^> i'll just run it for a few secs cause as soon as i run systemctl suspend the old locker comes
[12:15] <TJ-> EriC^^: hmmm, the locker will start before suspend won't it! as in it locks first, so its active on resume. maybe you can figure it out from that
[12:20] <EriC^^> TJ-: resulting list http://paste.ubuntu.com/16519895/
[12:21] <EriC^^> that's the process that pops up /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver-dialog --enable-switch
[12:21] <EriC^^> after i log in it disappears
[12:22] <TJ-> I think you need to add to its cmdline --debug :)
[12:23] <EriC^^> if i run it with DISPLAY=:1 just trying it it said
[12:23] <EriC^^> Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
[12:23] <EriC^^> what the
[12:24] <EriC^^> oh it works for both xorg and mir?
[12:24] <TJ-> seems that xdg/autostart starts /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver   which is responsible for the dialog
[12:25] <EriC^^> ok trying again
[12:25] <EriC^^> killed gnome-screensaver to see how it'll go
[12:26] <EriC^^> works great now
[12:26] <EriC^^> still get the the lightdm standard one
[12:27] <EriC^^> i wonder if ctrl+alt+l will work now
[12:27] <EriC^^> yup still works
[12:27] <EriC^^> hmm
[12:27] <EriC^^> what was that gnome-screensaver daemon for then
[12:27] <EriC^^> i guess the timed screen lock?
[12:28] <EriC^^> hmm this is odd
[12:28] <EriC^^> gnome-screensaver-command -l still works
[12:28] <EriC^^> i thought it only works if the daemon is running
[12:30] <TJ-> hasn't dbus restarted it?
[12:30] <EriC^^> nope
[12:30] <EriC^^> ps aux | grep gnome-screen shows nothing
[12:31] <EriC^^> http://termbin.com/wyov
[12:31] <EriC^^> ps aux loop thingy while pressing ctrl+alt+l
[12:31] <EriC^^> aha that's what's running it /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity/unity-panel-service --lockscreen-mode
[12:31] <TJ-> I read in the gnome-screensaver package notes its dynamically started by dbus if not around
[12:32] <EriC^^> hmm
[12:32] <EriC^^> let me try with gnome-screen-command -l
[12:34] <EriC^^> http://termbin.com/ccej
[12:34] <EriC^^> hmm typo or something
[12:37] <EriC^^> http://termbin.com/503z
[12:38] <EriC^^> i added a grep gnome-screen at the bottom
[12:39] <TJ-> what other DEs besides Unity has that system had installed? It feels rather like multiples conflicting
[12:39] <EriC^^> just ubuntu 16.04
[12:39] <EriC^^> fresh install
[12:39] <TJ-> the only other thing I can think of is the X built-in locker is also being triggered by gnome-screensaver. Have you installed/deinstalled any screensaver packages, or themes?
[12:39] <TJ-> done any configuration for the user on that.
[12:40] <TJ-> Also, have you tested in a clean new user account?
[12:40] <EriC^^> strace of gnome-screensaver-command -l in case it's useful http://paste.ubuntu.com/16520168/
[12:41] <EriC^^> no
[12:41] <EriC^^> xscreensaver might be installed
[12:41] <EriC^^> actually it's not
[12:41] <EriC^^> i saw xscreensaver somewhere though
[12:42] <EriC^^> hmm doesn't seem so must have been on a website or something
[12:42] <EriC^^> let me try a fresh user
[12:46] <EriC^^> same thing with different user
[12:46] <EriC^^> i did a strace systemctl suspend in case it can help
[12:47] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16520261/
[12:48] <EriC^^> there seems to be 2 gnome-screensaver daemons running right now one in the new user's id and the other in mine
[12:48] <EriC^^> ah it runs from /etc/xdg/autostart
[12:59] <TJ-> yes
[13:00] <TJ-> this is one of the issues with using DBus, you can't see what's going on where the message is received
[13:01] <de-facto> ubuntu hates me today :(
[13:07] <de-facto>  Guys when i create a <program>.desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/   where does that lookup its icon? can i place an icon somewhere in the ~/.local/share/  tree for that?
