[13:14] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:14] <shakes808> Morning
[13:14] <shakes808> how are you doing toda?
[13:14] <shakes808> today*
[13:15] <cmaloney> So far so good. Just starting thie morning
[13:15] <shakes808> right?!  just happy for the weekend :)
[13:16] <jrwren> ready for the weekend.
[13:17] <jrwren> it looks like it is going to be a beautiful day, so that is a bonus.
[13:17] <jrwren> How are you doing shakes808 and all?
[13:19] <shakes808> jrwren: I'm doing alright.  Best as it can at the moment. :)  Just hoping the beautiful few days lasts through the weekend!
[13:20] <jrwren> imma too scared to check the weather.
[13:20] <cmaloney> heh
[13:20] <cmaloney> I just need one mowing day.
[13:20] <jrwren> probably going to Cedar Point tomorrow, so that should be fun.
[13:20] <shakes808> haha, right?!
[13:20] <shakes808> Awesome!  Hope the weather holds out for you
[13:20] <jrwren> yesterday would have been a great mowing day
[13:20] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yep, but I was lazy.
[13:20] <cmaloney> and now I will pay.
[13:20] <shakes808> last two days would have been great
[13:20] <shakes808> HAHA
[13:21] <cmaloney> ah, Sunday looks like the magical mowing day.
[13:21] <jrwren> you push reel, right?
[13:21] <cmaloney> I push both ways.
[13:21] <jrwren> yeah, you do. I remember. ;]
[13:22] <cmaloney> Depends on whether the grass is sub jungle or not
[13:22] <jrwren> if i let my lawn go an extra day or two, it becomes even more difficult with the reel cutter.
[13:22] <jrwren> I always want to be lazy, but I know that if I don't stay on top of it its going to be much more difficult.
[13:23] <jrwren> its lawn debt. Similar to money debt or tech debt. Easier to pay it down earlier. ;]
[13:26] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:26] <cmaloney> Unfortunately I also have dandelions
[13:26] <cmaloney> so they're like little middle-fingers in my lawn
[13:26] <mrgoodcat> morning
[13:26] <cmaloney> morning!
[13:27] <shakes808> +1 cmaloney
[13:27] <shakes808> haha
[13:27] <shakes808> Morning mrgoodcat
[13:27] <mrgoodcat> how is today?
[13:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: me too! I just leave 'em. The push reel doesn't really cut them much.
[13:29] <jrwren> if I'm feeling nice to my neighbors, I use a weed cutter (like a scythe) and knock down the dandelion stems
[13:33] <wolfger> morning
[13:33] <shakes808> You need to get one of these: http://bit.ly/1W6fnWA    OR    http://bit.ly/23ZHLsw
[13:34] <wolfger> I'm noodling around with putting Ubuntu on my Win 10 again, (e.g. via VirtualBox) and I ran across this article: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring-ubuntu-to-windows-10/
[13:34] <wolfger> Anybody know what if anything came of that?
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> afaik it is actually in a workable state right now
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> its still being developed though
[13:36] <mrgoodcat> no graphical tools
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> its not a vm and not emulation
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> its more like WINE in that the kernel is actually recognizing native linux syscalls
[13:37] <wolfger> right, that's what I got from the article and it intrigued me
[13:37] <jrwren> well...
[13:37] <jrwren> yes, it is more like wine.
[13:37] <jrwren> its "done" afik.
[13:38] <jrwren> I mean, the ubuntu side is the exact same cloudimg as you'd run anywhere else.
[13:38] <jrwren> MSFT may still be working on their linux on windows layer.
[13:38] <jrwren> Someone already use XMing and set DISPLAY and ran X programs, so that part works.
[13:38] <jrwren> but I do not think you will ever see a supported graphics layer from msft.
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> there's a quick how-to at the bottom of this article http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/
[13:43] <wolfger> so, it sounds like its still in beta. "Windows Insider"
[13:43] <jrwren> yup
[13:43] <jrwren> i only meant that the ubuntu side is "done"
[13:45] <wolfger> ok, guess I'll go with VirtualBox for now
[13:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'd stick with VB for now
[13:49] <jrwren> I upgraded from win7 to win10 just to play with that ubuntu on windows. HUGE MISTAKE.
[13:49] <jrwren> win10 is even worse than I had thought.
[13:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: How so?
[13:52] <wolfger> I found Win10 to be slightly worse, but virtually indistinguishable for typical use.
[13:53] <wolfger> and also slightly better in some ways
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> yea i think win10 is nice
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> the Big Brother stuff is my only gripe
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> haven't had any useability issues with it though
[13:54] <jrwren> the reboot on updates.
[13:55] <jrwren> maybe its becuase I enabled the insider fast track trying to get ubuntu for windows
[13:55] <jrwren> but.. its like win3.1 again.. it just SHUTS DOWN! and you lose all your owrk.