[13:09] <EriC^^> try to +x it
[13:09] <EriC^^> and see if you can search for it from the dash
[13:10] <de-facto> yeah that works, but shows no icon
[13:10] <de-facto> oh wow wait, it does now!
[13:12] <de-facto> nice, i just places one in ~/.local/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/<program>.png  and referenced that with Icon=<program> in the desktop file
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: wich package needed an icon?
[13:16] <de-facto> not really a package, i am trying to integrate the Signal chromium browser app in my gnome desktop
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:19] <de-facto> yeah so, so, launching apps in chromium from command line is very buggy, now the chromium update somehow broke that :(
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> man wth...https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/959043
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> 2012 bug lol
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> i wonder if xenial printer files re-added these models?
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> hey nicomachus
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> nice wiki guys: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> can we do something with this dax? ^
[13:57] <nicomachus> lotuspsychje: what's wrong with it?
[13:58] <nicomachus> it's a wiki: fix it. :D
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> nothing wrong, its new!
[13:58] <nicomachus> oh
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> and i like it
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> nicomachus: would be cool for a trigger
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> or addon for !lamp
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you still remember factoid add command?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> want to try one
[14:12] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, sorry. hang on, i'll check if i have it in my history...
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> okay mate
[14:13] <ducasse> here you go - /msg ubottu !no, triggergoeshere <reply> text goes here
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the , and reply also?
[14:15] <ducasse> afaik, yes.
[14:16] <ducasse> that's what i was told (and used) anyway.
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: worked
[14:27] <ducasse> goodie :)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, apt update is locked up again, "Unable to lock dir /var/lib/apt/lists" ..thought I had this fixed , but it's happenng again
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: on xenial or yakkety?
[14:29] <OerHeks> maybe updates pending?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah try sudo apt upgrade, see if appstream is in there
[14:30] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, nothing
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> did you sudo apt update first?
[14:31] <pauljw> happened to me first thing this morning, turned out to be updater was in the process of checking.  once i saw the pending updates notice, i could use apt update again.
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> force close terminal?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> how?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> or cant you get a sudo apt update?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> no update , the error is after update
[14:33] <de-facto> hmm that apt lock thingy keeps hitting my nerves the whole day already :(
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> i fixxed it after i could sudo apt upgrade
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> even if sudo apt update freezed on last, i force closed terminal
[14:34] <de-facto> lol really?
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> yep
[14:34] <de-facto> that was exactly my experience too
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> then appstream showed up updates
[14:35] <BluesKaj> what is force clos terminal?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> and thats the patched one
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: when terminal freezes on last step, just close it
[14:35] <de-facto> then i reinstalled and went for a coffee, i guess that freeze melted itself after a few minutes
[14:36] <de-facto> i think its that huge fonts update
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> 75mb update was big
[14:36] <de-facto> but still freezing on me? thats unacceptable :(
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> hmmz?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> cit's not stuck at the update , after the error i posted it goes back to the prompt
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: tried a reboot?
[14:38] <de-facto> cant dpkg/apt/whatever is doing hard work in the background locked into a cgroup or such so that gui freezes are not possible due to running out of ressources?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> no
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: workes here now without freeze
[14:40] <de-facto> hmm
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: you sure you got appstream update this morning?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> !info appstream
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> we cant policy cause its same version but patched
[14:43] <BluesKaj> the reboot unstuck the upgrade, appstream and associted pkgs installed
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> yay
[14:43] <de-facto> "sudo apt install --reinstall fonts-noto-cjk language-selector-common" makes my system freeze for one or two minutes, GUI completely unresponsive
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[14:44] <de-facto> and its a fast system with ssd
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> same here on ssd
[14:45] <BluesKaj> haven't checked Xenial on the desktop yet, guess I should
[14:48] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: oled tv's any idea about them?
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> no sorry
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> alot of 4K lately
[14:49] <de-facto> oled tv? wouldnt those burn in with icons and fonts always at the same place?