[13:55] <jrwren> doesn't matter if you have unsaved changes. ITS GONE.
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> mine doesn't do that
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> mine has been running for a few months now
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: settings > update > advanced options > notify to schedule restart
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> yw
[13:57] <jrwren> that option is not available when youa re on insider fast track
[13:57] <jrwren> can you believe it?
[13:57] <jrwren> MSFT is just terrible at writing software.
[13:57] <cmaloney> da fuq?
[13:57] <jrwren> I'm glad they have come around on open source. That is great.
[13:58] <jrwren> now they are back to where they were in 1999 where they couldn't write usable software.
[14:10] <cmaloney> jrwren: Wonder if that's because the goals of the company are not lining up with the end users anymore?
[14:10] <jrwren> definitely.
[14:11] <jrwren> or... they are, and I"m an atypical user.
[14:11] <jrwren> I think by being in this channel I count as an atypical user.
[14:11] <jrwren> Still, I read headlines like, "MSFT adds more ads to start menu" and I feel like they are abusing their customers.
[14:13] <cmaloney> Agreed
[14:13] <cmaloney> Between the vendors and MSFT I don't think end users have a chance of using their machines 100% as they want to
[14:18] <jrwren> even apple is pissing me off lately. imma go back to all linux soon enough.
[14:19] <mrgoodcat> i'd go all linux if it would run on my mbp
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> i mean it runs. but networking and touchpad are broken
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> so that's kind of a deal breaker
[14:22] <cmaloney> Who needs networking anyway? :)
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> networking is for sales people
[14:47] <wolfger> oh, win 10 pissed me off last night. I opened Chrome and an ad popped up urging me to try Microsoft Edge
[14:48] <shakes808> Since I upgraded to W10, it has been really slow on everything. :(
[14:48] <wolfger> maybe I'll run my games successfully on wine on ubuntu on virtualbox on win10, and then just dump the win 10....
[14:51] <cmaloney> wine is OK got games if you don't like playing for long periods of time
[14:51] <cmaloney> I've had otherwise good games just up and poof on me
[14:52] <Scary_Guy> I just put never10 on my girlfriend's system
[14:52] <Scary_Guy> works pretty well, just disables it and gets rid of the install files
[14:52] <Scary_Guy> now I'm in update hell because she hasn't touched it in a LONG time apparently
[14:52] <cmaloney> update hell is common
[14:53] <cmaloney> there was one update that unfortunately makes WIndows take for fucking ever to update now
[14:53] <cmaloney> I can't get around it
[14:54] <Scary_Guy> I don't worry too much.  I can just go eat or netflix or something
[14:54] <cmaloney> I just wish it would eventually finish in my lifetime
[14:54] <jrwren> and then SXW folder fills your disk.
[14:55] <jrwren> i can't upgrade my mom from 8.1 to 10 because diskspace.
[14:55] <jrwren> she has like 5GB free, but it is not enough. lolz
[14:55] <Scary_Guy> install a second hard drive temporarily
[14:55] <cmaloney> can you remove files in that folder?
[14:55] <cmaloney> or will Windows shit the bed?
[14:55] <jrwren> can you do that?
[14:55] <jrwren> no, windows says "do not touch"
[14:56] <jrwren> web concurs that there is no safe workaround.
[14:56] <Scary_Guy> windows says a lot of things, windows is dumb
[14:56] <jrwren> indeed.
[14:56] <cmaloney> Nice.
[14:56] <cmaloney> It's like having a cache that isn't cache
[14:56] <Scary_Guy> oh good, the video driver works.  put in a new video card.  had to boot safe mode with networking to get the thing to start up
[14:57] <Scary_Guy> then download ATI's drivers because apparently MS gave a bluescreen
[14:58] <Scary_Guy> I'm going to try to switch her to ubuntu, maybe she won't notice
[14:58] <cmaloney> heh
[14:58] <shakes808> +1 Scary_Guy  HAHA
[15:01] <Scary_Guy> although this system is so old a raspberry pi could probably do most of this crap
[15:02] <Scary_Guy> sadly I'll probably end up building her a gaming system with windows because that's where all the app support is
[15:03] <jrwren> hrm... i wonder if I could move my mom to ubuntu. I just have to break her insane love of msoffice.
[15:03] <jrwren> brain damage can cause some strange affiliations and attachements.
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> put on libreoffice first and get her used to that
[15:03] <jrwren> wouldn't help.
[15:03] <jrwren> she says "does it have office" ALWAYS
[15:04] <jrwren> I guess i could say "yes" and say, "its libre office" lolz
[15:04] <jrwren> she would LOVE that.