[14:50] <de-facto> i use a 1080p 40" LCD LED tv as my main monitor, works quite well over HDMI with nvidia-340 and got even sound :)
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:50] <de-facto> yup because otherwise i would have to wear glasses :P hahaha
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:51] <EriC^^> oled is a new technology i think
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: checkout samsung SUHD tv's :p
[14:52] <EriC^^> seems it can do infinite contrast ratio
[14:52] <de-facto> oled is organic light emitting diodes like those used on some smartphone displays. they had the issue of wearing out (especially the blue ones), but the big advantage that they have true blacks (hence infinite contrast)
[14:52] <de-facto> plus the colors match pretty much the human eyes receptors, so i guess you cant get more vibrant colors
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> UE55KS7000 55" 7-Series SUHD TV
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> sweet, i wanna see a bluray on that1
[14:53] <EriC^^> i've heard about the blue fading out on the smartphone thing
[14:53] <de-facto> basically its organic dyes emitting light themselves by being driven by electric currents, there is no backlight, each pixel emits light by itself
[14:53] <EriC^^> i wonder how long it takes though, 4-5years?
[14:54] <EriC^^> only lg is making oled right now, samsung made one then discontinued, they say they're working on quantum-dot enhanced lcd
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah my brother in law bought a 4K samsung and got those clouds in screen
[14:54] <de-facto> they look breathtakingly awesome, i have seen some in a local store here
[14:54] <de-facto> yeah those Lucky Goldstar ones
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> samsung is the best :p
[14:55] <EriC^^> i love plasma cause of the contrast ratio, oled would be really sweet, they're so expensive it seems though
[14:55] <JanC> OLED isn't new really
[14:55] <de-facto> im using samsung LCD LED tv right now, i love it
[14:55] <EriC^^> $2000 for 55" lg
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[14:55] <de-facto> btw first OLED ones came from sony
[14:55] <de-facto> several years ago
[14:55] <de-facto> then samsung, now lg...
[14:55] <EriC^^> picture quality is great though lotus
[14:55] <JanC> it was common on many MP3 players too
[14:56] <EriC^^> i think next iphone will be oled
[14:56] <EriC^^> not 7, the 7s
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: a friend worker bought a 60 " LG plasma once, installed it on his wall and got all blur when bluray action movies
[14:56] <de-facto> but still using OLED as monitor, i would be scared by the burn in ... not so much for moving pictures (as in movies) but with fixed position elements like on desktop? hmmm...
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so he brought it back to the store fast, and bought a samsung
[14:57] <de-facto> plasma burns in too
[14:57] <EriC^^> de-facto i meant as a tv
[14:57] <EriC^^> i wonder how long it would last
[14:57] <EriC^^> and why samsung isn't making them
[14:58] <de-facto> plasma uses huge amount of energy, i read hundreds of watts for a usual screen size
[14:58] <EriC^^> i've been really happy with my plasma lg, it's great build quality really robust and stuff
[14:58] <EriC^^> also the picture is more alive and warm
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wich lg you have?
[14:59] <EriC^^> dunno i got it back in 2011
[14:59] <EriC^^> i think it's 1024x768
[14:59] <EriC^^> most plasma have that res
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> ah for pc?
[15:00] <EriC^^> no it's tv
[15:00] <de-facto> yeah plasma also has each individual pixel emitting light, i guess in a similar way as those cold cathode ones
[15:00] <EriC^^> 42"
[15:00] <de-facto> using a ionized gas or such
[15:00] <EriC^^> yeah de-facto it feels more like a good old fashioned tv, also the screen is made of glass not plastic like the lcd
[15:00] <de-facto> for moving pictures its probably great
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> im not a fan of plasma
[15:00] <JanC> some LCD are glass  :)
[15:01] <EriC^^> aha
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu should make a tv usb :p
[15:01] <EriC^^> honestly i dunno if it's cause the samsung is 32"
[15:01] <JanC> e.g. those used for medical devices often are, because the plastic doesn't like the disinfectants & such
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> so i can get rid of this stupid smarttv
[15:02] <JanC> or germs like the plastic too much, or something
[15:02] <EriC^^> but the movies on the samsung are very like crispy, like a 30year old actor will look 40-50 on it and the curves of the faces are like sharp, and everything seems very robotic kind of
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:02] <EriC^^> on the plasma it feels more natural and smooth and more vibrant and stuff
[15:03] <EriC^^> i swear man
[15:03] <JanC> and of course in general glass doesn't scratch as easily as plastic
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah the natural feeling is plasma i agree
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> but i dont have a problem with 1080p blurays on my samsung
[15:04] <EriC^^> maybe cause it's 42" and 1080p
[15:04] <EriC^^> i'm using 32" and 720p
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> and its an expensive model aswell
[15:04] <EriC^^> yeah the samsung feels kind of cheap the one i got
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> payed 1600$ back in the days
[15:05] <EriC^^> like the edges are plasticy, and i can carry it with one hand it's like 5kg or something
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> with silver edges here
[15:05] <EriC^^> the lg weighs like 20kg minimum i'd think
[15:05] <EriC^^> and it's built very sleek and elegant
[15:05] <EriC^^> got the samsung for $240
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> always buy a full hd 1080p tv
[15:05] <EriC^^> they didn't have for 32"
[15:06] <EriC^^> 768p max
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> resell it mate
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> im sure some pc freak will buy it from you
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> one that uses his tv for pc screen like de-facto haha
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: does your screen have usb ports?