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> say "yes it has an office"
[15:04] <cmaloney> jrwren: I've mentioned how the best and worst thing I ever did for my parents was introduce my mom to MS Publisher, right?
[15:06] <cmaloney> best: no more fretting about MS Word and it's dumb formatting
[15:06] <cmaloney> worst: she uses it for EVERYTHING
[15:06] <cmaloney> Tried to get her to use Scribus. It's not the same as publisher so she doesn't use it
[15:07] <Scary_Guy> I give up on old people who don't know anything about computers.  you try to help them and they just hate you
[15:08] <Scary_Guy> "where did my game go?" oh you mean that spyware POS with virus like tendencies?  Had to get rid of it
[15:08] <cmaloney> Well, she's fine in other regards. She raised me for one.
[15:08] <jrwren> or... let them be spied on.
[15:08] <Scary_Guy> right?  eventually I just gave up
[15:09] <_stink_> had my mom on ubuntu for a few years... the deal breaker wasn't office - it was web multimedia support
[15:09] <cmaloney> my Dad is cute in that regard. He tries so hard to do little grie gries to protect himself
[15:09] <cmaloney> like switching off the wireless when he's not using hte network.
[15:09] <cmaloney> _stink_: Ugh
[15:09] <Scary_Guy> better than nothing I guess
[15:09] <_stink_> cmaloney: hah, i love it
[15:09] <_stink_> saves power too!
[15:10] <Scary_Guy> my dad's system is the only windows system in the house.  Mom uses ubuntu on the media center and her laptop.  android on her phone
[15:10] <cmaloney> JoDee has to use a Windows version of Java because the software she's using for her Variable Stars teaching doesn't work under Ubuntu
[15:11] <jrwren> jabba is bad
[15:11] <wolfger> I moved a couple moms (not mine) to Ubuntu. So far as I know, that lasted until they got new computers. Also migrated a friend of mine and he loves it. Whenever he gets a PC upgrade he asks me to help him get Ubuntu back up and running and migrate his stuff over.
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> "Downloading 70 updates (0KB total, 0% complete)" has been displaying for 15 minutes
[15:11] <cmaloney> jrwren: Academia hasn't moved over yet.
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> I should get dad on Mint, it's got a more windows like interface
[15:12] <wolfger> Well, I do Kubuntu, not Ubuntu... that's more Windows-like
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> all he does is look up music tab sites and porn anyway
[15:13] <wolfger> ha
[15:13] <wolfger> when a computer dies to viruses and malware my answer is (yes I can help you, but it won't be Windows anymore.
[15:13] <jrwren> academia is a lot like big corp. use what you know because you know it and it works (kinda)
[15:14] <Scary_Guy> I rarely see anything die from a virus though.  it's usually easy to clean with an external system and then just pop back in
[15:14] <shakes808> HAHAHA
[15:14] <jrwren> for some definition of "easy"
[15:15] <Scary_Guy> oh fuck academia, my friend who does IT for Wayne State bitches about Blackboard all the time
[15:15] <jrwren> time is the most valuable resoure. if it takes longer than 30min, its easier to clear windows and install ubuntu ;]
[15:15] <_stink_> Scary_Guy: who's your friend at WSU?
[15:15] <_stink_> i used to work there
[15:15] <shakes808> I hear that academia is starting to adopt chrome os
[15:15] <cmaloney> jrwren: Heh
[15:15] <jrwren> I was about to say, aren't there WSU IT people here?
[15:15] <cmaloney> academia is like a large corporation
[15:15] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001 ?
[15:15] <_stink_> yep him too
[15:16] <cmaloney> It's not all homogenous.
[15:17] <Scary_Guy> anyone remember the trick to get windows updates to move the fuck along?  I used to be able to figure it out but it's been so long I don't remember.  maybe killing a stuck process will do it
[15:20] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: it's changed
[15:20] <cmaloney> I haven't found the vulcan nerve pinch to make this work
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> I need food and a nap, maybe then this will be done, bbl
[15:23] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/SGgrc/status/733672297572139008
[15:24] <cmaloney> Wonderful Microsoft slogan I just encountered:
[15:24] <cmaloney> “Windows 10: Embrace the inevitable.”
[15:24] <jrwren> lol
[15:26] <wolfger> Scary_Guy: for some definition of "die". The PC becomes unusably slow, and I just refuse to go through the effort of trying to clean it, fix registries and whatnot.... If the user lets the computer get into that state, they really shouldn't be running Windows :-p
[15:27] <wolfger> Linux is a good crud-resistant OS for people like that.
[15:31] <jcastro> Scary_Guy: you need to restart the windows update service
[15:33] <cmaloney> jcastro: Even that doesn't work
[15:33] <cmaloney> It's like it's on permanent "derp"
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> well sleeping helped
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> I just wish it wasn't all retarded, but it's windows so I don't expect much