[15:07] <EriC^^> yeah
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: tried a 10gig mkv yet on stick?
[15:08] <EriC^^> hmm i put the external hdd on it once and played some stuff
[15:08] <EriC^^> btw i'm an idiot i always take the laptop there
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: try right from the source mate to avoid lags
[15:08] <EriC^^> i can probably just put the external and watch the movie
[15:08] <EriC^^> lol just remembered
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: grab some 1080p mkv an test on usb
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> im sure quality will be nice
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> it cant do subs though..
[15:09] <EriC^^> aha
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> unless their built in
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> but on mkv it wont work i think
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> only built in avi's
[15:10] <EriC^^> dunno
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> try an english mkv :p
[15:11] <EriC^^> i think it's like built cheap or something
[15:11] <EriC^^> it's soo lightweight
[15:11] <EriC^^> and the sound is horrible i hooked up the laptop and put music, it's not as bassy and depth kind of as the lg one
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.h264info.com/clips.html
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> sound on samsung is not so good, thats a known issue
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> many buy a soundbar or so
[15:15] <EriC^^> when i bought it there were 2 32" tv's samsung the other had a sound thingy ad but this one was on sale and was $20-$40 cheaper so i asked the guy which one he thought was better he said it's like the same and better to get the one that's on sale, i wonder if that's why
[15:15] <EriC^^> maybe it doesn't have any sound bass kind of technology stuff
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> think so
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but my 1600 model isnt so good on sound neither
[15:17] <EriC^^> i watched gravity on the samsung it was pretty awesome
[15:17] <EriC^^> i think it depends on the movies
[15:17] <de-facto> if one uses a TV as monitor one woudl have to make sure that its possible to *disable* all those fancy picture "enhancing" processors, initially my screen had fonts with halos and mickey mouse colors
[15:17] <de-facto> if one can disable all of those its fine though (but not every tv can do that)
[15:18] <EriC^^> i feel like getting a 27" to put on the desk in my room
[15:18] <de-facto> also for gaming it has to be low latency, otherwise it would be annoying to have extra lag in there
[15:18] <de-facto> some have lags of several frames
[15:19] <EriC^^> maybe get an all-in-one pc or get a really powerful box and put a 27" lcd
[15:19] <de-facto> those old samsung run on ARM linux, somewhere one could even download the image and hack it :P
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: for 500$ you should have a decent samsung 1080p now
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: if you can resell your 32" one for 200
[15:21] <EriC^^> it's hard to resell i think
[15:21] <de-facto> also its pretty neat to have an upnp server in the network providing a source device, because with a control device (like bubbleupnp or such on android) one can push the movies to the render device (network tv)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> not impressed with tv audio , it's usually an after thought, best to connect the audio output to an analog input, even on a cheap stereo the sound wi9ll be much better
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> true
[15:23] <EriC^^> what does a led 3d mean?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: thats my model
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: means you get 3D glasses with it
[15:23] <EriC^^> how's 3d work on it?
[15:23] <de-facto> i used to have minidlna server for providing the movies, worked really well
[15:24] <EriC^^> just glasses?
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and the technology is inside the tv
[15:24] <EriC^^> what technology though
[15:24] <de-facto> there is different technologies for separating the two eyes channels on the same screen
[15:24] <EriC^^> oh
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: 3D technology, you can watch movies in 3 dimensions
[15:24] <EriC^^> so if you buy a 3d movie it can play it
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> yep
[15:24] <EriC^^> ah i thought it just puts the screen on
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> but its real silly to sit in the couch with glasses lol
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> i sold mine
[15:25] <EriC^^> you know, didn't know it needs seperate channels, like just a picture that's overlayed or something
[15:25] <EriC^^> why though
[15:25] <EriC^^> lol
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> i think 3d is overrated on a tv
[15:25] <de-facto> time division (shutter) flicker each image on whole screen while one eye is blacked out (with active shutter glasses), polarization uses filters to display both images at once and separates them by light polatization
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> in theathers its cool, for a scifi movie or so
[15:26] <de-facto> hence you just woudl need cheep pol filters in front of your eyes, but i guess you just get half res for each eye (with the benefit of no flicker)
[15:26] <de-facto> my tv can do the shutter thingy, but actually i never used it
[15:26] <EriC^^> can you download movies in 3d online?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes
[15:26] <de-facto> yeah some yt are in stereo
[15:26] <EriC^^> i think in the future movies will be 360
[15:27] <EriC^^> like you get a controller in the movie theater or with the tv
[15:27] <de-facto> that is already possible too on youtube
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> millions of VR glasses gonna be sold in 2016
[15:27] <EriC^^> that didn't make sense
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> that real evil!
[15:27] <de-facto> a whole video sphere, its awesome you can look in all directions on a playing movie
[15:27] <EriC^^> unless each person had a glasses kind of display on his eyes
[15:27] <EriC^^> what's evil lotuspsychje ?
[15:27] <EriC^^> yeah de-facto i saw an unboxing video on youtube in 360
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> soon we will all be robots with VR
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> i dont like it
[15:28] <EriC^^> you can look around the whole area while he unboxes and see stuff on the street etc
[15:28] <EriC^^> it's pretty cool, like you could watch a movie in so many different ways and see new stuff every time
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> cant be good for your brains
[15:28] <de-facto> the quadcopters with 360x180 videos are awesome
[15:29] <de-facto> those make really cool flights and you can look in any direction as if you were there
[15:29] <de-facto> i think some even couple that with VR glasses and stream that live via wireless link
[15:30] <EriC^^> i bet there's a million practical uses for 360videos
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> im sure someone will invent a VR you can walk with on the street like google glass
[15:30] <de-facto> avatar :P
[15:31] <EriC^^> haha yeah
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> pure evil i say
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:31] <de-facto> didnt google buy some robot company
[15:31] <de-facto> ....
[15:31] <de-facto> :P
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> and everyone a google car
[15:31] <EriC^^> google has become self-aware
[15:31] <EriC^^> :p
[15:31] <de-facto> jup i think it was boston dynamics
[15:31] <EriC^^> it's actually running the company now and the headquarters is a hologram
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> remembered when internet started to be popular we al go to yahoo and msn
[15:33] <EriC^^> yeah yahoo was the main site before
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> or altavista
[15:33] <EriC^^> there was geocities for hosting
[15:33] <BluesKaj> checked my Xenail update/upgrade, all went well, no stuckage
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> !yay
[15:33] <de-facto> so you stay at home, no risk at all, having a robot do your daily stuff out there and you use vr for "tele presence", weird. hopefully that wont become reality
[15:33] <BluesKaj> on the desktop install
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: it surely will, robots are taking over our jobs worldwide
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> its no joke mate
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> look it up
[15:34] <de-facto> yeah just like AI
[15:34] <EriC^^> it can have a lot of uses though
[15:34] <EriC^^> robot with 360cam
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> mcdonalds with auto burger delivery lol
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> drones deliver pizza
[15:34] <EriC^^> enters a building where humans can't cause of fire and saves people
[15:34] <EriC^^> or space stuff or deep water diving
[15:35] <EriC^^> of course we'll end up with a robot army probably
[15:35] <EriC^^> gamers will rule the planet someday i guess, all the nintendo wii guys
[15:36] <EriC^^> they should make a movie about this
[15:36] <EriC^^> like in the end they go to a basement and there's a bunch of them there causing all the havoc
[15:36] <de-facto> oh im sure there already are some
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> rise of the machines
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/13/robots-wont-just-take-jobs-theyll-create-them/
[15:38] <de-facto> ex machina
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:39] <EriC^^> "Their predictions of what this would look like usually center around two scenarios: a dystopia where humans no longer have jobs or incomes, leading to increased income inequality and social upheaval, or a utopia where governments give incomes to their citizens, who will then be able to lead more productive, creative and entrepreneurial lives."
[15:39] <EriC^^> which one do you think will happen?
[15:39] <OerHeks> robots make robots, so i guess that is untrue, lotuspsychje
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> i think countries will be forced for a basic income soon
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> zwitserland is about to vote for it in june
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> if it passes, everyone get 2000 euro or so
[15:41] <EriC^^> nice
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> so i hope it gets passed :p
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> other countries will follow
[15:42] <EriC^^> switzerland is very chill
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> perhaps we should immigrate then lol
[15:43] <EriC^^> yeah we should
[15:43] <EriC^^> the suicide rate there is very high though
[15:43] <de-facto> actually i think i remember having seen some engineers in japan developing AI and control systems (like image recognition and such ) on ubuntu boxes
[15:43] <de-facto> have seen unity on their monitors
[15:43] <EriC^^> i think it's cause everything is very easy for them, money jobs etc
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.basicincome2016.org/
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: yeah there was a recent omgubuntu article about ubuntu in the wild
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: ubuntu desktop turned up everywhere
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> scientists are trying to implant chips in the human brain
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> transhumanism is real close upon us
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> http://fusion.net/story/204316/darpa-is-implanting-chips-in-soldiers-brains/
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> i like technology...but this is really going to far
[15:48] <daftykins> you need to play the Deus Ex games :)
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> ill start with the trailer daftykins
[15:49] <de-facto> once i was talking to a medical doctor in the train, he an his team developed an interface for speaking to the nerve endings in the ear for making deaf patients hear
[15:50] <EriC^^> yeah de-facto there's already that on youtube
[15:50] <de-facto> they kinda reverse engineered the "conversations" on the nerves in the ears and now can provide implants with computer chips translating sounds to the nerves so they can understand that
[15:50] <EriC^^> videos of people hearing for the first time
[15:50] <EriC^^> they're like O.o then they start crying
[15:51] <de-facto> same goes for eyes, there are retinal skin implants talking to the optical nerves and providing camera images
[15:52] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ;)
[15:52] <de-facto> military is experimenting with direct brain interfaces (like those for helping paraplegic patients with computer interfaces) for controlling jets and weapons
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: fat!
[15:53] <de-facto> guys im gonna have to disconnect for a while, playing around with my new lte stick on ubuntu :P
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ill do this in the real world lol
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: have fun!
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> and dont forget, ubuntu is our weapon!
[15:53] <de-facto> thanks
[15:54] <de-facto> always :P
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:25] <nicomachus> !info libsecp256k
[16:26] <nicomachus> !info libsecp256k1
[16:36] <nicomachus> !info secp256k
[16:36] <nicomachus> !info secp256k1
[16:36] <nicomachus> !info secp
[16:52] <baizon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41jsZHKYVg
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> nice :p
[16:53] <baizon> damn i want a ubuntu phone so badly :D
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> i have the 4.5 :p
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> 169 euro
[16:59] <baizon> noo, i want the Meizu MX4 or the Meizu Pro 5
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> the flagship :p
[17:00] <baizon> yep
[17:00] <baizon> but when ist more advanced
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:05] <daftykins> *ring ring*
[17:05] <daftykins> ah damn i can't answer my ubuntu phone, there's a screensaver lock screen that's not responding!
[17:05] <daftykins> brb SSHing in to diagnose ;)
[18:03] <EriC^^> daftykins: for real?
[18:04] <daftykins> hehe nah
[18:04] <daftykins> just teasing :>
[18:05] <EriC^^> :)
[23:18] <_3vi1_> I hope they package the new nvidia drivers in the graphics-drivers ppa soon.  Looks like a good bag o' fixes.